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post Mar 23 2006, 12:39 PM, updated 20y ago

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can someone give the detail of those consoles and the pricing , more importantly...?

think of getting new consoles rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 23 2006, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Shin-Trance @ Mar 23 2006, 12:39 PM)
can someone give the detail of those consoles and the pricing , more importantly...?

think of getting new consoles rolleyes.gif
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roughly around RM 1,400 to RM1,600 for a premium pack.
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post Mar 23 2006, 02:00 PM

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Actually consider quite cheap...remember when PS2 first launched it was like > RM2K here?

Anyway i'll daresay PS3 will be in the reign of RM4K....becoz SONY cannot undercut the market too much and kills off the market for standalone BD-ROM players (and piss off all the BD-ROM manufacturing supporters...last thing on Earth SONY wants to do) and the cheapest BD-ROM is hovering at USD1K....go figure.

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 23 2006, 02:00 PM)
Actually consider quite cheap...remember when PS2 first launched it was like > RM2K here?

Anyway i'll daresay PS3 will be in the reign of RM4K....becoz SONY cannot undercut the market too much and kills off the market for standalone BD-ROM players (and piss off all the BD-ROM manufacturing supporters...last thing on Earth SONY wants to do) and the cheapest BD-ROM is hovering at USD1K....go figure.
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Yeah i did't think of the BD-ROM. Now i really want a X360 already.
Anyway if cannot decide, be like stringfellow lor. Everything also have. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mikelee @ Mar 23 2006, 03:16 PM)
Yeah i did't think of the BD-ROM. Now i really want a X360 already.
Anyway if cannot decide, be like stringfellow lor. Everything also have.  tongue.gif
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post Mar 23 2006, 03:35 PM

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the killzone trailer for ps3 kills me
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QUOTE(ballistix89 @ Mar 23 2006, 03:35 PM)
the killzone trailer for ps3 kills me
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i'll help to un-kills you. the trailer is pre-render, not actual gameplay footage. remember those FF trailer they were putting before PS2 launch?
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post Mar 23 2006, 06:52 PM

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Sony has many tricks, dont buta buta follow they say thats its actual footage.
Get both la.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 23 2006, 04:50 PM)
i'll help to un-kills you. the trailer is pre-render, not actual gameplay footage. remember those FF trailer they were putting before PS2 launch?
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pre-renderd?! vmad.gif
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post Mar 23 2006, 07:07 PM

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stick with ps3!!!is sony!!!x360 just equipped with the going to out of date DVD drive wheather as the ps3 is equip with state-of-the-art blue-ray technology...not to mention is Cell processor made by Sony-IBM-Toshiba!it will certainly rocks!!!look at x360 games, last xbox no killer games(games tat really rock gamers) and most of x360 games is from EA which means all other console will have it...no fun at x360...no new techies, no killer games and not really tat cool looking...

cant wait to play mgs4:guns of the patriot!!!
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 23 2006, 04:50 PM)
i'll help to un-kills you. the trailer is pre-render, not actual gameplay footage. remember those FF trailer they were putting before PS2 launch?
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You mean these?

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post Mar 24 2006, 12:31 AM

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i think thats the one. but i remember it looks much better than that unsure.gif
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post Mar 24 2006, 12:40 AM

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Go for X360 for the time being because .... you can find hack to play backup DVD on X360 without modchip, just googling around... and our dear M$ swear to kill all hack on X360, so better try it now lor...
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 24 2006, 12:31 AM)
i think thats the one. but i remember it looks much better than that unsure.gif
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actually that was it smile.gif and the current PS2 game blow away the tech demo sony showed us last time
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i was planning to get PS3 cos i heard it was being released these 2-3 months but after reading the news that it'll be released at the end of the year i've decided to get Xbox360 1st then later on see how only get the PS3 wink.gif
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QUOTE(chrno85 @ Mar 23 2006, 07:07 PM)
stick with ps3!!!is sony!!!x360 just equipped with the going to out of date DVD drive wheather as the ps3 is equip with state-of-the-art blue-ray technology...not to mention is Cell processor made by Sony-IBM-Toshiba!it will certainly rocks!!!look at x360 games, last xbox no killer games(games tat really rock gamers) and most of x360 games is from EA which means all other console will have it...no fun at x360...no new techies, no killer games and not really tat cool looking...

cant wait to play mgs4:guns of the patriot!!!
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i dont understand why you ppl always like to bash other console. again and again ppl like you always here to create another fight between sony and microsoft. if you think xbox360 is lousy then forget about it lah dont waste your time here saying bad things and you just wait for ps3!

i am happy with my xbox360 and when ps3 is available i'll buy it too... because i got xbox and ps2 in my collection at the moment. to me both have their own plus points.
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QUOTE(karising @ Mar 24 2006, 12:40 AM)
Go for X360 for the time being because .... you can find hack to play backup DVD on X360 without modchip, just googling around... and our dear M$ swear to kill all hack on X360, so better try it now lor...
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laugh.gif x360 is pointless if you play alone~. no fun playing alone. best way .. ask your fren. join party.. or even.. complete mission together..

the fun part of x360
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QUOTE(DjiNn @ Mar 24 2006, 09:14 AM)
laugh.gif x360 is pointless if you play alone~. no fun playing alone. best way .. ask your fren. join party.. or even.. complete mission together..

the fun part of x360
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yet agood gaming console
should embodied a good single gameplay
by that i mean the ability for player to immerse totally to the game itself

the best is to bring it on on the multiplayer level
as well as total immersion single player
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post Mar 24 2006, 01:31 PM

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how come ps3 so late only launch ? to avoid having clash competition with xbox360 ah ???

and how much is the xbox360 in malaysia , got mod chip one or not ?

