Uh, reading back the previous posts it was you who brought the hospital up. Do you think it's lecturers who build hospitals? I don't think so la...

I didn't boast about BDS (AIMST). It's gonna be lower class anyhow....so sorry that i've missed that out...

No, I don't have anything against doctors. But from the students who enrol into medicine nowadays, it makes the profession look cheap. You must agree with me here. 130 students per intake. Particularly with the ones who enter via the foundation of science programme....

I'm not sure if PIDC, IMU, MAHSA offers foundation courses for their dental students...but AIMST definitely has one...

Yeah, probably it's an easy entry into medicine. BUT, like i've said long before the whole point of having a foundation/PRE-u is to prepare a school leaver for their university studies. Therefore, as long as one has got no problem in dealing with their degree programmes then the foundation/pre-u is considered as satisfactory.

Me, myself is also a foundation leaver and so far i do not find any problem in coping with the studies/curriculum. In fact, (This is not bragging, just to prove that foundation leavers is not THAT lousy.) i've gotten 5 distinctions for all the paper for year 1 including OSPE. AND, i've stpm/a-lvls leaver in my class too.

Probably the easy entry into medicine before was due to insufficient students intake as the programme was not recognised by MMC previously. But as the popularity increases, the school has now tighten the entry requirements. It's no longer like before as things are getting competitive these days. The present batch (Batch 14) has taken in more than half of top stpm and a levels scorer. Many are still on the waiting lists for next year's sept intake.

Yeah i understand. Same privelleges should be given to all students regarding where they're from. This i agreed with you. Anyways, it's really the university's call whether to continue their foundation. What i was saying was that the foundation programme wasn't that bad, though i know it is definitely of lesser quality if compared to internationally recognised pre-u programmes such as the stpm and a levels. We were even trying to suggest to the school in holding an interview before heading on to take in the students now as well. Hopefully it works.

Probably the entry to the medical programme do suck, i don't know. But hopefully they'll change the policy as we're gaining popularity now, as before the recognition people were doubting the quality of our medical education and therefore the school was at one time desperate to take in students to fill up the seats. Hopefully.

i am sounding like a stuck record (if the present generation knows what that is), but there has never been, and will never be, any local med school which did/does not receive mmc recognition by the time the 1st batch graduates......no matter how bad, or how much problem the med school is/has.......

Yup, no interview. I know how shocked you'll be while other university took their entrance interview so seriously. I was even doubting the attitude of my juniors from the latest batches, some are just not fit into be in the medical field. Anyway, these are definitely beyond our (the student's) control. We'll be writting in and hopefully the school does take our suggestion into consideration. But to abolish the foundation programme, this seems to an impossible thing to do. Probably a stricter entry requirements and interview shall be enforced.

And yeahh, i know how difficult it is when it comes to the hospitals in real life. I was hoping the take the usmle exams and do my residency in US, but it seems to be a very very tough idea. Probably for now i shall just hope that our graduated seniors are doing fine in the hospitals, at least things are not that bad after us the juniors have graduated and are working in the hospitals already. Haha. God bless.

Anyway hypermax, you're in your final year already? Or have you already graduated from MMMC?

looks like the 'indian syndrome' has descended upon msia.......actually it should be 'subcontinent syndrome'.....

every indian/parkistan/bangla medical student and junior doctor dreams of going to work and settle in the developed world........they will try all ways, sit for the plab, usmle (or ecfmg/vqe in the past), amc, whatever........

and of course these countries are very wary of the subcontinent people.....they have a tendency to stay on after visiting.......that is why there is NO visa on arrival in uk for them, unlike msian or singaporeans......

on the other hand, msians, sporeans, hongkies tend to do what they need to do, and then leave, return back to their own country.......for that reason, it was easier for them to get jobs compared to the subcontinent people........of course some stayed on, but that is more by chance/circumstances, rather than premeditated choice.........

looks like not any more.......not for msians anyway.....

understandably, these countries are wary of msians nowadays........uk is think of withdrawing the visa on arrival for msians.........

what happened to service to your people, and country.........??

private medical education destroyed that.......amongst other reasons, of course.......

sad......

p/s i should add that i am not criticising such decisions, if i were in your shoes now, i would certainly be thinking the same way.......how to abandon a sinking ship......

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...6831&sec=nation

obviously don't read newspapers.......

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Added on January 15, 2009, 11:25 pmread my caveat.......

fact remains, it's not service that motivates now, the attitude is mercenary.....

brain drain has been one of msia's major export since the 70's......but like i said, it was mostly circumstances, opportunities, that motivate migration.....now it very premeditated......

don't get defensive, i am not passing any value judgement, just making observations......

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Added on January 15, 2009, 11:33 pm

what would motivate you to go to say, hk, to work?

if you have offers for jobs and pr's from phillipines, hk and uk, which one would you choose?

admission policy......for non-malays, that is.......

it's in all the newsapers.......and tv news.....

misbehaviour of others will reflect on all citizens of the country.......you are branded together.......

scholars with bonds are public funded, and NOT private students........even if they study in for profit private unis..........

"........even if they study in for profit private unis.........."

Anything privatized has to run for profit. If not, it will run in loss and go bankrupt. Yippee deepee dodooo?! There are many private institutions in the world that produce the very best. May be if we look here, it could be MMU.

Well in any case they don't drink tax payer's cash and the employee's there do pay tax. Mind you, I think many Malaysians are currently concerned with what is happening at our public institutions with slumping quality and dropping off in global rankings. The staff there don't work on charity.

