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post Apr 5 2013, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 5 2013, 06:32 PM)
Very impressive on the last two pics! Once I decide to ditch this ALX once and for all, I'll consider that route. rclxms.gif
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hmm wonder how rampage IV gene will be like it .. lol.. updated with the pic with his detail workflow.

yeah i am considering when i update on haswell to do this. more efficient. Only con i see is maybe limited to one normal hdd at the back and two ssds. def cannot use WD blacks as they are hot so have go green i guess.

btw silverstone tj and ft series are pro look full alu casings that dont shout out gaming plastic mould overpriced ALX.

just sayin. TJ11. Once u have u will love it.

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QUOTE(kevink82 @ Apr 5 2013, 07:53 PM)
I bought myself a storm stryker. It is pretty cheap and i think it looks quite good even if its mainly plastic.

Waiting for my corsair fans to complete the build.
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Dunno y that casing makes me miss my old 830 with my 8800ultras on it.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 5 2013, 08:39 PM)
3 years ago purchase. At the time I neither had the time nor energy to pursue a custom build. tongue.gif

Maybe I should delay a build until the dust has cleared when it comes Haswell/Maxwell offering is concerned. Which means staying with this "gaming plastic mould" a little bit longer. tongue.gif
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Agreed. Cause then the jump worth it. Sandy was good but pcie 2.0 n limited sata 3 n no default trim raid 0. Support.
Ivy..hmm heat is a concern.

Haswell avx2 n hopefully a buttload of other features on the mobo is what i am aiming for. Titan i got a feeling its gonna be like my 8800 ultras all over again. Short lived. Imagine a 8800gt overclocked was beating the crap out of it n its just a single slot card. Lol.. Only after 6months.
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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 6 2013, 12:32 AM)
May i get more clarification on this? Some may argue that even the latest cards cannot fully utilise the PCIE 3.0 bandwidth hmm.gif

and whats the limited SATA3 problem??
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its not the bandwidth.. pcie 3.0 has better latency and efficiency. its like u running 2000 cl 10 and i am running at 2000 cl7.
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post Apr 6 2013, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 6 2013, 12:40 AM)
does it have a really huge impact on performance? or just moderate
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Look at 7970 on skyrim , witcher 2.. 4-5fps...

its definitely not the bandwidth. Here is a better question y is the PLX chip that communicates between both cores on the 690 a pcie 3.0??
remember until now the way of testing pcie bandwidth saturation is by gaming fps difference. nobody i know actually quantified and check whats the real world max ( like sata 2/3 n usb 2/3 specs vs real world rates)

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 6 2013, 12:56 AM)
True, its to offer the highest possible level of performance compared to older models hmm.gif

SATA2 vs SATA3 problem is also widely asked. Though the USB 2.0 vs USB 3.0 difference really surfaces (30MB p/s vs 70-80MB p/s, thats what i get when transferring random everyday files from 2 external HDD with diff USB port to my com)
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dude meaning the theoretical speed.

in theory ure usb 2.0 is rated 480mbps and u should be able to do 60mb/s.

samething here on pcie 2.0 and 3.0. Ppl are comparing on spec sheet but nobody i have seen actually tested the max attainable bandwidth.

sata 2 was 300Mb/s but max i ever seen was 230Mb/s

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 6 2013, 01:33 PM)
Is this PSU power calculator webpage relevant in calculate power draw for gaming rigs? http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

From what I calculated there, my rig draws less power with two Titans compared to two GTX480s. Current 1000W PSU still usable too.
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Bro 1kw def enough say a silver/gold/plat.. The question is ure dell 1kw. Is it good n reliable enough. In the past they were using pc power cooling. Now i dont know.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 6 2013, 03:46 PM)
So are those good or bad? As on the PSUs used by Dell in the older day? Say 3 years back.

A cursory Googling says Delta PSUs are of good quality so I guess mine's okay?

A lot of the negativity towards Alienware stems from the fact that they're overpriced. My rig when configured 3 years ago on the online configuration costs RM16k, however I got mine for only RM11k complete with 3 years Dell NBD on site warranty. Sure, they're proprietary and all that, but good quality nonetheless. Taste change, I for one did not like a rectangular box with a see through window at the time, therefore I went for something that is not a simple boring rectangle. Only of recently that you see more irregular cases of design that has opened up the possibilities from "just a rectangular box with a see through windows".
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not really overpriced but rather more limited.

its the quality of the casing .. ram etc that makes ppl cheezed off. Also the mobo's they use and the quality of the chokes etc. Ure expecting ROG quality atleast.

Good is always a nice thing to hear but nothing is definitive until its measured.

most of high end rigs here cost more than ure rig without a (extreme proc)

just hit me up and will intro u to a few mad fellas i know living arnd kl .