KL where got place sell reasonable price for xbox360 ler ?
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Mar 24 2006, 03:05 PM)
when and where were u born?
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ps3 delay due to the blu-ray "patent" problems or something....X360 currently still doestn have any mod chip available yet...

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QUOTE(Setsunahq @ Mar 24 2006, 01:04 AM)
actually that was it smile.gif  and the current PS2 game blow away the tech demo sony showed us last time
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wait, thats not the one. the main character have yellow hair. i remember the ads, the guy hair was moving while air was blowing to his face. it suppose to show what Emotion Engine capable of. of course later it turns out to be only pre-render. mad.gif
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dude... that is the one...(i watched it at gamespot lor...)

BTW.... for this thread starter.

If u can really afford to buy both go for it but anyway....theres only X360 now....go get it...

hahaha Ghost Recon Looks great!!!
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i agree GRAW looks very very good....elder scroll:oblivion look stunning as well....looks like more good games is coming for the X360 as well as some japanese RPG is coming to the box as well
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Mar 24 2006, 04:51 PM)
wait, thats not the one. the main character have yellow hair. i remember the ads, the guy hair was moving while air was blowing to his face. it suppose to show what Emotion Engine capable of. of course later it turns out to be only pre-render. mad.gif
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I tried to google for it but I didn't get which one you're talking, this is all I get

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8327861883399695464
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i dont like xbox cause its less japanese game support, simple and can say the most good reason i dont buy xbox.
there is still alot more reason why NamZycad3 dont like Xbox 360

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post Mar 25 2006, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(namzycad3 @ Mar 24 2006, 06:30 PM)
i dont like xbox cause its less japanese game support, simple and can say the most good reason i dont buy xbox.
there is still alot more reason why NamZycad3 dont like Xbox 360
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but the DOA4 is a typical japanese company's fighting arcade , and have already bond with xbox since the 3rd series , maybe DOA just being one of the rare jp game using the xbox engine well sweat.gif , maybe the TECMO is the XBOX fonder hahaha

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QUOTE(Setsunahq @ Mar 24 2006, 06:25 PM)
I tried to google for it but I didn't get which one you're talking, this is all I get

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8327861883399695464
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i believe the video that i saw is from FF-X
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lol TNL today xbox360 so hawtsssss drool.gif drool.gif
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post Mar 25 2006, 11:21 AM

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Wait for PS3!!!! sure wont let u down one
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QUOTE(Yapmy @ Mar 25 2006, 11:21 AM)
Wait for PS3!!!! sure wont let u down one
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off course lah wont let you dont... just look at the price smile.gif
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when will PS3 launch...must be very high price... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Gary1515 @ Mar 26 2006, 09:29 PM)
when will PS3 launch...must be very high price... rclxub.gif
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it was delayed to november i think... due to the blue ray drives
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QUOTE(judge-the @ Mar 27 2006, 08:10 AM)
it was delayed to november i think... due to the blue ray drives
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Then how much is the blur ray disc..the price must be higher than the ordinary duel layer DVDs...

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definitely......BR is already has super big storage
Dual Layer around 50GB if I am not mistaken
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post Mar 29 2006, 08:42 AM

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Anyway PS3 November release is Worldwide release or Japan release only?
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i believe its world wide release!!
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QUOTE(Milky b0Y @ Mar 29 2006, 11:45 AM)
i believe its world wide release!!
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yeah, coz it is region free!!! thumbup.gif
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ya....hurray for the region free.....and dont even dare to think of the pirze....XD
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QUOTE(mikelee @ Mar 29 2006, 08:42 AM)
Anyway PS3 November release is Worldwide release or Japan release only?
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initially PS3 was suppose to be release this spring, but now push back to Nov. there's no guarantee it won't be pushed back to next year. wink.gif
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QUOTE(mikelee @ Mar 29 2006, 08:42 AM)
Anyway PS3 November release is Worldwide release or Japan release only?
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from wat i read ps3 will be available on the 1st 10 days of nov in japan..then only worldwide..which mean ps3 will be selling worldwide on 11th of nov...

btw ps3 will available to play during e3.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Oh..Thanks for the reply guys. So better start collecting and enjoy those last months with the PS2. That machine gave me many sweet memories. laugh.gif
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dont lose hope
ps2 games are still running in till end of november
but when u have a ps3 u'll be able to play the ori games anyway laugh.gif
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Emmm.. I'm getting a Xbox 360 today.... and by the time PS3 comes out...i'll get the PS3 too.... so..... no issues rite?? Sometimes i realli don understand y compare this and that...juz buy onli la. Hahaha... but make sure u hav the enough cash....

*ps*...... I'm gettin my Xbox 360 by credit card.... it will be a hard time for me this month.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vivaldi @ Apr 2 2006, 04:38 AM)
Emmm.. I'm getting a Xbox 360 today.... and by the time PS3 comes out...i'll get the PS3 too.... so..... no issues rite?? Sometimes i realli don understand y compare this and that...juz buy onli la. Hahaha... but make sure u hav the enough cash....

*ps*...... I'm gettin my Xbox 360 by credit card.... it will be a hard time for me this month.... tongue.gif
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hehe...not everyone rich enough to get both..thats y got dispute between which one to get
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how much is Xbox360 now?
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QUOTE(kornelius @ Apr 2 2006, 05:54 AM)
how much is Xbox360 now?
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I'm gettin 360 for RM1550 premium asian set...
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QUOTE(vivaldi @ Apr 2 2006, 04:56 AM)
I'm gettin 360 for RM1550 premium asian set...
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how much 1 game for xbox360?
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QUOTE(KelvinThim @ Apr 2 2006, 03:34 PM)
how much 1 game for xbox360?
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about Rm150-160 for Asian release...
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I'm gonna wait for PS3.
I'm a PS fans since last time. ^^
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post Apr 3 2006, 09:02 AM

