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 Fixed Deposit Rates in Malaysia V4, Please read 1st post.

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post Apr 2 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(vince660 @ Apr 2 2013, 04:40 PM)
Hi all, I hope u guys can help me on an issue I face. I'm actually developing a system to manage fixed deposits for long term tracking. I'm still quite blur on the actual formula used by banks.
As you can see, I used formula like this:
Interest = (rate/100) * (days) * (principal amount) / 365. (I read somewhere that banks use 365 method and not considering leap years).

With reference to the chart attached, the actual value for that red box in an actual statement is 5229.60. My system generated to 5229.63, additional 3 cents. I have tried to used long term precision, ie. more than 2 decimal places in computation, hoping to get it right but still resulted in deviation.

Can anyone be able to provide some info?

Additional Info: the case above is an auto-renewed FD placement starting all the way back from the first date in 2011. It is a one month placement, so the interest added up month to month. I believe the 3% interest is correct throughout the whole period, if wrong, pls correct me.

For information, there is also another old thread:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/689034/all
which cover some lengthy discussions about that formula, which I gathered some info from.
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For 3 sen differences? It just could be the rounding error. May be you should try 10 decimal points rclxm9.gif

In general , On auto-renewed FD the interest will be added on only after the maturity date. Example, HL junior FD the interest is credited quarterly in the saving account, not added onto the principal and compounded again..
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post Apr 2 2013, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Apr 2 2013, 06:08 PM)
I have a question about OCBC Smart Savers:

(1) If I place a 3 months FD Bonus Saver bundled with Smart Savers on 3 April 2013, it will mature on 3 July 2013.

(2) And if I place second 3 months FD Bonus Saver bundled with Smart Savers on 15 April 2013.

When my first Bonus Saver matures on 3 July 2013, how do I withdraw my
first 1/3 of money in Smart Savers on 3 July 2013 if I do not want to get 0.5% interest, since my 2 amount of funds are combined in the same Smart Saver account?

I know the solution is to have 2 Smart Savers accounts so 2 funds will
not have conflict of interest when make withdrawals.

What if I want to place 3rd Bonus Savers on the same months?

I just called to OCBc Hotline for this issue, they suggested me to
talk to the branch to see if they allow me to have additional Smart
Savers accounts?

Any suggestions?
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Husband one account and wife one account. Second FD placed into either account. Ocbc has became smarter and closed all the loop holes of not allowing husand and wife opening a joint account (third) .
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post Apr 3 2013, 10:18 PM

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All the long, I thought premature FD withdrawal will not be given any interest. Actually it happened to me a few times, no interest was given.

This time I asked at the Public bank counter as I wanted to withdraw my NZ foreign currency FD. The exchange rate is good but the interest is low. The officer checked and said only after a person has kept for at least 15 days, interest will still be given but at half the contract rate.

Just to share in case some of you need to do premature withdrawal....
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post Apr 4 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Apr 4 2013, 08:46 AM)
As far as I recollect, most Islamic FD has the early upliftment clause in black & white. Why not compile data on which banks has early upliftment clause benefits?

1. Gsc has said foreign currency FD, 15 days above is eligible.
2. MBB islamic fd above 3 mths is also eligible.
3. BR fd above 3 mths is also eligible.

Others ? rolleyes.gif
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The upliftment policy is dependent on the bank, in my case is Public bank.
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post Apr 5 2013, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Apr 4 2013, 07:44 PM)
Hi guys...for OCBC's FD deal of 4.5% for 3 months, can you help me to verify if my calculation is correct?

Let's say I put in RM50k into FD and as per their requirement, another RM25k into the savings:

FD (50,000 x 4.5% / 12 months) x 3 months = 562.5
Savings (25,000 x 2.9% / 12 months) x 3 months = 181.25

Total = 743.75 for 3 months

I took 2.9% as the savings interest rate as I think it's their latest.

Also, what do you think of this deal? Is it worthy of deposit? I'm thinking to do so next week once my other FDs are matured, so appreciate your thoughts smile.gif
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Your calculation is slightly incorrect because to emjoy 2.9% rate, you have to deposit 1000 in month2 and month 3. This will add on to your principal of 50k+ 25k + 1k + 1k = RM 77k.
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post Apr 5 2013, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Apr 5 2013, 03:56 AM)
In order to get 2.9% in your Smart Savers, you have to deposit at least RM 1000 into Smart Savers every month.
If you have time to deposit RM 1000 during the first day of the month, then your RM 1000 will get 2.9% interest
for the whole month. Please refer to the first page page of this thread.
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There is no need to deposit RM 1000 on the first day of the month, as long as you deposit RM 1000 any day of the month, you total fund inside bonus saver will be calculated at 2.9% interest for the entire month.
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post Apr 5 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(BoomChaCha @ Apr 5 2013, 10:33 PM)
You are right. As long as deposit RM 1000 into Smart Savers any date of the month, the fund in Smart Savers will get 2.9% for
the whole month.

