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post Apr 3 2013, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 3 2013, 05:18 PM)

I don't take any green powders because it's processed. Trying to stick to the rule that if the food wasn't around 10,000 years ago, don't eat it. I sacrifice this rule when it comes to nutritional supplements because food today is not rich with nutrients. Organic, free-range and traditional farm stuff are better but can be pricey. But double the cost for 40x nutrients content, it is a steal.

My reference was a Paul Check book called "How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy." There are references in there to various books and articles.


Well, I guess sometimes you gotta weigh the pros and cons. I believe the pros of this outweigh the cons much much more. Of course ideally organic whole foods would be the clear cut solution. But we can't really pay that much or eat that much either. That's when new tech comes in that's able to compress everything together at a reasonable price. And you can apply the usual screening criteria too, e.g. products that utilize very little processing, cold pressed methods, all-natural, USDA organic, USP cert, etc.


Bit tough with aircon being the highest EMF generator. I just earth myself regularly and that works well. Small dose is my earthing plate at work. At home, it's barefoot in the garden with sunlight so early morning or late evening with palms facing the sun. Feet gets tingly.  cool2.gif

I was referring to something like this: http://www.safespaceprotection.com/product...afespace_i.aspx
Not sure if it is effective though, gotta research more into the topic.


I do some medication but not so routine. Often when I'm exercising, stretching or at the beach. Still working at my breathing and being still. Very hard to be still so that tells you how much garbage is in my mind to work through. Then again, anything good is never quick and easy.

Try small tranches instead of one long session. Long sessions typically elicit quite a fair bit of agitation in beginners. Small tranches like, when you just finished your shower, just stay still and meditate for 2 minutes. When you've just parked your car, when you've closed your office door, etc. Collectively throughout the day, say if you done it 10 times, you would have probably got "into the zone" for about a total of 10 minutes out of the 20 minutes work done, as compared to lots of internal chatter and trying to settle down during a straight 20 minute meditation session. By the way this is just one of the many tricks to help beginners, and different approaches work for different people.


Beach is still 20-30 min drive for me and that's at breakneck speed. Seasalt are the minerals i.e. ions to soak up into the body. It's helping with the various inflammation that I have. Swimming in the morning is tough because it's a long drive and there are sharks in those waters. Also, jellyfish season until May. The rock stacking is also a great activity. Both help me with the buildup of heatiness I get from exercising hard.

Since getting tot he beach is tough in KL, see if there is a nearby national park with clean running water. That's the next best thing : clean running water.


Well that would be weekend retreats out of city centre to some waterfall or hotspring.

I followed Dr. Mercola's rule : No fruits 2 hours post workout. But the 50g daily limit sounds about right although 50g is tiny. I don't take too much legumes but depends. Trying to balance out the uric acid. Not that I have gout but just for balance.

Oh the no fruits 2 hours post workout rule. Refined sugar too I guess. That did not come from Mercola, that was from another guy, but Mercola adapted it. Something to do with keeping the HGH levels high post-workout. Yeap I practice this too. Used to consume sugar post-workout (with a protein supp) as it's touted to help protein absorption post-workout. But decided that I'd prefer the HGH benefits, not for the growth or anabolism, but rather the general health effects. However if I'm not mistaken it's applicable to high intensity shorter duration workouts only.

I'm looking for a vegetable spiral cutter to try and get some pasta like veggie from carrots, cucumber,etc. To try out to be a raw food foodie. smile.gif See if that satisfies the pasta cravings.


There's probably some kind of organic, gluten free pasta in the market.  tongue.gif

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does consuming yoghurt prevents acne??
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does consuming  yoghurt prevents acne??
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I don't have acne but I do have pimples. My face cleared up a lot when I take yogurt and probiotics. Effect only last for 3 months. Then I have to rotate or do something different. I can't rotate the yogurt because currently, I'm making the culture from one brand only. The probiotic, I rotate. When I rotate I may occasionally take 2 different brands at the same time.

I've never tried those probiotic cosmestics though. Never sure whether there are enough probiotics in there. Plus, I subscribe to the theory that the body is strong enough to make whatever I need to fight off bacteria or to have good skin/health provided I give it good raw materials.

Some people can't take casein though so they may not take milk or any dairy products.