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Just bought Xbox360 in last Saturday at RM1900 with 2 games and 1 Final Fantasy beta version. Game wise i'll order from Play-asia rather than getting it here cause they charge for unrealistic price, PA only RM130~150.
Initially, i'm also wanted to wait for PS3 but the launching date keeps on pushing back so i switched to Xbox360 and based on the comment from various developers, PS3 will only on par in performance with X360. Beside if later PS3 has the game i like, i'll also consider getting PS3 as well.
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we dont get it because of the console's performance, we get it because of the games..only pc whores do that.
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well i'm a graphic whore blush.gif
eventhough played so many times, xb360 FNR3 still look damn nice drool.gif
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now im in dilemma..buy xbox 360 or bodykit 4 my car? sad.gif ahh how good if i got a lot money sad.gif
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QUOTE(sirnevio @ Apr 4 2006, 12:37 PM)
now im in dilemma..buy xbox 360 or bodykit 4 my car? sad.gif ahh how good if i got a lot money sad.gif
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If you more into gaming just get a Xbox 360 premium asian set, the price and game selection are pretty resonable.
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dont throw out your PS3 yet, rumours said that PS3 will have very strong hacking protection ( to prevent u play backup game ) and even they sucess there is alot more problem ( big Blue Ray Disc size will make the *Ekhem* disc harder to produce and blah blah balh ) u can see now the xbox 360 still havent have any modchip yet.

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QUOTE(namzycad3 @ Apr 4 2006, 01:01 PM)
dont throw out your PS3 yet, rumours said that PS3 will have very strong hacking protection ( to prevent u play backup game ) and even they sucess there is alot more problem ( big Blue Ray Disc size will make the *Ekhem* disc harder to produce and blah blah balh ) u can see now the xbox 360 still havent have any modchip yet.
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However when there is a challenge, hackers will try their best to hack it. Same goes to xbox360 security protection. Oh yeah..and not to forget about the demand for this console.

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Hmm...anyway...there's always pro n con on these pirated issues... but so far, Xbox 360 realli ROCKS!!! Most probably PS3 was revised after seeing the difference between Sony n Microsoft... Anyway... LONG LIVE CONSOLE GAMES!!!!
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I'll be waiting for PS3. Maybe this time I'll play nice...buying and supporting original games huhuhu tongue.gif
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Actually, Sony has made a very bold decission by employing the cell processor rather than the more conventional general purpose processor. Cell is good and fast for processing continuous data stream but lacking on branching capability will definitely hurt since gaming data is full of branching logic.
http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox...s3-part-1-of-4/
http://techreport.com/etc/2005q2/xbox360-gpu/index.x?pg=1
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu...360-1.ars?28280
http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=41078#41078
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I would say wait for the PS3
the xbox360 isnt that great in terms of graphics compared to the PS3
and eventhough the PS3 might abit pricy and the release date delayed..
the PS3 will come with nifty features such as Linux OS running on the HDD which will allow you to carry out tasks similar to that of a multimedia PC.
The PS3 also uses Blu-ray which can contain more data that equates to better programmed games with higher quality of graphics and sound where else the xbox360 still uses plain DVD which is ageing considering that next-gen DVD media will be out very soon.
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Considering the typical game for PS2 and PC now a day is around 4~5G so i don't see that there is a urge to move towards Blu-ray yet. This will unnecessarily blown up the development cost and price. And PS2 will be a lousy PC if it try to be cause of it's cell based architecture. Graphically wise, Xbox360's GPU has 48 piplines compare to PS3's not more than 24 pipelines. In case you don't know the recently demo from Sony is a big lie, which is only a CG not the actual game screen.
The usage of cell can be better or worse depends on whether the developer wants to take a much longer time to optimise the code or shorten the development cycle and hence reduce the cost and risk.
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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Apr 6 2006, 08:24 PM)
I would say wait for the PS3
the xbox360 isnt that great in terms of graphics compared to the PS3
and eventhough the PS3 might abit pricy and the release date delayed..
the PS3 will come with nifty features such as Linux OS running on the HDD which will allow you to carry out tasks similar to that of a multimedia PC.
The PS3 also uses Blu-ray which can contain more data that equates to better programmed games with higher quality of graphics and sound where else the xbox360 still uses plain DVD which is ageing considering that next-gen DVD media will be out very soon.
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u cant seriously compare 360 and ps3 graphic..
on what basis? PS3 Demos?

at least the 360 is "out" already.. and u can confirm that the graphics are not some DEMOs..
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cannot compared

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QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Apr 6 2006, 08:24 PM)
I would say wait for the PS3
the xbox360 isnt that great in terms of graphics compared to the PS3
and eventhough the PS3 might abit pricy and the release date delayed..
the PS3 will come with nifty features such as Linux OS running on the HDD which will allow you to carry out tasks similar to that of a multimedia PC.
The PS3 also uses Blu-ray which can contain more data that equates to better programmed games with higher quality of graphics and sound where else the xbox360 still uses plain DVD which is ageing considering that next-gen DVD media will be out very soon.
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good lah you already see the future in next-gen console gaming industry! things that not release yet already can compared with those up and running in the market.
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Sorry I can't resists the urge to reply..
Why is having Linux OS a nifty feature? Cause u have features of a multimedia PC? I thought we have always been watching videos and mp3s on our Windows OS PCs.

And..more data = better programmed games? That's a first.
QUOTE(raptor_cZn @ Apr 6 2006, 08:24 PM)
the PS3 will come with nifty features such as Linux OS running on the HDD which will allow you to carry out tasks similar to that of a multimedia PC.
The PS3 also uses Blu-ray which can contain more data that equates to better programmed games with higher quality of graphics and sound where else the xbox360 still uses plain DVD which is ageing considering that next-gen DVD media will be out very soon.
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Sorry I can't resists the urge to reply..
Why is having Linux OS a nifty feature? Cause u have features of a multimedia PC? I thought we have always been watching videos and mp3s on our Windows OS PCs.

