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 Proton Saga FLX 1.3 upgrade/modify, Improve performance & fuel consumption

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post Apr 9 2013, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Jonathan.J.Wolf @ Apr 9 2013, 03:09 PM)
Yeah I suppose to post at 'PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB' thread, but I figured out that club thread post/reply speed so fast I'll lost in the middle of the thread, and thanks for the reply. thumbup.gif

My purpose to upgrade is minor boost performance and improve FC.
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I personally don't think one can get extra power without sacrificing FC.
Forget about those filter, ACP, lighten this and that.

Plonk in Supercharger/Turb0, you'll get an instant power boost even at 0.3bar for like RM8k or so.
Strut bar? Unless you're driving till the limits of the Saga BLM FLX body roll till tires are screeching during corners, I doubt you need to add those.
Same goes for suspension. It's tuned enough for ordinary street driving consumer.

The rest are just aesthetic like others said. laugh.gif

Fuel... only Malaysian are pampered with Ron95 and Ron97 while other country in the world including US are using Ron85 as base.
Ron92 considered premium already.
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post Apr 9 2013, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Apr 9 2013, 05:00 PM)
oii, jgn gaduh kat thread orang la...adui  doh.gif


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Mana ada gaduh, share info aje ma wub.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 9 2013, 05:04 PM)
I personally don't think one can get extra power without sacrificing FC.
Forget about those filter, ACP, lighten this and that.

Plonk in Supercharger/Turb0, you'll get an instant power boost even at 0.3bar for like RM8k or so.
Strut bar? Unless you're driving till the limits of the Saga BLM FLX body roll till tires are screeching during corners, I doubt you need to add those.
Same goes for suspension. It's tuned enough for ordinary street driving consumer.

The rest are just aesthetic like others said.  laugh.gif

Fuel... only Malaysian are pampered with Ron95 and Ron97 while other country in the world including US are using Ron85 as base.
Ron92 considered premium already.
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 9 2013, 05:09 PM)
Mana ada gaduh, share info aje ma  wub.gif
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ya la ya la, share info.... grumble.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Apr 9 2013, 05:00 PM)
oii, jgn gaduh kat thread orang la...adui  doh.gif

btw if u wan to get UR get, Front, Rear, Fender (if u change to sport absorber), ARB should be enuff.. u wan more stiffer corner install Front lower arm.. or rear lower bar, u need to install to feel it which is needed~! all ppl got different taste~!

or u can get 3max front and rear bar also enuff already~!
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Currently I just know UR is the great stuff I can get at MY, not sure other brands lo.


QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 9 2013, 05:04 PM)
I personally don't think one can get extra power without sacrificing FC.
Forget about those filter, ACP, lighten this and that.

Plonk in Supercharger/Turb0, you'll get an instant power boost even at 0.3bar for like RM8k or so.
Strut bar? Unless you're driving till the limits of the Saga BLM FLX body roll till tires are screeching during corners, I doubt you need to add those.
Same goes for suspension. It's tuned enough for ordinary street driving consumer.

The rest are just aesthetic like others said.  laugh.gif

Fuel... only Malaysian are pampered with Ron95 and Ron97 while other country in the world including US are using Ron85 as base.
Ron92 considered premium already.
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My minor boost method is want more torque at lower rev or more acceleration, not sure about FC though, and I heard about that high flow exhaust system can improve FC not sure is true or not, that's why I need some advise from local guru opinion, I already read and search the club thread still can't found the best exhaust system for Saga FLX. wacko.gif

Well my driving style already had screeching when during cornering at some highways turn tongue.gif , that's I need high quality stuff like UR to handle the turn, even though the Saga already has awesome handling I still need some support.

This post has been edited by Jonathan.J.Wolf: Apr 9 2013, 05:56 PM
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post Apr 9 2013, 06:01 PM

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lol UR for torsion beam.

its like wearing bra for A cup girls

FUKKEN POINTLESS
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post Apr 9 2013, 06:53 PM

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pointless in doing all that stuff and wasting your money on a saga 1.3

get a better car if u want speed and efficiency, at least the 1.6 flx. well, it's too late for that, u already bought it.

or just change to a manual gb, instant boost in performance.
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post Apr 9 2013, 07:19 PM

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1.3 will always be a 1.3. No replacement for displacement. And turbocharging might help.

But consider the car platform. Is it worth it to mod for all these performance? I would rather mod a satria 1.3 because it can whack corners and tapau bigger cc cars during cornering.

