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post Feb 26 2013, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 26 2013, 09:24 AM)
Im planning to invest about RM20K but i lack any experience in stocks or REIT. I heard about Berjaya Sports Toto and am interested because of the low stock price and the dividends per annum.

Is this a good investment? Are there any better stocks or REIT which give better returns? Im not a high risk investor.
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You can post questions in specific threads...

BJTOTO
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1060611/+1140

REIT
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2498000/+760

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post Feb 26 2013, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Feb 20 2013, 03:59 PM)
Beg to differ on those highlighted with red.

1) If one who knows how to pick up good Dividend stocks, moving back money into Cash, FD or Bonds looks quite  funny or rather reflects the  insecurity of a person aka investor ( if without any good specific reasons given )

2) Not all Bonds are on  par with one another , many junk bonds around since century ago. Not all Euro country bonds are on par with each other. Even Mini bonds issued by Ang Mo bank could go under water.

3) Asset Allocations do recognize some economic  situations, like improving or deteriorates ...not because Bonds, FD are better and vice versa...........BUT rather situations based decisions , Goals , risk factors , age plus plus.

4) Your discussions are generally theory based , plugged from somewhere maybe textbooks or so .  hmm.gif 

Just my views only.
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hi thank you for your input.
i reply according to the perceived knowledge level of the TS.
definitely everyone has to allocate assets differently according to many many conditions, eg current age, current economic situations etc.
but as a whole, someone who would ask for a dividend paying passive income stocks is highly likely to be an investor who is more interested in low risk assets, thus i suggest to look more into cash, fd and bonds as these, as a whole have lower risks compared to stocks. what i mean is to allocate more to these asset classes, and less so in stocks, not moving for and back, though this should also be done regularly according to the bull-bear cycle of different asset classes, eg bonds, stocks, property etc.

everyone who is interested in financial freedom should at least have good theory, this is similar to why we go to schools when we were young.


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post Feb 27 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 26 2013, 09:24 AM)
Im planning to invest about RM20K but i lack any experience in stocks or REIT. I heard about Berjaya Sports Toto and am interested because of the low stock price and the dividends per annum.

Is this a good investment? Are there any better stocks or REIT which give better returns? Im not a high risk investor.
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Bjtoto is good dividend stock, market good or bad ppl still go buy toto brows.gif

For Reit, can look at Amfirst and Uoareit.

Oh, and take a look at prestariang wink.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Feb 27 2013, 09:38 AM)
Bjtoto is good dividend stock, market good or bad ppl still go buy toto brows.gif

For Reit, can look at Amfirst and Uoareit.

Oh, and take a look at prestariang wink.gif
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Greetings + G'Day,

AMFirst REIT bought over Jaya 99 Melaka in 2012, paid RM378psf. Total = RM 86M .

Source = http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3272791

Have a great day.

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rivacordex
post Feb 27 2013, 06:36 PM

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Some pretty top dividend stocks in Malaysia

Company | Ticker | Sector | Marke Cap (RM '000) | Gross Div Payut Ratio (%) | Price as at Feb 8 2013 | Rolling 4 Qs Div Yield (%)
NCB Holding Bhd | NCB | Port services and port logsitics | 2,116,139 | 174.60 | 4.5 | 16.22
JT International Bhd | JTINTER | Tobacco | 1,687,907 | 188.76 | 6.45 | 13.02
CYL Corporation Bhd | CYL | Packaging, canning and bottling | 47,500 | 163.04 | 0.48 | 12.63

NCB seems to be a very interesting thing company. And they're paying out 42% of profit, and seems to be relatively lucrative. And they've been paying for 10 continuous years, so any reviews on this from anybody else?
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post Feb 27 2013, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Feb 27 2013, 06:36 PM)
Some pretty top dividend stocks in Malaysia