And..more data = better programmed games? That's a first.
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I think mostly with having a OS the possibilities are endless, I think third parties will mostly exploit it the most, but that is yet to be seen. If it's that good think of what programs and features you can implant it with. Just my opinion.
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Considering the typical game for PS2 and PC now a day is around 4~5G so i don't see that there is a urge to move towards Blu-ray yet. This will unnecessarily blown up the development cost and price. And PS2 will be a lousy PC if it try to be cause of it's cell based architecture.
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what are you talking about? rclxub.gif
if even the ps2/xbox games use up 4-5 GB,what more the next gen?

dont you know that tecmo complained of insufficient space while developing DOA4? smile.gif
and thats only a fighting game... sweat.gif

ofcourse having a bigger medium is better,as they(the developers) can put in more data.(whether that prolongs the game or not is a different case,though happy.gif )

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Graphically wise, Xbox360's GPU has 48 piplines compare to PS3's not more than 24 pipelines. In case you don't know the recently demo from Sony is a big lie, which is only a CG not the actual game screen.
The usage of cell can be better or worse depends on whether the developer wants to take a much longer time to optimise the code or shorten the development cycle and hence reduce the cost and risk.
no,they arent all lies..
Konami (specifically Hideo Kojima) have/has yet to show something that he CANNOT do!
take a look at the MGS series.
all the scenes/fights/explosions/etc he showed during E3,TGS,etc,are all in the game.
graphically the same...and in some instances,the actual game is even better!

no game(with the exception of GRAW) has made me drool over the 360's graphics...
PGR3,doa4,etc all look like a xbox game,more than anything else... sweat.gif

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Really? Can u provide a URL that'll substantiate u'r statement?
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dont you know that tecmo complained of insufficient space while developing DOA4? smile.gif
and thats only a fighting game... sweat.gif
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Really? Can u provide a URL that'll substantiate u'r statement?
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i thought this was a known problem?
anyway,here is a little something for you to read..
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «





heres another one:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


and another:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «



just as examples,dont think i need to show anymore,you get the picture... tongue.gif


EDIT:
incase you think the DOA4 problem was just made up by a fanboy,i just found the news on team ninja's chief's concerns... here it is:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


believe it now? tongue.gif

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i don't see the big problem with the disc space issue... 1 dual layer dvd not enough, swap dvd lar... like the good old days... tongue.gif

in the end its all a matter of cost... how much will a blu ray disc cost? does anyone know? 50gigs is all well and good but i think gamers can handle a little dvd swapping right?

with this whole blu-ray and region free games for the ps3... i highly doubt we can see affordable USD40 ori games like the 360.

so yeah, will blu ray solve developer's resource woes? maybe... but i dun see it as a reason to not own a 360.. this is hardly an issue here.

PS. only games which have lots of HD pre-rendered movies take up lots of space.. take note that huge games like Oblivion can still fit snugly into a dual-layer dvd

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i don't see the big problem with the disc space issue... 1 dual layer dvd not enough, swap dvd lar... like the good old days... tongue.gif


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i dont know bout you,but if they can prevent that from happening again,i am all for it.
swapping discs is a pain in the butt...especially if you have more than 2 discs...

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in the end its all a matter of cost... how much will a blu ray disc cost? does anyone know? 50gigs is all well and good but i think gamers can handle a little dvd swapping right?
once in a while,sure...but not EVERY GAME! rclxub.gif laugh.gif

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with this whole blu-ray and region free games for the ps3... i highly doubt we can see affordable USD40 ori games like the 360.
i heard the shops in msia selling the games at RM300-500...nvr heard of RM200 games before... sweat.gif or has the price already gone down?or are you talking of buying through online shops?(not everyone has a credit card,you know? laugh.gif )

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so yeah, will blu ray solve developer's resource woes? maybe... but i dun see it as a reason to not own a 360.. this is hardly an issue here.
the 360 and ps3 arent the same as the revolution.
these two machines are built with gfx in mind...
and the current crop of games available on the 360 dont impress me...(again,besides GRAW)

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PS. only games which have lots of HD pre-rendered movies take up lots of space..

and isnt HD one of the factors to go next gen? huh.gif

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take note that huge games like Oblivion can still fit snugly into a dual-layer dvd

funny how a huge game like that can fit in a dual layer disc,while DOA4 struggles on a single layer(i assume their using single layer) laugh.gif
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i dont know bout you,but if they can prevent that from happening again,i am all for it.
swapping discs is a pain in the butt...especially if you have more than 2 discs...

once in a while,sure...but not EVERY GAME! rclxub.gif  laugh.gif
i think maybe until the day we see games with more than 1 dvd, i think its somewhat pointless to argue about this... we'll have another go at this when the time comes biggrin.gif

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i heard the shops in msia selling the games at RM300-500...nvr heard of RM200 games before... sweat.gif or has the price already gone down?or are you talking of buying through online shops?(not everyone has a credit card,you know? laugh.gif )


lol... wat are u kidding me? RM300-500? i think the guy at the shop was having some fun with you tongue.gif

even when the 360 was first released, the most expensive games were around RM250... when or where u saw i dunno lah..

now? i'm not only talkin about online, most shop are sellin it for around RM160... consult with our frendly neighbourhood Djinn if u think i'm jokin tongue.gif

RM300-500... doh.gif

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the 360 and ps3 arent the same as the revolution.
these two machines are built with gfx in mind...
and the current crop of games available on the 360 dont impress me...(again,besides GRAW)


cant really argue you if u refuse to see it... maybe u'll sing a different tune when kojima releases MGS for the 360? biggrin.gif

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and isnt HD one of the factors to go next gen? huh.gif
funny how a huge game like that can fit in a dual layer disc,while DOA4 struggles on a single layer(i assume their using single layer) laugh.gif


next gen in-game HD graphics? yes please...

loads of massive cg movies? err ok... but i wont complain if they're left out...

i'm guessin its a time factor with the DOA 4 team, along with the compression technology used...
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Hmm, I'm certainly surprised to hear that a DL-DVD isn't enough to make a game..but that's because they wanted to fill it with HD video. If a 40min 720P DivX file takes up about 1.4Gb, i don't see why a DL DVD can't be enough.

