Read the info on the SMC web site carefully before attempting to reply here. After working under supervision for a period of time (a year for S'pore citizens and 2 years for non-citizens), you can proceed to obtain full registration.

Clearly, you have made a mistake. I asked you in the other thread whether i can work in S'pore after obtaining MRCP. Your answer was "No", which is incorrect based on the info of the SMC web site. Having realised your mistake, you are now trying to defend yourself by saying you were only making comments in general. How brilliant.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:10 PM

There are only 2 pathways for foreign trained doctors (inclusive of those with recognized primary qualifications) to work in s'pore for a long run. Provisional and conditional registration. Provisional registration is for fresh grads with recognized primary qualifications who have yet to complete housemansip. For those who wanna work either as MO or specialist in Singapore, they have to obtain conditional registration and work under supervision for a specific period of time, before proceeding to obtain full registration.

I am not really keen on working in S'pore, as i have heard from many that life in kinda stressful there as expectation is high. However, S'pore is a good place for specialist/sub-specialist training.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:29 PM

Instead of playing with words, why not start answering the question posted to you?

And i have already explained what i was trying to say, now it's your turn.

Read my post carefully before posting reply. I mentioned "inclusive of those with recognized primary qualifications". These 2 pathways are the only options for foreign trained doctors wishing to practice in S'pore for the long run. I was stating in "general"

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:25 PM

Isn't that you?

Tell me then, who started the "Indian Syndrome" and "private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country"?

We were only asking for explanation for your above statements, and you refuse to provide one.

Yeah, and i think we are all clear that who started the argument.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:33 PM

You mentioned "Indian Syndrome" has descended upon Msians, and you used the example of jr doctors from the subcontinent. But what's does it have to do with our discussion on AMC? Also, you used the UK visa as example, when clearly Msian doctors are obviously not the ones responsible for such decision.

Also, you mentioned that "private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country". This is a ridiculous statement, of which you yourself cannot find enough evidence to support.

From your posts, you are clearly someone who holds grudges against private medical education, and will attack it whenever you have a chance, even though you dun have enough evidence to back your claim.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:44 PM

What's wrong with planning early? It's better to have a goal than not to have any.

Your statements are contradicting:

And now you are being critical towards those who plan early?

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Added on January 18, 2009, 1:53 pmYou should know that UK and Aus are meritocracy based, unlike in msia.

If non-bumis like us wanna specialize, the best way is to obtain foreign postgrad degree, rather than waiting forever for local mater programme.

Perhaps we should describe another syndrome, "Limeuu Syndrome".

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 01:58 PM

So do you blame it on the gov or the people?

Nowadays, discrimination is getting worse. You should know who's responsible.

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Added on January 18, 2009, 2:04 pmStill hold grudges against me due to the pharmacy thread eh??

most non-bumi doctors leave msia for better training opportunities, not "pre-mediated" as limeuu had stated. i have stated all these in my other posts.

Perhaps you need a reading glasses too.

Explain this to me:
"private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country"

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 02:07 PM

As i have stated earlier, for non-bumi doctors, it is not pre-mediated, a.k.a Asian Syndrome, but due to the lack of training opportunities.

Therefore, Asian Syndrome means "pre-mediated" to graduate from country A and work in country B.

Back your claim that msian doctors have contracted the so called Asian Syndrome.

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Added on January 18, 2009, 2:13 pmHow is "private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country" a fact? Enlighten me pls.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 02:13 PM

I have mentioned in my posts, Singapore has better specialist training opportunities than in Msia. Many of us only know that when we entered medical schools locally. We were naive to believe that post grad training in Msia is based on meritocracy.

Nope, i dun need one. How about you?

Since you implied that you have better vision and understanding, why dun you start explaining this statement:
"private medical education destroys the spirit of service to your people and your country"

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 02:19 PM

Well since you implied that you have better vision, therefore i was asking for your "help" in understanding that statement, as i assume that better vision helps in better understanding.

1. Msian doctors haven't contracted the Asian Syndrome, as training/practising overseas is not pre-mediated as limeuu has claimed.

2. I acknowledge the existence of Asian syndrome, but it is not applicable to msian doctors for reasons i have stated in my other posts.

3. I am not debating the cause of the syndrome, i was merely showing you that Asian Syndrome is not applicable to msian doctors.