But saga.... questionable. Torsion bar good for city driving. Not for aggressive drivers.

Any seasoned racer will tell you to upgrade the rubbers first. Then brakes. No point having 200hp while running on cap ayam tyres.
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 9 2013, 06:53 PM)
pointless in doing all that stuff and wasting your money on a saga 1.3

get a better car if u want speed and efficiency, at least the 1.6 flx.  well, it's too late for that, u already bought it.

or just change to a manual gb, instant boost in performance.
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I agree with you. Dunno why from that executive 1.3 model to 1.6SE just slighly on Rm7k different and most of them still prefer to 1.3L that's the future issue smile.gif
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post Apr 9 2013, 07:42 PM

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If you are an aggressive driver just MIVEC songsang (CK) it.

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post Apr 9 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Apr 9 2013, 06:53 PM)
pointless in doing all that stuff and wasting your money on a saga 1.3

get a better car if u want speed and efficiency, at least the 1.6 flx.  well, it's too late for that, u already bought it.

or just change to a manual gb, instant boost in performance.
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QUOTE(damone @ Apr 9 2013, 07:19 PM)
1.3 will always be a 1.3. No replacement for displacement. And turbocharging might help.

But consider the car platform. Is it worth it to mod for all these performance? I would rather mod a satria 1.3 because it can whack corners and tapau bigger cc cars during cornering.

But saga.... questionable. Torsion bar good for city driving. Not for aggressive drivers.

Any seasoned racer will tell you to upgrade the rubbers first. Then brakes. No point having 200hp while running on cap ayam tyres.
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QUOTE(kimsim @ Apr 9 2013, 07:23 PM)
I agree with you. Dunno why from that executive 1.3 model to 1.6SE just slighly on Rm7k different and most of them still prefer to 1.3L that's the future issue smile.gif
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I respectfully disagree. But first, yes, a 1.3l will be a 1.3l, if you are looking to squeeze a few more Nm or bhp it is kinda pointless as it will never be a 1.6l, no replacement for displacement.

I don't think the TS is going after a monster racer. From his list of mods, I surmise he is just looking to improve driveability, maybe some spirited short sprint whenever the opportunity arises. As for handling, you don't need a powerful car to throw your car around corners. Whats wrong with wanting a smoother, more eager ride to let off some steam on an empty stretch of road? If the TS wants to challenge larger cc cars with a 1.3 mill....well then too bad lah (Actually, I believe it can still challenge a 1.5l Dugong) .

As for the bit where torsion beam not for aggresive driving, look at the Fiesta ST and Megane RS, 'nuff said. Of course, the Saga is different, but it is not half bad even with stock suspensions.
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post Apr 9 2013, 10:32 PM

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If u're an aggressive driver. Y not upgrade the shocks to adjustable ? Recommend go ask Titan and quote 1 set for you. Plus their shocks are serviceable, means you can repair it if spoilt, no need replace entirely.link here. Your cornering will improve a lot compare to a full set of Ultra Racing bars only. Me recommend you if want put the ultra racing bar, put fender bar as well, it does make a difference.

If you want more acceleration, I rather go for lightened crank pulley and change higher degree camshaft ( you can get it from works engineering ).

I used to have K&N drop in air filter but I don't feel much different at all. I went open-pod and never look back since.

If you're running at 1.3L engine, your exhaust piping make sure no bigger than 1.6 inches diameter. If not your acceleration and fuel consumption gonna suck very badly because of reduced scavenging effect ( go google). And y still wanna keep that catalytic converter, Malaysia law does not restrict people from removing it ? I feel the car has more power after removing it although you'll get the heavy petrol smell once u remove it. Besides a clogged catalytic converter will give you CEL light when the engine is running.

My 2cents.

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QUOTE(k!nex @ Apr 9 2013, 10:32 PM)
If u're an aggressive driver. Y not upgrade the shocks to adjustable ? Recommend go ask Titan and quote 1 set for you. Plus their shocks are serviceable, means you can repair it if spoilt, no need replace entirely.link here. Your cornering will improve a lot compare to a full set of Ultra Racing bars only. Me recommend you if want put the ultra racing bar, put fender bar as well, it does make a difference.

If you want more acceleration, I rather go for lightened crank pulley and change higher degree camshaft ( you can get it from works engineering ).

I used to have K&N drop in air filter but I don't feel much different at all. I went open-pod and never look back since.

