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post May 7 2015, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ May 7 2015, 01:13 PM)
TRUE...But Sikapor those can do work leh.
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Case by case I'll say.
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post May 7 2015, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ May 7 2015, 09:52 PM)
If most people need the money to pay off debts at age 55, they are in big trouble financially.
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Trust me, you will be surprised with the number of such people shocking.gif
In average, most of the EPF member's income are only at rm2000 shakehead.gif
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post May 11 2015, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ May 11 2015, 09:14 AM)
That's not tips, rather than trying to make a business with her misleading questions doh.gif
Like cost of living already wrong, government is saying only 3% whistling.gif

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post May 12 2015, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ May 11 2015, 11:52 AM)
EPF's real performance = EPF dividend - Inflation

If inflation is 6%, then EPF's real performance = 6.75 - 6 = 0.75.
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Well, by the time you can take out the whole amount, it is still a big sum, if you are putting rm300 a month.
Some trust fund, insurance agents like to use inflation to cheat and mislead, but again, rm1000 in EPF will still be rm1000 + dividend. What will change is the value of money.
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post May 25 2015, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ May 25 2015, 12:45 AM)
Do u know what follow shortly after record breaking earnings/dividend? tongue.gif

2000-2001 is the tech bubble burst in the US FYI tongue.gif

Means the next recession cycles coming soon?
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On the way already.
Like the recent Seremban's Mapex, all the developers are giving rm30000-40000 of discount. And best of all, only 10-20% sold laugh.gif
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post May 25 2015, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 25 2015, 03:49 PM)
Seremban not the next "hot" place to be? MVV? hmm.gif
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Hot? 2 years back maybe, but not now. Mapex are held almost once every 2 months.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 25 2015, 03:57 PM)
Malaysia Vision Valley, 11th M'sia Plan  icon_rolleyes.gif
the next Klang Valley  drool.gif
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By looking at how market react can know already, this will be another white elephant project whistling.gif
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post Jun 17 2015, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jun 17 2015, 10:02 PM)
EPF opposes Felda Global Venture’s Indonesian deal.

EPF questioned the rationale behind the RM2.55 billion purchase, particularly the generous premium accorded to the deal.
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Heard that the purchase only 0.5Billion whistling.gif
Balance 2billion are shared between the seller and buyer shakehead.gif
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post Jun 17 2015, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 17 2015, 10:45 PM)
U have excellent insider news
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With ISA in the board, salam songlap whistling.gif
And if you don't know about share market, do watch Hong Kong drama "the greed of man". While it does not really teach you how to gamble, but it o tell you that, major share holders will normally do something "stupid" to make the price crash and then buy it for cheap.

This post has been edited by supersound: Jun 17 2015, 10:50 PM
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post Aug 12 2015, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 12 2015, 06:01 PM)
EPF contributors convicted and fined RM10,000 for fraud
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...raud/?style=biz
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Actually every year sure got about 15-20 cases laugh.gif
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post Sep 8 2015, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Lord_Penguin @ Sep 7 2015, 11:37 PM)
Putting aside the current poor economical situation in M'sia, I wonder, will it be a wise choice to contribute more money (other than deduction from salary) into EPF account for the purpose of "force saving" and also to earn the interest...?
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Does CPF in Singapore has the said amount of cash? Nope, they don't have.
So does our EPF has the said money? Again, nope. Since 1997 crisis, EPF already empty.
So, does other financial institution has the said money also? Again, it is the same.
Is matter of trust we are talking. Like some choose to believe trust funds can make more money which in fact the return are way lower than FD most of the time.
Your present contribution are used to pay current retirees and when you retired, our younger generation will be paying us.
So, why worry?
EPF are owned by government and government won't collapse, unless you got war. Even if it collapse, is that political party collapse.
So when this happens, trust funds will die first and you get nothing at all compare to EPF.
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post Sep 10 2015, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 10 2015, 07:54 PM)
maybe. who knows  whistling.gif
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Unlikely to happen. Petronas already start taking their own money to pay dividend.
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post Sep 11 2015, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 10 2015, 11:17 PM)
oh petronasku.. Our National pride cry.gif
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Banks are retrenching their staffs. Is lucky that petronas still continue to hire people laugh.gif
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post Oct 5 2015, 03:25 PM

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Well, those numbers serve as a guide only. I prefer to dump all money to EPF now, since I need another few years to take 1/3 out.
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post Oct 19 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 4 2015, 05:16 PM)
Saw the EPF retirement article in The Star. That prompted me to do some analysis as one thing bothers me.

They stated the required amounts at different ages to achieve 197k at age 55. I did some back-calculations to find out what were the dividend rates they used to achieve the 197k. See picture below.

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Surprised that they used different rates for different ages. Requires a return of

* 8.25% pa with 27k at age 30,
* 6.6% pa with 143k at age 50

to achieve 197k at age 55.

If they used 6.6% for the age 30 case, then the amount will be larger than 27k to get 197K at age 55. Wonder why did they use a larger %.

