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 GST 7%, included into property buying too?

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EddyLB
post May 21 2013, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(whitesabre @ May 21 2013, 04:36 PM)
GST is totally different from SST. GST is imposed on ALL LAYERS of goods and services, while SST is imposed on sales point. Once GST implemented, petrol will increase, then transportation will increase. Once it comes to consumers, it's no more 7*, but 7% on increasing balance on every layer.

Say a fisherman catches fish. He needs petrol, which has 7% on it. He catches and sells to middle man, charges anoda 7% on, say RM100*7%. Then comes to market, sells to those market fish sellers, anoda 7% gone. Don't forget about petrol to transport. Then they transport to fish market, another 7%. Lastly to us, ANOTHER 7%. If u do the maths, it's more than 6x of 7%. Haha
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Bro, GST does not work "layer on layer". It tax only once at the output point only Ie. the ultimate consumer gets to pay GST.

Those GST at various input points before the final consumer consumes it are all claimable from the Customs. In your example of fisherman, all those middle man, supermarket and everyone in between, although they pay GST, but they can claim back from the Customs. Hence there is zero cost effect on supplier, manufacturer and business, so they have no reason to hike price. It is only the eventual consumer who pay GST to the Customs.

You got to study how GST works before firing away lah laugh.gif

BTW, I think essential food like fish, and petrol are zero-rated, so no GST is charged


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post May 21 2013, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ May 21 2013, 05:02 PM)
I pity those who really listen to DDD camp in the "property up or down" thread. Look at what happens if they listen to DDD camp. Everybody else still wanna listen to them? I dont consider myself upupup camp or down down down camp. I was and still am being realistic. Anyway, there will still gonna be reasonably priced props. I am sure of it. Just dont expect top notch with the lesser money being paid for it
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Too bad those tok down the market hav bot enuf to pocket handsome profit. Onli 47% blif in ddd imho. Luckily stil hav 53% listen to xxx. my guess onli.
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post May 21 2013, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 21 2013, 08:42 PM)

BTW, I think essential food like fish, and petrol are zero-rated, so no GST is charged
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petroleum fuels shld be standard rate and not zero rated.
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post May 21 2013, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ May 21 2013, 09:48 PM)
petroleum fuels shld be standard rate and not zero rated.
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I audited kmn act b4 i think gas. petrol is already in bahan api tax rate. so should be zero.
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post May 21 2013, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(Hello_kitty 89 @ May 21 2013, 09:46 AM)
In the end, ppl that chosen to wait to buy property ended up to lost even more. Malaysia oh Malaysia
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Our mia or Malaysia institute of taxation really take boleh pakai. they should come out and explain gst to public. but so far no one articler.

See we have people like kitty take advantages.

Developer only indirectly bill Gst on uncontrollable building materials. how many times need accountant like me to tell u?
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post May 21 2013, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 21 2013, 08:52 PM)
I audited kmn act b4 i think gas. petrol is already in bahan api tax rate. so should be zero.
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You may refer to excise duty which is currently suspended as it is in subsidy mode due to high crude prices. GST is a different tax regime that is multi stage in the production and supply chain.
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post May 21 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ May 21 2013, 09:08 PM)
You may refer to excise duty which is currently suspended as it is in subsidy mode due to high crude prices. GST is a different tax regime that is multi stage in the production and supply chain.
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I always have difficulties to determine which goods and services are GST taxable and which are not. Do you have link which itemise it ?
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ May 21 2013, 10:08 PM)
You may refer to excise duty which is currently suspended as it is in subsidy mode due to high crude prices. GST is a different tax regime that is multi stage in the production and supply chain.
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Althoug. i retired already. but i am jv bahan api buz now. so i think i am right.
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post May 21 2013, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 21 2013, 09:22 PM)
I always have difficulties to determine which goods and services are GST taxable and which are not. Do you have link which itemise it ?
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You cld refer to the GST guides in gst.customs.gov.my. O
less than 20 guides currently in the GST portal and eventually will be around 80guides for different schemes and industries.
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post May 21 2013, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 21 2013, 09:32 PM)
Althoug. i retired already. but i am jv bahan api buz now. so i think i am right.
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You may mixed up excise sales tax and GST...time will tell and confirm if fuels for local use is standard rate or zero rated.
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QUOTE(The Jedi @ May 21 2013, 11:23 PM)
You cld refer to the GST guides in gst.customs.gov.my. O
less than 20 guides currently in the GST portal and eventually will be around 80guides for different schemes and industries.
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It pointless because the gst tax exemption for goods have not finalise yet.

