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post Mar 27 2013, 09:46 AM, updated 13y ago

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Singapore and Indonesia are not just respectively the wealthiest and the most populous nation in Southeast Asia, they are also the two biggest military spenders in the region. While the Singaporean defense budget is projected at US$9.92 billion this year, the biggest in South-east Asia, Indonesia is catching up and has scheduled to increase its spending to US$7.98 billion. The two single-handedly account for 48 percent of all Southeast Asian military expenditure.

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Singapore, Indonesia rush to polish up their weapons and militaries

Technology-wise, Indonesia lags Singapore by bounds and leaps, but the country has massive military industries and also the manpower, being the fourth most populous nation in the world. Diplomatically, Singapore has security arrangements with the U.K., Australia and the United States, who would come to its aid upon any external aggression. The U.S. Western Pacific command has been headquartered in Singapore since 1992, providing logistic support for the U.S. 7th Fleet in its operations in the Pacific and Southeast Asia.

Formed in 1967, the Singaporean Armed Forces (SAF) provided strategic insurance in a Muslim neighbourhood that has often viewed the Republic's predominantly Chinese population with suspicion, if not animosity. But Singapore's relations with Malaysia and Indonesia have improved markedly in recent years; it is now Malaysia biggest trading partner and Indonesia no.1 foreign investor.

Analysts are not predicting any conflict soon or in near future though. An attack on the island will likely bring down its two neighbor's economies, and also angered Thailand, with whom Singapore has friendly military relationship and who hosted parts of its airforce, Myanmar, whose generals have deep affection for the island that helped it through the years of Western sanctions, and Vietnam, where Singapore is currently investing billions into 930 development projects across the country.

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Singapore has the best-equipped and most advanced military in the region

Singapore however, is building its own high-tech arms industry. The country is seeking a place in the global weaponry industry by exploiting its own technological expertise. ST Engineering is Southeast Asian largest defense manufacturer and the only company in the region to be ranked on the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute's list of the world's top 100 defense contractor. Singapore has long sold weapons to other developing countries, but has recently been winning its first large orders from Western armies too.

The tiny island is now one of the world's top suppliers of 40mm ammunition as well as portable weapons like the CIS 40mm Automatic Grenade Launcher. The British Army's 115 Broncos - first deployed in Afghanistan in 2010 and dubbed the "Warthogs" - are ST Engineering's pride, and billed as the first armored vehicles built for a Western army by an Asian firm. Its aviation arm ST Aerospace is the largest independent aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul provider in the world. The company is mainly owned by Temasek Holdings, controlled by the government of Singapore.

Indonesia is also powering up its military. For the first time in recent histories, the Indonesian defense ministry has money in its pocket, thanks to a booming economy. It is now shopping for tanks, multiple launch rocket systems, a guided missile destroyer, F-16s, Su-30 Sukhoi fighters, Australian C-130 transport planes, and at least three new South Korean submarines. The Indonesian government is projecting a sharp increase of defense budget to US$15 billion by 2015.

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Indonesia has abundant resources, huge manpower and a deep military tradition

The numbers are highly significant, because a Southeast Asia in which Indonesia has a US$15 billion defense budget will look like a very different place; it would see Indonesia overtake Singapore as the region's biggest military spender, and leave others like Malaysia and Thailand trailing a long way behind. It is yet to be seen whether Singapore will allow that to happen.

Last week, Indonesia announced it plans to buy more than a dozen Russian Sukhoi fighter jets as part of a $15 billion five-year campaign to modernise its military. Singapore, who possesses the most powerful airforce in Southeast Asia, is also expected to purchase 12 Lockheed Martin's next generation F-35Bs fighter jets next week, and 63 more over time. The Singaporean decision will make it something of a Pacific air power - with 50 to 100 Australian F-35As, 42 F-35As in Japan, and 75 F-35Bs in Singapore.

