i felt that..
World now days are kindda unfair. We spent rm100k and 3-5yrs to study for a degree in a private Uni/overseas juz to graduate with a tiny 1.5-1.7k salary(plus depend on u hv exp or not..if not..ur salary will be less then 1.5k). In the Reliastic world now, the standart of our living are now revolving and we must update ourselves to keep up and it's tough. Imagine my friend graduate with an advance Diploma with a 1k pay... and another..graduate with melboure degree..get pay by 1.2k..i was thinking..Wtf??so low..


by getting our..degree..we might be the age in 22-24 yrs old..
with tis tiny little salary..are u satified??..
wise..u had did so many hardwork for getting ur degree..

not to offend to anyone here..
me myself..currently working now..and at the same time still getting my (diploma Cert)
but from wat i had seen..some of my friends.degree.holder..salary even lower than me ..
i was curios..isnt degree holder pay was fixed?somehow?
or it depend on the company?

ya hard life
summore everything seems so exspensive now
petrol,food, groceries

during interview, the company offer you the job and offer you the salary. if you are not intrested with that kind of job, or with that amount of salary, you are free to reject the offer and go to other company who pays higher salary.

imo, one's salary is based on these few points;

1) what diploma/degree you are holding
2) where you graduated from
3) how good your grades are

however, i am not suprised that some get paid RM1000 even they have experience. i am not sure why is it this low though.

this is the damn problem that has been discussed way too many times

if you can't blardy well contribute to the company, even with masters or phd you can't get a job.

having a degree doesn't mean that you can start off with high salary.
its the employer market now... so dont choose your job...

get one and work your way up.....

some company would like to look at ur attitude.... instead of ur qualification... that's wat i heard from some IT companies managers...

but one thing is for sure... for big companies like sony or citibank.... higher qualification higher pay....

one example... last time my fren went to work as Credit card sales.... my fren with diploma only... basic is 1.5k... then the degree holders with 1.8k...

so... this is the real world la dude~~~

This post has been edited by RoxyMunky: Apr 21 2006, 08:48 AM

at some places, degree holder get higher pay and at some places experienced worker get higher pay.

depends on your luck lar
after grad (degree, second upper) i took a 6 month holidays, well consider as holiday since i felt like a lazy bum and wanted a rest after 10+ years of total study.

so when my mother could not stand me sitting around anymore forced me to look for a job and so i did. jobstreet and jobsdb the usual suspects
i was called up for several interviews some from big companies some from smaller ones.
in the small companies, the interview did not reach the point of talking about salary i was scratched
in the big companies, i was told the amount that i would be paid and they were going to give me 2k+
in my mind of course i would think that since small companies also rejected me already why would a big company hire me? very naive thinking since im just a fresh grad and just stepping into the working world

in the end i got into a big company and is getting 2k+ (very good pay IMHO for a freshie)
after entering here i heard that there are even higher pays from some other companies close to 3k

so it really depends on your luck and how you did in the interview, the paper that you got from years of study might not matter at all since in some cases it can be bought

i believe i convinced my current boss that im someone he wants in his team and is willing to endure what comes our way.

sorry for the long story telling

Yeap, too many grads in the country ain't good. Some good grads, mostly bad grads. But the employer doesn't care much. What they want is CHEAP grads. Quantity, no quality.

The questions will be "Are you resourceful enough to land you on a big fat paycheck job?" and of course "How well can you sell yourself?".

Mourning on tiny/low/unfair salaries bla bla bla will not get you anywhere. It's time for you to think.

Sell yourself abroad....go look for a job elsewhere and i mean another country. at least u get paid for what you are.
In any country above 3rd world, they have a minimum salary threshold. So, u get paid what u are worth. From the trends and culture, we will only be applying this in the next couple of years.

EDIT: I have known about this since during college days, decided that in order to get a good job with good salary...i must leave this country to work. And i am. it's a blessing!

This post has been edited by WildChai: Apr 21 2006, 09:22 AM

the normal question in the interview," Please explain to us why we should hire you".

Most people give the same bullsh*t response. Teamplayer lar, work hard lar, willing to learn lar, an asset because of traits lar, can make the company move forward lar....bla bla bla.

I really don't know why they even bother with this question anymore. so saturated. it's not like we are applying for a management position.

living in another country is not so easy
u need to pay tax...for instance msia if u come and work here, you will be deducted 28% per month from your pay.

And then theres the staying here policy and such. If your contract finish, u have to go back to where you came from and after 6 months come n work here again if your original contract was not renewed and u plan to work in another company here.



Hmm come to think of it, lets say your starting pay was 2k, how much increment do you ask when you are about to jump ship to another company? what sum did u ask when they asked you "how much is your expected salary"???

I aggree with u. ur edu qualification doesn't necessarily lands you a higher pay (except Intel which only hires first class students).
Wat most companys wants is ur knowedge and ur contributions to the company.