Oh, BTW, most 360 games costs about RM160-180 now.
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 9 2006, 04:17 AM)
i think maybe until the day we see games with more than 1 dvd, i think its somewhat pointless to argue about this... we'll have another go at this when the time comes

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biggrin.gif alright...

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lol... wat are u kidding me? RM300-500? i think the guy at the shop was having some fun with you tongue.gif

even when the 360 was first released, the most expensive games were around RM250... when or where u saw i dunno lah..

now? i'm not only talkin about online, most shop are sellin it for around RM160... consult with our frendly neighbourhood Djinn if u think i'm jokin tongue.gif

RM300-500...  doh.gif
i've never actually seen a game in shops... blush.gif
just read around...and was shocked to hear them say rm500... shocking.gif laugh.gif
rm160 sounds like a normal ps2/xbox priced game... thumbup.gif shocking,as well... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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cant really argue you if u refuse to see it... maybe u'll sing a different tune when kojima releases MGS for the 360?  biggrin.gif
well,he says it IS possible..
but seeing how the max space for the dvd is 17 gb,and his team's relatively minimal experience on m$ console,(comparing mgs2 substance xbox and ps2,the ps2 version is supposedly better... rclxub.gif ) it would surely use at least 2 dvds... sweat.gif
then you'll have two dvds to swap! laugh.gif laugh.gif

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next gen in-game HD graphics? yes please...

loads of massive cg movies? err ok... but i wont complain if they're left out...

i'm guessin its a time factor with the DOA 4 team, along with the compression technology used...

yeah,guess so..
perhaps given more time they could've done more to compress the game,but no worries,it is out already.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(welwitchia @ Apr 9 2006, 10:02 AM)
Hmm, I'm certainly surprised to hear that a DL-DVD isn't enough to make a game..but that's because they wanted to fill it with HD video. If a 40min 720P DivX file takes up about 1.4Gb, i don't see why a DL DVD can't be enough.

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i actually havent read the article about the head of team ninja i posted.. (i only read a statement of it in a mag) and its crazy to think a video can take 2gb... sweat.gif sweat.gif

a question for xbox 360 users..
for all the updates/patches/etc,how long does it take to download?(knowing streamyx dry.gif )
is it fast or slow?
nothing reaches 1/2 gb,does it? sweat.gif
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"The screen resolution for Xbox 360 games will be in high definition, so the pre-rendered movies are going to be pretty large," said Itagaki. "If we encoded the Dead or Alive 4 trailer from E3 in high definition in a quality acceptable to us, it will easily be about 2GB." This would leave around 7BG for game data, but for games relying on pre-rendered scenes to tell and develop the story, multiple DVDs may be required. Itagaki added how shocked he and his team were when they were told the Xbox 360 would use DVDs.
2GB, ya, if you compress it with divx/mpeg2/xvid. try it with wmv-hd or h.264 and you'll see how small the filesize can be.

pre-render cutscene are a thing of the past. even on ps2 and xbox1 some developer has stopped using it and rely only with in-game cutscene. with xb360 and ps3 powerful processing capabilities, the need for pre-render become almost to zero. and pre-render also to be blamed for false advertising the actual graphic quality for the game. if not mistaken advertisment with pre-render was banned in europe because false advertising.
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 9 2006, 10:49 AM)
biggrin.gif alright...
i've never actually seen a game in shops... blush.gif
just read around...and was shocked to hear them say rm500... shocking.gif  laugh.gif
rm160 sounds like a normal ps2/xbox priced game... thumbup.gif shocking,as well... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
well,he says it IS possible..
but seeing how the max space for the dvd is 17 gb,and his team's relatively minimal experience on m$ console,(comparing mgs2 substance xbox and ps2,the ps2 version is supposedly better... rclxub.gif ) it would surely use at least 2 dvds... sweat.gif
then you'll have two dvds to swap! laugh.gif  laugh.gif
yeah,guess so..
perhaps given more time they could've done more to compress the game,but no worries,it is out already.. laugh.gif
i actually havent read the article about the head of team  ninja i posted.. (i only read a statement of it in a mag) and its crazy to think a video can take 2gb... sweat.gif  sweat.gif

a question for xbox 360 users..
for all the updates/patches/etc,how long does it take to download?(knowing streamyx dry.gif )
is it fast or slow?
nothing reaches 1/2 gb,does it? sweat.gif
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updates will noramlly take around 5-30mins it depends on the traffic i think. my fastest update was about 5mins and the longest it was around 15mins smile.gif
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QUOTE(judge-the @ Apr 9 2006, 11:39 AM)
updates will noramlly take around 5-30mins it depends on the traffic i think. my fastest update was about 5mins and the longest it was around 15mins smile.gif
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shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
so fast?

how big is/are the file(s)? huh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 9 2006, 11:41 AM)
shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
so fast?

how big is/are the file(s)? huh.gif
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not that big i think... most of the updates we cant see the size of the files...

only certain files, like the kameo co-op pack for example... around 27MB

speed oso depends on time of the day u download... for me at least biggrin.gif

early morning and late night is very good... afternoon and evening tak payah harap doh.gif
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QUOTE(chrno85 @ Mar 23 2006, 07:07 PM)
stick with ps3!!!is sony!!!x360 just equipped with the going to out of date DVD drive wheather as the ps3 is equip with state-of-the-art blue-ray technology...not to mention is Cell processor made by Sony-IBM-Toshiba!it will certainly rocks!!!look at x360 games, last xbox no killer games(games tat really rock gamers) and most of x360 games is from EA which means all other console will have it...no fun at x360...no new techies, no killer games and not really tat cool looking...