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 6 2013, 05:50 PM)
I might take you up on that. I'm halfway there with the two Titans. All I need now is a kick ass mobo, RAM, and a more modern CPU with water cooling and I guess I'm somewhat there. tongue.gif I'm not into OCing, but I don't mind rig dress up. biggrin.gif

Question: how much more can I eke out, percentage-wise if I replace the old components with modern counterparts with mild overclocking, you think?
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Apr 9 2013, 07:46 PM)
GDDR5 is indeed based on DDR3, but they are not manufactured or processed at the same time.
Which means, OEMs do not process a huge batch of DDR3 then seperate 30% of it from the entire pool and make them into GDDR5. Doesn't work like that.

GDDR5 is processed differently altogether and they have a stricter binning process as well.

With that said, do expect prices for graphics card are going to stay stale over the next 4-6 months. GDDR5 isn't entirely in short supply, but not entirely booming off the factory either.

If you want to get a GTX670 now, go get it. No point waiting for a month or 2 because nothing will change.
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Not that simple.

Ram modules as per GDDR5 is openly traded in taiwan to a point of speculative pricing etc to in almost the same fashion as debt instruments.

GDDR5 at moment which lower nm rating has already hit 7ghz at 1.5v with Hynix and Samsung which is y u see a lot of the 79xx revision this year .. the mems are clocking high. Most probably on their bulk forward pricing buys ...that all the card manufactorers do.

thats on pricing

on tech GDDR5 is based of DDR3 but the memory controllers are different
DDR3 is based of current cpus 64bit per channel
with GDDR5 based of controllers with 32bit. (16bit input and output)
The main difference after this comes with the number of 32bit I/Os it uses.. like 384bit on the 7970 has 12x32bit I/O's.

So its mainly a bit thingy, I/O's and also cycle. Afaik DDR3 modules handle read n write per cycle while GDDR's can do both at the same cycle.

The supply is a lot infact. Pricing always comes up when new tech comes in. With Intel still favouring DDR3 in haswell so just like SSJBEn said dont think anything will change. These modules takes up hardly a fraction of the cost of a GPU. So doesnt make sense on big increases. I am looking at a single digit increment if there was any at all.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2013, 07:21 AM)
For those who already brought titan might start to regret if these rumors is true.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN Ultra and GTX TITAN LE
There remains a lot of speculation of course, but this could mean the Titan LE at  599 USD. The Original Titan at 799 USD, and the GeForce Titan Ultra at 999 USD.
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the saga of the 8800ultra unfolds and repeats as predicted if this comes to lite. expect a GTX760ti to out do this cards by end of the year.
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QUOTE(noobianz @ Apr 23 2013, 01:12 PM)
just to share with u guys, my asus gtx560ti died few days ago. lots of artifact on screen and it getting worse as day passed by. after searching at the internet,i decided to try baking it in oven. to my surprise i manage to resurrect it and now its working like nothing has happened to it. i guess solder joint between gpu and pcb went bad,prolly due to hair line crack.
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blame it on design and weight issue. hence y brackets for gc's are totally recommended. unless lol..
get a ft02, tj11 and do a vertical. atleast then ure cards warping issues wont be a contributing factor.
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QUOTE(renz496 @ Apr 23 2013, 06:58 PM)
new rumor suggest that TITAN LE is GTX780. GTX770 will be based on tweaked GK104. maybe much lower power consumption or can clock much higher under same TDP as GTX680. this rumor coming from fudzilla so take it with lorry of salt tongue.gif

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31167-ge...0-coming-in-may

UPDATE:

BSN also have similar news with addition of GTX760Ti which is rumored to exact rebrand of GTX670 (just like 9800GTX+ to GTS250). pricing wise it might compete with AMD 7800 series?
so 670 performance for 660 price? if that's really the case i might cancel my 660 SLI plan and sell my 1 month old GTX660 lol and get 2 GTX760 Ti in SLI instead XD

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/...-is-gtx670.aspx
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if the gtx780 is 30 percent faster than gtx680.. thats titan territory already.

also hmm ti is not "titanium". its a internal moniker but somehow ppl started calling them ti based on periodic table.

ti's on 660 are rejected binned 670's chips that has less ROP and paired with lower bandwidth mem. Pure shader counts are the same. So depending on the game its pretty close to the 670 and hence pricing also is almost there since the cost to produce is abt the same except for the cheaper mem.

so how is a 760ti possible to be a rebrand version of 670. it should be a failed bin of a 770.

hmm but so far for certain is the gtx780 will be back with direct compute and 384bit mem. as seen from 7970 theres a lot of benefit.

the merits of this article .. one should take a full nuclear silo worth of salt.

one thing is sound. the 7series will be refresh of kepler. which every news seem to lead there unless the 8970's are are monsters n game changer .. and then will be seeing nvidia releasing a new architecture. With microsoft stopping at directx 11. Wonder where gc's are heading now. Past few years gc's capabilities were totally dependent on directx development. afaik from sapphire rep..after inquiring on ref 7970's.. they said eol since they are waiting for the new designs from amd for the 8 series.

so one can conclude.. 4k gaming is the only aim they have.