In normal circumstance essential item rice, vege is not gst-ed.

Car already got sales tax if got gst somemore the price will be too expensive and it would hurt local car dealer, so it depends how the government want to implement it.

But really if insurance also need to paid gst I will mad.gif , cause only income- poor people need to buy insurance, why tax the poor. doh.gif
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post May 21 2013, 10:35 PM

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Existing sales tax(10%) and service tax(6%) will be discontinued when GST is introduced. So sales tax for cars will be gone and replaced by GST of lower rate. So car price shld be lower in GST environment.
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post May 21 2013, 10:42 PM

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[quote=The Jedi,May 21 2013, 11:25 PM]
You may mixed up excise sales tax and GST...time will tell and confirm if fuels for local use is standard rate or zero rated.
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Agree time will tell.

If standard rate apply how will industry claim back from it output? Remember own consumption apply as well.

Deduct own use is one way. but it will be messy.

That also why i say it will be zero.
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post May 21 2013, 10:43 PM

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Even if not charge 7% at every level, cost of living will still go up.
The fisherman, the middle man, the fish monger, and chef each have to pay more for goods that they and family use personally (motor, car, appliances, medicine, daily necessities, etc., because of GST) in their daily lives. So each will add cost to the fish indirectly and the end user has to pay more on top of the proposed GST. Does that make sense?
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post May 21 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(The Jedi @ May 21 2013, 11:35 PM)
Existing sales tax(10%) and service tax(6%) will be discontinued when GST is introduced. So sales tax for cars will be gone and replaced by GST of lower rate. So car price shld be lower in GST environment.
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Don't forget other tax like carbon tax could be added.
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post May 21 2013, 10:51 PM

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[quote=tikaram,May 21 2013, 10:42 PM]
[quote=The Jedi,May 21 2013, 11:25 PM]
You may mixed up excise sales tax and GST...time will tell and confirm if fuels for local use is standard rate or zero rated.
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Agree time will tell.

If standard rate apply how will industry claim back from it output? Remember own consumption apply as well.

Deduct own use is one way. but it will be messy.

That also why i say it will be zero.
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Industry just a collecting agent in GST world. Output tax will be collected and offset against GST input tax. Own consumption of fuels is not a taxable supplies and GST is not accounted.

Noted majority still has a incomplete perception and understanding about GST here and this will take time for the public to understand. In developed countries, the public education will take years and best to implement GST when economy is fluorishing and political is stable... unfortunately these two key factors are lacking in bolehland now

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post May 21 2013, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ May 21 2013, 10:45 PM)
Don't forget other tax like carbon tax could be added.
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Carbon tax is not applicable in Msia... Still long long way to go and even many OECD countries also yet to apply this tax
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post May 21 2013, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(tigana @ May 21 2013, 10:43 PM)
Even if not charge 7% at every level, cost of living will still go up.
The fisherman, the middle man, the fish monger, and chef each have to pay more for goods that they and family use personally (motor, car, appliances,  medicine, daily necessities, etc., because of GST) in their daily lives. So each will add cost to the fish indirectly and the end user has to pay more on top of the proposed GST. Does that make sense?
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Your understanding of GST is flawed. GST is incurred at each stage of value chain and it is pass through tax and in general not expenses or cost item to the business. The final end stage of value chain, the end customer, is liable to pay the GST. This is the fundamental concept of GST and it has been apply in 150 countries. In Asia, only MSIA, HK and Brunei yet to implement GST.
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post May 21 2013, 10:59 PM

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The govt projects that they will increase annual revenue by RM27billion via GST. That means on average, every man, woman and child in this country contribute almost RM1000 each per year. Of course some contribute more, but this is on average. Is this a reasonable estimate?
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post May 21 2013, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(tigana @ May 21 2013, 10:59 PM)
The govt projects that they will increase annual revenue by RM27billion via GST. That means on average, every man, woman and child in this country contribute almost RM1000 each per year. Of course some contribute more, but this is on average. Is this a reasonable estimate?
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Minister made a mistake here... GST at 7% collected shld b 27b and not additional. Current SST collected abt 17b. To ease the burden of end consumers especially the poor, govt shld reduce salary tax and corporate tax plus use some of the collected to fund BR1M to help the targeted poor that lives below the poverty threshold

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