There is a good website on probiotics on children. http://spectrummuminmalaysia.com/ She doesn't take yogurt but probiotic tablets for her and her kids with good results.
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Well, I guess sometimes you gotta weigh the pros and cons. I believe the pros of this outweigh the cons much much more. Of course ideally organic whole foods would be the clear cut solution. But we can't really pay that much or eat that much either. That's when new tech comes in that's able to compress everything together at a reasonable price. And you can apply the usual screening criteria too, e.g. products that utilize very little processing, cold pressed methods, all-natural, USDA organic, USP cert, etc.

Myremi : True on pros and cons. I used to take a protein shake post workout but eventually stopped because of taste and it was starting to make my body tense (a sign that as my body rid itself of process food, once it goes back in, I have problems). As for organic food, I don't like the $$$ prices so I try to go for locally grown food with limited/no pesticide. I roughly know where to buy clean veggies as I spend a lot of time chatting up supermarket workers to find out the source of the veggies or meat (free-range chicken). As for new tech and all the labellings, I follow Marion Nestle's website. She blogs daily except weekends and is always updated on what's happening in US as well as the rest of the world.

I was referring to something like this: http://www.safespaceprotection.com/product...afespace_i.aspx
Not sure if it is effective though, gotta research more into the topic.

Myremi : The EMF protection will run out over time. That's what my coach mention and I know she does a lot more research than I do. She's my goto encyclopaedia for all things physical, mental, emotional. Best information about EMF was the Earthing book I mentioned earlier. Well, it's in the Earthing website. The book describes pretty well how Earthing works and the various research done on it.

Try small tranches instead of one long session. Long sessions typically elicit quite a fair bit of agitation in beginners. Small tranches like, when you just finished your shower, just stay still and meditate for 2 minutes. When you've just parked your car, when you've closed your office door, etc. Collectively throughout the day, say if you done it 10 times, you would have probably got "into the zone" for about a total of 10 minutes out of the 20 minutes work done, as compared to lots of internal chatter and trying to settle down during a straight 20 minute meditation session. By the way this is just one of the many tricks to help beginners, and different approaches work for different people

Myremi : Thanks!

Well that would be weekend retreats out of city centre to some waterfall or hotspring.

Myremi : That would work. Doesn't have to be full-body immersion either although that would help alot. If you're into meditation, would you also be into chakras? I only know a bit based on the Western version. When I go earthing, there are parts of me that will tingle for long time, not unpleasant but enough to know something is happening.

Oh the no fruits 2 hours post workout rule. Refined sugar too I guess. That did not come from Mercola, that was from another guy, but Mercola adapted it. Something to do with keeping the HGH levels high post-workout. Yeap I practice this too. Used to consume sugar post-workout (with a protein supp) as it's touted to help protein absorption post-workout. But decided that I'd prefer the HGH benefits, not for the growth or anabolism, but rather the general health effects. However if I'm not mistaken it's applicable to high intensity shorter duration workouts only.

Myremi : Hmm...will have to have another look at that Mercola post. He writes a lot with a lot of salesman jargon so shifting through all the data is a pain. At the moment, I'm doing a lot of HIIT workouts but in gym class format. A combination of bootcamp and metcon training, similar to the Insanity type of workouts. Usually 10 in a class with 5 of us with HRM, including the lead instructor.

There's probably some kind of organic, gluten free pasta in the market

Myremi : Or I just use meehoon or tanghoon. Good enough! Hahah!

I think we probably digress out of the yogurt topic for a bit now. unsure.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 4 2013, 08:51 AM)
Well, I guess sometimes you gotta weigh the pros and cons. I believe the pros of this outweigh the cons much much more. Of course ideally organic whole foods would be the clear cut solution. But we can't really pay that much or eat that much either. That's when new tech comes in that's able to compress everything together at a reasonable price. And you can apply the usual screening criteria too, e.g. products that utilize very little processing, cold pressed methods, all-natural, USDA organic, USP cert, etc.

Myremi : True on pros and cons. I used to take a protein shake post workout but eventually stopped because of taste and it was starting to make my body tense (a sign that as my body rid itself of process food, once it goes back in, I have problems). As for organic food, I don't like the $$$ prices so I try to go for locally grown food with limited/no pesticide. I roughly know where to buy clean veggies as I spend a lot of time chatting up supermarket workers to find out the source of the veggies or meat (free-range chicken). As for new tech and all the labellings, I follow Marion Nestle's website. She blogs daily except weekends and is always updated on what's happening in US as well as the rest of the world.

I was referring to something like this: http://www.safespaceprotection.com/product...afespace_i.aspx
Not sure if it is effective though, gotta research more into the topic.