Company | Ticker | Sector | Marke Cap (RM '000) | Gross Div Payut Ratio (%) | Price as at Feb 8 2013 | Rolling 4 Qs Div Yield (%)
NCB Holding Bhd |  NCB | Port services and port logsitics | 2,116,139 | 174.60 | 4.5 | 16.22
JT International Bhd | JTINTER | Tobacco | 1,687,907 | 188.76 | 6.45 | 13.02
CYL Corporation Bhd | CYL | Packaging, canning and bottling | 47,500 | 163.04 | 0.48 | 12.63

NCB seems to be a very interesting thing company. And they're paying out 42% of profit, and seems to be relatively lucrative. And they've been paying for 10 continuous years, so any reviews on this from anybody else?
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cry.gif I DIDNT NOTICE THIS COMPANY..until today


rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thanks...need to studying tis compay.
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post Feb 27 2013, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Feb 27 2013, 06:36 PM)
Some pretty top dividend stocks in Malaysia

Company | Ticker | Sector | Marke Cap (RM '000) | Gross Div Payut Ratio (%) | Price as at Feb 8 2013 | Rolling 4 Qs Div Yield (%)
NCB Holding Bhd |  NCB | Port services and port logsitics | 2,116,139 | 174.60 | 4.5 | 16.22
JT International Bhd | JTINTER | Tobacco | 1,687,907 | 188.76 | 6.45 | 13.02
CYL Corporation Bhd | CYL | Packaging, canning and bottling | 47,500 | 163.04 | 0.48 | 12.63

NCB seems to be a very interesting thing company. And they're paying out 42% of profit, and seems to be relatively lucrative. And they've been paying for 10 continuous years, so any reviews on this from anybody else?
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NCB's dividend is not sustainable, sooner or later the dividend is going to be lowered... payout ratio is 174.6%.. where did you get the 42%

4QEPS =39.1 cent
4QDIV = 73 cent

How to be sustainable? Also these high dividend is only for 2011 and 2012 only...before that the dividend is in the range of 30 sen. Don't just look at yield, look at other factors as well...

This post has been edited by gark: Feb 27 2013, 08:06 PM
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post Feb 27 2013, 10:25 PM

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JTI is consistently paying in excess of its earnings, its not sustainable.
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post Feb 27 2013, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 27 2013, 08:05 PM)
How to be sustainable? Also these high dividend is only for 2011 and 2012 only...before that the dividend is in the range of 30 sen. Don't just look at yield, look at other factors as well...
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42% of what?

In regards to the main statement, I agree with what you're trying to say, that the company will definitely not be able to sustain the very high dividends for the past couple of years, but looking into history, if the management remains the same and plans to run the company trying to return their profits to investors with such special dividends, coupled with no loss of their fundamentals, then, I think, why not? smile.gif
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Silly me, was confused with the your statement, that 42% of average returns out of their profit after tax fpr the last 5 years.
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post Feb 28 2013, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 27 2013, 10:25 PM)
JTI is consistently paying in excess of its earnings, its not sustainable.
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Dividends are normally from their cash-flow. As long as the dividends are below their cash-generation ability. It's sustainable.

And JTI is generating a lot of excess cash. Which is why the paid the special dividend last year. Their normal dividends are still below their cash from operations.

EPS is not an accurate indicator of a company's ability to distribute dividend, although it is still an important factor. The cash generation from operations is a much more important data.

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Thanks skiddtrader for the heads up smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2013, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 28 2013, 12:50 AM)
Dividends are normally from their cash-flow. As long as the dividends are below their cash-generation ability. It's sustainable.

And JTI is generating a lot of excess cash. Which is why the paid the special dividend last year. Their normal dividends are still below their cash from operations.

EPS is not an accurate indicator of a company's ability to distribute dividend, although it is still an important factor. The cash generation from operations is a much more important data.
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Can i summarize,

If the cashflow > dividend amount given meanz is It's sustainable.

Then we see the yield, i try to browse thru EPS vs Divdent vs Share price more is better or how ?