Let's define Asian Syndrome again:
It is a syndrome of which one graduated from country A with intention to work in country B, even if there are plenty of opportunities in country A.

Situation for Msian doctors:
Graduate locally with intention to work overseas for better post-grad training opportunities, as there is racial discrimination in Malaysia.

Hope you understand.

Let me ask you this, if a pharmacist graduated from Msia, but with intention of working in the UK due to the fact that Malaysia doesn't award dispensing right to the pharmacists, does he/she have Asian Syndrome?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 02:57 PM

You should focus more on your studies, but at the same time plan for your future. Dun listen to these people. Since you are already in this field, it's appropriate to collect more info about post graduation pathway, so that you will be prepared to achieve your goal.

It is, however, better if you can return to msia and contribute to your birth place after obtaining sufficient training. But if you dun for various reasons, no one can blame you for your decision.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 18 2009, 03:02 PM

How about surgical post grad? Only local master programme is recognized here.
In addition, as you have rightly mentioned, MRCP and MRCOG are not specialist degree, but merely entrance exams to specialist training programme in the UK. Therefore, one has to complete Certification in Completion of the Specialist Training (CCST) before being gazetted as a consultant. Therefore, Singapore, is a better place for specialist and sub-specialist training after MRCP, as the standard is much higher.

Besides the UK pathway, many also tend to apply for US and Auz, which requires the candidates to receive training there.

1. 30-50% of masters places are taken by non-malays? Evidence pls.

2. It's still possible for non-bumis to secure a place in Master programme in malaysia, just that by the time you manage to do so, you will be in your mid or late 30s, or even early 40s. Why do you think so many non-bumis opt for MRCP in the first place?

3. If you are capable of obtaining MRCP, you are definitely on par, if not better than those with local master degree. Why do you think MRCP is recognized in all over the world but local master programme is only recognized in Msia? Your capability is recognized by the degrees you have to certain extent, at least in terms of recognition by various health authorities overseas. Also, the focus of our debate is the eligibility to work there, not the possibility of securing a job offer. I hope you know how to differentiate the 2.

4. It's a well known fact that local master programme of popular disciplines like Orthopaedics, surgery and O&G are largely reserved for bumi doctors. Most non-bumi doctors will get family med, psychiatry and public health. In addition, sub-specialty training is better in overseas.


Actually, Asian syndrome is just a term we coined up ourselves. I have my own definition so do you. The fact is that many are leaving the country one way or another. If you truly have the "serve your people and your country spirit", you will return to msia even though you receive your undergrad or postgrad training in UK. I think we all know why so many people are reluctant to come back to Msia after obtaining degrees overseas.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 20 2009, 05:30 PM

Which means that with MCRP(UK), one is eligible as long as he secures a job offer via conditional offer, which means working in Singapore is possible.

However, with unrecognized primary degree and post grad degree, one has no way to work in Singapore.

Mind you, doctors with recognized primary qualifications, who have completed housemanship abroad (not in S'pore), have to register with SMC via conditional registration, before proceed to obtain full registration. Therefore, the pathways for both recognized postgrad and recognized primary degrees are essentially the same.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 20 2009, 06:05 PM

I think it's mandatory for foreign trained doctors to work under supervision first. Looks at the criteria for Conditional registration:


If conditional registration is strictly for those with recognized post grad but unrecognized primary qualifications, why do they include the criterion in bold above? If a doctor with recognized primary degree can apply for full registration directly, who would want to apply for conditional offer?

BTW, i have no intention on working in Singapore, as i have stated many times. I am just here to provide info for those who wanna work in S'pore.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 20 2009, 06:26 PM

Seriously, the "whatever" makes you sound Kiasu.
I think they still do, as more UK grad Malaysian doctors wanna work in Aus rather than Singapore. Also, a Singapore based doctor once told me many rich doctors are migrating from Singapore. Apparently many Singaporeans do not like their mother land.

Mostly Malaysian and Singaporean. Yes, Singapore is short of docs right now.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Jan 22 2009, 01:29 PM

Medicine is never a quick and good way to garner wealth. It's tiring and stressful like hell. I dun get why so many parents want their children to be doctors.

That's the reason why i said AIMST's foundation should be scraped.