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koaydarren
post Mar 8 2023, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Mar 8 2023, 12:34 PM)
They will start winding down SSPN and give student loans wipe off debt free like Biden does 🤦‍♀️

Wait till this drag on goes to court
Only spouse is entitled and only half but children is not

Govt is planning to move away from pension into EPF already as many new servants are now in it hence they are unhappy when EPF does dish anything more than 6% yearly 🤦‍♀️
It is more close to 1.5 million direct and indirect employees hence better for all govt servants to move it to EPF rather than pension system which drags upon taxpayers money 🤦‍♀️
Remember they are playing race bait game now to gain votes from the ultra religious party hence they will use it to political mileage

It is nothing to do with tongkat but their mentality is spend before earning while having no sense money management 🤦‍♀️

Only the smart savvy tongkat is the one who gains more than common tongkat 🤦‍♀️
Remember is trying to win votes from Ultra Malay conservatives hence playing race bait game 🤦‍♀️

Like some mentioned unless everything is unified it will be not be when it segregated just like education streams
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It is well known in Malaysia that for Chinese to get government projects or important licenses, you must include bumi. They are basically sleeping partner but will take some profits without doing anything. I name it as race tax. I have few friends proudly talk about this while driving mercs or bmw.

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koaydarren
post Mar 15 2023, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 15 2023, 12:38 PM)
all the previous withdrawals...

I can observed not to relive current suffering but to spend on "unnecessary things"... okay maybe few really need them... but majority I see spend on Cars modification or at jewellery shops  tongue.gif

tongkat already planted into the life style... Savings like in EPF or just CASA is like taboo subjects... not in the mind...

when see others better balance in EPF... try to play up R&R issues.... what it's link with EPF high balance for these group people... not like they rob the $$ & dump into EPF....
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Pension, better education opportunities, better business opportunities, cheaper housing price, better investment opportunities (ASB), but want to play r and r issues 😂. Instead of giving the tongkat forever, why not teach them how to fish.
koaydarren
post Mar 21 2023, 01:12 PM

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This is a bad move. EPF is not a bank. Since epf already allows peollple to withdraw to buy houses, I don't get it there are other reasons for people to withdraw in this *new form*. Does it mean I can borrow the money and use EPf as collateral to go vacation and buy my new motor? Anwar needs to be careful in the structure of such policies.

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post Mar 21 2023, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Mar 21 2023, 01:16 PM)
As per previous information, only ppl "who really need it" can apply for loan. Apply as loan collateral doesn't mean realizing the transfer or sale. It just mean the units are locked and no longer can be touched until loan is paid. However, can bank take the units of the user defaults the loan? Unknown. So what can ended up happening is ppl claim emergency then take out loan go buy maybank stocks and voila.. double dividend tongue.gif
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This is what I'm thinking as well.
koaydarren
post Apr 11 2023, 05:39 PM

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Many got pension but never openly mention only. Using epf as the only yardstick as the retirement fund is not wise. ASB and pension are already sufficient to survive.
koaydarren
post Apr 19 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 19 2023, 08:54 PM)
So those planning to take this loans & dump into EPF??

Not good decision lorh??
I mean not worthy anymore....
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Yes. Becoz u need to buy insurance also to prevent default.
koaydarren
post Apr 23 2023, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 23 2023, 02:45 PM)
You are deflecting the key point ie what is the purpose of epf? And you did not answer my question. Because those are the key decision factors of why epf is what it is. Regardles of how one view its their blood and tears money that they entitled to as and when they want to withdraw at whim.

Just to entertain your flawed arguement that epf can generate easy return consistently and yet still principal guaranteed, have you ever seen how many time epf return is at lowest level at minimally guaranteed 2.5%? And what were the masses reaction like?
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Allowing epf withdrawal it's like a drug. They will find any excuse to support their points instead of working. Apart from medical, education, and housing, I don't see a point at all for allowing early withdrawal. All these reasons are allowed for withdrawal in fact.
koaydarren
post May 1 2023, 05:38 PM

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From 13 to 20 is crazy. Maybe 13 to 15 is more reasonable.
koaydarren
post May 12 2023, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(backspace66 @ May 12 2023, 10:24 AM)
Increase both employee and employer contribution. The employee themselves need to be comitted in having enough for retirement. This will also increase inflow and help madani to achieve more allocation on local investment.
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It's a tricky situation. We hope that Anwar can retain his pm position for another term. Otherwise, u know which party keeps allowing people to take epf to gain votes. All the work done will go to waste.
koaydarren
post Jun 8 2023, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jun 8 2023, 06:30 PM)
The reverse is happening...if Green Wave take over, gone case, all money songlapped or wasted to support prince of earth company like Serbok Dynamo.