If you're running at 1.3L engine, your exhaust piping make sure no bigger than 1.6 inches diameter. If not your acceleration and fuel consumption gonna suck very badly because of reduced scavenging effect ( go google).  And y still wanna keep that catalytic converter, Malaysia law does not restrict people from removing it ? I feel the car has more power after removing it although you'll get the heavy petrol smell once u remove it. Besides a clogged catalytic converter will give you CEL light when the engine is running.

My 2cents.
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I didn't notice any difference from catalytic converter no no catalytic converter, only reason it is gone was the insane price of that thing (and me not knowing where to find cheaper parts back then...). Next time I need spare parts I'll check if I can find a new one for a good price... (back then I was quoted RM 7000 for the catalytic converter...).

It could screw up with the electronics AFAIK (there are a bunch of sensors), it doesn't improve performance, it poisons the environment and kills you and others (those exhaust fumes are bad!). Also, Malaysia may introduce a law. After all, they already support hybrid cars, why not introduce something to check the exhausts? Stay in a country that does have strict emission laws, the difference is huge. A much nicer place to be, to breathe in.

Bolt on a turbo, mess with the ECU, fine. But just leave the catalytic converter alone. The one standing behind you in a traffic jam will thank you for that.
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seb moneh bai a VIOS la yawn.gif GaGa mod here mod there in the end still GaGa blink.gif Or if yiu got no chois, ma get a TRD spoiler lor, atleast got the look of VIOS. Other than that, horse power instant +500bhp flex.gif

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Apr 9 2013, 11:26 PM)
seb moneh bai a VIOS la yawn.gif GaGa mod here mod there in the end still GaGa blink.gif Or if yiu got no chois, ma get a TRD spoiler lor, atleast got the look of VIOS. Other than that, horse power instant +500bhp flex.gif

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Even the reviewers for the Megane said that a torsion bar is still nowhere comparable to a multilink system.

See the comparison between a ek9 and an ep3. Nuff said.
I drove cars with torsion bars before and i have to be really careful around familiar corners ie. Taking it slow.
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QUOTE(damone @ Apr 10 2013, 12:25 AM)
Even the reviewers for the Megane said that a torsion bar is still nowhere comparable to a multilink system.

See the comparison between a ek9 and an ep3. Nuff said.
I drove cars with torsion bars before and i have to be really careful around familiar corners ie. Taking it slow.
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I never said torsion beam is comparable to multilink.

You said torsion beam is not for aggressive driving, I am just pointing out it can be, if set up nicely. But a properly setup multilink will of course be superior.

I've also driven rear multilink cars with rubbish handling, so there.
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 10 2013, 12:31 AM)
I never said torsion beam is comparable to multilink.

You said torsion beam is not for aggressive driving, I am just pointing out it can be, if set up nicely. But a properly setup multilink will of course be superior.

I've also driven rear multilink cars with rubbish handling, so there.
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Currently I had 2 cars, one is Sentra n16 using multi-link really felt the car not so stable as torsion beam on my sylphy now. Even my ex Livina also using torsion beam can feel the car handering much better on cornering.

Do you know why?
Torsion beam meant like added racing bar to tie together on both side.
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 9 2013, 04:06 PM)
Clearly, you did not get my point. Even if TS  do spend 8k on upgrades, it is still cheaper than buying another car. What new non-national car can you get for RM50k? If the TS bought a dugong and asking about the same upgrades, I'm sure you will show a very different attitude.

And I would love to see how you manage to arrive at the 10k price tag for all the things listed.
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true. but for 10k..i might go straight for bolt on turbo. even at low boost i bet it can easily reach 130hp. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(theanswer @ Apr 10 2013, 12:46 AM)
true. but for 10k..i might go straight for bolt on turbo. even at low boost i bet it can easily reach 130hp.  tongue.gif
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Well the argument is purely academic. If I have 10k to spend on performance, BOT will be a natural choice. Except before BOT you need to fork out for better brakes and suspensions lest you boost into longkang laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ Apr 10 2013, 12:31 AM)
I never said torsion beam is comparable to multilink.

You said torsion beam is not for aggressive driving, I am just pointing out it can be, if set up nicely. But a properly setup multilink will of course be superior.

I've also driven rear multilink cars with rubbish handling, so there.
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hehe from what i read..local media praised megane torsion beam as superior(ask paultan or hezeri from topgear). it's very hard to compare with other..unless they produced 2 types of megane one with tb, another one wth ML suspension. in fact even civic ep3 or fn series torsion beam is ot that bad.
kia optima/hyundai sonata use multilink..but never heard any good praise for their handling?
it's all about tuning.

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