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Singapore and Indonesia are not just respectively the wealthiest and the most populous nation in Southeast Asia, they are also the two biggest military spenders in the region. While the Singaporean defense budget is projected at US$9.92 billion this year, the biggest in South-east Asia, Indonesia is catching up and has scheduled to increase its spending to US$7.98 billion. The two single-handedly account for 48 percent of all Southeast Asian military expenditure.

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Singapore, Indonesia rush to polish up their weapons and militaries

Technology-wise, Indonesia lags Singapore by bounds and leaps, but the country has massive military industries and also the manpower, being the fourth most populous nation in the world. Diplomatically, Singapore has security arrangements with the U.K., Australia and the United States, who would come to its aid upon any external aggression. The U.S. Western Pacific command has been headquartered in Singapore since 1992, providing logistic support for the U.S. 7th Fleet in its operations in the Pacific and Southeast Asia.

Formed in 1967, the Singaporean Armed Forces (SAF) provided strategic insurance in a Muslim neighbourhood that has often viewed the Republic's predominantly Chinese population with suspicion, if not animosity. But Singapore's relations with Malaysia and Indonesia have improved markedly in recent years; it is now Malaysia biggest trading partner and Indonesia no.1 foreign investor.

Analysts are not predicting any conflict soon or in near future though. An attack on the island will likely bring down its two neighbor's economies, and also angered Thailand, with whom Singapore has friendly military relationship and who hosted parts of its airforce, Myanmar, whose generals have deep affection for the island that helped it through the years of Western sanctions, and Vietnam, where Singapore is currently investing billions into 930 development projects across the country.

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Singapore has the best-equipped and most advanced military in the region

Singapore however, is building its own high-tech arms industry. The country is seeking a place in the global weaponry industry by exploiting its own technological expertise. ST Engineering is Southeast Asian largest defense manufacturer and the only company in the region to be ranked on the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute's list of the world's top 100 defense contractor. Singapore has long sold weapons to other developing countries, but has recently been winning its first large orders from Western armies too.

The tiny island is now one of the world's top suppliers of 40mm ammunition as well as portable weapons like the CIS 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher. The British Army's 115 Broncos - first deployed in Afghanistan in 2010 and dubbed the "Warthogs" - are ST Engineering's pride, and billed as the first armored vehicles built for a Western army by an Asian firm. Its aviation arm ST Aerospace is the largest independent aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul provider in the world. The company is mainly owned by Temasek Holdings, controlled by the government of Singapore.

Indonesia is also powering up its military. For the first time in recent histories, the Indonesian defense ministry has money in its pocket, thanks to a booming economy. It is now shopping for tanks, multiple launch rocket systems, a guided missile destroyer, F-16s, Su-30 Sukhoi fighters, Australian C-130 transport planes, and at least three new South Korean submarines. The Indonesian government is projecting a sharp increase of defense budget to US$15 billion by 2015.

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Indonesia has abundant resources, huge manpower and a deep military tradition

The numbers are highly significant, because a Southeast Asia in which Indonesia has a US$15 billion defense budget will look like a very different place; it would see Indonesia overtake Singapore as the region's biggest military spender, and leave others like Malaysia and Thailand trailing a long way behind. It is yet to be seen whether Singapore will allow that to happen.

Last week, Indonesia announced it plans to buy more than a dozen Russian Sukhoi fighter jets as part of a $15 billion five-year campaign to modernise its military. Singapore, who possesses the most powerful airforce in Southeast Asia, is also expected to purchase 12 Lockheed Martin's next generation F-35Bs fighter jets next week, and 63 more over time. The Singaporean decision will make it something of a Pacific air power - with 50 to 100 Australian F-35As, 42 F-35As in Japan, and 75 F-35Bs in Singapore.

Indonesia says it is wary of being left behind as China, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand and other Asian nations ramp up defense spending, but also warned that rapidly increasing military spending and stronger defence capabilities in the region could sow distrust and fuel rivalry. "If this is not accompanied by enhanced transparency that improves trust and confidence, it could run the risk of an arms race that adversely impacts on peace and stability," defense minister Purnomo Yusgiantorosaid said.

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Singapore's ST Engineering is Southeast Asia biggest weaponry company

As Southeast Asia's economies boomed, defense spending grew 42 percent in real terms from 2002 to 2011, data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute shows. High on the list are warships, patrol boats, radar systems and combat planes, along with submarines and anti-ship missiles that are particularly effective in denying access to sea lanes.

"Submarines are a big thing," said Tim Huxley, executive director for Asia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. "They can do immense damage without being seen, without being anticipated, and they can do that anywhere in the region." Malaysia has two Scorpene submarines and Vietnam is buying six Kilo-class submarines from Russia. Thailand also plans to buy submarines and its Gripen warplanes from Sweden's Saab AB.

Singapore has been pumping money to maintain its regional air superiority and two Archer-class submarines from Sweden to supplement the four Challenger submarines and powerful surface navy and air force it already has. Indonesia has two submarines now and has ordered three new ones from South Korea. It is also working with Chinese firms on manufacturing C-705 and C-802 anti-ship missiles after test-firing a Russian-built Yakhont anti-ship missile in 2011.

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Source:

http://defense.aol.com/2013/03/25/singapor...e-of-12-f-35bs/

http://www.economist.com/node/21551056

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=105005

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indone...ol-ships/580915

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/07/...E8960JY20121007
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where is malaysia?
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post Mar 27 2013, 09:53 AM


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Meanwhile, Taib are helping singapore keeping Malaysia weak by siphoning Malaysian money away into the island republic.

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Mar 27 2013, 09:54 AM)
Meanwhile, Taib are helping singapore keeping Malaysia weak by siphoning Malaysian money away into the island republic.
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damn singapore use taib's money again
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singapore small island need military security
indon big populous no need huge spending actually, nobody can conquer them , all big contry can onli rot from within not outside, indon shud spent on its citizen not gun
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QUOTE(botlife @ Mar 27 2013, 09:58 AM)
singapore small island need military security
indon big populous no need huge spending actually, nobody can conquer them , all big contry can onli rot from within not outside, indon shud spent on its citizen not gun
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Unfortunately one of the easiest and quickest way to distract citizens is to point them towards a foreign enemy.

"What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution." - Vyacheslav von Plehve
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QUOTE(botlife @ Mar 27 2013, 09:58 AM)
singapore small island need military security
indon big populous no need huge spending actually, nobody can conquer them , all big contry can onli rot from within not outside, indon shud spent on its citizen not gun
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why spend so much? must be songlap
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malaysia should work with Singapore. We are closer to the Singalions than Indon and Philippines.

Both Indonesia and Philippines are hostile towards Malaysia despite our best intentions.
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
why spend so much? must be songlap
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it happen even in usa so no surprise
summore got patriotism as a shield
high return low question thick shield easi deflection, good business ecosystem laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 26 2013, 02:01 PM)
Unfortunately one of the easiest and quickest way to distract citizens is to point them towards a foreign enemy.

"What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution." - Vyacheslav von Plehve
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QUOTE(botlife @ Mar 27 2013, 10:05 AM)
it happen even in usa so no surprise
summore got patriotism as a shield
high return low question thick shield easi deflection, good business ecosystem  laugh.gif
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usa different la, big country and they deploy their forces to bully other countries so they need the hardware

singapore last time bought those leopard in response to our pt91m lol.. overkill much? the tank not even suitable to operate in this region
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 27 2013, 09:52 AM)
where is malaysia?
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malaysia will be no 1 if include commission and life.
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 27 2013, 10:09 AM)
the tank not even suitable to operate in this region
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How so?
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 10:02 AM)
malaysia should work with Singapore. We are closer to the Singalions than Indon and Philippines.

Both Indonesia and Philippines are hostile towards Malaysia despite our best intentions.
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already are, under the five power defense agreement. despite all the squabbles between malaysia, sg and australia they're all still operating out of butterworth.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:18 AM)
How so?
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light tanks maybe... but main battle tanks? lol.. good luck with the mud, swamps and jungles.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 10:21 AM)
light tanks maybe... but main battle tanks? lol.. good luck with the mud, swamps and jungles.
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They don't have a MBT before that, did they?

Besides, with their excellent road infrastructure I'd think they can be deployed rapidly in any situation.
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well a small country speend so much,.a receipe for war!
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:23 AM)
They don't have a MBT before that, did they?

