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post Mar 27 2013, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:23 AM)
They don't have a MBT before that, did they?

Besides, with their excellent road infrastructure I'd think they can be deployed rapidly in any situation.
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officially they used to have a number of french amx-13 light tanks, bought 2nd hand from israel. some supposedly have battle scars from 6-day war.
they also have some 2nd hand centurions from india/israel - never officially confirmed nor denied.
now replaced with the up-armored leo2.

the idea is rapid incursion via the north-south highway. they won't want to get suckered into jungle fighting.
for jungle fighting, they'd probably run-around in the bionix ifv.
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post Mar 27 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 27 2013, 10:34 AM)
They already got the leopard way before our pendekar comes in.

"Their" excellent road, not ours or any other country in the region.
Look at what those lorry did to our roads, it's sink or swim here.

Most of the their tank is stored in aussie,
rapid deployment is maybe delayed.
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iirc we announced the purchase of the pendekar first? cos the leos were only bought in 2008 or so.
again, from what i've been told most of their heavy weapons are stored underground somewhere.
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post Mar 27 2013, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Mar 27 2013, 10:49 AM)
Just like USA's "Shock and Awe"campaign at  iraq 10years ago?don't know how many thousands of  US personnels died since that
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Just like IDF kick Arab butt in 6-day war? Habis kantoi in 6 days. rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 27 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 11:59 AM)
Malaysia doesn't realise it is in the same boat as Singapore was. She is surrounded by hostile neighbours who will stop at nothing to see its destruction. Is it a wonder that this sentiment is prevalent to this day ?
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lol. turn back to 1991.
Singapore national day (9th Aug).
Suddenly MY-INA decide to hold paratroop exercise just kilometers away from sg border.

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Motive behind misreading of book on SAF
by David Boey

BILATERAL ties between Singapore and Malaysia have gone through a bad patch
lately, with verbal spats turning distinctly belligerent. Malaysian Foreign
Minister Syed Hamid Albar said on Dec 31 last year: 'Singapore has two choices:
If it refuses to compromise, go to war.'

Adding to the strain were reports in Malaysian newspapers that used extracts
from a book by British academic Tim Huxley, titled Defending The Lion City: The
Armed Forces Of Singapore, out of context.

Dr Huxley supervised my master's dissertation on Singapore's defence policy
when I studied at the University of Hull in England several years ago. The
preface of his contentious book cites a Singaporean journalist who 'contributed
substantially to my knowledge of the subject'.

I am the journalist mentioned. I will point out later how his book has been
misread. But first, some comments on Singapore-Malaysia political
brinkmanship.

A similarly tense period occurred in 1991 when Malaysia and Indonesia staged
joint military manoeuvres, code-named Exercise Malindo Darsasa 3AB, on
peninsular Malaysia from July to August. This was then the largest military
exercise between Malaysia and Indonesia.

The highlight of the exercise involved dropping paratroops in southern Johor,
just 18 km from Singapore's border. The airborne landing site was just minutes
away by car from the Causeway.

From Singapore's perspective, the exercise was seen as a deliberate ploy to
test how the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) would react to a large-scale military
exercise on its doorstep.

And lest Singapore's defence planners missed the message, the airdrop was
codenamed Pukul Habis (Malay for 'Total Wipeout'). It was also executed with
unprecedented proximity to Singapore on Aug 9 - Singapore's National Day.


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post Mar 27 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 01:02 PM)
mahathir's doing?
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i can't remember the exact reason. but of course tdm was around, so was suharto.
lky had just stepped down, maybe they wanted to test the new man in charge (goh)?
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post Mar 27 2013, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 02:02 PM)
Modern Singapore is built by the British and the Chinese though. the Malays have nothing to do with modern Singapore, can't see why they would think it would belong to them now
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the malays and indians also got contribute bro.
guys like yusof ishak, rajaratnam etc.
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post Mar 27 2013, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 02:33 PM)
I don't think SG that far behind HK leh, in terms of economy
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HK stock market is much bigger than sg.

some things HK have that sg jelly:
1. good food
2. more freedom of speech/assembly
3. backing from big bro china
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post Mar 27 2013, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(Weldon29 @ Mar 27 2013, 02:37 PM)
both HK  pipu and SG pipu hate PRCs

and I don't think SG pipu think they lose to HK in terms of food. They seem especially proud of it
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lol the hongkies may not like the PRCs much, but they're smart enough to understand they need big bro.

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post Mar 27 2013, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Walter White @ Mar 27 2013, 02:50 PM)
singapore and indon try to be top military power in asean?

what about vietnam, the country in south east asia with by far the best war record, have fight war with japan, france, USA and China.
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i think it's also in terms of power projection.
vietnam is incredibly good at letting enemy come in, then slowly fark them up; but i highly doubt they can easily invade and defeat other SEA countries on enemy soil.

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post Mar 27 2013, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Walter White @ Mar 27 2013, 03:02 PM)
erh, they easily invaded and defeated cambodia,

in fact they are the only SEA country that have conquer another SEA country in the post colonial era
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true. but that was cambodia under the khymer rouge. practically a failed state.
i don't think they would win if they try it now.