A degree will only secure u a job regardless of the pay.

This is just my view and experience on lookng for a job

fresh grad or not, i tink salary wise would depend on the company, position tht u applied for. say if u applied for a position that is lowest in the corporate ladder in a big mnc company, pls dont expect them to pay high salary.

I'm getting an international contract....which seeing myself going from country to country to work. I have no tax whatsoever.....yet. until they decide to put my arse in a single location permanently.

My brother is working in the UAE and he's not been taxed. Maybe it's an annual thing.

that's common sense aint it

Intel not really first class
if u got lubang, even 3rd class can enter provided you are good and offcourse the test is more harder.

anyway, i think malaysia only got this tax i guess.


im thinking of going some where and get a PR status. i hate to come back to this shite hole

thread starter, which field do u mean?

Aye! Aye! i hear ya...that's why i'm so glad to leave here next month. Might be difficult at first to leave family, gf and frens behind. Even my current company CEO told me not to come back here. he's from canada.

just want to ask, how do u guys get job from overseas? i am interested..if we apply from teh internet, is it chances to get interview? how they going to interview? through phone, or we have to go there? normally what will overseas interviews ask?

From my recent experience...they called me asking me some general questions about whether i know what the job entails, how much my current salary, what job i'm doing etc.

He sent someone here to interview me in person and brought along all the necessary documents (contract, letter for the embassy etc). If all goes well, sign contract, prepare visa, off i go.

Usually they will initiate all the interviews, they will do it through the phone or if they have a office locally...you might be interviewed by local peeps.

I got mine through online.....sent a letter stating how, why and my initiave to work abroad for the company.

wildchai.. mind to tell what type of job u r doing?

hahaha...it's kinda odd really....i'm a major in Com. science. working in a high profile company.
Thought of going into different industry...so i tried oil/gas. apply here and there....finally hit something. going into wireline engineering next month in the states.

No tax? Or you meant your employer will be reimbursing you for the other countries' tax payment?

Most countries have non-tax-resident rates and usually it's higher than tax-resident rates for income tax and you will get taxed as long as you have done something commercial while in their territory. Or do you plan to work in those countries on a tourist visa?

i think he is going to middle east, normally working at middle east no need to pay tax to tht govenment.
I will go there after few years... maybe

wildchai, you are a pretty lucky dude... congrats man.

yah those question really suck!! but no idea interview is a formal process . somehow , it have those book provides answers. but I was thinking why they asked me to show them "SPM"!!!

waaa
SPM result is also used while applying job also
better get g00d result so can get g00d job

Thanx...not lucky....just blessed!


@wyyew
yeah....show SPM??
for what? there is a hard-earned first class or 2nd-upper degree if front of them....and they want to see SPM cert??

As i know, they want to see SPM cert is partly because of your consistency to excel and maintain your standard. but still, doesn't a degree trump an SPM cert?

This post has been edited by WildChai: Apr 22 2006, 07:44 PM

SPM????..if they really drop while SPM some how manage to get 1st class in degree...how would it be...hahahahahaa

why not ?
I know many ppl can make it, depends on how to make it.
some of them who fail to get a SPM cert can even can finish thier master or even phD.

Fresh grad salary? subjective . Degree holders for a start roughly 1200-1.5 .
if u r lucky, some MNC provides Rm 3500 for a fresh grad. Good luck )

the best job of all
job-less

Somehow I felt that fresh grads are like slaves. Or should I say like beggars. Company pay u how much u take, if u don't take.. fine. Go find another company.

At first sure really lose out. Everything also price increased but salary rarely increase. Dog eat dog country.

u study ur ass off for 5 xtra years in private colelge and uni overseas bla bla bla
u come back.. as freshie u get 1.3-1.5k
ppl who just finish SPM.. no experiance required..minimum spm get 1.6k.. just as a event coordinator.. or advertising trainee.. lol wtf.. better i work as that and no need to study

Its not wrong to think this way... But it is better to think further ahead I guess. If the person is an SPM leaver working as an event coordinator, yes, he/she earns more than a fresh grad. But in terms of career opportunity, a person with an academic qualification can go further in the future and if the person strive for it, he/she can end up in a very senior position where the pay is a high. On the other hand, this person who works as event co., will always be an event co. or in some similar positions in that area. But off coz, it doesnt mean you are wrong. It is so true that nowadays, academic qualification doesnt mean everything. Street smart is the important thing that carries a person into success.

Fresh graduates nowadays should be thankful or lucky to get a 4 digit pay as starters. Dont worry about the amount as you are still in probation period. If you can perform well in your job, trust me your pay will be increased after that, maybe double or triple. So, my advice - work hard, prove yourselves and you'll see the results

BTW, for those who think the RM1-2k salary is a bit too low for a fresh graduate, just to inform you all that my first pay was only RM230. It was too low until the HR staff there didnt know whether its necessary to deduct any amount for my EPF or not. I kept my eyes closed and continue on working and until now my salary is roughly 30 times more that I what I got at the first place

that's good. U got that amount with the same company?