Besides, with their excellent road infrastructure I'd think they can be deployed rapidly in any situation.
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They have leopard 2!! wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif What a machine!
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We will bury them.
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with what? soft toy pandas? with songlaps? with "supremacy" speeches? with kataks? biggrin.gif
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we have over 5 million indonesians working here in malaysia, legally and illegally. i wonder in that 5 million how many percent are TNI–AD in cover. hmm
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QUOTE(beelzebob13 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:29 AM)
with what? soft toy pandas? with songlaps? with "supremacy" speeches? with kataks? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:23 AM)
They don't have a MBT before that, did they?

Besides, with their excellent road infrastructure I'd think they can be deployed rapidly in any situation.
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officially they used to have a number of french amx-13 light tanks, bought 2nd hand from israel. some supposedly have battle scars from 6-day war.
they also have some 2nd hand centurions from india/israel - never officially confirmed nor denied.
now replaced with the up-armored leo2.

the idea is rapid incursion via the north-south highway. they won't want to get suckered into jungle fighting.
for jungle fighting, they'd probably run-around in the bionix ifv.
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Dont see much issues who having the best military in ASEAN at the moment.
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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Mar 26 2013, 02:26 PM)
well a small country speend so much,.a receipe for war!
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small country spent alot = recepi for peace
big country spent alot = recepi for war
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:23 AM)
Besides, with their excellent road infrastructure I'd think they can be deployed rapidly in any situation.
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They already got the leopard way before our pendekar comes in.

"Their" excellent road, not ours or any other country in the region.
Look at what those lorry did to our roads, it's sink or swim here.

Most of the their tank is stored in aussie,
rapid deployment is maybe delayed.
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Singpor will win in short term through their supreme airforce capabilities
But if the war lasted more than a year,sure indon will slowly capture the island by guerilla war and sabo the supply line(this time many of singporean fled their state),that time malaysia is singpore's best hope
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 27 2013, 10:34 AM)
They already got the leopard way before our pendekar comes in.

"Their" excellent road, not ours or any other country in the region.
Look at what those lorry did to our roads, it's sink or swim here.

Most of the their tank is stored in aussie,
rapid deployment is maybe delayed.
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iirc we announced the purchase of the pendekar first? cos the leos were only bought in 2008 or so.
again, from what i've been told most of their heavy weapons are stored underground somewhere.
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Their military doctrine is deterrence, and if it comes to war; a quick and outright decisive victory. That's why they require a modern air force and tanks.
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 27 2013, 09:52 AM)
where is malaysia?
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Points at Sarawak, we're probably the fourth.
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one ICBM and singapore is off the map
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:37 AM)
Their military doctrine is deterrence, and if it comes to war; a quick and outright decisive victory. That's why they require a modern air force and tanks.
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Yup, so anyone who says all these expensive toys and not using it, or otherwise is a dumb douche.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:37 AM)
Their military doctrine is deterrence, and if it comes to war; a quick and outright decisive victory. That's why they require a modern air force and tanks.
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Air force and tanks have their limits for several few months only,coz require millions of liters of oil,indon bomb the refineries,cut the sealine supply, victory no more
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 27 2013, 10:43 AM)
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Yup, so anyone who says all these expensive toys and not using it, or otherwise is a dumb douche.
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One can say they are overreacting, but unless you're a Singaporean you have no idea what kind of shadow they live under when politicians from bigger, neighboring countries make veiled threats and rhetoric against their small country.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 27 2013, 10:44 AM)
Air force and tanks have their limits for several few  months only,coz require millions of liters of oil,indon bomb the refineries,cut the sealine supply, victory no more
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You only need a few hours for a decisive victory = one battle to win the strategic picture.
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QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 27 2013, 09:54 AM)
damn singapore use taib's money again
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padan muka la... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
siapa suruh u hari hari go support taib and umno !!! LOL!!! kasi songlap sampai habis ini malingsia

QUOTE(gestapo @ Mar 27 2013, 10:09 AM)
usa different la, big country and they deploy their forces to bully other countries so they need the hardware

singapore last time bought those leopard in response to our pt91m lol.. overkill much? the tank not even suitable to operate in this region
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so u the military expert here now?
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flex.gif flex.gif we got THE keris, we own the whole world
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:46 AM)
You only need a few hours for a decisive victory = one battle to win the strategic picture.
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Just like USA's "Shock and Awe"campaign at iraq 10years ago?don't know how many thousands of US personnels died since that
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QUOTE(beelzebob13 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:29 AM)
with what? soft toy pandas? with songlaps? with "supremacy" speeches? with kataks? biggrin.gif
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we have heckline pyramid yoo...

he will activate it and all current weapon useless against the pyramid army..
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perang roket besar akan bermula : Malaysia vs Singapura vs Indonesia !!!


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QUOTE(w3er @ Mar 27 2013, 10:47 AM)
padan muka la...  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
siapa suruh u hari hari go support taib and umno !!! LOL!!! kasi songlap sampai habis ini malingsia
so u the military expert here now?
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:46 AM)
You only need a few hours for a decisive victory = one battle to win the strategic picture.
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depends on how acrid the sentiments are. if its really bitter, the 'losing party' will bear as much punishment as it takes to win it.

in any case, trade-based economies like sg and malaysia (and indeed most of sea) will never declare (at least initiate) a war. it'd kill trade and trust and fdi, which is basically what the whole region is all about.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 27 2013, 10:49 AM)
Just like USA's "Shock and Awe"campaign at  iraq 10years ago?don't know how many thousands of  US personnels died since that
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That's because the Americans wanted to stay in Iraq. They won the battle with the plan but they had no idea on how to actually pacify the country.

A decisive victory would be something like Israel's pre-emptive air strike during the 6-Days War. The moment they achieved air superiority, Israel was in the driving seat for the war.
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 27 2013, 10:49 AM)
Just like USA's "Shock and Awe"campaign at  iraq 10years ago?don't know how many thousands of  US personnels died since that
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Just like IDF kick Arab butt in 6-day war? Habis kantoi in 6 days. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Mar 27 2013, 10:49 AM)
we have heckline pyramid yoo...

he will activate it and all current weapon useless against the pyramid army..
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 27 2013, 10:49 AM)
Just like USA's "Shock and Awe"campaign at  iraq 10years ago?don't know how many thousands of  US personnels died since that
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nothing surprising there..Singapore has a siege mentality and actually doing quite good in the defence of their country. Indon has a wide and large territory to protect, together with its vast oil fileds, so they need to modernize their armed forces..
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Meanwhile, Taib are helping singapore keeping Malaysia weak by siphoning Malaysian money away into the island republic.
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malaysia should work with Singapore. We are closer to the Singalions than Indon and Philippines.

Both Indonesia and Philippines are hostile towards Malaysia despite our best intentions.
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i Hope Malaysians wake up to the sobering reality that the Philippine and Indonesian Government are not your friends no matter how far your "roots" may go.

Do Malaysians even remember what MAPHILINDO is?

These two faced shits only work as far as it benefits themselves. Once the climate is right, they'd stab you in the back in a heartbeat. Bury the imperial age ! Its over! why build bridges when they keep burning it down?
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i Hope Malaysians wake up to the sobering reality that the Philippine and Indonesian Government are not your friends no matter how far your "roots" may go.

Do Malaysians even  remember what MAPHILINDO is?

These two faced shits only work as far as it benefits themselves. Once the climate is right, they'd stab you in the back in a heartbeat. Bury the imperial age ! Its over! why build bridges when they keep burning it down?
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They sure know, but there are just too many who believe working with SG is a type of sin and racial betrayal. They see SG as 'big satan' and ID/PH as 'tiny satans'. America the 'super satan' while Israel 'mega satan'.

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They sure know, but there are just too many who believe working with SG is a type of sin and racial betrayal. They see SG as 'big satan' and ID/PH as 'tiny satans'.
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Malaysia doesn't realise it is in the same boat as Singapore was. She is surrounded by hostile neighbours who will stop at nothing to see its destruction. Is it a wonder that this sentiment is prevalent to this day ?
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 11:59 AM)
Malaysia doesn't realise it is in the same boat as Singapore was. She is surrounded by hostile neighbours who will stop at nothing to see its destruction. Is it a wonder that this sentiment is prevalent to this day ?
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lol. turn back to 1991.
Singapore national day (9th Aug).
Suddenly MY-INA decide to hold paratroop exercise just kilometers away from sg border.

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Motive behind misreading of book on SAF
by David Boey

BILATERAL ties between Singapore and Malaysia have gone through a bad patch
lately, with verbal spats turning distinctly belligerent. Malaysian Foreign
Minister Syed Hamid Albar said on Dec 31 last year: 'Singapore has two choices:
If it refuses to compromise, go to war.'

Adding to the strain were reports in Malaysian newspapers that used extracts
from a book by British academic Tim Huxley, titled Defending The Lion City: The
Armed Forces Of Singapore, out of context.

