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EddyLB
post May 22 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 22 2013, 10:01 PM)
No reason?

Without GST, previously with no GST, start with Rm100, then sell at Rm120,
now with 4% GST, final price become RM124.80, there is 4.80 hike in price already, why it is no reason?

Also there is considerable paper work need to be done and hire personnel to do tax computation, as a business may not deal with 1 item only. A product that may need 10 items to make up for it, so need to take in 10 GST paid previously, kind of tedious job.
So it means company may need to hire more personnel to do the job for GST, or increase the the workload of office admin, so potential increase of cost, another reason to hike price.

If gov managed to raise its revenue from GST, means that someone in between or consumer to pay for it already.
Money won't pop up on its own, if gov managed to raise 10 billion revenue from GST, then someone need to pay the 10 billion, you do not need sophisticated math to do the counting.
Either corporate profit become less (company absorb the GST, and price remain the same), or consumer need to pay more for it. (eg. 120, become 124.80)

Company profit less or some may even no profit or loss, another reason to hike price.

Consumer pay more for it, then has less money left for others, demand wages hike from employer (very typical and norm).
Wages hike, more cost to employer, another reason for company to hike price to compensate.
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Sorry, the "no reason" is referred to by the stupid minister. Should have put in quote

I have 4 business and they are GST ready. Do you think I will miss out this once in a lifetime opportunity not to hike price ? It is too perfect a reason to increase my selling price and my customers are too busy accepting prices of everything is increase drool.gif
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post May 22 2013, 11:11 PM

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GST is going to make people who earn millions and pay zero tax pay the GST when they use their money to buy luxury goods, luxury cars, fine dining, holidays etc.
Some of these would include the BBB people, people who play the sharemarket, profiting from illegal activities (drugs, black $$$), businessman who 'cook' their books and many more.
Currently only honest poor people who work for bosses pay tax.

EddyLB
post May 22 2013, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(zettygal @ May 22 2013, 11:11 PM)
GST is going to make people who earn millions and pay zero tax pay the GST when they use their money to buy luxury goods, luxury cars, fine dining, holidays etc.
Some of these would include the BBB people, people who play the sharemarket, profiting from illegal activities (drugs, black $$$), businessman who 'cook' their books and many more.
Currently only honest poor people who work for bosses pay tax.
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Car's current sales tax = 10%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich people save 6%

Fine dining current service tax = 6%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich people save 2%

Many raw material used in manufacturing proses current sales tax = 10%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich businessmen save cost 6%

So, rich people actually benefit from GST if the GST rate is maintain at 4%. It is a sad world isn't it ?
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post May 23 2013, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ May 22 2013, 11:29 PM)
Car's current sales tax = 10%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich people save 6%

Fine dining current service tax = 6%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich people save 2%

Many raw material used in manufacturing proses current sales tax = 10%. GST proposed = 4%. Rich businessmen save cost 6%

So, rich people actually benefit from GST if the GST rate is maintain at 4%. It is a sad world isn't it ?
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Bros, you have a very good knowledge on GST.
Sadly acknowledged that the world isn't fair.
GST is a classic example that the rich will become richer whereas the poor will become poorer.
I mean rich are those who have very high income and they are mostly enterpreneurs.

BTW,personally feel that it can't eliminate smuggling activities (which some people alleged that GST can eliminate smuggling activities).
e.g. Smuggling liquors.

The liquors don't pay input tax as the liquors aren't declared in the custom.
Then the non-taxed liquors are sold to the consumers. The smugglers won't issue any invoices for these liquors and the consumers normally won't request for these invoices (since they know these are illegal liquors or they are also the end users). In this way, the custom just simply can't trace these GST from these smuggling liquors.

Appreciate if you can comment any loopholes for the above transactions on smuggling activities.

This post has been edited by Denis: May 23 2013, 08:59 AM
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post May 27 2013, 02:50 PM

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It's very difficult to say as GST is yet to be implemented,

if it is implemented, I don't think we have to pay GST for property as we've already paid STAMP duty upon signing the Documents
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post May 27 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(ProperTYcoon @ May 27 2013, 02:50 PM)
It's very difficult to say as GST is yet to be implemented,

if it is implemented, I don't think we have to pay GST for property as we've already paid STAMP duty upon signing the Documents
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Dude, totally different issues.
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post May 27 2013, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Denis @ May 23 2013, 08:52 AM)
Bros, you have a very good knowledge on GST.
Sadly acknowledged that the world isn't fair.
GST is a classic example that the rich will become richer whereas the poor will become poorer.
I mean rich are those who have very high income and they are mostly enterpreneurs.

BTW,personally feel that it can't eliminate smuggling activities (which some people alleged that GST can eliminate smuggling activities).
e.g. Smuggling liquors.

The liquors don't pay input tax as the liquors aren't declared in the custom.
Then the non-taxed liquors are sold to the consumers. The smugglers won't issue any invoices  for these liquors and the consumers normally won't request for these invoices (since they know these are illegal liquors or they are also the end users). In this way, the custom just simply can't trace these  GST from these smuggling liquors.