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Monthly expenses at RM820?
* not realistic to me. Should be at least RM2000 for the average Msian.
* the RM820 is not inflation adjusted. Even at 3% pa inflation (as reported by our nice govt), the RM820 will be RM1480 20 years later.

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The table is also misleading. For those in their teens, good news! All they need to do now is to put RM1000, 2000, 4000 for ages 18, 19 & 20 in their EPF and by the time they are 55, they will have 197k in there. Their retirement funds are now taken care of! Ha. For the age 18 case, the required return is 15.4% pa to get 197K by age 55. Realistic? Yes, the power of compound interest but this is twisting it too far.

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They used 6 - 15% pa in their studies. Wah! Maybe I should expect a higher % from EPF now. They know EPF better than most of us.

Cheerio.
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That table only right if your income are very low or you don't put a single cent to it.
As long as you are working and putting minimum 11%+13% every month, this table are no longer applicable.

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Monthly expenses at rm820 for a single person are not impossible but just that majority of the people prefer to have 90-110% of their pay to handed to others.
For a zero loan person like me, my individual spending are about rm750, rm70 cheaper than what they said.

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As mentioned in AA.


This type of table were being used 10 years ago by insurance and trust funds agents to cheat and mislead people that are poor on calculations. As a victim on this, by back calculating it, my lost for 8 years was about 7-8% a year by just taking out rm12000 from EPF account.
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post Oct 19 2015, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 19 2015, 01:40 AM)
If many people started withdrawing from EPF, it will affect the dividend payout too !
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Yes, please ensure more people to take the money out, be it withdraw it for housing or others legal ways thumbup.gif
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post Oct 19 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(netcrawler @ Oct 19 2015, 10:33 AM)
I guess the other way round. If more people withdraw the money, those interest for earlier withdrawal will
be passed/enjoy by those keep the money till dividend declaration date.
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Yes, you are right, in order government to continue use money, they will ensure the dividend payout are nice. Only those that have direct interest like insurance, trust fund agents and financial planners that hired by UT, insurance companies will try their best to cheat or mislead people to take money out so that they can make money rather than people make money.
More money will actually dilute the dividend. I operate coop before so I know the account behind, we need to make more profit to give the same dividend payout as member's savings are increasing over the years.
Also, do ask SIngapore government to take out the cash for the account they have, I'm very sure they can't even show 30% of cash from the account.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 19 2015, 10:39 AM)
Don't listen to him. He's like unker xxx who is anti-goverment. His goal is withdraw epf, so that you don't give the goverment money.
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Sorry, when the budget approved for 9% contribution, I'll make sure my contribution will be 9%+9% from current 16%. But to make sure I can still enjoy > 6%, I have no choice but to follow those trust fund and insurance agents to cheat and mislead that EPF are going to fall whistling.gif

QUOTE(Drian @ Oct 19 2015, 10:47 AM)
I benchmarked my UT investment (EPF ) for the past 3 years against the EPF. The UT actually lost.
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UT never been lost from the day they introduce to the market, even the agents never cheat you that UT never make money, they only forgot to tell you is they will make money from you, not you make money from UT. So technically, they are not wrong.
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post Oct 19 2015, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 19 2015, 12:51 PM)
supersound you tell me you rather give money to insurance company or put inside epf (to claim income tax)?
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Correction, is either throw money to insurance and trust fund companies or keep money in EPF. Money will be wasted as reported by some but rm10 will still be rm10 and with dividend, it will be rm100-200 after 10 years.
EPF money will be used to run crony's companies while money dump in to insurance is directly goes in to crony's pocket. rm10 dump in may become rm5-8.
So, you do the maths.
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post Oct 22 2015, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 22 2015, 10:39 AM)
I think if the investment is not haram, (alcohol, gambling), even if not Syariah compliance, is still OK.
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"Investing" in stock market or trust funds are another way of gambling, since dumping money in and wait for a chance for it to go up are same as go Genting casino, put money on the table and wait for the chance.
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post Oct 29 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 29 2015, 01:28 PM)
EPF payout hard to predict with market downturn
http://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/10/epf-pay...market-downturn

B prepare for Lower dividend in Yr 2015 from 6.75% in Yr 2014
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Well, it will still better than FDS, or more superior than most trust funds that are giving ~0% dividend.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2015, 04:38 PM)
who said Malaysia inflation 1% only  ohmy.gif  shocking.gif

Department of Statistics said around 3%.

so should be 2.5 + 3 = 5.5%  sweat.gif
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Is up to a particular person. My inflation are at 2%, that's just because I have no loans.
People with loan will have higher inflation rate.


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post Oct 29 2015, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 29 2015, 09:45 PM)
In addition, returns is compounded
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That if you keep on dump money in. It is more on diluting the lost. But in the long term, the return most of the time are higher than savings account's interest whistling.gif
Tan Sri start from next year need to fork out another rm100k-200k as income tax, I'm very sure the funds will perform better brows.gif

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2015, 09:55 PM)
only 2%  hmm.gif  even without loan, can't be tat low  nod.gif
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I got bank giving me rm200 each month thumbup.gif

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