Dr Huxley supervised my master's dissertation on Singapore's defence policy
when I studied at the University of Hull in England several years ago. The
preface of his contentious book cites a Singaporean journalist who 'contributed
substantially to my knowledge of the subject'.

I am the journalist mentioned. I will point out later how his book has been
misread. But first, some comments on Singapore-Malaysia political
brinkmanship.

A similarly tense period occurred in 1991 when Malaysia and Indonesia staged
joint military manoeuvres, code-named Exercise Malindo Darsasa 3AB, on
peninsular Malaysia from July to August. This was then the largest military
exercise between Malaysia and Indonesia.

The highlight of the exercise involved dropping paratroops in southern Johor,
just 18 km from Singapore's border. The airborne landing site was just minutes
away by car from the Causeway.

From Singapore's perspective, the exercise was seen as a deliberate ploy to
test how the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) would react to a large-scale military
exercise on its doorstep.

And lest Singapore's defence planners missed the message, the airdrop was
codenamed Pukul Habis (Malay for 'Total Wipeout'). It was also executed with
unprecedented proximity to Singapore on Aug 9 - Singapore's National Day.


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wait for both 'old-mens' to die - bury the hatchet. then relationships will 'blossom'. whistling.gif
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lol. turn back to 1991.
Singapore national day (9th Aug).
Suddenly MY-INA decide to hold paratroop exercise just kilometers away from sg border.
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Well Malaysia is just dancing to Mahathir's tune during the time.But being a politician. He was known to be hostile towards Singapore but its really no more than just saber-rattling because anti-Singapore sentiment is a convenient tool to unite the masses under his leadership.
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perang roket besar akan bermula : Malaysia vs Singapura vs Indonesia !!!


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Do Malaysians even  remember what MAPHILINDO is?
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Please, we chop and change our history textbooks so much that I think our students are being tested more on Islamic civilization history than actual Malaysian history.
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malaysia should work with Singapore. We are closer to the Singalions than Indon and Philippines.

Both Indonesia and Philippines are hostile towards Malaysia despite our best intentions.
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no no no no.....singapore are the biggest threat of malaysia...... indonesia should be malaysia's ally....
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lol. turn back to 1991.
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Suddenly MY-INA decide to hold paratroop exercise just kilometers away from sg border.
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mahathir's doing?
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no no no no.....singapore are the biggest threat of malaysia...... indonesia should be malaysia's ally....
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really ? Indonesia and Philippines were the ones who tried and will still try to invade us whenever they can. When was the last time Singapore waged war against Malaysia ?
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QUOTE(omaryoma @ Mar 27 2013, 12:56 PM)
no no no no.....singapore are the biggest threat of malaysia...... indonesia should be malaysia's ally....
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Totally the biggest threat! If only Singapore has the 'right' demographic structure, just like Brunei.... the threat will automatically disappear, even giving away oil fields also no problem. rclxms.gif
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really ? Indonesia and Philippines were the ones who tried and will still try to invade us whenever they can. When was the last time Singapore waged war against Malaysia ?
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these ppl r born hypocrite and racist
y???
let me give u a hint
u ever wonder y they stay silent and didn't condemn, when 10 of thousands of innocent children and women died in syria???
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QUOTE(w3er @ Mar 27 2013, 01:32 PM)
these ppl r born hypocrite and racist
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let me give u a hint
u ever wonder y they stay silent and didn't condemn,  when 10 of thousands of innocent children and women died in syria???
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They're just doing that to survive; they cant really talk cock their way in the international arena since they are dependent on the international market. You can talk about Palestine and Syria all you want but before you even realise;the Philippines enters the backdoor with "hapless Sulu muslim terrorists " and starts terrorizing Malaysian citizens. One thing you need to realise, there are problems are much closer to home buddy.

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really ? Indonesia and Philippines were the ones who tried and will still try to invade us whenever they can. When was the last time Singapore waged war against Malaysia ?
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i think indonesia will one day attack mahresia to reunify the great malay kingdom.....
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i think indonesia will one day attack mahresia for greater Indonesia
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malaysia should work with Singapore. We are closer to the Singalions than Indon and Philippines.

Both Indonesia and Philippines are hostile towards Malaysia despite our best intentions.
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i think indonesia will one day attack mahresia to reunify the great malay kingdom.....
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The concept is actually already there, called 'Indonesia Raya'

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Some nationalists believe it should also include southern Philippines and southern Thailand. Strangely, Papua New Guinea is never included.

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mahathir's doing?
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i can't remember the exact reason. but of course tdm was around, so was suharto.
lky had just stepped down, maybe they wanted to test the new man in charge (goh)?
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u ever wonder y they stay silent and didn't condemn,  when 10 of thousands of innocent children and women died in syria???
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And what exactly has worldwide condemnation done to help those innocent women and children?
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I rather Malaysia joined back with Singapore rather than succumb under Indon government.
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The concept is actually already there, called 'Indonesia Raya'

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Some nationalists believe it should also include southern Philippines and southern Thailand. Strangely, Papua New Guinea is never included.


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that could happen very soon..............we hav millions of indonesians here at msia, it wil b an easy task for them
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The concept is actually already there, called 'Indonesia Raya'

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Some nationalists believe it should also include southern Philippines and southern Thailand. Strangely, Papua New Guinea is never included.

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wah, they want SG also ah?
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the last thing Indon need is thier 'own' backyard - Acheh, Sulawesi, Malukus and Irian are all waiting when to start another round of 'domino-effect' for 'autonomy. whistling.gif
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wah, they want SG also ah?
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SG frm start memang is a malay kingdom
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lol Brunei also. Yet some pipur wanna be satu rumpun. heres the funny question though.In all their quest for racial glory, they forgotten one thing..


1)satu rumpun under Indonesia ?
2)Satu rumpun under Malaysia ?

lolol

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SG frm start memang is a malay kingdom
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Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now

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lol Brunei also. Yet some pipur wanna be satu rumpun. heres the funny question though.In all their quest for racial glory, they forgotten one thing..
1)satu rumpun under Indonesia ?
2)Satu rumpun under  Malaysia ?

lolol
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Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now
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its for historical reasons, jz like hw china took back hong kong frm british even thou the british built modern hong kong
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 02:02 PM)
Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now
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the malays and indians also got contribute bro.
guys like yusof ishak, rajaratnam etc.
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its for historical reasons, jz like hw china took back hong kong frm british even thou the british built modern hong kong
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Wish people would stop claiming territory for historical reasons
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the malays and indians also got contribute bro.
guys like yusof ishak, rajaratnam etc.
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Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now
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Totaly BS
During british empire at Tanah Melayu,all natural resources from peninsular is being extracted and exported to UK,British HQ is at singpore and highly-developed sea port owned by brirish and British military installation also based there that time
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impossible.........humans r greedy whistling.gif whistling.gif
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impossible.........humans r greedy whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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unfortunately
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Totaly BS
During british empire at Tanah Melayu,all natural resources from peninsular is being extracted and exported to UK,British HQ is at singpore and highly-developed sea port owned by brirish  and British military installation also based there that time
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During british empire .. during british empire.... during british empire... lololol

Bro, after the war.. Singapore was literarily a SHITHOLE


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Wish people would stop claiming territory for historical reasons
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Of course la noob,who in the right mind want to claim singapore based on historical empire?but now in modern world, if singpore ever attacked by indon,malaysia automaticaly need to assist(if they push the fpda button)
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Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now
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last time, they thaught Singapore would crawl back and beg Malaysia to accept them back.....cause Singapore that time just a small tiny island....with nothing
a dirty slum city, with no natural resources, no infrastructure.....even no raw water...

but they didn't realise Singapore ppl got brain and perseverance

now these type ppl, with kampong brain and mentality. which very easy sakit hati and jealous ppl successful....that's y now bising bising want hapus Singapore....
with that mamakutty pouring oil into fire everyday...these stupid kampong mindset ppl more rage la now
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QUOTE(w3er @ Mar 27 2013, 02:15 PM)
last time, they thaught Singapore would crawl back and beg Malaysia to accept them back.....cause Singapore that time just a small tiny island....with nothing
a dirty slum city, with no natural resources, no infrastructure.....even no raw water...

but they didn't realise Singapore ppl got brain and perseverance

now these type ppl, with kampong brain and mentality.  which very easy sakit hati and jealous ppl successful....that's y now bising bising want hapus Singapore....
with that mamakutty pouring oil into fire everyday...these stupid kampong mindset ppl more rage la now
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to be fair, they did have a very strategically located port. but we also have penang port, port klang and malacca
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QUOTE(w3er @ Mar 27 2013, 02:15 PM)
last time, they thaught Singapore would crawl back and beg Malaysia to accept them back.....cause Singapore that time just a small tiny island....with nothing
a dirty slum city, with no natural resources, no infrastructure.....even no raw water...