If at all, please let us know what makes private medical graduates any lesser or substandard to government graduates?

'what happened to service to your people, and country.........??

private medical education destroyed that.......amongst other reasons, of course.......'

do you all really need everything spelled out? no one is disputing the nep policies are responsible for many of the problems in the country.......including the messed up training of doctors......

He needed new reading glasses.

Things that destroy are:
1. Unfair treatment p*ssed people off
2. Moral and ethic are on downtrend with globalization and commercialization.
3. Expensive medical education requires some payback (not unless money grows on tress).

Simple, Lah! Professionals do migrate. Malaysians migrate to "Developed nations"
Those from third world (Myanmar, India, Pakistan, B-Desh, Indonesia etc) find Malaysia attractive.  javascript:emoticon(':P')

Malaysia is all said and done, a secular peaceful and beautiful place to be. javascript:emoticon(':clap:')

Later they may go over to S-pore, Brunei or Gulf where earning is even more.

It is not only, AIMST or MMMC...

Go through the past history of our Apex Uni - USM  javascript:emoticon(':help:')
In 70's it was run with the help of teachers from Indian subcontinent; only over time they have managed to get Malaysian majority in their teaching staff.

We truly live in a "Global village" and better that we accept it.
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http://www.kwongwah.com.my/news/2008/11/05/6.html
http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/89142

Sure it wasn't on the front page with a red colored headline and full page pictures, but I do have to echo the sentiments of some people here: you guys seemingly don't read papers in any language. Period.

eh........not quite.......

registration to practice in a country depends on the primary qualification.........not the subsequent postgraduate qualifications........

and in uk, the mrcp is an ENTRANCE qualification, ie you are ready to enter into advanced specialist training........at the current moment, to qualify for consultant grade jobs, you need the cst........

Conditional Registration

Allows a foreign-trained doctor to work only in a designated healthcare establishment, under the supervision of a fully registered medical practitioner.

Eligibility requirements:

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      holds a basic# medical degree from a university/ medical school listed in the Schedule of the Medical Registration Act; or

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      has a postgraduate or exit specialist qualification recognised by the Specialists Accreditation Board; and

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      has been selected for employment in a Singapore hospital/ institution/ medical practice approved by the Medical Council; and

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      holds a certificate of experience as proof of satisfactory completion of housemanship; and

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      is currently in active clinical practice; and

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      has passed such national licensing examination as required in the country where the basic medical degree was conferred; and

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      has been certified to be in good standing by the overseas regulatory body or medical council equivalent.

Now who is being defensive? Now who is not admitting their mistakes?

I don't read every single article, but I certainly know something called search.

the visa on arrival for Malaysians was a leftover from the Commonwealth era, where the ties with the UK were still strong. But very early on (in the early 70's) India lost that "privilege", for the simple reason there were just too many Indian nationals who went there to study/work/holiday, and never left. Now the same "syndrome" is affecting Malaysians, regardless of race, creed and travel history.

They will be even stricter on Malaysian students going to the UK to study, probably starting the end of a time where Malaysian's looked to the UK for further  studies. So stricter tourist regulations -> stricter student visa requirements -> stricter working rules -> what's the point really, going to the UK to study?

But I will let this matter rest. We have gone too far from the original title of the thread.

again, not quite.........never once did i refer to singapore, but was a general comment in responce to a misguided belief.....context of my comments here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry18524675

QUOTE(hypermax @ Jul 11 2008, 08:07 PM)
Wow, is this the attitude of a Melbourbe U student?? Wow, something went wrong in the selection of students man. I thought students in Melbourne U are mostly humble and hardworking bunch, instead of egoistic idiot like you (i personally know a few people from medical course in melbourne U, mostly your seniors, that is if you are really from melbourne U wink.gif )

Well, say all you want about Manipal, UM or other local Us. In the end, all of us will be doctors. And once i obtained MRCP or other specialist degree, I'll be recognized worldwide.

Btw, entering medical course in local Us for non-bumi is even harder than entering melbourne U.<removed>

limeuu: eh........not quite.......

registration to practice in a country depends on the primary qualification.........not the subsequent postgraduate qualifications........

and in uk, the mrcp is an ENTRANCE qualification, ie you are ready to enter into advanced specialist training........at the current moment, to qualify for consultant grade jobs, you need the cst........

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Added on January 17, 2009, 10:58 pmin any case, if you think you can get full registration in spore with an mrcp, you are greatly mistaken........read the condition carefully.....'exit specialist qualification'....from the uk, you will need the CST......and you get a provisional registration, based on having securing a job as a trainee........

look in the mirror first......

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Added on January 17, 2009, 11:40 pm

where did i do that?

I am from Manipal.
So even after i have obtained MRCP, i can't work in Singapore?

i thought so........you are from manipal.......

not in the recognised list, which means you cannot register with the smc and practice....

however, there are special provisions for doctors who are world leaders in their area, where special consideration can be given.

that is the problem, many medical students (and prospective students and their parents) are not aware of the very strict conditions for registration to practice, particularly in the 1st world countries.

the reason is pretty simple........unlike these 1st world countries which chooses their med students very carefully, most 3rd world countries (including msia) have a defective med education system.....and hence there is no consistency in the quality and the teaching in many med schools.......

there is a back door though in some 1st world countries......you can sit for qualifying exams, and if you prove yourself sufficiently competent, you can then be registered......this is the case in usa and oz.....

i didn't 'claim', it's a fact, extensively reported in the media, both mainstream and alternative.......