cant wait to play mgs4:guns of the patriot!!!
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Lol, when it comes to tech spec ignore this guy. Games wise, he might have a point. Sorry for my rudeness tongue.gif
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QUOTE(evangelion @ Apr 9 2006, 02:13 PM)
Lol, when it comes to tech spec ignore this guy. Games wise, he might have a point. Sorry for my rudeness tongue.gif
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hehe... maybe, but once again it all comes down to preference.. i'm sure the 360 owners will tell u that games like oblivion, GRAW, and others are simply fantastic tongue.gif

but do keep this in mind.. console defining games rarely ever come out within the first cycle of games...

just wait till E3 and you'll get to see more of games which'll blow you away like, Mass Effect, Too Human, Gears of War, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey.. i just hope that sony will actually show us gameplay footage, and not another CG movie... doh.gif

but if gamers just wanna see endless next-gen rehashes of the same tired franchises.. then thats their preference lah, i personally cant wait to see something new..
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 9 2006, 02:42 PM)
hehe... maybe, but once again it all comes down to preference.. i'm sure the 360 owners will tell u that games like oblivion, GRAW, and others are simply fantastic tongue.gif

but do keep this in mind.. console defining games rarely ever come out within the first cycle of games...

just wait till E3 and you'll get to see more of games which'll blow you away like, Mass Effect, Too Human, Gears of War, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey.. i just hope that sony will actually show us gameplay footage, and not another CG movie...  doh.gif

but if gamers just wanna see endless next-gen rehashes of the same tired franchises.. then thats their preference lah, i personally cant wait to see something new..
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unfortunately,many people do not give new franchises a chance..
they tend to stick with the older ones...(prime example being BG&E..good game,but no one cared for it sleep.gif )
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 9 2006, 03:02 PM)
unfortunately,many people do not give new franchises a chance..
they tend to stick with the older ones...(prime example being BG&E..good game,but no one cared for it sleep.gif )
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ah BG & E... i have so many fond memories of that game... but i believe its still mostly ubisoft's fault that the game didnt get as much exposure as it deserved...

if a studio is truly serious about making a franchise a success... they'll put their full weight behind it... example:

sony with god of war, or microsoft with forza, jade empire, fable, halo...

these are all examples of success stories... a new franchise can work, but if and only if the game is well made and has the marketing muscle behind it
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I heard some of u comment of DVD space,the latest PC games should able to fix into a DVD (single layer) easily (point me out if im wrong.. i dont play the lastest game, i just google the latest game and look for how much space is required).....the graphics are obviously very good for BF2(on my friends 7800 GTX). Out topic, FEAR, i have yet to watch or play(duh) it....but i was wondering the low frame rates (HW reviews) are due to the bad coding or the graphic cards limitation are really really that good, how much better that BF2?

Of course with some thoughts, these are highly compressed file....hmmm. Say uncompress it and put back into a media, 50% more, dual layer should fit it nicely with room to spare, i might be going easy here, since at least one of the core should be handling the decompression real time. Obviously, movies and demos they put into the disc must be compressed H.264, putting RAW will be "not so smart people doings"( i think Blue ray disc wil be in trouble as well if it's all RAW(I could be wrong here about blue ray disc, but heck who wants (consumer wise) RAW anyway.

BTW fear need 5GB of HDD space.. it seems like dual DVD (8.5 GB) is on the edge of "not enough space"(Pls remind urself that there are 3 cores in 360 of which one can be made to decompress which might actually made the installation smaller). But swooping DVD isn't that bad, or u r willing to pay $100 or $200 more (or MS willing to loss $100 or $200 more per console, lol) because u r too lazy to swoop?! This points out PS3 has 7 core which is err, i admit it is powerful if properly programmed but it is also a over kill unless the core is used to assist the GPU in rendering as well.

Now put a case study:
I went and read some game review, reviewer say the graphic is really really good for FEAR. I took his word for it.

First of all the definitions from wikipedia:
1080p = 1920 1080
720p = 1280 x 720
Wat can both console do, this is base on my judgement, years of reading computer articles and MHO.
Games to like as good as FEAR on both boxes (assuming max quality, 4xAA is definitely)??
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Xbox 360 a BIG maybe, it graphic GPU is "non-existence" on PC market hence speculation is too hard. Anyway, based current GPU technology it will only play 720p, that's at 1280 x 720!!, at its very best!!

PS3, close or slightly more powerful than 7800GTX(speculated, of couse with at least some sort of proof and bases, PC HW reviews), will play 720p at its best!! Unlesss they can make cell to help out with graphics then maybe higher(probably unlikely)??

So if Final Fantasy looks as good as FEAR will probably be 3 dual DVD at most, not too bad... Or is it PS3 exclusive only,then only 1 disc very good but at what price?

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This is a definitely must get console for me, even if I have to wait for it smile.gif
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This is a definitely must get console for me, even if I have to wait for it smile.gif
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which console? tongue.gif
theres two here...or do you mean both? brows.gif
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BUY BOTH... BUY BOTH... AND IF MS or SONY RELEASE ANOTHER CONSOLE, BUY IT ALSO. NO MORE CONFUSE!!!