but they didn't realise Singapore ppl got brain and perseverance

now these type ppl, with kampong brain and mentality.  which very easy sakit hati and jealous ppl successful....that's y now bising bising want hapus Singapore....
with that mamakutty pouring oil into fire everyday...these stupid kampong mindset ppl more rage la now
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We don't hv soverignity prob with singpore,just from economic view,we r competing each other

I guess u r the one of those who like to ignite fire and create tension
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QUOTE(w3er @ Mar 27 2013, 02:15 PM)
last time, they thaught Singapore would crawl back and beg Malaysia to accept them back.....cause Singapore that time just a small tiny island....with nothing
a dirty slum city, with no natural resources, no infrastructure.....even no raw water...

but they didn't realise Singapore ppl got brain and perseverance

now these type ppl, with kampong brain and mentality.  which very easy sakit hati and jealous ppl successful....that's y now bising bising want hapus Singapore....
with that mamakutty pouring oil into fire everyday...these stupid kampong mindset ppl more rage la now
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its like this

Philippines and Indonesia is jealous of Malaysia is jealous of Singapore is jealous ......
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its like this

Philippines and Indonesia is jealous of Malaysia is jealous of Singapore is jealous ......
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and SG jelly who?
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The Chinese population in Singapore surpassed Malays in 1826

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Nothing much can be done now, just like Australia (Aborigines) or the US (Red Indians), but I guess respect can be given by acknowledging its Malay roots. The constitution of Singapore already recognize them as indigenous people.

This was Singapore in 1826 smile.gif

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Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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SG not jelly,they threatened by presence of Iskandar Malaysia, while their island become more scarce both for population and industrial,etc there will be more refineries at pengerang that wil competing with singpore's
deswai they invested in Iskandar project quite huge too

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Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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and SG jelly who?
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SG is jeles of HK and Shanghai. they go not time to 'compare' with 3rd World Country. whistling.gif
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don't think so, HK cramped as fck, SG small, but not as cramped and polluted as HK. And they hate PRC people, so why jelly Shanghai?
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 02:22 PM)
Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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The moment you intrude SG airspace you would be intercepted by ASEAN most powerful airforce. I think I read news somewhere before a Thai private jet tried to enter the airspace without permission and SG sent 2 fighter jets to hunt it immediately.
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Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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Their 24hours surveilance planes wil detect any incoming threat either at the sea or airspace,from 500km distance,then shortly few minutes after being alerted, their fighter jets with fully loaded will be scrambled to intercept those threats

I think those threats will be annihiliated within few hours only
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don't think so, HK cramped as fck, SG small, but not as cramped and polluted as HK. And they hate PRC people, so why jelly Shanghai?
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I don't think SG that far behind HK leh, in terms of economy. Plus SG is much more livable than HK.

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I don't think SG that far behind HK leh, in terms of economy
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some things HK have that sg jelly:
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HK stock market is much bigger than sg.

some things HK have that sg jelly:
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both HK pipu and SG pipu hate PRCs

and I don't think SG pipu think they lose to HK in terms of food. They seem especially proud of it
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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 02:37 PM)
both HK  pipu and SG pipu hate PRCs

and I don't think SG pipu think they lose to HK in terms of food. They seem especially proud of it
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lol the hongkies may not like the PRCs much, but they're smart enough to understand they need big bro.
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this pretty much how it's gonna end up. Zerg (Indo) and Terrain (SG), they probably getting a zerg rush before all reinforcement coming in.



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this pretty much how it's gonna end up. Zerg (Indo) and Terrain (SG), they probably getting a zerg rush before all reinforcement coming in.

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sg jelly at the countries of the white man, to which many singaporeans migrate to.
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if indon n msia attack singapork scorce earth war...rampage singapork until all destroy...when usa come take back nothing left
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sadly such Malaysia-indon vs Singapore scenarioes only exist in your wet-dreams.

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singapore and indon try to be top military power in asean?

what about vietnam, the country in south east asia with by far the best war record, have fight war with japan, france, USA and China.
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QUOTE(Walter White @ Mar 27 2013, 02:50 PM)
singapore and indon try to be top military power in asean?

what about vietnam, the country in south east asia with by far the best war record, have fight war with japan, france, USA and China.
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i think it's also in terms of power projection.
vietnam is incredibly good at letting enemy come in, then slowly fark them up; but i highly doubt they can easily invade and defeat other SEA countries on enemy soil.

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Kopassus doesn't stand a chance against our GGK in the jungle...
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HK stock market is much bigger than sg.

some things HK have that sg jelly:
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HK got bluebird food

unless.. dim sum...yea

stupid spaghetti in soup, and go cafe makan maggie mee is crazy
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Kopassus doesn't stand a chance against our GGK in the jungle...
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looking at the rate they are spending on military kinda makes you wonder what Indonesia is actually preparing for...

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The moment you intrude SG airspace you would be intercepted by ASEAN most powerful airforce. I think I read news somewhere before a Thai private jet tried to enter the airspace without permission and SG sent 2 fighter jets to hunt it immediately.
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LOL it's called intercepting... Every moderately capable country does it. That's why we have the MiG-29s for air superiority...
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sad to see some malaysian care about singapore than malaysia. always justify singapore arms spending but when malaysia spend: "what for? we are not going for war anyway"
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LOL it's called intercepting... Every moderately capable country does it. That's why we have the MiG-29s for air superiority...
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erh, they easily invaded and defeated cambodia,

in fact they are the only SEA country that have conquer another SEA country in the post colonial era
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i don't think they would win if they try it now.

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erh, they easily invaded and defeated cambodia,

in fact they are the only SEA country that have conquer another SEA country in the post colonial era
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That time Khmer Rouge just killed 1/3 of its own population, economy bankrupted, military so demoralized and underfunded. Once Viet launched full scale invasion Cambodia fell in 13 days.
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Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength


1. Vietnam
Vietnam, like many other states in Indochina, had been underestimated many times. Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia, though they're still relatively poor. Its army is the biggest in the world and if its reserved troops and paramilitary troops are counted, they have the second biggest army in the world. They also have the third biggest population in SEA. It has been involved in the 2 major wars against the 2 biggest major powers, defeated US, and a short later defeated China's invasion under a Chinese's fake reason of Kmer-China relation. More than 400 tanks of China force were destroyed and (around 250,000 both Chinese and Vietnamese troops dead) in that 1 month war. Chinese casualty claim: 6,900 killed, 15,000 wounded.[3] Western source: 26,000 killed, 37,000 wounded and 420 tanks destroyed.

2. Indonesia
Indonesia has the biggest population and land in the region. Their GDP is by far the highest in Southeast Asia. Indonesia is also the most powerful country in Southeast Asia politically. It is one of the founding members of ASEAN and APEC and they also have the third largest army in Southeast Asia after Vietnam and Burma. They're like the China of Southeast Asia.

3. Malaysia
Malaysia is one of the most technologically advanced nations in Southeast Asia. Just after Brunei and Singapore, they have the biggest GDP per capita. Though their army might not be the biggest or one of the biggest in SEA, it is certainly the second most technologically advanced after Singapore. They are also a founding member of APEC and ASEAN. Malaysia is sort of like the Japan of SEA.

4. Thailand
Thailand was the most visited country in SEA (before their political crisis). Their GDP is the second largest in SEA after Indonesia's. They also have the fourth largest army in SEA. Thailand is like the France of SEA.

5. The Philippines/Singapore
I had a hard time deciding which should be the fifth most powerful, so I'll say both are. The Philippines has the second biggest population and the third biggest GDP in SEA. The Philippines also has one of the biggest armies in SEA.
Singapore is the second richest country in SEA in terms of GDP per capita. It is SEA's main economic capital and despite the fact that they don't have natural resources, its economy is doing quite well. Singapore is also the most technologically advanced country in SEA.
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already happen. they bought a lot of USSR toys during 60s and 70s for confrontation and territorial expansion over papua. they were the most advanced military in south east asia at that time and then went bankrupt liao
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it's interesting to see how 'fast' our TUDM 'scrambles' thier MiG, once they 'detect' intrusions. check with 'politicians -> negotiations -> again nego -> PM ->  whistling.gif
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Stop undermining our OWN military forces and stop trying to make Singapore looks like they're some sort of 'world power'. We have intercepted a lot of planes that got into our airspace without problems. The most recent I heard, which I couldn't confirm its truth, is that we intercepted a fighter plane from Singapore or Thailand(I don't remember) within minutes of it reaching our airspace.
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QUOTE(Hahamall @ Mar 27 2013, 03:14 PM)
Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength
1. Vietnam
Vietnam, like many other states in Indochina, had been underestimated many times. Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia, though they're still relatively poor. Its army is the biggest in the world and if its reserved troops and paramilitary troops are counted, they have the second biggest army in the world. They also have the third biggest population in SEA. It has been involved in the 2 major wars against the 2 biggest major powers, defeated US, and a short later defeated China's invasion under a Chinese's fake reason of Kmer-China relation. More than 400 tanks of China force were destroyed and (around 250,000 both Chinese and Vietnamese troops dead) in that 1 month war. Chinese casualty claim: 6,900 killed, 15,000 wounded.[3] Western source: 26,000 killed, 37,000 wounded and 420 tanks destroyed.