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post Feb 28 2013, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(rivacordex @ Feb 27 2013, 11:46 PM)
42% of what?

In regards to the main statement, I agree with what you're trying to say, that the company will definitely not be able to sustain the very high dividends for the past couple of years, but looking into history, if the management remains the same and plans to run the company trying to return their profits to investors with such special dividends, coupled with no loss of their fundamentals, then, I think, why not? smile.gif
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If a company pay off all their earnings and remaining cash bank as dividends, it mean they will not have much leftover for additional expansion or they think that the future prospects is not good hence returning money to shareholders. Usually these are sunset industries (ie. tobacco) or industries which have regulated and can not expand further (NCB) as an example.

For me dividend investing we must look at dividend growth and dividend sustainability as a good criteria to ensure that the dividend increase will outstrip inflation and also the company is capable to continuously invest to grow earnings. For me a company with dividend growth of minimum 5% y-on-y and payout ratio not exceeding 50% is what i am looking for. History shows that company which is continuously growing the dividend will have the best of both dividend and capital gain (ie. Nestle, Dutch Lady, GAb...)

US have a good list of dividend aristocrats (increasing dividend for 25 years continuously) and dividend achievers (increasing 10 years)... anyone have the time to compile this list for Malaysia? drool.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2013, 09:56 AM)
If a company pay off all their earnings and remaining cash bank as dividends, it mean they will not have much leftover for additional expansion or they think that the future prospects is not good hence returning money to shareholders. Usually these are sunset industries (ie. tobacco) or industries which have regulated and can not expand further (NCB) as an example.

For me dividend investing we must look at dividend growth and dividend sustainability as a good criteria to ensure that the dividend increase will outstrip inflation and also the company is capable to continuously invest to grow earnings. For me a company with dividend growth of minimum 5% y-on-y and payout ratio not exceeding 50% is what i am looking for. History shows that company which is continuously growing the dividend will have the best of both dividend and capital gain (ie. Nestle, Dutch Lady, GAb...)

US have a good list of dividend aristocrats (increasing dividend for 25 years continuously) and dividend achievers (increasing 10 years)... anyone have the time to compile this list for Malaysia?  drool.gif  rclxms.gif
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hi gark,

Is this site you meanz ?

http://www.malaysiastock.biz/Report-Analys...-EPS-Stock.aspx
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 28 2013, 12:50 AM)
Dividends are normally from their cash-flow. As long as the dividends are below their cash-generation ability. It's sustainable.

And JTI is generating a lot of excess cash. Which is why the paid the special dividend last year. Their normal dividends are still below their cash from operations.

EPS is not an accurate indicator of a company's ability to distribute dividend, although it is still an important factor. The cash generation from operations is a much more important data.
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Not just cashflow... but FREE cashflow.

Ie. Cashflow from Operations - Capex = FCF
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 28 2013, 10:04 AM)
That is only 3 years.... you free to compile the 10 year list? laugh.gif Will be a great list for all dividend investors...

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Feb 28 2013, 08:22 AM)
Can i summarize,

  If the cashflow > dividend amount given  meanz is It's sustainable.

  Then we see the yield, i try to browse thru EPS vs Divdent vs Share price more is better or how ?
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But difference cash flows and accounting earnings will even out over time.

Buy plant and equipment > cash out in 1 shot, but accounting will depreciate over years
But over the years, the difference will zero
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Feb 28 2013, 10:09 AM)
But difference cash flows and accounting earnings will even out over time.

Buy plant and equipment > cash out in 1 shot, but accounting will depreciate over years
But over the years, the difference will zero
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Ini accountant say one must be true.. hahaha. That's why we look at operating cash flow - capex... whistling.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Feb 28 2013, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Feb 28 2013, 10:04 AM)
Not just cashflow... but FREE cashflow.

Ie. Cashflow from Operations - Capex = FCF
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Thanks for the clarification gark.

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