Maybe he's about 50++ now? Coz as my parents told me,last time when they're young they earned few hundreds also..hahah

Hi there, I want to ask how much do I worth with these 2 certs:
1. Degree in Information Systems Engineering (Campbell University) with CGPA 3.3
2. Advanced Diploma in Information Systems Engineering (TAR College), CGPA 3.4

Currently I'm applying for a position as a programmer in a company and they offer me RM1500, is this offer ok? Cause I heard from my friend that normally a fresh graduate should get the pay around RM1.8k. And now I got friends that already started working has the salary starting from RM1.8k.

Thanks

1,500? Take the job. Since you're just fresh, don't choose. 1,500 is a good deal for a fresh and 1,800 is a better deal but hard to come by. I personally think that the industry should pay Degree holders higher. Now, 1,500 is common but it's best if they increase it to 1,800. The living cost had gone up and salary of 1,500 hardly enough if you're getting a car and study loan to settle... Study for Degree is not cheap and I think Degree holders now are underpaid.

In an employers eyes, I think that they feel that Degree holders are everywhere now days and if you reject 1,500 that they offer to you, they can find other that will accept. Face it, Degree holders are common now.

Hi, thanks for your reply. Then if i take it and after work for a few months and they still not increase the salary, and I also found companies that offer higher salary, should I job hop?

Thanks.

And did you get any offer from the companies that offer higher salary? Of course a better pay is best. I've seen a Degree in Civil getting 2k fresh grad. Beware though... if you job hop too often, eg. 3 - 6months once, that won't look good in your Resume.

What's your company probation period? Some companies give increament based on preformance so I've seen people increase salary one year after joining. And only rm100.

If this is you first job and you get a better offer from other company, go ahead and make the jump. I myself have jumped twice in a year coz of better offer...

Hi, so far I didnt get any offer from other companies yet. Oh I see. I've asked about their probation period and they only told me that it is based on my own performance and also the company's growth income.

?? "company's growth income"?? They should have a probation period and should confirm you once the probation period ends and review your salary. Did they state any probation period in your offer letter or have you asked them before you accept the job?

Hi, the company I went for interview is a new company and they just told me if the company earns more and my performance is good then I will get higher salary. Thats what they told me. And they didn't mention any probation period. And so far they haven't give me any form of formal offer letter. They just told me about this when I asked them during the interview. And I still need to attend for a 3rd interview 1+ week later.

What i understand is your Degree will help employee to get thier first job..
After that, most of them look at your performance and experience over qualification...

As in my prograss of looking for the first job... i also rejected quite a number of job as i think the salary is low...

Don't try to look at the salary as your priority... focus more on the prospect and opportunity the company may provide....

talking about why comapny want ur spm cert..i was speaking to a former higher management person from ibm,he said the reason why there are too many umeployed graduates with qualificatin.years ago,only few ppl ot degree nowadays baling batu sure kena someone got cert....and the quality the uni and coll produce nowadays are bad.they just want students to pass so can get $ . spm cannot really cheat.and if spm bad u can expect latest qualification results almost the same....

Being a fresh grad, choose a company that develops the skills and strength. Is okay to be choosy at the beginning, target and you will join the best company.
What are the unique business value in the organisations.

my 1st job i got 1800...but it was bad experince as i was after $.the culture of the company didnt really click....as most r chinese grads working away from their home and really have so much time in their hands...they stay back go karoka...then i move on to multinational company with supposinly great prospect...pay was 1600 and i work weekeends and sometimes odd hours...after almost a year i got the most improved staff award.....i felt really empty inside...my social life down and getting to another position is hard.u have to compete with over 2000ppl...so i moved on to education traning company.now earning 2k after almost 2 years of working

I'm agreed with you. It's better you learn some useful skills during your early path of your career.

Oh I see. Thanks for your advice. But what I worry is that the lower salary might make me job hop after a while working in that company and that might not look good in my resume.

shinichi usually multinational company is great place to grow as they give training and places to go....but u need to do something extra to stand out among thousands of staff....and if u plan to do so..ask ppl who perviously working there.what they like n dont like about the company before u consider..

not really la...i am a 2nd class upper deg holder and in Intel right now

Regarding the main query on how much a fresh grad will be paid, I believe it should be in the region of RM1500-RM2000, depending on what deg you are holding and what org you are joining...however, I won't make my starting salary the main point in joining an organisation, but more towards the status of the org(how will it grow?where will the org be in 10 yrs time?will it provide me sufficient training to improve myself?etc)and to find out if I will be happy working in that line...i believe if you join a strong organisation, your starting salary will be quite good as well as a bright future

Hi, but the company which I went for interview is a newly establish company and their IT department will only start their operation in mid of may. Thats why my interview is taking so long. And because its a new company, I don't know how the future will be if I'm with the company.