2. Indonesia
Indonesia has the biggest population and land in the region. Their GDP is by far the highest in Southeast Asia. Indonesia is also the most powerful country in Southeast Asia politically. It is one of the founding members of ASEAN and APEC and they also have the third largest army in Southeast Asia after Vietnam and Burma. They're like the China of Southeast Asia.

3. Malaysia
Malaysia is one of the most technologically advanced nations in Southeast Asia. Just after Brunei and Singapore, they have the biggest GDP per capita. Though their army might not be the biggest or one of the biggest in SEA, it is certainly the second most technologically advanced after Singapore. They are also a founding member of APEC and ASEAN. Malaysia is sort of like the Japan of SEA.

4. Thailand
Thailand was the most visited country in SEA (before their political crisis). Their GDP is the second largest in SEA after Indonesia's. They also have the fourth largest army in SEA. Thailand is like the France of SEA.

5. The Philippines/Singapore
I had a hard time deciding which should be the fifth most powerful, so I'll say both are. The Philippines has the second biggest population and the third biggest GDP in SEA. The Philippines also has one of the biggest armies in SEA.
Singapore is the second richest country in SEA in terms of GDP per capita. It is SEA's main economic capital and despite the fact that they don't have natural resources, its economy is doing quite well. Singapore is also the most technologically advanced country in SEA.
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lol. size of army is not representative of quality.
china has a freaking large army, but the US can easily match them with a smaller army.
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QUOTE(Hahamall @ Mar 27 2013, 03:14 PM)
Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength....
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already happen. they bought a lot of USSR toys during 60s and 70s for confrontation and territorial expansion over papua. they were the most advanced military in south east asia at that time and then went bankrupt liao
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its going to happen again. Indonesia's economy is growing rapidly but most of this is on hot-air, does Indonesia produce anything made in indonesia? Manufacturing is growing too slow... meanwhile Philippines is industrializing pretty rapidly as we speak despite their laughable military but problems still persist with regards to protectionist policies, which I feel, isn't going to go anytime soon.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 03:22 PM)
its going to happen again. Indonesia's economy is growing rapidly but most of this is on hot-air, does Indonesia produce anything made in indonesia? Manufacturing is growing too slow... meanwhile Philippines is industrializing pretty rapidly as we speak despite their laughable military but problems still persist with regards to protectionist policies, which I feel, isn't going to go anytime soon.
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erm indonesia is going to be the next manufacturing superpower/or is already there.
yes it's the lower-end stuff right now, but i think they can very quickly catch-up with MY.
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Stop undermining our OWN military forces and stop trying to make Singapore looks like they're some sort of 'world power'. We have intercepted a lot of planes that got into our airspace without problems. The most recent I heard, which I couldn't confirm its truth, is that we intercepted a fighter plane from Singapore or Thailand(I don't remember) within minutes of it reaching our airspace.
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erm indonesia is going to be the next manufacturing superpower/or is already there.
yes it's the lower-end stuff right now, but i think they can very quickly catch-up with MY.
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Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength
1. Vietnam
Vietnam, like many other states in Indochina, had been underestimated many times. Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia, though they're still relatively poor. Its army is the biggest in the world and if its reserved troops and paramilitary troops are counted, they have the second biggest army in the world. They also have the third biggest population in SEA. It has been involved in the 2 major wars against the 2 biggest major powers, defeated US, and a short later defeated China's invasion under a Chinese's fake reason of Kmer-China relation. More than 400 tanks of China force were destroyed and (around 250,000 both Chinese and Vietnamese troops dead) in that 1 month war. Chinese casualty claim: 6,900 killed, 15,000 wounded.[3] Western source: 26,000 killed, 37,000 wounded and 420 tanks destroyed.

2. Indonesia
Indonesia has the biggest population and land in the region. Their GDP is by far the highest in Southeast Asia. Indonesia is also the most powerful country in Southeast Asia politically. It is one of the founding members of ASEAN and APEC and they also have the third largest army in Southeast Asia after Vietnam and Burma. They're like the China of Southeast Asia.

3. Malaysia
Malaysia is one of the most technologically advanced nations in Southeast Asia. Just after Brunei and Singapore, they have the biggest GDP per capita. Though their army might not be the biggest or one of the biggest in SEA, it is certainly the second most technologically advanced after Singapore. They are also a founding member of APEC and ASEAN. Malaysia is sort of like the Japan of SEA.

4. Thailand
Thailand was the most visited country in SEA (before their political crisis). Their GDP is the second largest in SEA after Indonesia's. They also have the fourth largest army in SEA. Thailand is like the France of SEA.

5. The Philippines/Singapore
I had a hard time deciding which should be the fifth most powerful, so I'll say both are. The Philippines has the second biggest population and the third biggest GDP in SEA. The Philippines also has one of the biggest armies in SEA.
Singapore is the second richest country in SEA in terms of GDP per capita. It is SEA's main economic capital and despite the fact that they don't have natural resources, its economy is doing quite well. Singapore is also the most technologically advanced country in SEA.
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rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif wth is dis.........vietnam powerful?? hav big army doesnt mean the army is powerful, we r not in an era of having more horses and bayonets means having a stronger army......

malaysian army is strong, but both thailand and indonesia r fast catching up with us.......soon they will b stronger than us......

phillipines army also one of the weakest army in SEA, they dont even hav a fighter jet fyi......
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rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  wth is dis.........vietnam powerful?? hav big army doesnt mean the army is powerful, we r not in an era of having more horses and bayonets means having a stronger army......

malaysian army is strong, but both thailand and indonesia r fast catching up with us.......soon they will b stronger than us......

phillipines army also one of the weakest army in SEA, they dont even hav a fighter jet fyi......
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While Malaysia remains economically stagnant; to move forward, malaysia must begin to decentralize.
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ya lor. i thought ordinary malaysian also dont want war what. often protesting arms spending whistling.gif
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No one think SG is a world power, but it is a recognized regional power.
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Small population, GDP ranking of 40 compared to our ranking of 30, no crude oil or natural gas production with no proven reserves, almost total dependence on fossil fuels for energy production... There are so much to go on with...
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decentralize? care to elaborate.
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decentralisation as to enable Malaysian states and nation-states to govern themselves without being wretched by incessant bureaucratic policies and red-tape. One such example is the Cabbotage-Policy. If done properly, it would make the value chain more efficient and increase productivity.
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No it certainly is not.

Small population, GDP ranking of 40 compared to our ranking of 30, no crude oil or natural gas production with no proven reserves, almost total dependence on fossil fuels for energy production... There are so much to go on with...
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The description of population, GDP, natural resource sound a bit like Israel, Middle East regional power.
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decentralisation as to enable Malaysian states and nation-states to govern themselves without being wretched by incessant bureaucratic policies and red-tape. One such example is the Cabbotage-Policy. If done properly, it would make the value chain more efficient and increase productivity.
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this will cause more separatist movements across msia...........Republic of Penang and Republic of Borneo in the making
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decentralisation as to enable Malaysian states and nation-states to govern themselves without being wretched by incessant bureaucratic policies and red-tape. One such example is the Cabbotage-Policy. If done properly, it would make the value chain more efficient and increase productivity.
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highly doubt it will work here, every state will have their own taib then
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this will cause more separatist movements across msia...........Republic of Penang and Republic of Borneo in the making
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wrong, authoritarian centralism fuels economic disparity fuels separatism... Indonesia learnt this the hard way. The more it tries to muscle its provinces to kowtow to Java-centric governance, the more the resistance grew and the republic almost fell into pieces...As a result, they lost Timor2, almost lost Acheh. Only after it relented by granting autonomy to its provinces albeit reluctantly; there was relative peace in the region and the economy started growing...