QUOTE(rivost @ Mar 27 2013, 03:06 PM)
ID hates MY more than it hates SG
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true.
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post Mar 27 2013, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Hahamall @ Mar 27 2013, 03:14 PM)
Yeah, let me just quote something here. I think this is base on overall strength
1. Vietnam
Vietnam, like many other states in Indochina, had been underestimated many times. Vietnam has the fastest growing economy in Southeast Asia, though they're still relatively poor. Its army is the biggest in the world and if its reserved troops and paramilitary troops are counted, they have the second biggest army in the world. They also have the third biggest population in SEA. It has been involved in the 2 major wars against the 2 biggest major powers, defeated US, and a short later defeated China's invasion under a Chinese's fake reason of Kmer-China relation. More than 400 tanks of China force were destroyed and (around 250,000 both Chinese and Vietnamese troops dead) in that 1 month war. Chinese casualty claim: 6,900 killed, 15,000 wounded.[3] Western source: 26,000 killed, 37,000 wounded and 420 tanks destroyed.

2. Indonesia
Indonesia has the biggest population and land in the region. Their GDP is by far the highest in Southeast Asia. Indonesia is also the most powerful country in Southeast Asia politically. It is one of the founding members of ASEAN and APEC and they also have the third largest army in Southeast Asia after Vietnam and Burma. They're like the China of Southeast Asia.

3. Malaysia
Malaysia is one of the most technologically advanced nations in Southeast Asia. Just after Brunei and Singapore, they have the biggest GDP per capita. Though their army might not be the biggest or one of the biggest in SEA, it is certainly the second most technologically advanced after Singapore. They are also a founding member of APEC and ASEAN. Malaysia is sort of like the Japan of SEA.

4. Thailand
Thailand was the most visited country in SEA (before their political crisis). Their GDP is the second largest in SEA after Indonesia's. They also have the fourth largest army in SEA. Thailand is like the France of SEA.

5. The Philippines/Singapore
I had a hard time deciding which should be the fifth most powerful, so I'll say both are. The Philippines has the second biggest population and the third biggest GDP in SEA. The Philippines also has one of the biggest armies in SEA.
Singapore is the second richest country in SEA in terms of GDP per capita. It is SEA's main economic capital and despite the fact that they don't have natural resources, its economy is doing quite well. Singapore is also the most technologically advanced country in SEA.
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lol. size of army is not representative of quality.
china has a freaking large army, but the US can easily match them with a smaller army.
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QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 03:22 PM)
its going to happen again. Indonesia's economy is growing rapidly but most of this is on hot-air, does Indonesia produce anything made in indonesia? Manufacturing is growing too slow... meanwhile Philippines is industrializing pretty rapidly as we speak despite their laughable military but problems still persist with regards to protectionist policies, which I feel, isn't going to go anytime soon.
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erm indonesia is going to be the next manufacturing superpower/or is already there.
yes it's the lower-end stuff right now, but i think they can very quickly catch-up with MY.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 03:38 PM)
rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  wth is dis.........vietnam powerful?? hav big army doesnt mean the army is powerful, we r not in an era of having more horses and bayonets means having a stronger army......

malaysian army is strong, but both thailand and indonesia r fast catching up with us.......soon they will b stronger than us......

phillipines army also one of the weakest army in SEA, they dont even hav a fighter jet fyi......
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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Mar 27 2013, 03:43 PM)
No it certainly is not.

Small population, GDP ranking of 40 compared to our ranking of 30, no crude oil or natural gas production with no proven reserves, almost total dependence on fossil fuels for energy production... There are so much to go on with...
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u have to look beyond raw GDP numbers.
they might be small, but they have the ears of the major powers.

QUOTE(Einjahr @ Mar 27 2013, 03:48 PM)
decentralisation as to enable Malaysian states and nation-states to govern themselves without being wretched by incessant bureaucratic policies and red-tape. One such example is the Cabbotage-Policy. If done properly, it would make the value chain more efficient and increase productivity.
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this. look at pg. want to build freaking MRT also control by federal. WTF.
look at US. their states are powerful and their independence in many areas results in a stronger overall union.
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QUOTE(rivost @ Mar 27 2013, 09:22 PM)
If SG says be quiet Brunei keeps quiet. Most of the time you rarely hear it voicing its opinion in international events.
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i thought it's more of apathy and lack of interest in world affairs than anything for their silence.
got oil, got money, life's good... why rock the boat?
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QUOTE(rivost @ Mar 27 2013, 09:38 PM)
It's very vocal in criticizing Israel, the only country it bans in the passport.
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i didn't know that.
makes sense with their whole religious and MIB thingy.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:06 PM)
no more great britain cry.gif  cry.gif , oni england n wales left........

btw sabah n sarawak will not hav the ability to b independent.......they will stil b colonised by other countries if they quit mahresia.......jz like taiwan, sabah n sarawak aborigines cant stand on their own n will b dictated by other races
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lol
u know when singapork left, Tun Tan Siew Sin (son of Cheng Lok and finance minister) declared singapork will not make it.

and we know how that turned out. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Mar 27 2013, 10:17 PM)
singapore gt cainis, sarawak n sabah gt aborigines, they will b like taiwan, controlled by the cainis if they leave msia
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so? being ruled by semenanjung bumi any better?

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