I BOUGHT A 360 LAST JANUARY THEN SOLD IT WITH RM20 LOSS. NOW, REALLY2 REGRET FOR SELLING IT OFF... SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT.
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Actually the whole issue is about the DVD capacity. But according to Microsoft, Xbox360 spots 3 dual core CPU which effectively can handles 6 thread per cycle. Which means x360 can utility 1 of it's core to process highly compressed data(with better compression ratio), this might further improve the dual layer capacity. Further more, the harddisk space can be further utilize for more space and capacity(no disk swapping). MS also did mention about the add on module for HD-DVD. So, i'm not too concerned about the disk capacity but the games quality itself.
As for the Blu-ray disk, you better have a huge pocket to feed it as i would espect it to be around RM400~RM700 per title compare to RM148~RM200 per game in X360.
Huge capacity is better off course, but do your know that you are paying for the unused space in the disk? If you happens to see the ISO itself you should know that almost all the games in the market are under utilize the disk capacity save for some huge title. So tell me are you going to fork out extra RM200 for a blank wastage capacity on the blu-ray disk and don't forget you won't be able to see any pirate copy until 3~4years time. Now tell me how many games can you afford at that kind of price.

By the way, PS3 doesn't has 7 core. It has 1 general purpose CPU+7 processing elements. Core is different to processing element as processing element is totally useless for handling dynamic logic for game since it don't has the branching logic with it, so its only capable of crunching sequential data stream very fast.

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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 10 2006, 09:22 AM)
Actually the whole issue is about the DVD capacity. But according to Microsoft, Xbox360 spots 3 dual core CPU which effectively can handles 6 thread per cycle. Which means x360 can utility 1 of it's core to process highly compressed data(with better compression ratio), this might further improve the dual layer capacity. Further more, the harddisk space can be further utilize for more space and capacity(no disk swapping). MS also did mention about the add on module for HD-DVD. So, i'm not too concerned about the disk capacity but the games quality itself.

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hd dvd is only for movies...games wont utilise it.

even if m$ changes it's stance and DOES support it for games,gamers would be short changed..
and the 360 userbase will split into 2:
those who have the hd dvd add on
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those who dont.

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As for the Blu-ray disk, you better have a huge pocket to feed it as i would espect it to be around RM400~RM700 per title compare to RM148~RM200 per game in X360.
Huge capacity is better off course, but do your know that you are paying for the unused space in the disk? If you happens to see the ISO itself you should know that almost all the games in the market are under utilize the disk capacity save for some huge title. So tell me are you going to fork out extra RM200 for a blank wastage capacity on the blu-ray disk and don't forget you won't be able to see any pirate copy until 3~4years time. Now tell me how many games can you afford at that kind of price.

By the way, PS3 doesn't has 7 core. It has 1 general purpose CPU+7 processing elements. Core is different to processing element as processing element is totally useless for handling dynamic logic for game since it don't has the branching logic with it, so its only capable of crunching sequential data stream very fast.

as it isnt out yet,we'll have to wait to see how it's priced..
even the ps3's price is assumed to cost hundreds of us dollars,but no one knows for sure how much it'll be...we'll have to wait and see wink.gif

as for wasted disc space,just get the titles you absolutely have to play...dont have to get all... smile.gif
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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 09:38 AM)
no xbox360 on display here in penang island, if they got i might consider buying, dowan to buy without seeing it first.
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Komtar and Prangin Mall have a display unit, in fact i bought my there, Komtar Ace electronic. RM1900, free 1 Final Fantasy XI Beta and 2 titles of your choice. The problem is they don't have a proper TV set to justify X360 graphic. But once i connect my to my 42" Panasonic plasma and 7.1 home threatre system, everything look miles and miles better compare to existing gen. console (PS2, Xbox or gamecube). You can truely appreciate its HD display and the 5.1 sound. Truely next gen.
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I'm definitely waiting for the PS3. Still resisting the temptation to buy the Xbox360. Don't have much cash though sad.gif
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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 11:28 AM)
xbox360 is expensive, somemore it is not moded, the games are selling at rm220 each at ace electrical. xpainsive. lol.
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if you think xb360 is expensive, wait till ps3 come out and see how cheap it is. the shop selling games at rm220 is cut head one. you can get games from Djin at reasonable price.

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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 11:28 AM)
xbox360 is expensive, somemore it is not moded, the games are selling at rm220 each at ace electrical. xpainsive. lol.
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Where did you get RM220? you can find many shops selling at a much more resonable price in KL. Unless of course you are talking about those non-asian version games.




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blablabla PS3....PS3 wait till it came out and u will said"WTF!! RM2999 for a console" after buy the console..ok now go get some games. and u said "WTF!! RM299 for a game!!" laugh.gif

dont flame me...because all my friends all over 30years old they also saying that the PS3 is so expensive when it came out....and they also change they mind and go for xbox360 sweat.gif
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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 11:49 AM)
no offence buddy but at least sony has announced a free online for gamers while giantsoft is charging for online play. the word free is always welcome. he he. lol.
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free? hello my fren, nothing good in this world is ever free... dont take everything at sony's word... how is sony supposed to maintain their servers and whatnot?

they're already gonna sell the console at a loss, then offer 'free' online gaming... how much do u think the games are gonna cost?

the cheapest blu-ray player this year is not gonna be lower than USD999, u think sony is gonna undercut their technology by how much?

remember the ps2's emotion engine was supposed to render half-life 2 -like graphics? this is all marketing speak..

even if ur a fanboy, at least accept the facts man.. dun follow blindly..
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QUOTE(tailgunner @ Apr 10 2006, 11:58 AM)
blablabla PS3....PS3 wait till it came out and u will said"WTF!! RM2999 for a console" after buy the console..ok now go get some games. and u said "WTF!! RM299 for a game!!"  laugh.gif


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RM2999 is still cheap considering it has a blu ray drive... wink.gif
so "wtf!!" wont come to my mind...only "it's a sony" will... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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dont flame me...because all my friends all over 30years old they also saying that the PS3 is so expensive when it came out....and they also change they mind and go for xbox360 sweat.gif

so being over 30 means you know everything,is it? rclxub.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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^ahaha whatever at least we all xbox gamer enjoying the 360 games tongue.gif and im only 21 icon_rolleyes.gif no more console war smile.gif if ps3 came out 1st i also bought it, but the problem is quite expensive if really do release mad.gif rclxub.gif