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ya lor. i thought ordinary malaysian also dont want war what. often protesting arms spending whistling.gif
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we are protesting against overpaying tongue.gif
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wrong, authoritarian centralism  fuels economic disparity fuels separatism... Indonesia learnt this the hard way. The more it tries to muscle its provinces to kowtow to Java-centric governance, the more the resistance grew and the republic almost fell into pieces...
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then watabout spain? spain is decentralized n most of the states wan to secede frm spain......
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highly doubt it will work here, every state will have their own taib then
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taib is the result of putting Sabah and Sarawak on a leash. If you dont democratize the economy, it will only create the ripe conditions for monolithic creeps like taib to breed.
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 03:43 PM)
No it certainly is not.

Small population, GDP ranking of 40 compared to our ranking of 30, no crude oil or natural gas production with no proven reserves, almost total dependence on fossil fuels for energy production... There are so much to go on with...
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u have to look beyond raw GDP numbers.
they might be small, but they have the ears of the major powers.

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decentralisation as to enable Malaysian states and nation-states to govern themselves without being wretched by incessant bureaucratic policies and red-tape. One such example is the Cabbotage-Policy. If done properly, it would make the value chain more efficient and increase productivity.
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this. look at pg. want to build freaking MRT also control by federal. WTF.
look at US. their states are powerful and their independence in many areas results in a stronger overall union.
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highly doubt it will work here, every state will have their own taib then
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that's the point - different region, has thier 'unique' problem - which Putrajaya will not understand. especially managing East Malaysia. it's about time to let-go of both Sabah/Sarawak. cry.gif
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then watabout spain? spain is decentralized n most of the states wan to secede frm spain......
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Spain? Why are you even equating us with Spain, their nationalism is driven mostly by romanticized historical attachment. Most Sabahans and sarawakians wouldnt even thought of leaving the Federation had the Federal Government treated them fairly. Anyway, what gives you any right to turn

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looking at the rate they are spending on military kinda makes you wonder what Indonesia is actually preparing for...
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rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  wth is dis.........vietnam powerful?? hav big army doesnt mean the army is powerful, we r not in an era of having more horses and bayonets means having a stronger army......

malaysian army is strong, but both thailand and indonesia r fast catching up with us.......soon they will b stronger than us......

phillipines army also one of the weakest army in SEA, they dont even hav a fighter jet fyi......
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there will come times, where you just don't have enough manpower to handle your firepower.
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I'm not so sure, but I remember reading newspaper that Singapore even tried to "buy" space in Malaysia? (the higher space that is out of reach from commercial airline space) Does anybody know about the details? Can't seem to Google it.
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Singapore is currently at its peak, it should be able to maintain the edge for another 1 or 2 decades. After that we all know Indonesia will become the strongest country in SEA. Those who offended it in the past will suffer.
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singapork racing for military supremacy? they are supreme decades ago..
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Singapore is currently at its peak, it should be able to maintain the edge for another 1 or 2 decades. After that we all know Indonesia will become the strongest country in SEA. Those who offended it in the past will suffer.
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Nah... by that time Malaysia will be linked with Singapore, and both countries will pawn everyone. lol

Not far fetched if you think about Singapore- Malaysia relations these days...

both are in favor of linking the two countries economically and trends only point to increased collaboration. With the construction of Malaysia-Singapore transport connection, Iskandariah development among others, pretty soon our countries will be meshed with each other.

Singapore has no choice but to buy up properties in Malaysia to expand, and Singapore dollars augurs well for malaysia.
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Nah... by that time Malaysia will be linked with Singapore, and both countries will pawn everyone. lol

Not far fetched if you think about Singapore- Malaysia relations these days...

both are in favor of linking the two countries economically and trends only point to increased collaboration. With the construction of Malaysia-Singapore transport connection, Iskandariah development among others, pretty soon our countries will be meshed with each other.

Singapore has no choice but to buy up properties in Malaysia to expand, and Singapore dollars augurs well for malaysia.
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Might work in theories, but when SG begins to control more and more of the economy, 'things' will happen
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Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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Might work in theories, but when SG begins to control more and more of the economy, 'things' will happen
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Although both countries hate to admit it but Singapore and Malaysia is like an arm and a leg attached to the same body.
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small country spent alot = recepi for peace
big country spent alot = recepi for war
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yeah..well singapore sure spend like tommorow will be WW3 whistling.gif
i wonder about brunei's capability,
they sure couldn't stand idle while their neighbours engage in military exercise and spending
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Nah... by that time Malaysia will be linked with Singapore, and both countries will pawn everyone. lol

Not far fetched if you think about Singapore- Malaysia relations these days...

both are in favor of linking the two countries economically and trends only point to increased collaboration. With the construction of Malaysia-Singapore transport connection, Iskandariah development among others, pretty soon our countries will be meshed with each other.

Singapore has no choice but to buy up properties in Malaysia to expand, and Singapore dollars augurs well for malaysia.
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i agree with the other guy. indonesia has potential, the same way china had potential. back in the 60s when mao was ineptly destroying china's own economy everyone thought china was going to be an economic basketcase for centuries, but instead it jsut took one generation to reverse the stupid communist policies and china slowly reverted to where its economy should be, given the resources at its disposal.

no reason to think indonesia wont do similarly.
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yeah..well singapore sure spend like tommorow will be WW3 whistling.gif
i wonder about brunei's capability,
they sure couldn't stand idle while their neighbours engage in military exercise and spending
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not this shit again
look at UK,is Scotland & ireland region decentralize from Great Britain?

econmy stagnant nothing todo with decentralize/centralise....its about highly capable human resources--no need to look further,its singapore & selangor(the richest state in malaysia which have nearly no natural resources at all)both singapore & selangor state highly dependant on high educted human labour to propel the economy
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i agree with the other guy. indonesia has potential, the same way china had potential. back in the 60s when mao was ineptly destroying china's own economy everyone thought china was going to be an economic basketcase for centuries, but instead it jsut took one generation to reverse the stupid communist policies and china slowly reverted to where its economy should be, given the resources at its disposal.

no reason to think indonesia wont do similarly.
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yeah by the time they reach that high level plain, you better pray they wont revert to their ideas about Greater Indonesia because the first casualty will be Malaysia.
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Kopassus doesn't stand a chance against our GGK in the jungle...
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our GGK doesn't even stand a chance against Sulu without the help of TUDM... against Kopassus, our GGK can only cirit birit
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our GGK doesn't even stand a chance against Sulu without the help of TUDM... against Kopassus, our GGK can only cirit birit
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how u know that?btw even kopassus also same what
dont tell me Indon army will dismantle their airforce becoz their kopassus so powerful?can ask anyone from kopassus what will happen if no airforce to help?sp why Indon airforce keep adding their assets?kopassus not powerful meh?kopassus can setel on their own?

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not this shit again
look at UK,is Scotland & ireland  region decentralize from Great Britain?

econmy stagnant nothing todo with decentralize/centralise....its about highly capable human resources--no need to look further,its singapore & selangor(the richest state in malaysia which have nearly  no natural resources at all)both singapore & selangor state highly dependant on high educted human labour to propel the economy
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Does that look like one country to you ? How can you administer a country with a unitary template when the territories aren't even share a common border even geologically? That would translate to disparity.

Whats the point of developing human resources without providing economic opportunity to east malaysia ? wouldnt that mean skilled people from Sabah and Sarawak will travel to West Malaysia and work in Selangor instead of developing their own homeland? hence continuing the cycle of inequal development?

Anyway, Malaysia shouldn't put all its eggs in one basket.
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Does that look like one country to you ?  How can you administer a country with a unitary template when the territories aren't even share a common border even geologically? That would translate to disparity.

Whats the point of developing human resources without providing economic opportunity to east malaysia ? wouldnt that mean skilled people from Sabah and Sarawak will travel to West Malaysia and work in Selangor instead of developing their own homeland? hence continuing the cycle of inequal development?

Anyway, Malaysia shouldn't put all its eggs in one basket.
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lolololo,scotland & ireland how compared to Great Britain?both regions so developed compared to london?
btyw can u see sumatra & kalimantan region too?indon also centralised their gov at Jakarta(Java region)..look at Sumatra & Kalimatan population also,infact kalimantan is bigger than sabah&srawak combined yet much poorer(despite bigger population & bigger natural resources)
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lolololo,scotland & ireland how compared to Great Britain?both regions  so developed compared to london?
btyw can u see sumatra & kalimantan region too?indon also centralised their gov at Jakarta(Java region)..look at Sumatra & Kalimatan population also,infact kalimantan is bigger than sabah&srawak combined yet much poorer(despite bigger population & bigger natural resources)
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Indonesia is Java-centric, yes. Authoritarian yes.

