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post Feb 18 2019, 05:05 AM

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QUOTE(pearl_white @ Feb 17 2019, 11:22 AM)
Effective 1st January 2019 and the adoption of MFRS9, EPF will no longer provide for impairments to its investments.  (note : if there were impairments for example, it would be recognised in the statement of comprehensive income and not the current year P/L).

The dividend rate would be much much lower if this had not been the case.
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Why so? We are only 1.5 months from Jan 2019. A lot to impair?

Or you mean as long as 2018 financial announced in 2019, impairment from 2018 no need to be provisioned?
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post Feb 19 2019, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 19 2019, 04:24 PM)
2) His KWSP contribution is stardard rate that is 11% self, 13% boss
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Back in those days where got 13%. Bosslu increased it a couple of years ago.

And then there was the 2008 or 2009 crisis and a few years ago where bosslu reduced contribution to 8%.

I think 200k at 31 considered impressive. Not even near there when I was 31 if I don't have memory leak.

QUOTE(logi89 @ Feb 19 2019, 12:25 PM)
this morning, my boss (age 31) printed his EPF stmt and I saw got RM 210K...I am 2 years younger and only at RM 100K (half)..feeling so low..
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I just saw this one. Aiyooo that's why he is bosslu. If he's not that capable, he would've been KawanLu only

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post Feb 20 2019, 01:51 AM

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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ford-to-retire/

A lot of figures and explanation. Though I never verified, I thought govt bonds were higher than banks FD.
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post Mar 26 2019, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Mar 25 2019, 11:53 AM)
thanks for this stat.

previously i recall reading personal income tax taxpayer is approximately 1 mil person only.
so only <10% of the workforce require to pay income tax?
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I didn't quite check what's the minimum salary that is taxable. Think it's around 4k. I don't think a lot of people are earning above 4k. So only 1 million people paying tax is no surprise.
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post Sep 19 2019, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 18 2019, 11:16 PM)
If really above 15%..
Why needed to share to people when u can maximize it your own...
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very easy. use investors money to make money. let's assume they give 15%. any profit above 15% goes to company/his pocket. any loss, "you understand la, investment sure got risk one". don't forget, in many cases, including your beloved ASN, already ask investors to sign agreement.

QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 17 2019, 08:48 AM)
Okay, you win !!
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sure he win la. he's one of the gurus here.

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post Sep 20 2019, 02:44 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 20 2019, 01:33 AM)
Are you sure you are talking about the same thing?
An investment that can return 15% pa?

I dont see how you can make 15% like that
sounds more like you take people's money and  you give them 15%  instead.

No investor will pay fee 15% pa of their CAPITAL to let you invest for them.
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If a person enters the market at the right time, it's possible. 15% p.a. is like 1.25% a month. Look at US market also easily fluctuate 3% when uncle donald tweets.

But anyway, my point is, s/he can offer any %. Whether s/he can deliver or not, or run run run run runaway with people's money is a different story. And it's investors that bear the risks.



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post Jan 16 2020, 05:35 PM

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to estimate EPF dividend, just compare Q1 Q2 Q3 income in 2019 vs 2018. unless Q4 a miracle, we will definitely get lesser than 2018's (declared in Feb 2019)

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post Feb 3 2020, 03:54 AM

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Total income for first 3 quarters of 2018 : 39.88b
Total income for first 3 quarters of 2019 : 35.48b

Assume Q4 also same (it should be better since trade war is over. didn't pay attn to KLSE. did it go up a lot in Q4?)

Averaging Q4 with first 3 quarters, 35.48/39.88 x 6.15% = 5.47%

So it should be somewhere around 5.47%, depending on how Q4 performed.
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post Feb 3 2020, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 3 2020, 08:07 AM)
interesting....

btw, did you back track for a few years to do the comparison (as above) and see if the actual announced dividend rate is per that "formula"?
if are correct, then can use that for future prediction.... notworthy.gif
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haha of course not. 1 week later will know already, why spend so much effort
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post Feb 3 2020, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 3 2020, 10:47 AM)
that's incorrect as:
1. assuming inflow rate > outflow rate for contributors
2. cumulative quarters needs to be higher than previous based on capital size increased

so the return of 35.48b is theoretically based on a higher capital compared to last year when they made 39.88 imho

so technically it's lower than 5.47% for all things equal.
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ahhh yes, thanks, master 鄭則士
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post Feb 3 2020, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 3 2020, 12:52 PM)
In today's edge magazine it says