This is what I was trying to say:
If we deposit RM 1000 into Smart Savers during the first day of the month, this RM 1000 will get 2.9% for the whole month; let's
say if we deposit RM 1000 into Smart Savers during 15th of the month, this RM 1000 will get 2.9% interest from 15th until the end
of the month.

I think you should put Smart Savers instead of bonus saver.
Because Bonus Savers consists of FD plus CASA (one of them is Smart Savers)

When your are talking about total fund inside Bonus Saver, the interest will calculate roughly 3.96% (FD + Smart Savers), but
not 2.9% interest; 2.9% interest is for Smart Savers alone.
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If we deposit RM 1000 into Smart Savers during the first day of the month, this RM 1000 will get 2.9% for the whole month;
let's say if we deposit RM 1000 into Smart Savers during 15th of the month, this RM 1000 will get 2.9% interest from 15th until the end of the month.

On 2nd case it is true the RM 1000 will get 2.9% from 15th onwards but the original amount in the Smart Saver will still earn 2.9% interest for the entire month which is similar to the case of depositing on 1st of the month.
RM1000, interest 2.9%, daily interest is RM 0.079 or RM 2.38 for 30 days.
Thus no point to purposely go to deposit RM 1000 on 1st day of the month. Go any day whenever a person is near to Ocbc bank...
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post Apr 5 2013, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(gotham11 @ Apr 5 2013, 10:32 PM)
Hi Sifus out there.. not sure anyone think of this?
Instead of FD, I am thinking of offer my brother RM200K in his flexi housing loan, he continue to pay his installment, and by end of the year, he shall pay me 5% interest, not sure whether the interest that saved will be more than the 5% that I charged? to make this deal worthwhile to be win-win situation?
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Let me try to answer this, correct me if I am wrong.

Your brother loan term and interest is unknown and it is tedious to calculate.
This is because some bank loans offers BLR-2.5% throughout the loan period, some offers first 2 years -2.5% only or reducing rate first 10 years or fixed rate throughout?

A very simple and quick estimate method is find out what is his installment per month now. Call the bank and ask what will be the monthly installment if he banks in RM200k.

Current installment X
New installment Y
Saving on principal and interest = X-Y = Z
Number of outstanding months to pay = A
Total installment to pay till loan is over = Z x A
Loan amount = B
Interest paid throughout loan period = (Z-A) - B
Take this interest divide by the A = estimated monthly interest paid = C
Yearly interest saved = 12 month x C

Compare this number against the interest he has to pay you which is RM 200k at 5 % = RM 10000.

Through this way you are loosing out on the compounded interest you could have earned. But for own brother.....may be it is okay

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post Apr 6 2013, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(gotham11 @ Apr 6 2013, 10:13 AM)
Thks for advise. Actually. Housing loan interest is different from fd rate. As the principal will reduce gradually and the intwrest portion is much hogher during the initial stage of loan. While I am only consider the flexi housing loan.. So collateral issue is not there as we are not settling the loan. We are nerely put in the lump sum to avoid the interest part and his monthly installment remain the sane which will enable him to settke the loan sooner. When I need the money I can also withdraw from this flexi loan acct.
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If you are looking for fund from your brother flexi home loan, you might as well deposit into FD where you are allow to either partial withdraw or withdraw agaist your FD. Other members are correct that when come to money, brotherhood may not appear ..
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post Apr 6 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(icelc @ Apr 6 2013, 04:48 PM)
If my bonus saver due on 5th june, withdraw using bankers cheque. Does it consider a fresh fund if I bank in the cheque back to OCBC for another 3 months bonus saver? Or i need to bank the cheque into another bank and issue a other cheque to OCBC?
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Only freah fund means the cheque should not cone from OCbc. You can IBG in the morning to your other bank X cuurent account and open bonus saver with your personal cheque from bank X ..

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post Apr 8 2013, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Apr 8 2013, 09:23 PM)
Yeah, the bank memang calculate from all angles, cannot outdo them, lol...
I have some questions on this offer, hope you or other forumers can help me clarify.

In regards to the Smart Saver account:
1) If I were to deposit at two different dates, it will still go to the same account, yes? Or can we have two SS accounts for two FDs?
2) As you know, once we withdraw from the account, the 2.9% will drop. So what happens for those who want to continue in the next promotion term? Meaning cannot withdraw until we decide to not continue/no more promo? If yes, then the money will be stuck in there kan?