Myremi : The EMF protection will run out over time. That's what my coach mention and I know she does a lot more research than I do. She's my goto encyclopaedia for all things physical, mental, emotional. Best information about EMF was the Earthing book I mentioned earlier. Well, it's in the Earthing website. The book describes pretty well how Earthing works and the various research done on it.

Try small tranches instead of one long session. Long sessions typically elicit quite a fair bit of agitation in beginners. Small tranches like, when you just finished your shower, just stay still and meditate for 2 minutes. When you've just parked your car, when you've closed your office door, etc. Collectively throughout the day, say if you done it 10 times, you would have probably got "into the zone" for about a total of 10 minutes out of the 20 minutes work done, as compared to lots of internal chatter and trying to settle down during a straight 20 minute meditation session. By the way this is just one of the many tricks to help beginners, and different approaches work for different people

Myremi : Thanks!

Well that would be weekend retreats out of city centre to some waterfall or hotspring.

Myremi : That would work. Doesn't have to be full-body immersion either although that would help alot. If you're into meditation, would you also be into chakras? I only know a bit based on the Western version. When I go earthing, there are parts of me that will tingle for long time, not unpleasant but enough to know something is happening.

Oh the no fruits 2 hours post workout rule. Refined sugar too I guess. That did not come from Mercola, that was from another guy, but Mercola adapted it. Something to do with keeping the HGH levels high post-workout. Yeap I practice this too. Used to consume sugar post-workout (with a protein supp) as it's touted to help protein absorption post-workout. But decided that I'd prefer the HGH benefits, not for the growth or anabolism, but rather the general health effects. However if I'm not mistaken it's applicable to high intensity shorter duration workouts only.

Myremi : Hmm...will have to have another look at that Mercola post. He writes a lot with a lot of salesman jargon so shifting through all the data is a pain. At the moment, I'm doing a lot of HIIT workouts but in gym class format. A combination of bootcamp and metcon training, similar to the Insanity type of workouts. Usually 10 in a class with 5 of us with HRM, including the lead instructor.

There's probably some kind of organic, gluten free pasta in the market

Myremi : Or I just use meehoon or tanghoon. Good enough! Hahah!

I think we probably digress out of the yogurt topic for a bit now. unsure.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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I guess it's somewhat related to yoghurt education. Basically NATURAL yoghurt is a good and healthy, but doesn't have the touted therapeutic benefits as marketers would like to portray. nod.gif

About processed food, I do agree that certain processed food are bad, but not all. For example green powders, I would be hard pressed to even say that one that has its ingredients all organically sourced, freeze dried, no unnatural additives, no fillers, practices full disclosure, and conducts independent testing on its own products, and not sticky about publishing its Certificate of Analysis whenever requested, would be any more detrimental than eating a good cut of pasture raised grass fed beef. The other alternative to that would be to source a few types of organic vegetables from the nearby store and juice them all up everyday. And you gotta buy them quite regularly, and in large amounts to meet your micro-nutrient requirements. It's about finding the right balance between employing both sides of the coin for wellness, i.e. science and nature.

By the way since you're in Sabah, that brings up the topic of Avocados. I'm a big fan of Avocados due to its good amounts of fats and carbs. However its quite tough to find a local farm in West Malaysia. It's quite difficult to find cheap ones here. Any tips?

As for earthing, thanks for the intro. Will look into it. Yes there're various types and approaches to meditation. I would recommend the Buddhist approach, Vipassana meditation for your regular practice. If you're a so called staunch Christian and feel that it will deteriorate your faith then perhaps you can compromise and try the Centering Prayer by Thomas Keating or Thomas Merton. I have tried chakra meditation too, and its strongly derives from Hindu culture. In very basic terms the body have lots and lots of energy centres, but there are 7 main chakras that have been identified to be the strongest centres. It is said that imbalance in each one of this chakra leads to various disorders, ranging from hyperactivity, to lethargy, to emotional disorders, sicknesses, etc. Therefore chakra meditation, guided by a qualified trainer, will help you to neutralise either a blocked, or over-active chakra. I have a short one-page intro write up on this meditation and can send it to you if you want.

And I went for a similar session the other day, called Reiki healing, where a trained practitioner helps you energise and or neutralise your energy centres on whichever part of your body/aura that he feels is needed. I was seated there, trying to meditate while the practitioner did what she had to do on me. At one point during meditation I felt some intense pressure on my forehead, somewhat like a slight headache in the forehead. This area is usually known as the third eye chakra. I must have been doing my meditation wrongly this time as I was perhaps too focused on this area due to the stress levels before I commenced, and I should have focused on the heart chakra area which I usually do.