When they tried to crack the whip on the provinces, people endured. But when push comes to shove , the provinces rebelled didn't they? resistance movements appeared all over Kalimantan, Sulawesi, Papua, Acheh and Timor2.

As a result, because of excessive centralism, Indonesia was almost dissolved. So to quell the fires, the central government relented and agreed to award provinces a degree of autonomy; of course there were hiccups at first when it was implemented but Indonesia's economy is currently growing faster than ever.

Because now the different provinces can manage their affairs without being constrained by Jakarta cracking its whip, they can create wealth to sustain their local economies and development needs. Central government doesn't need to drain resources trying to keep its vast provinces afloat when they can ' manage themselves' and provide assistence where necessary; everybody wins.

A good manager would not hoard all the tasks himself, but he delegates them in a strategic manner that optimizes productivity and improves efficiency.

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Mar 27 2013, 07:36 PM)
yeah..well singapore sure spend like tommorow will be WW3 whistling.gif
i wonder about brunei's capability,
they sure couldn't stand idle while their neighbours engage in military exercise and spending
wonder what the brunei are up to?? brows.gif
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Brunei is overrated. Its wealth is not as legendary as many think, and its military is weak that the Sultan pays tens of millions every year hiring British Gurkha to protect his family. SG pretty much have Brunei on the neck, and it actually station its soldiers in Brunei to train jungle warfare.

As the lesser partner in a shared currency system, Bruneian monetary policies is dictated by SG. Many multinationals in Brunei are operated through their branches in SG, who will decide its industrial direction. The country's money = Sultan's money, banked through Singaporean financial system therefore too much financial secrets of the royal family is known by SG government.

If SG says be quiet Brunei keeps quiet. Most of the time you rarely hear it voicing its opinion in international events.
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If SG says be quiet Brunei keeps quiet. Most of the time you rarely hear it voicing its opinion in international events.
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i thought it's more of apathy and lack of interest in world affairs than anything for their silence.
got oil, got money, life's good... why rock the boat?
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Brunei is overrated. Its wealth is not as legendary as many think, and its military is weak that the Sultan pays tens of millions every year hiring British Gurkha to protect his family. SG pretty much have Brunei on the neck, and it actually station its soldiers in Brunei to train jungle warfare.

As the lesser partner in a shared currency system, Bruneian monetary policies is dictated by SG. Many multinationals in Brunei are operated through their branches in SG, who will decide its industrial direction. The country's money = Sultan's money, banked through Singaporean financial system therefore too much financial secrets of the royal family is known by SG government.

If SG says be quiet Brunei keeps quiet. Most of the time you rarely hear it voicing its opinion in international events.
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Yet Malaysians attack Singapore instead of Brunei, Oh the irony hahahah
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Singapore will have Israel to protect them.
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who will protect malaysia from Philippines and Indonesia?
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Mar 27 2013, 09:30 PM)
i thought it's more of apathy and lack of interest in world affairs than anything for their silence.
got oil, got money, life's good... why rock the boat?
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It's very vocal in criticizing Israel, the only country it bans in the passport.
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who will protect malaysia from Philippines and Indonesia?
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PERKASA
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QUOTE(rivost @ Mar 27 2013, 09:38 PM)
It's very vocal in criticizing Israel, the only country it bans in the passport.
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i didn't know that.
makes sense with their whole religious and MIB thingy.
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PERKASA
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CANNOT, rumpun sama mana boleh gaduhhhh!!its imfosible!!! oh my wahabi!

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Malaysia forever losing.......
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Malaysia akan selamat selamanya. Ada Najib.
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PLA Navy amphibious task force reaches Malaysia 'to defend South China sea'
A Chinese amphibious task force sparks jitters around the region by reaching the southernmost waters of its claimed domain

Who will protect Malaysia from China? Najib? hahahah

seems like Malaysia will also need to work with Israel in this case.
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lolololo,scotland & ireland how compared to Great Britain?both regions  so developed compared to london?
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You always seem to roll out this two examples whenever a discussion for more autonomy for Sabah and Sarawak appears. Let me remind you that the island of Ireland was in such turmoil that half of their entire island was partitioned so that those who did not want to join UK had their own country. Scotland today have an active movement for independence. Mr. 007 himself, Sean Connery, is an active campaigner for Scottish independence.

Did you ever stop to think why these two regions want out of the UK? You yourself said it: they feel they aren't given fair treatment by those in London. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that if you treat your children badly, one day they will grow up and leave the house in anger?

All Sabah and Sarawak are asking is that the federal government treat them better. They still want to be in Malaysia. But if the feds keep shoving their peninsular-centric policies down East Malaysian throats, don't be surprised if one day they will simply lose the desire to stay in the federation.
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Malaysia akan selamat selamanya. Ada Najib.
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....and Rosmah. Foreign soldiers, once see her beauty, lose motivation to invade already.
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You always seem to roll out this two examples whenever a discussion for more autonomy for Sabah and Sarawak appears. Let me remind you that the island of Ireland was in such turmoil that half of their entire island was partitioned so that those who did not want to join UK had their own country. Scotland today have an active movement for independence. Mr. 007 himself, Sean Connery, is an active campaigner for Scottish independence.

Did you ever stop to think why these two regions want out of the UK? You yourself said it: they feel they aren't given fair treatment by those in London. Why is it so difficult for you to understand that if you treat your children badly, one day they will grow up and leave the house in anger?

All Sabah and Sarawak are asking is that the federal government treat them better. They still want to be in Malaysia. But if the feds keep shoving their peninsular-centric policies down East Malaysian throats, don't be surprised if one day they will simply lose the desire to stay in the federation.
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no more great britain cry.gif cry.gif , oni england n wales left........

btw sabah n sarawak will not hav the ability to b independent.......they will stil b colonised by other countries if they quit mahresia.......jz like taiwan, sabah n sarawak aborigines cant stand on their own n will b dictated by other races
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:06 PM)
no more great britain cry.gif  cry.gif , oni england n wales left........

btw sabah n sarawak will not hav the ability to b independent.......they will stil b colonised by other countries if they quit mahresia.......jz like taiwan, sabah n sarawak aborigines cant stand on their own n will b dictated by other races
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lol
u know when singapork left, Tun Tan Siew Sin (son of Cheng Lok and finance minister) declared singapork will not make it.

and we know how that turned out. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:06 PM)
no more great britain cry.gif  cry.gif , oni england n wales left........

btw sabah n sarawak will not hav the ability to b independent.......they will stil b colonised by other countries if they quit mahresia.......jz like taiwan, sabah n sarawak aborigines cant stand on their own n will b dictated by other races
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sarawak was independent from 1841 till 1941. the rest is history...
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:06 PM)
no more great britain cry.gif  cry.gif , oni england n wales left........

btw sabah n sarawak will not hav the ability to b independent.......they will stil b colonised by other countries if they quit mahresia.......jz like taiwan, sabah n sarawak aborigines cant stand on their own n will b dictated by other races
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thats what the british thought about you guys when they called asians the "white man's burden".
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lol
u know when singapork left, Tun Tan Siew Sin (son of Cheng Lok and finance minister) declared singapork will not make it.

and we know how that turned out.  whistling.gif
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singapore gt cainis, sarawak n sabah gt aborigines, they will b like taiwan, controlled by the cainis if they leave msia

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sarawak was independent from 1841 till 1941. the rest is history...
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sarawak was ruled by british during dat time, james brooke
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singapore gt cainis, sarawak n sabah gt aborigines, they will b like taiwan, controlled by the cainis if they leave msia
sarawak was ruled by british during dat time, james brooke
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see? malaya people only know how to see things from racial angle...
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singapore gt cainis, sarawak n sabah gt aborigines, they will b like taiwan, controlled by the cainis if they leave msia
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so? being ruled by semenanjung bumi any better?
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taiwan is better than malaysia thats for sure
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singapore gt cainis, sarawak n sabah gt aborigines, they will b like taiwan, controlled by the cainis if they leave msia
sarawak was ruled by british during dat time, james brooke
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brooke family ≠ british colony.

1850 - the united states recognized sarawak's sovereignty as an independent country

1863 - british govt recognize the sovereignty of sarawak

1888 - sarawak becomes a british protectorate

source: sarawak state govt almanac. not sure if theres an online version though... hmm.gif

sarawak was only under british in 1946 after the cession from charles vyner brooke in return for a pension.

but our history book portray the brooke family as british colonist. this later leads to the anti-cession movement and ther estoration of anthony brooke as their rajah and the fulfillment of 1941 constitution which promised self-rule by the natives with the rajah as a symbolic figurehead (much like our monarchy today)

it further leads to the murder of 2nd British governor by rosli dhoby and other members of rukun 13 in 1949.

sorry, lil history lectures sweat.gif
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see? malaya people only know how to see things from racial angle...
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jz telling the truth..... whistling.gif whistling.gif .........dats wat happened to taiwan last time
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brooke family ≠ british colony.