"EPF needs RM50 bil to pay 6% in 2020"

So they need RM15 bil in Q4 to make RM50 bil. Unlikely I think.
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wahh nice. someone already did all the calculation. 5.5% isn't too bad, IF possible at all.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 3 2020, 02:45 PM)
as good as ASB at 5.5%? Impressive!!
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let me rephrase, was trying to say, if cannot get 6%, 5.5% also not too bad. actual % depends on Q4 loh. Q4 trade settlement.....US market all time high. don't know EPF pumped how much money in overseas market
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post Feb 4 2020, 10:57 AM

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2020 will be reduced income from PLUS and Air Asia share price for starters.

EMPLOYEES PROVIDENT FUND BOARD (a substantial shareholder) disposed 492,500 shares on 29-Jan-2020.

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post Feb 4 2020, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Feb 4 2020, 11:14 AM)
One question I have on EPF and PLUS which I hope some gurus here can help clarify.

From this news report, PLUS is still suffering from loses which suggests that "could be due to its dividend payouts exceeding its profits."

Let's not go into the reduce-toll-fare, extend-concession debate, just focus on business fundamentals. 
So, why hold an unprofitable business? Wouldn't that take a toll on EPF's long-term financial outlook should the loses persist, especially when dividends declared exceed profit. That doesn't look like a financially sound decision to me.

Or is it because of the strong cash flow?
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many possible reasons, no one knows except the decision makers.

owned by the people, paid by the people, returned to the people (at least, half of it).

unprofitable maybe temporary only?

QUOTE(Playmaker8 @ Feb 4 2020, 12:35 PM)
Hi guys, How do I contribute monthly to EPF if I work overseas ?
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Public Bank and Maybank2me can directly bank in to EPF. Need your IC and EPF account number.

Unsure if RHB and CIMB can. RHB seemed to buddy buddy with EPF until EPF kiosk also setup there.

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QUOTE(Havoc Knightmare @ Feb 5 2020, 08:57 AM)
EPF is regarded as the owner of RHB...
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oh yeah I totally forgotten about that.
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QUOTE(DjTranceHan @ Feb 5 2020, 11:28 AM)
Just asking coz im worry my company didnt pay my epf. checked online since decmber last year till today my epf balance is not updated or increase. Is it epf declaration dividend still in process?
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there won't be any update until dividend is declared. Same each year.
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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Feb 6 2020, 11:55 PM)
I moved my savings from asm to epf for the higher interest rate and for the sole purpose of paying off my mortgage. I only remember about account 1 and 2 exist after I transfer. And that most of it will go to account 1 which I won't be able to withdraw until I retire. It defeats my purpose which is to clear my house loan. I feel so dumb right now. Arghhhhhhhhhh. Can we ask epf to put the transfer to account 2 only?
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your consolation is EPF dividend is usually higher than your housing loan interest. Check if your account 2's total is more or less than the amount you deposited. If account 2 is more, then you still can withdraw to pay housing loan. that's one of the reason I do it.

shouldn't you transfer to bank to pay off your mortgage instead of EPF?

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post Feb 20 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 19 2020, 06:25 PM)
EPF dividend is daily rest. If deposited on 2 Jan 2020, then you will get 364/365 for 2020's year dividend.
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no. you get 1 day only on the month you contribute. it's only daily rest on the month you withdraw.

QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 19 2020, 08:49 PM)
you mean you have done transferring >RM30k using PBE internet banking with secure device using personal a/c to FSM before?
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it depends on the nature of the transaction. near-zero risk, can go beyond secure device's limit. I suppose no one will hack an account to deposit money into his/her own EPF. easily caught.

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post Feb 20 2020, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Feb 20 2020, 11:57 AM)
Strange. That was what I was told when I went to the EPF office some years ago.

Also, my spreadsheet checks on the dividend I got (based on daily rest) have been very close to what was in my account (down to the cents).
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they gave me in email, 1 day.

if that's the case, i'll try count mine when I've the time.
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post Feb 20 2020, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 20 2020, 01:04 PM)
thanks for the info.... notworthy.gif

bangwall.gif had to do it thru a spread of 5 days in July last year....

anyway, any idea of the max amount?
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I did in May, 3 days I think. 1x1000 to test, another 2x because not enough money to fill quota. otherwise 1 day finish loh

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