After the session I caught up with the practitioner and asked if there were anything she felt while healing me.

She said there was nothing much, the energy in the rest of my body was fine, except that she felt that there was a lot of activity in my third eye area, which isn't so desirable, and I should ground myself more. Coincidence? icon_idea.gif Anyway, grounding can be just as simple as placing your bare hands and feet on the ground, or touching more trees and plants. I also heard of people who have learnt how the art of harnessing energy, whenever they visit certain holy temples they look for the oldest tree around and touch it and meditate under it. Perhaps earthing is applicable here too but I have yet to read up on it.

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Hmmm.... earthing looks new to me... never heard of it... only heard the device with electric thingy and the leg has to step on it and let electric flow your whole body for 45 minutes.... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(bannanna @ Apr 4 2013, 03:54 PM)
Would really love to learn how to make it
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Try this youtube on how home yoghurt making... http://youtu.be/eNkRNN4zGA0 smile.gif
The traditional ingredient one I think youtube should have also... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(bannanna @ Apr 4 2013, 03:54 PM)
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I'll dig out the pictures from my Facebook. It's there on how to do it step-by-step.
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Some link about ProBiotics... http://hbcprotocols.com/probiotic/beneficialstrains.html

Acidophilus Our Second Immune System... http://www.immunesupport.com/93sum009.htm

喝酸奶的五大绝妙好处... http://health.sohu.com/20070514/n249973816.shtml

Prebiotics, Probiotics, and Fiber: What does it All Mean for My Health?... http://ecolocalizer.com/2011/10/31/prebiot...-for-my-health/

The Benefits of Yogurt... http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art...rticlekey=79753

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Apr 4 2013, 04:36 PM)

By the way since you're in Sabah, that brings up the topic of Avocados. I'm a big fan of Avocados due to its good amounts of fats and carbs. However its quite tough to find a local farm in West Malaysia. It's quite difficult to find cheap ones here. Any tips?

Myremi : Look for other sources of good fat.  biggrin.gif That's what I do here. I like avocados too but I can't eat too much else tummy upset. My granny planted the avocado seed in the garden and it's 4 years now. Waiting for another 1-5 years to see if the fruits will come out. It takes about 5-10 years. I know my auntie in Miri, Sarawak, had her tree fruiting after 10 years. There are avocados growing in Sabah but I've not seen them in the open market. Probably because the market priec is better over

As for earthing, thanks for the intro. Will look into it. Yes there're various types and approaches to meditation. I would recommend the Buddhist approach, Vipassana meditation for your regular practice. If you're a so called staunch Christian and feel that it will deteriorate your faith then perhaps you can compromise and try the Centering Prayer by Thomas Keating or Thomas Merton. I have tried chakra meditation too, and its strongly derives from Hindu culture. In very basic terms the body have lots and lots of energy centres, but there are 7 main chakras that have been identified to be the strongest centres. It is said that imbalance in each one of this chakra leads to various disorders, ranging from hyperactivity, to lethargy, to emotional disorders, sicknesses, etc. Therefore chakra meditation, guided by a qualified trainer, will help you to neutralise either a blocked, or over-active chakra. I have a short one-page intro write up on this meditation and can send it to you if you want.

And I went for a similar session the other day, called Reiki healing, where a trained practitioner helps you energise and or neutralise your energy centres on whichever part of your body/aura that he feels is needed. I was seated there, trying to meditate while the practitioner did what she had to do on me. At one point during meditation I felt some intense pressure on my forehead, somewhat like a slight headache in the forehead. This area is usually known as the third eye chakra. I must have been doing my meditation wrongly this time as I was perhaps too focused on this area due to the stress levels before I commenced, and I should have focused on the heart chakra area which I usually do.

After the session I caught up with the practitioner and asked if there were anything she felt while healing me.

She said there was nothing much, the energy in the rest of my body was fine, except that she felt that there was a lot of activity in my third eye area, which isn't so desirable, and I should ground myself more.  Coincidence?  icon_idea.gif  Anyway, grounding can be just as simple as placing your bare hands and feet on the ground, or touching more trees and plants. I also heard of people who have learnt how the art of harnessing energy, whenever they visit certain holy temples they look for the oldest tree around and touch it and meditate under it. Perhaps earthing is applicable here too but I have yet to read up on it.
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Earthing : http://www.earthinginstitute.net/ This is the technical site of the http://www.earthing.com website.