Appreciate if you can comment any loopholes for the above transactions on smuggling activities.
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Sorry bro, don't know much about smuggling activities laugh.gif
simpleguyme
post Jun 3 2013, 11:27 PM

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Renovation cost will be +++ after got GST....
lichiebye
post Jun 5 2013, 12:52 AM

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blood sucked dried law tht benefit who? the citizen?
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post Jun 5 2013, 02:06 AM

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QUOTE(lichiebye @ Jun 5 2013, 12:52 AM)
blood sucked dried law tht benefit who? the citizen?
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Slaughtering citizen is more like it. Huhuhu
lichiebye
post Jun 5 2013, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 5 2013, 02:06 AM)
Slaughtering citizen is more like it. Huhuhu
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exactly!!!
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post Jun 13 2013, 01:12 PM

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Most likely, the residential properties will be exempted from GST like what most countries would do.
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post Jun 13 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jun 13 2013, 01:12 PM)
Most likely, the residential properties will be exempted from GST like what most countries would do.
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residential properties & agriculture land, essential items and basic necessities is exempted.
study more on gst and make some quick money during the transition period (pre-gst & post gst).

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post Jun 13 2013, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Jun 13 2013, 01:34 PM)
residential properties & agriculture land, essential items and basic necessities is exempted.
study more on gst and make some quick money during the transition period (pre-gst & post gst).
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Yeaa... thumbup.gif

I studied GST more than ten years ago while I was in an Australian program.
lichiebye
post Jul 8 2013, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Jun 13 2013, 01:12 PM)
Most likely, the residential properties will be exempted from GST like what most countries would do.
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u know la dis country... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(swordfish911 @ May 20 2013, 11:12 AM)
will this GST 7% is to be implement into property buying? if it does, would be like i need to pay 7% from the property price and etc?
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so that 5% discount for early birds becomes moot? laugh.gif doh.gif dry.gif
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post Jul 8 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 8 2013, 10:14 AM)
so that 5% discount for early birds becomes moot?  laugh.gif  doh.gif dry.gif
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GST is part of Malaysia ETP action plan to curb the ever rising national debts which has exceeded the threshold of 55% of country's annual GDP. It has to be done as many Malaysian are earning low to medium incomes that prevented the conventional "progressive tax" to work effectively, hence causing insufficient taxes to be collected to finances the entire government expenditure.

Malaysia has initiated ETP, which is driven by PEMANDU, headed by Dato' Sri Idris Jala, former CEO of MAS Airline, to overcome country worst nightmare, which is facing bankruptcy in a not too distant future.

Malaysia has a approximately 28 million people and it is estimated that more than 40% of these population are below 25 years old, 5% are above 55 years old and nothing more than 4% is jobless. Majority of these people do not pay taxes. When the progressive tax failed miserably, Government turns to these people in the above mentioned categories for solutions.

Despite living without "active" income in Malaysia, the only way the Government is able to make gain from these people is by introducing the "blanket tax", which is also known as GST.

Besides introducing GST in Malaysia ETP, Government is also reducing subsidies periodically from the year 2010 till the end of 2014 to as to promotes savings.
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By reducing subsidies to these goods and facitilities, it will also promotes the rise in good and services price tags.

Good luck Malaysia!

This post has been edited by public_mutual: Jul 8 2013, 11:38 AM
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post Jul 8 2013, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(public_mutual @ Jul 8 2013, 11:35 AM)
GST is part of Malaysia ETP action plan to curb the ever rising national debts which has exceeded the threshold of 55% of country's annual GDP. It has to be done as many Malaysian are earning low to medium incomes that prevented the conventional "progressive tax" to work effectively, hence causing insufficient taxes to be collected to finances the entire government expenditure.

Malaysia has initiated ETP, which is driven by PEMANDU, headed by Dato' Sri Idris Jala, former CEO of MAS Airline, to overcome country worst nightmare, which is facing bankruptcy in a not too distant future.

Malaysia has a approximately 28 million people and it is estimated that more than 40% of these population are below 25 years old, 5% are above 55 years old and nothing more than 4% is jobless. Majority of these people do not pay taxes. When the progressive tax failed miserably, Government turns to these people in the above mentioned categories for solutions.

Despite living without "active" income in Malaysia, the only way the Government is able to make gain from these people is by introducing the "blanket tax", which is also known as GST.

Besides introducing GST in Malaysia ETP, Government is also reducing subsidies periodically from the year 2010 till the end of 2014 to as to promotes savings.
Attached Image

By reducing subsidies to these goods and facitilities, it will also promotes the rise in good and services price tags.

Good luck Malaysia!
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Sigh....its really case state our country is in shakehead.gif

"11% of the Gov's earnings come from 83% of household debt" BFM. I guess that isn't enough notworthy.gif

I'm not surprised Malaysia is facing virtual bankruptcy from the way certain people spend, I hear our 1Malaysia Tank is even more expensive than the M1 Abrams rclxm9.gif

IINM countries that implement GST also provide financial and healthcare safety nets like in UK, else we'll end up like Thailand with their VAT then the lower denominators will suffer an endless cycle or hardcore poor. thumbup.gif

Idris Jala? The guy that ran MAS into the ground? rclxms.gif
So now CEO's that bankrupt companies are promoted to bankrupt the country? rclxms.gif

While the better governments will find ways to earn more money by getting it from foreigners/foreign countries ours seems to only know how to get from their own people. Its like a drunkard abusive father whom doesn't want to work but milks money by forcing his wife and daughters to be prostitutes and collect their earnings. lust.gif

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