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1) yes. Only one SS account per person or open FD and SS in another Ocbc branch.
2) I think the only way is opening up in different Ocbc branches and close the SS when mature. Reopen again when needs to
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post Apr 10 2013, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 9 2013, 05:01 PM)

You mustn't withdraw your money in the SS though, failing which, you wouldn't achieve the effective rate as you intended. Anyway, the effective rate for you second round of Bonus Saver FD placement will not be 3.9 any more because the ratio of fund in SS account @ 2.9% is higher in the second placement (because you can't withdraw the 1st placement). You probably getting 3.6% effective for your second round placement.

Last but not least, for 3.6%.....I think other banks got better offer.. whistling.gif  OCBC is tricky.......but we are smarter.  rclxms.gif
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You are right the second and sebsequent round are even lesser than 3.9%....one member mentuioned can open many SS account in the same branch....I did ask the bank before but the answer is no..looks like I need to do it in another branch?
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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 10 2013, 11:23 AM)
Interesting, I will try it this week via online banking. Any min amount?

I plan to continue the FD combo but I don't want to keep the rest in SS which will only earn 2.9% rate.

1) FD combo - matured on 15 Apr (1/3 in SS)
2) FD in another bank - matured on 20 Apr

I plan to combine the amount in FD combo with the FD matured on 20 Apr to open a new FD combo but by using a new SS account so that the fund in early SS can be withdrawn after 30 Apr. Possible with your method?  hmm.gif
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15 apr withdraw everything and close SS. 20 Apr open new combo and new SS. you will get 0.5 % interest on SS but you can "recycle" your SS fund or

Transfer FD into SS on 15 april, close and withdraw SS on 30 April. 20 Apr transfer matured FD into SS. 1 May open new FD combo and SS. In April you will get full 2.9%

Calculate and compare interest lost and gain as you know only the principal amount.

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post Apr 10 2013, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Apr 10 2013, 11:47 AM)
I still don't know why it's gonna be lesser than 3.9% icon_question.gif
But assuming so, then I guess for the first time deposit, just hantam a big amount into it and move on to other FDs after 3-4 months.
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Month 1 FD 20k, SS 10k

Month 2 FD 20 k, SS 10k + 1k (to get 2.9%)
New FD 40k deposited, SS (10k + 1k) + 20k (together with new FD)

Month 3 FD (20k+40k), SS (10k + 1k + 20k + 1k [to get 2.9%]

Month 4,
earlier deposited FD mature can be withdrawn BUT the SS if withdrawn will affect the new SS (20k), 0.5% interest only

This means your early SS fund (RM10k) is geting 2.9% interest the most, in month 4 month 5 month 6 till the the second FD (RM40k) is mature....

Rough estimate interest earned on the first SS is 3.48% if continued for month 4, 5, 6...and 3.32% if continue for the month 7, 8, 9.....that is why the forum members are thinking to withdraw the SS so that can earn higher interest like 3.85% in Hong Leong junior FD

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post Apr 10 2013, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Apr 10 2013, 03:45 PM)
I thought you said invest in biz, making money money money ? How come June pulak ? Then the 90%  balance rm2 million+ where you park ?

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Haha....he is happy with the interest RM800+ every month and treat this RM2 million + idle till june
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post Apr 10 2013, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ Apr 10 2013, 07:44 PM)
Ohhh...wahhh...really calculate to the dot. Don't know how would I ever be able to see things beyond the simple calculation sad.gif
Thanks a lot for this and your patience!

Then I guess to make it more straightforward for people like me, best if I just put in a big sum for this promotion to get the max out of it without thinking about the 2nd or 3rd round + the further complication of SS account. I mean, easier if I just deposit let's say 150k (100k FD + 50K SS) rather than put in 75k today and 75k next week.

Anyone knows what will happen to the SS account if we close or left it idle after this and maybe 1 year later if there's any other different promo that ties in to SS, will there be any impact?
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SS provides up to 2.9% interest which is good if a person needs some liquid cash in one or two months time but do not want to have FD. Just Deposit RM50 can at least get the interest rate of 2.5% which is pretty good compare to other saving account..
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QUOTE(1282009 @ Apr 11 2013, 01:00 AM)
Thanks for the suggestion. I've a question on the bold font. If I open new FD on 1 May, the SS needs to be a new one or else I still need to keep the full amount that I've from April because otherwise I will only get 0.5% rate for SS in May. Correct?
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I mentioned withdraw and close SS on 30 April....1 May new Bonus Saver and therefore new SS
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post Apr 11 2013, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Apr 11 2013, 01:53 PM)
1st of May is a Public Holiday lah doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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Haha didnt notice when replying the post....alternatively he can open new account in another Ocbc branch with his personal cheque on 30 April
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 11 2013, 03:36 PM)
Im looking for Foreign Currency Fixed Deposit, any can give suggestion where to do?
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Most banks provides......public bank interest rate is better than that of Citi.....Ocbc earlier provides additional 5% promote...a couple of months back I asked still available, not sure now...only Aus$ FD interest rate is better off than local currency...
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