Indonesia says it is wary of being left behind as China, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand and other Asian nations ramp up defense spending, but also warned that rapidly increasing military spending and stronger defence capabilities in the region could sow distrust and fuel rivalry. "If this is not accompanied by enhanced transparency that improves trust and confidence, it could run the risk of an arms race that adversely impacts on peace and stability," defense minister Purnomo Yusgiantorosaid said.

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Singapore's ST Engineering is Southeast Asia biggest weaponry company

As Southeast Asia's economies boomed, defense spending grew 42 percent in real terms from 2002 to 2011, data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute shows. High on the list are warships, patrol boats, radar systems and combat planes, along with submarines and anti-ship missiles that are particularly effective in denying access to sea lanes.

"Submarines are a big thing," said Tim Huxley, executive director for Asia at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. "They can do immense damage without being seen, without being anticipated, and they can do that anywhere in the region." Malaysia has two Scorpene submarines and Vietnam is buying six Kilo-class submarines from Russia. Thailand also plans to buy submarines and its Gripen warplanes from Sweden's Saab AB.

Singapore has been pumping money to maintain its regional air superiority and two Archer-class submarines from Sweden to supplement the four Challenger submarines and powerful surface navy and air force it already has. Indonesia has two submarines now and has ordered three new ones from South Korea. It is also working with Chinese firms on manufacturing C-705 and C-802 anti-ship missiles after test-firing a Russian-built Yakhont anti-ship missile in 2011.

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Asia-Pacific biggest military spenders


Source:

http://defense.aol.com/2013/03/25/singapor...e-of-12-f-35bs/

http://www.economist.com/node/21551056

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=105005

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indone...ol-ships/580915

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/07/...E8960JY20121007
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post Mar 27 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 11:40 AM)
i Hope Malaysians wake up to the sobering reality that the Philippine and Indonesian Government are not your friends no matter how far your "roots" may go.

Do Malaysians evenĀ  remember what MAPHILINDO is?

These two faced shits only work as far as it benefits themselves. Once the climate is right, they'd stab you in the back in a heartbeat. Bury the imperial age ! Its over! why build bridges when they keep burning it down?
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They sure know, but there are just too many who believe working with SG is a type of sin and racial betrayal. They see SG as 'big satan' and ID/PH as 'tiny satans'. America the 'super satan' while Israel 'mega satan'.

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post Mar 27 2013, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(omaryoma @ Mar 27 2013, 12:56 PM)
no no no no.....singapore are the biggest threat of malaysia...... indonesia should be malaysia's ally....
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Totally the biggest threat! If only Singapore has the 'right' demographic structure, just like Brunei.... the threat will automatically disappear, even giving away oil fields also no problem. rclxms.gif
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post Mar 27 2013, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 01:36 PM)
i think indonesia will one day attack mahresia to reunify the great malay kingdom.....
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The concept is actually already there, called 'Indonesia Raya'

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Some nationalists believe it should also include southern Philippines and southern Thailand. Strangely, Papua New Guinea is never included.

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post Mar 27 2013, 02:20 PM

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The Chinese population in Singapore surpassed Malays in 1826

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Nothing much can be done now, just like Australia (Aborigines) or the US (Red Indians), but I guess respect can be given by acknowledging its Malay roots. The constitution of Singapore already recognize them as indigenous people.

This was Singapore in 1826 smile.gif

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post Mar 27 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 02:22 PM)
Singapore is so small you could probably wipe them out with 2 or more B-52s provided the bombers slip through the air defenses...
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The moment you intrude SG airspace you would be intercepted by ASEAN most powerful airforce. I think I read news somewhere before a Thai private jet tried to enter the airspace without permission and SG sent 2 fighter jets to hunt it immediately.
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post Mar 27 2013, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Mar 27 2013, 02:45 PM)
if indon n msia attack singapork scorce earth war...rampage singapork until all destroy...when usa come take back nothing left
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ID hates MY more than it hates SG
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post Mar 27 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Walter White @ Mar 27 2013, 03:02 PM)
erh, they easily invaded and defeated cambodia,

