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SUSPink Spider
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 Apr 9 2013, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:16 AM) Consumer also have good stocks and bad stocks. Good stocks now can be bad stocks later, and vice versa. Consumer stocks can also be overpriced.... Not necessary consumers stocks = safe. Never assume that. And stocks perceived to be 'safe' like nestle is very expensive....and over bought. Stocks not only need to study the company, but you need to constantly monitor as business climate can change. Stocks also can have many plays... high growth... dividend growth... high dividend... asset play... value play... Now I got APM (automotive parts), HUPSENG (crackers), CARLSBG and TOPGLOVE. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Next targets NESTLE and OLDTOWN. Waiting for better entry price. |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:16 AM) I consider EPF as bond because you cannot take out the value for many years and cannot realize gain, in the mean time you just take the dividends, Does that not look like bonds to you? Equity funds also kenot la unless u sell/opt for cash distribution  |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:19 AM) Now I got APM (automotive parts), HUPSENG (crackers), CARLSBG and TOPGLOVE. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Next targets NESTLE and OLDTOWN. Waiting for better entry price. Well not bad selection. Remember that investing in stock market can be euphoria...when the economy downturn comes it will test your strength as your stock values will be more or less free fall. That is when it will test your mettle. As commonly said, need to pay tuition fee before can succeed ... I assume you have paid your share of tuition fee already, then you are on ypour way to invest in stocks...  This post has been edited by gark: Apr 9 2013, 10:24 AM |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:24 AM) Equity funds also kenot la unless u sell/opt for cash distribution Equity fund your RM 1 can go up to RM 1.2, you sell you realize the gain. How to do that with EPF? |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:24 AM) Well not bad selection. Remember that investing in stock market can be euphoria...when the economy downturn comes it will test your strength as your stock values will be more or less free fall. That is when it will test your mettle. As commonly said, need to pay tuition fee before can succeed ... I assume you have paid your share of tuition fee already, then you are on ypour way to invest in stocks... Paid my dues 2-3 years ago, via RCECAP, GENM, RUBBEREX  |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:25 AM) Equity fund your RM 1 can go up to RM 1.2, you sell you realize the gain. How to do that with EPF? Migrate overseas?  |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:25 AM) Paid my dues 2-3 years ago, via RCECAP, GENM, RUBBEREX Just remember like in UT... never chase high. You don't want to be the last person holding the bag. Stocks moves up/down 100x faster than UT.... but is more exciting...  UT...  This post has been edited by gark: Apr 9 2013, 10:29 AM |
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ben3003
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Apr 9 2013, 10:32 AM
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if like UT, how to know is high or not? stocks we have all this macd rsi stuff..
This post has been edited by ben3003: Apr 9 2013, 10:33 AM
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 9 2013, 10:32 AM) if like UT, how to know is high or not? stocks we have all this macd rsi stuff.. Index...look at the Bollinger bands of the index...P/E of the market as a whole...MAs... |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:35 AM) Index...look at the Bollinger bands of the index...P/E of the market as a whole...MAs... I don't believe in TA, for me shares investment i must be able to calculate intrinsic value and set a margin of safety before buying/selling. |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:37 AM) I don't believe in TA, for me shares investment i must be able to calculate intrinsic value and set a margin of safety before buying/selling. Did I not say P/E?  |
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ben3003
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Apr 9 2013, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:35 AM) Index...look at the Bollinger bands of the index...P/E of the market as a whole...MAs... mean index for the market? Or the funds? Or the market the fund is targeting? like they recently show the bullish market stuff at FSM, i dont understand why they say still got room to grow when they looking at the P/E.. sorry too new haha.. not even 1 yr exp  |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 9 2013, 10:41 AM) mean index for the market? Or the funds? Or the market the fund is targeting? like they recently show the bullish market stuff at FSM, i dont understand why they say still got room to grow when they looking at the P/E.. sorry too new haha.. not even 1 yr exp The target market, which usualyl also the fund's benchmark. E.g. Kenanga Growth Fund, benchmark/target market = KLCI |
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ben3003
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Apr 9 2013, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:46 AM) The target market, which usualyl also the fund's benchmark. E.g. Kenanga Growth Fund, benchmark/target market = KLCI oh ok.. if the fund perform lower than the benchmark, mean the fund no good? Like i see this AGEF, the return is lower than the benchmark altho the pattern like the same.. |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 10:38 AM) Did I not say P/E? Did you not hear? If talking about PE market as whole = looking at chart PE is not equal to Intrinsic Value.... FA don't look at chart 1..... This post has been edited by gark: Apr 9 2013, 10:53 AM |
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 9 2013, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 9 2013, 10:52 AM) Did you not hear? If talking about PE market as whole = looking at chart PE is not equal to Intrinsic Value.... FA don't look at chart 1..... tunjuk ajar ku, sifu  QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 9 2013, 10:50 AM) oh ok.. if the fund perform lower than the benchmark, mean the fund no good? Like i see this AGEF, the return is lower than the benchmark altho the pattern like the same.. AGE underperform benchmark not necessarily means no good, cos its benchmark is a composite benchmark. Salah pilih/construct benchmark, makes your fund looks bad/overly good depending on actual performance This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Apr 9 2013, 11:33 AM |
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gark
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Apr 9 2013, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 9 2013, 11:31 AM) tunjuk ajar ku, sifu Read up from this forum... many discussion from really good sifu there.. i am student there also... http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/...jsp?ftp=2&ftp=1Bit technical, but you accountant so sap sap water lah |
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kimyee73
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Apr 10 2013, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Apr 8 2013, 10:12 PM) aiyo all koyak.. i also worry to go in now.. but i got new member benefit from fsm, counting down 30 days  advice? go for bonds? Most bond funds have 0% sales charge. No use buying bond for new member benefit. Why not use RSP to average the cost over 6 months with 1% sales charge instead? |
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SUSDavid83
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Apr 10 2013, 10:02 AM
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World equity is on hit last week.
Aberdeen World Equity Fund falls again below IPO price.
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SUSPink Spider
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Apr 10 2013, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 10 2013, 10:02 AM) World equity is on hit last week. Aberdeen World Equity Fund falls again below IPO price. Pacific Global Stars koyak teruk...worst of all global equity funds  |
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