Other links : http://www.paulcheksblog.com/barefoot-medicine-for-free
There was another link on grounding but I can't seem to find it. It mentioned in there that even meditation will ground you as well as various exercises and foods.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2013, 10:56 AM)
Earthing : http://www.earthinginstitute.net/ This is the technical site of the http://www.earthing.com website.

Other links : http://www.paulcheksblog.com/barefoot-medicine-for-free
There was another link on grounding but I can't seem to find it. It mentioned in there that even meditation will ground you as well as various exercises and foods.
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Thanks myremi. Interesting!
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what about yakult??
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QUOTE(foolc @ Apr 6 2013, 09:06 AM)
what about yakult??
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After reading this forum and understanding more on links... I'm not interested on commercial product like yakult, yogurt and etc ... tongue.gif
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Try searching yoghurt vs yakult.... in search engine

Here's the finding... :-

http://health.deartz.com/tag/yakult-vs-yogurt/
What is Yakult?

Yakult is a fermented milk drink with Lactobacillus casei Shirota strain, a live probiotic strain of good bacteria. The bacteria cultures are imported from a mother strain in Japan regardless of production location.

In India, Yakult was launched in 2007 and is manufactured at a HACCP certified state-of-the-art facility at Rai, Sonepat (Haryana).

Why should I drink Yakult everyday?

Each bottle of Yakult contains approximately 6.5 billion of bacteria which is enough to replenish the levels of good bacteria in the digestive system. Because of this, it helps maintain your gut flora. That means it protects your digestive system from dehydration, inactivity, and abnormal eating habits. By drinking Yakult everyday, it keeps the balance between the good and harmful bacteria living in the digestive system.

Are Yakult and yogurt the same?

Though yogurt and Yakult are both dairy product made from fermented milk with live cultures, Yakult is different from yogurt due to the Lactobacillus casie shirota strain present in Yakult, which makes Yakult unique. Eating yogurt and drinking Yakult complement with each other, so do not substitute one another.





Yogurt (yoghurt) is a thick, gelatinous substance produced by the fermentation of sugars in milk. It commonly contains cultures of Streptococcus salivarius, S. thermophilus, Lactobacillus acidophilus, L. bulgaricus, L. casei and L. bifidus. There is a drinkable form called kefir, but yogurt is generally too thick to drink.

Yakult is a citrus-flavored, yogurt-like drink that contains water, skim milk, glucose syrup, sugar, flavoring, and cultures of the bacterium Lactobacillus casei. This drink is manufactured and sold in Japan, Asia, Australia, Latin America, and Europe.




http://www.fitsugar.com/Review-Yakult-Prob...c-Drink-3405936

http://www.trilogybootcamp.com/262/probiot...-waste-of-money

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthne...urope-says.html

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QUOTE(myremi @ Apr 5 2013, 10:56 AM)
Earthing : http://www.earthinginstitute.net/ This is the technical site of the http://www.earthing.com website.

Other links : http://www.paulcheksblog.com/barefoot-medicine-for-free
There was another link on grounding but I can't seem to find it. It mentioned in there that even meditation will ground you as well as various exercises and foods.
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Now I'm more understanding on earthing and how important it is.... rclxms.gif biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(foolc @ Apr 6 2013, 09:06 AM)
what about yakult??
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Still too much sugar for me.
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It's a quality brand that is supposedly quite consistent in terms of quality and availability of probiotics in the end product, which yield you the positive effects usually touted by probiotic marketers, as compared to other inferior products. However, if you'd consider the sugar content, it overrides and cancels out the benefits gained.

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QUOTE(DT1 @ Apr 8 2013, 01:37 PM)
It's a quality brand that is supposedly quite consistent in terms of quality and availability of probiotics in the end product, which yield you the positive effects usually touted by probiotic marketers, as compared to other inferior products. However, if you'd consider the sugar content, it overrides and cancels out the benefits gained.
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The quickest way is to see how easy it is to pass motion i.e. to shit.
However, note that the cleaner your diet, the faster your body reacts to anything out-of-balance i.e. processed food, too much sugar.

Another way to get a good dose of bacteria is to eat rotten meat, on the theory that the bacteria in rotten meat will eat up all the rotten/diseased tissue. Apparently the eskimos do this.
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/519938-y...k-for-insomnia/

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