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QUOTE(winter01942 @ Apr 23 2013, 10:27 PM)
I know where i should draw my line...

I'm not saying that i want to wait for the new ones to come out, but will there be a significant price drop to the older model? or can i get a better one at the same price point? eg. 760ti vs 670 or 760 vs 670 (ofc price is still a factor)

That's my only concern..because i have already set my line to a rm1000-ish budget, and the leadtek 670 is very near and worthy for that budget....
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dude u should set a budget based on the reso u want to game with a few game titles that peak ure interest.

then based on that go with a gaming setup that fits that requirement with a budget constraint.

whats more interesting about the new refresh will be the massly introduction of nvidia gpu boost 2.0. this is gonna be a game changer ....with ppl this time buy better casings and throwing away overpriced crappy plastic steel craps and not worry about overclocking the card. with this ppl can set the boost to temp target compared to the existing model based on tdp target. so far on the titan its still kindda limited with a allowance of 106% tdp increase with around 2-3 increase in vid. ...should be because of a phase limit. their tdp so far has complied with pcie-sig.

thats the other thing looking at how all amd/nvidia are going with the low power states.. its time they go with vid clocking which sandy n above has been doing.

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ May 1 2013, 05:10 PM)
And we're still fairly early in driver development for the Titan. Will be interesting to see how much more optimised performance be in the coming months.
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Not true. This is the best nvidia can do atm. Low frametime, no runts etc. Dont see how unless theres a way to make direct compute be a factor.
Best kepler can offer.

Would reall like to see a indepth review of the frame metering inbuilt algorithm.

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QUOTE(kabusribut @ May 2 2013, 07:27 PM)
670 PE owner here. which unigine version? mine running fine on 3.0 but different story on 4.0. i did a clean uninstall using this guide and now it's fine. but i dont know why my PE can't be OC. i try to increase the core clock by only 20 and the unigine crash. running on stock.
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4.0 is heavy on tessellation and is 100% gpu bound and supports SSDO so expected.

http://www.sirjamesd.com/unigineheaven4

see the diff. also he noted some issues he solved with his 670

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QUOTE(rc2x @ May 3 2013, 07:13 AM)
Awesome
Thats more like the nvidia we knew and showed a middle finger to.

Keep it up
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ May 3 2013, 10:57 AM)
GTX Titan under water:



He's using XSPC, while I'm using EK.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_dis...rblock_review/2

50% reduction in temperature with that much OC room to play around is always appreciated.
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noob review by a corsair fan.

"XSPC GTX Titan Waterblock Review"

Flow Rate?? Heat Dissipation?? Block Comparison?? VRM, Mem temps??

just a guy showing a 360 rad with a push config with ap120's (should be xspc rx360) can cool a gtx titan and a sandy-e proc. half the time just justifying his cooling choices.

and noob on gddr5 hynix/elpidas a lot of them are rejected binned 1.5v 7ghz. so u can do more than 6ghz at stock.

just a noob justifying his purchase and cooling.

nothing really review on the block or oc thats on the vid

lets see on what he wrote
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_dis...rblock_review/1

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QUOTE(Nojo @ May 3 2013, 11:30 AM)
The most common misconception about Titan under water that I used to have as well is it would OC higher. The only advantage is the noise, the stock cooler fan could get pretty loud at 70%.

Most people that boosted about their card is running stable at 1202MHz or more in Valley, Heaven or 3DMark are forced to lower their clock down to 1150~1189MHz when in actual game like Crysis 3 and Far Cry 3 to avoid crashing as soon as the game launches.

You could try flashing it with custom BIOS on air, setting voltage to 1.212v, 115% power target and target temp 90 with 1:1 fan profile, then find out the highest stable clock speed you can achieve in game by lowering the power target and clock speed every time it crashes.

The clock speed you get, most likely 1137~1189MHz would be the same even if you put it underwater as the temp would never exceed 76, staying at 70 on air most of the time so there's no throttling at play here.
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seriously it all depends on ure asic, vrm quality and limit.

wc is always been foremost on noise first performance second.

btw looking at his review his oc is flawed. theres throttling somewhere and he didnt even notice that on the fps.

looking at heaven.

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hahaha that fella is born on the same day as me.

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