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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V130, Bull rally after GE

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SKY 1809
post May 2 2013, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 2 2013, 08:30 AM)
Boon3,

Noted and thanks.

Sorry for my rockie's attempt at this analysis.

I thought EPS is only available every 3 months and not like price which is available daily, and thus I did not include it in the comparison (on 2 Jan and 30 Apr).

If I read it correctly, last EPS for UMW is lower than the past 3 EPS. Last EPS was in Feb. Maybe in Mar-Apr, it was doing better and thus the better price. Will know in the next quarterly report.

Yes, some companies have very good price - EPS correlations (e.g. Nestle) while for others (e.g. MAS) the relationship is like brownian movement/3rd law of thermodynamic (i.e., random).

Cheerio.
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EPS is quite tricky and misleading in land based co like UEM due to large land sales ( one off aka lumpy items ) and same results might not be repeating in future.

They can offload the lands to a joint venture co and hence profit is recognized instantly , as compared to the slow method if they build their own properties in stages for sales.KInda take 2 to years to recognize the profits , much longer than the one off quick method.

Care has to taken to analyse such companies.

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: May 2 2013, 11:35 AM
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post May 2 2013, 11:25 AM

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STAR fall until mother also kenot recognise doh.gif

Fundamentally sound stock but run as more like a BN propaganda tool nowadays supported by attractive divvy yield in excess of 6%, can keep, sifu sifu? sad.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 2 2013, 10:25 AM)
If you think is good, then why you don't consider buy more?  tongue.gif
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Got other better plans. blush.gif
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post May 2 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:25 AM)
STAR fall until mother also kenot recognise doh.gif

Fundamentally sound stock but run as more like a BN propaganda tool nowadays supported by attractive divvy yield in excess of 6%, can keep, sifu sifu? sad.gif
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I will not touch Star given by the upcoming political environment, the risk is just way too high and political link (MCA)

Why not wait a few days to make your decision? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:25 AM)
STAR fall until mother also kenot recognise doh.gif

Fundamentally sound stock but run as more like a BN propaganda tool nowadays supported by attractive divvy yield in excess of 6%, can keep, sifu sifu? sad.gif
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If Malaysiakini gets a licence to print news in Malaysia, probably Star advertising revenue marginalized . hmm.gif
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 2 2013, 11:32 AM)
I will not touch Star given by the upcoming political environment, the risk is just way too high and political link (MCA)

Why not wait a few days to make your decision? hmm.gif
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Not buy also buy already lo, now down 6%++ from my entry price. Keep for now lo, what to do. Hope that MCA will not destroy it like what happened to Utusan on which my holding company lost about 90% of its invested capital. MCA also want it to continually pay dividends to sustain party income, right? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:34 AM)
Not buy also buy already lo, now down 6%++ from my entry price. Keep for now lo, what to do. Hope that MCA will not destroy it like what happened to Utusan on which my holding company lost about 90% of its invested capital. MCA also want it to continually pay dividends to sustain party income, right? icon_question.gif
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Dividends come from future FCF . hmm.gif

MCA took a big loan to buy over Star under its direct control, hopefully not ending like ex Multi purpose Holdings .
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 2 2013, 11:40 AM)
Dividends come from future FCF . hmm.gif

MCA took a big loan to buy over Star under its direct control, hopefully not ending like ex  Multi purpose Holdings .
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Itu problem MCA, if they cannot service the loan, spin off STAR thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:42 AM)
Itu problem MCA, if they cannot service the loan, spin off STAR thumbup.gif
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How much u get back if they sell its machinery as scraps.

BTW as u say Utusan gives 90% discount. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:34 AM)
Not buy also buy already lo, now down 6%++ from my entry price. Keep for now lo, what to do. Hope that MCA will not destroy it like what happened to Utusan on which my holding company lost about 90% of its invested capital. MCA also want it to continually pay dividends to sustain party income, right? icon_question.gif
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Why choose Star while there are over 900 listed company and some with high dividend payout?

Going concern is a major risk for Star for this election, PR will definitely reform the media if they takeover Putrajaya, unless MCA sell off its stake to 3rd party

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 2 2013, 11:47 AM)
Why choose Star while there are over 900 listed company with high dividend payout?

Going concern is a major risk for Star for this election, PR will definitely reform the media if they takeover Putrajaya, unless MCA sell off its stake to 3rd party
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Media is a steady business ma...The Star happens to attract the biggest newspaper adex blush.gif

QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 2 2013, 11:47 AM)
How much u get back if they sell its machinery as scraps.
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MCA insolvent =/= STAR insolvent
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:49 AM)
sweat.gif

Media is a steady business ma...The Star happens to attract the biggest newspaper adex  blush.gif
MCA insolvent =/= STAR insolvent
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But the revenue remain stagnant for the past, isn't it? Even consumer companies like Nestle still enjoying a steady growth for the past

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 2 2013, 11:54 AM)
But the revenue remain stagnant for the past, isn't it? Even consumer companies like Nestle still enjoying a steady growth for the past
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Yea, that's the drawback.

STAR DY = 6%+
Revenue growth stagnant

NESTLE DY = 3%+
Revenue growth steady

See how it goes today sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 11:56 AM)
Yea, that's the drawback.

STAR DY = 6%+
Revenue growth stagnant

NESTLE DY = 3%+
Revenue growth steady

See how it goes today sweat.gif
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EPF is also selling Star hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 2 2013, 12:01 PM)
EPF is also selling  Star hmm.gif
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Yes, noticed that.

EPF kept selling, Pacific Mutual (subsidiary of OCBC Group) kept buying. Fund Manager buying on value?
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post May 2 2013, 12:03 PM

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I also monitoring STAR due to CIMB's analyst report.

however, i will only go in AFTER election IF BN wins. lol.

if BN loose, i will stay clear from Star cos it's obvious MCA uses STAR to talk about Vote DAP = Vote PAS. a bit irritating when they do this. Principally, i feel the advertisement concept is wrong. Not saying i support which party btw. lol
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I've got a question. If i've held MAS shares after the ex-date (i.e. up till now) how do I actually exercise the rights issue at 23cents? What are the procedures that I will need to follow?
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QUOTE(cadmus @ May 2 2013, 12:03 PM)
I also monitoring STAR due to CIMB's analyst report.

however, i will only go in AFTER election IF BN wins. lol.

if BN loose, i will stay clear from Star cos it's obvious MCA uses STAR to talk about Vote DAP = Vote PAS. a bit irritating when they do this. Principally, i feel the advertisement concept is wrong. Not saying i support which party btw. lol
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Adverts are placed by "outsiders", technically nothing wrong. But when they reject similar advert placements by Pakatan, that's wrong. That shows clear bias.
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ May 2 2013, 12:04 PM)
Adverts are placed by "outsiders", technically nothing wrong. But when they reject similar advert placements by Pakatan, that's wrong. That shows clear bias.
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Politicians come and go, leaving many ikan bilis to ride on to a stock, for good or for bad. yawn.gif


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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ May 2 2013, 11:16 AM)
EPS is quite tricky and misleading in land based co like UEM due to large land sales ( one off aka lumpy items  ) and same results might not  be repeating in future.

They can offload the lands to a joint venture co and hence profit is recognized instantly , as compared to the slow method if they build their own properties in stages for sales.KInda take 2 to years to recognize the profits , much longer than the one off quick  method.

Care has to taken to analyse such companies.
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Noted and thanks!

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