I see this is eventual destiny of Malaysia.
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Just like turkey, hyperinflation but the people still voted the same president. This is the fear of everyone that green wave doesn't know how to manage a country's economy. Imagine the state has the same water issue for duno how many years and contributes almost the least to the GDP. Within 6 months of darurat, how many "leakages" already?
koaydarren
post Jun 16 2023, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Jun 16 2023, 07:46 PM)
Agree t20 should not get free hospital.  After all household got 10k already should be able to afford private I think. maybe retire already no choice have to go govt
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Funny thing is our country's T20 is freaking poor. Imagine after removing all the subsidies from petrol, electricity, healthcare, etc. The total expense will be the same as b40. Why not all the T20 don't work and enjoy the benefits as b40?
koaydarren
post Jul 7 2023, 11:52 AM

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Want to be like Singapore, but when similar rules and regulations implemented in Malaysia, all cannot take it 🤣. Its definitely good to set a limit of withdrawal for those account with less than the threshold. Anything extra, epf will allow you to withdraw all after 55 or 60. that's quite common sense. Why so many act react weirdly.
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post Jul 7 2023, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jul 7 2023, 08:19 PM)
bro, this time different....because the country is really going downhill at accelerated rate due to external and internal factors. Now it is not so much taking your money but throwing a wrench in your plan. If you have a lot outside beside EPF, then it's ok. If EPF represents over 80% of your networth, then better reevaluate your strategies.
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Political instability and corruption are really killing our economy and country. Buying Singapore or US stocks will be a better option now to prevent currency depreciation plus can get capital appreciation and dividends.
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post Jul 8 2023, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(hedfi @ Jul 7 2023, 11:46 PM)
I am sure if the father knew then it'll come to this, he would just wank off and fed the fishes
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He got angry because he tot he could have inherited the 1.8 million.
koaydarren
post Aug 26 2023, 01:58 PM

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Surprising to see so many people with poor investment literacy. U expect pmx to give good dividend in his first year? His job is to build good businesses in Malaysia and good dividend will come automatically. Only three states are generating most of the revenues and the previous government has raised so much debt just to give tongkat. Looks good with handouts for the previous government but pmx is fixing the damage. 6% dividend is already good considering the world economy.
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post Nov 8 2023, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Nov 8 2023, 12:42 PM)
The whole problem is to catch small business not reporting profits. they should be taxed. its more like RM10k a week. Exchanging money no need e-invoice but if there is a sale transaction then raise an invoice.  Not sure about EPF as we;re not buying anything so invoice. its like depositing money in the bank and get interest but still no invoice for interest nor dividend.
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Bingo. Many so called B40 are so rich. They never pay any taxes before and will be getting subsidy too. I have seen those selling nasik lemak drive a Merz
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post Jan 2 2024, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jan 2 2024, 12:55 PM)
haha.... such rate were never seen since 1990s I think. 8% type sure everyone will throw everything into epf and liquidate all ringgit bonds
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If epf can give 8%, I am sure the market will be on fire, then putting into epf will be losing money.
koaydarren
post Mar 1 2024, 02:40 PM

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Maybe it's time for EPF to follow Singapore CPF. Any excess cash like 1 million (high liquidity) should be capped at 2.5% just now account 3.
koaydarren
post Mar 1 2024, 03:31 PM

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Agree with some of you. Just a suggestion what Singapore is doing. Recently, they closed the "special account" to avoid so called shielding effect because you can't just enjoy both high interest and liquidity at the same time.
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post Mar 3 2024, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 3 2024, 10:31 AM)
I seriously disagree with that account 3...

Why repair that not broken 😁

I really hope, it's just option not forced upon everyone...

Or at least give option those don't want it. Fill up some form.. like the previous reducing of 11% employee contribution... To maintain status quo
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Account 3 is really redundant. Its like a normal saving account. The government should be firm like Singapore that no matter what EPF should not be touched.

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