in fact they are the only SEA country that have conquer another SEA country in the post colonial era
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That time Khmer Rouge just killed 1/3 of its own population, economy bankrupted, military so demoralized and underfunded. Once Viet launched full scale invasion Cambodia fell in 13 days.
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post Mar 27 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Hahamall @ Mar 27 2013, 03:14 PM)
Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength....
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In modern day, Israel shattered the common perception that 'bigger armies win'. 264,000 troops vs 547,000 in 6-day war.
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post Mar 27 2013, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 03:18 PM)
Stop undermining our OWN military forces and stop trying to make Singapore looks like they're some sort of 'world power'. We have intercepted a lot of planes that got into our airspace without problems. The most recent I heard, which I couldn't confirm its truth, is that we intercepted a fighter plane from Singapore or Thailand(I don't remember) within minutes of it reaching our airspace.
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No one think SG is a world power, but it is a recognized regional power.

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post Mar 27 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 03:43 PM)
No it certainly is not.

Small population, GDP ranking of 40 compared to our ranking of 30, no crude oil or natural gas production with no proven reserves, almost total dependence on fossil fuels for energy production... There are so much to go on with...
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The description of population, GDP, natural resource sound a bit like Israel, Middle East regional power.
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post Mar 27 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 03:02 PM)
looking at the rate they are spending on military kinda makes you wonder what Indonesia is actually preparing for...
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A more powerful Majapahit empire
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post Mar 27 2013, 04:47 PM

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Singapore is currently at its peak, it should be able to maintain the edge for another 1 or 2 decades. After that we all know Indonesia will become the strongest country in SEA. Those who offended it in the past will suffer.
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post Mar 27 2013, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 05:27 PM)
Nah... by that time Malaysia will be linked with Singapore, and both countries will pawn everyone. lol

Not far fetched if you think about Singapore- Malaysia relations these days...

both are in favor of linking the two countries economically and trends only point to increased collaboration. With the construction of Malaysia-Singapore transport connection, Iskandariah development among others, pretty soon our countries will be meshed with each other.

Singapore has no choice but to buy up properties in Malaysia to expand, and Singapore dollars augurs well for malaysia.
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Might work in theories, but when SG begins to control more and more of the economy, 'things' will happen
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post Mar 27 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Mar 27 2013, 07:36 PM)
yeah..well singapore sure spend like tommorow will be WW3 whistling.gif
i wonder about brunei's capability,
they sure couldn't stand idle while their neighbours engage in military exercise and spending
wonder what the brunei are up to?? brows.gif
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Brunei is overrated. Its wealth is not as legendary as many think, and its military is weak that the Sultan pays tens of millions every year hiring British Gurkha to protect his family. SG pretty much have Brunei on the neck, and it actually station its soldiers in Brunei to train jungle warfare.

As the lesser partner in a shared currency system, Bruneian monetary policies is dictated by SG. Many multinationals in Brunei are operated through their branches in SG, who will decide its industrial direction. The country's money = Sultan's money, banked through Singaporean financial system therefore too much financial secrets of the royal family is known by SG government.

If SG says be quiet Brunei keeps quiet. Most of the time you rarely hear it voicing its opinion in international events.
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post Mar 27 2013, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Mar 27 2013, 09:30 PM)
i thought it's more of apathy and lack of interest in world affairs than anything for their silence.
got oil, got money, life's good... why rock the boat?
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It's very vocal in criticizing Israel, the only country it bans in the passport.
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post Mar 27 2013, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(Pukul Tak Mati @ Mar 27 2013, 09:50 PM)
Malaysia akan selamat selamanya. Ada Najib.
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....and Rosmah. Foreign soldiers, once see her beauty, lose motivation to invade already.

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