1850 - the united states recognized sarawak's sovereignty as an independent country

1863 - british govt recognize the sovereignty of sarawak

1888 - sarawak becomes a british protectorate

source: sarawak state govt almanac. not sure if theres an online version though... hmm.gif

sarawak was only under british in 1946 after the cession from charles vyner brooke in return for a pension.

but our history book portray the brooke family as british colonist. this later leads to the anti-cession movement and ther estoration of anthony brooke as their rajah and the fulfillment of 1941 constitution which promised self-rule by the natives with the rajah as a symbolic figurehead (much like our monarchy today)

it further leads to the murder of 2nd British governor by rosli dhoby and other members of rukun 13 in 1949.

sorry, lil history lectures  sweat.gif
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under brooke is technically under british....... icon_idea.gif
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sarawak is now techically one kingdom of its own, taib as king right?
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under brooke is technically under british....... icon_idea.gif
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brooke himself is an english subject. but the ruling of sarawak then was his own personal accord. he's not a diplomat neither he's a british representative. thus the establishment of the council negri (later known as today's DUN) whose members are locals in 1863 was to assist the administration of the states.
in any way, sarawak was not a british colony until 1946. only after 1946 london has any words and command on matters in sarawak. between 1841-1941, technically sarawak was a personal kingdom of the brooke family.

and thats why brooke family got their own coinage and stamps and revenue/tax books etc. and even passport.

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sarawak is now techically one kingdom of its own, taib as king right?
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quite unfortunately, yea... from "white rajahs" into "white-hair rajah" sweat.gif in any way, i suppose people today would prefer brooke's administration than under taib rolleyes.gif
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quite unfortunately, yea... from "white rajahs" into "white-hair rajah"  sweat.gif in any way, i suppose people today would prefer brooke's administration than under taib  rolleyes.gif
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n many malaysians prefer mahresia to be under british rule too whistling.gif whistling.gif ........than under Be end
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but lets not derail from the topic. biggrin.gif kinda hope malaysia will take its defense and security more seriously now with the incidents in sabah and the rise of china. not to mention the fact that indonesia stationed its newly acquired leopard 2 tanks in kalimantan iinm...

and hope theres no songlap too. whereas secrecy in security-related matters are understandable, but procedures need to be fine-tuned and audited or something.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:46 PM)
but lets not derail from the topic. biggrin.gif kinda hope malaysia will take its defense and security more seriously now with the incidents in sabah and the rise of china. not to mention the fact that indonesia stationed its newly acquired leopard 2 tanks in kalimantan iinm...

and hope theres no songlap too. whereas secrecy in security-related matters are understandable, but procedures need to be fine-tuned and audited or something.. smile.gif
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imagine those immigrants that are already in malaysia suddenly revolt, can we actually stop it?
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:46 PM)
but lets not derail from the topic. biggrin.gif kinda hope malaysia will take its defense and security more seriously now with the incidents in sabah and the rise of china. not to mention the fact that indonesia stationed its newly acquired leopard 2 tanks in kalimantan iinm...

and hope theres no songlap too. whereas secrecy in security-related matters are understandable, but procedures need to be fine-tuned and audited or something.. smile.gif
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shocking.gif MBT in Kalimantan? youre kidding.... thats a statement right there... but not sure if thats a wise idea...
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imagine those immigrants that are already in malaysia suddenly revolt, can we actually stop it?
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personally, i dont know. we've been complacent all these while i think. if all, and by that i mean ALL immigrants SUDDENLY (as in within 24-48 hours timeframe), i suppose that it would be very difficult to contain and manage. but such conflicts never benefit anyone i suppose, except for arms dealer.


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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 10:54 PM)
shocking.gif MBT in Kalimantan? youre kidding.... thats a statement right there... but not sure if thats a wise idea...
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source 1

source 2

source 3

cant verify how truthful this is. but its wise to be prepared. anyhow, legally, indonesia has no rights or claim over sarawak as sarawak was never under dutch. thus, itll be an invasion, directly against international law and norms.

edit: the sources are in indonesian btw.. sweat.gif too lazy to find one in english. but i read about it sometime late last year...

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Mar 26 2013, 11:36 PM)
yeah..well singapore sure spend like tommorow will be WW3 whistling.gif
i wonder about brunei's capability,
they sure couldn't stand idle while their neighbours engage in military exercise and spending
wonder what the brunei are up to?? brows.gif
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now brunei onli need arm forces for parade purpose
1. brunei got sultanate establishment same wit bolehland, for agong to go into war with them is next to imposible
2. for indon to come take brunei oso imposible cos need to cross bolehland
3. for pinoy come take them oso imposible for christian war on sultanate in muslim major region oso pinoy listen to evil american tat jaga brunei cos got oil tuhan bagi
4. for comunist cinaman come oso imposible cos american will bomb beijing first cos kacau oil yang dibagi oleh tuhan
5. for viet kong oso imposible cos viet kong not maritime power ship wont sail far
6. for thai oso imposible cos thai king is true folower of a truly religion of peace
7. for kambodia oso imposible cos kambodia dun have expedisen capable forces
8. for lanun oso imposible since deep into oil field rich region lanun will die first in bolehland hand
9. for american is posible but if american want brunei spent apasai oso waste money onli
so brunei as nature & demographical & tuhan atur fortress no need much & they oso know tat & comfortable
sultan brunei kuat kaya he not dumb dumb even if he dumb dumb he can hire some jew to sort things out for him
so brunei no give a fucuk wat other pipu do, they onli need to enjoy the rich from oil which tuhan bagi punya
i say onli these may not true laugh.gif

singapore is entirely difren scenario compare brunei distance like between earth & andromeda galaxy, but i malas tell dy ahaha
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lolololo,scotland & ireland how compared to Great Britain?both regions  so developed compared to london?
btyw can u see sumatra & kalimantan region too?indon also centralised their gov at Jakarta(Java region)..look at Sumatra & Kalimatan population also,infact kalimantan is bigger than sabah&srawak combined yet much poorer(despite bigger population & bigger natural resources)
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in your dream...Kaltim now much richer than Sabah...poor Sabah, better we give it to Suluk
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in your dream...Kaltim now much richer than Sabah...poor Sabah, better we give it to Suluk
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That's the truthful fact,btw Kaltim stand for Kalimantan East region not whole Kalimantan,Kalbar for West Kalimantan

Economic growth also meaningless if the wealth not shared among people,example petrol subsidy,despite indon much bigger oil deposit especialy in Kaltim offshore and Sumatra ,the whole indon til now zero petrol subsidy
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That's the truthful fact,btw Kaltim stand for Kalimantan East region not whole Kalimantan,Kalbar for West Kalimantan

Economic growth also meaningless if the wealth not shared among people,example petrol subsidy,despite indon much bigger oil deposit especialy in Kaltim offshore and Sumatra ,the whole indon til now zero petrol subsidy
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Do you know they're developing balikpapan port rapidly ? if malaysia ignores Labuan and the strategic brunei bay, malaysia will stand to lose out once balikpapan becomes the main port of call for shipping in the region
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Do you know they're developing balikpapan port rapidly ? if malaysia ignores Labuan and the strategic brunei bay, malaysia will stand to lose out once balikpapan becomes the main port of call for shipping in the region
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Hands up if Peninsular Malaysians even know where Labuan is.
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Hands up if Peninsular Malaysians even know where Labuan is.
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deafening silence.. lol
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stop relying on Putrajaya - they got 'tons' of problem in thier own backyard. push for 'self-determinations/autonomy', this-way all wealths in Sabah will stay in Sabah. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Jediknight8820 @ Mar 28 2013, 10:35 AM)
stop relying on Putrajaya - they got 'tons' of problem in thier own backyard. push for 'self-determinations/autonomy', this-way all wealths in Sabah will stay in Sabah. whistling.gif
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Whats the problem with self-reliance? At least it would be better than today, where Sabah dont even have enough $$$ to defend itself against pirates and maybe Philippines in the future.

Your 'suggestions ' are based on a flawed premise, how could self determination and autonomy be blamed when both governments were denied self governance? When Sabah still had self governance, it was among the richest states in Malaysia but reverse that, Sabah gets condemned into the stone age.

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