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Will failure OF pS3 break sony??
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QUOTE(tailgunner @ Apr 10 2006, 01:28 PM)
^ahaha whatever at least we all xbox gamer enjoying the 360 games tongue.gif  and im only 21 icon_rolleyes.gif no more console war smile.gif if ps3 came out 1st i also bought it, but the problem is quite expensive if really do release mad.gif  rclxub.gif
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i think even if the ps3 were to cost around 3k, most people here can afford it... the question is of course is it worth it?

most game developers (save the exclusive ones) are going multiplatform next gen..

so tell me, since sony said that all their games will be on blu ray, while microsoft stays on dvd.. do u think similar titles will be priced the same for different platforms?

and some peple say, yes it's worth it... because of blu ray rclxub.gif

err... has the format proven to be a success yet? could be another betamax... sony is pushing for yet another proprietary format bcos they've lost so much to the pirates thus far.

why would i wanna pay another few more thousand dollars when dvd is just fine the way it is... are people ready to throw away their entire dvd collection for another one of sony's "ZOMG TEH HYPEs" propaganda..?

the movie industry is already distancing itself from UMD... whos to say blu ray wont suffer the same fate?

dont get me wrong here, sony might make this format work... but i'm not gonna blindly fall for it based on sony's marketing ploys... show me something 1st sony, i dun wanna watch another killzone cgi movie doh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 01:16 PM)
RM2999 is still cheap considering it has a blu ray drive... wink.gif
so "wtf!!" wont come to my mind...only "it's a sony" will... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
so being over 30 means you know everything,is it? rclxub.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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you got the wrong idea already lah. he was saying all his friends and himself are over 30 years old and as a working adult rm2999 for a console is expensive lah. not that anyone above 30 years old knows everything lah.
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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 12:22 PM)
wow, i m cornered by xbox users* must commit harakiri now*
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you are not cornered by xbox users. we speak from our own experiences with 360.

the thing is it seems like you kept on bashing 360 by making comparison with the unrelease ps3. all your facts based on papers so why dont you just wait till it got launch here end of the year, buy it, own it, play it and then come back here and starts bashing 360 lah. then ppl like me will respect with your real facts then. but not know lah still too early too bash ps3 or 360.

since you are in penang and the 360 game over there cost about rm220 each then you make conclusion another disadvantages on 360. come on lah bro... there are ppl from kuantan and kuching that bought the asian games around rm160 each. they did some extra homework and bought their games from another member who will help them to poslaju to kuantan and kuching. see... think smart.

even though ps3 will cost nearly rm3k i'll still buy it with my hard earned salary in the end of the month. that's simple! why need to bash the other side? if you cant afford for both then choose one and live with it. really that's simple.


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haha, the dude dug his own grave..LOLz.

furious han, bluray is NOT sony's proprietary format. its just a new format, but its open.

even with 4 gigs, still a lot of dummy files inside. puls one dummy fan.LOL
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 10 2006, 01:44 PM)
i think even if the ps3 were to cost around 3k, most people here can afford it... the question is of course is it worth it?

most game developers (save the exclusive ones) are going multiplatform next gen..

so tell me, since sony said that all their games will be on blu ray, while microsoft stays on dvd.. do u think similar titles will be priced the same for different platforms?

and some peple say, yes it's worth it... because of blu ray rclxub.gif

err... has the format proven to be a success yet? could be another betamax... sony is pushing for yet another proprietary format bcos they've lost so much to the pirates thus far.

why would i wanna pay another few more thousand dollars when dvd is just fine the way it is... are people ready to throw away their entire dvd collection for another one of sony's "ZOMG TEH HYPEs" propaganda..?

the movie industry is already distancing itself from UMD... whos to say blu ray wont suffer the same fate?


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actually,i cant see them going FULLY cross plaform.
eventhough all the systems (360/prs3/revo) are all next gen,their not all the same.
360 uses dvd,ps3 uses br,and revo uses a different control scheme...

so i doubt many games would go cross platform.. smile.gif

but i heard somewhere that re5 could go to revo as well.. shocking.gif laugh.gif

and the ps3 is well capable of playing dvd,so no one will throw their DVDs away yet tongue.gif

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dont get me wrong here, sony might make this format work... but i'm not gonna blindly fall for it based on sony's marketing ploys... show me something 1st sony, i dun wanna watch another killzone cgi movie  doh.gif

everybody seems to talk like killzone is the only game that sony have shown... sweat.gif
why is that? huh.gif

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QUOTE(allrightall @ Apr 10 2006, 03:18 PM)
even if the ps3 cost an arm and a leg, i will still buy it, sony can make things happen, 100 million ps2 sold, playstation didnt become a leader by chance, that shows the quality of playstation brand. playstation is more than just a console, it is now a brand.
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the Playstation became a house hold name not because of sony,but because of the games...

its no use buying an amazing real life capable graphics machine when the games dont live up to the graphics...

look at the psx..some of the great games dont even have that good graphics,but the gameplay made up for it smile.gif
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Actually there is another big contributing factor which made PS/PS2 so successful, pirate. Due to the pirate, the games is easily obtainable and widely distribute. Try do this for PS3's blu-ray, you won't, there is no cheap game for PS3 at least for 3~4years, so if each title cost you RM300 and upwards, sincerely how many title can you get?

"everybody seems to talk like killzone is the only game that sony have shown... sweat.gif
why is that? huh.gif"

Cause Sony is a big liar, they did that for dreamcast and now they are try very hard to out perform Xbox360, at paper wise due to their inability to ship their product. In fact i really doubt they can meet their Nov. schedule at all. I'm expecting another delay to be announce soon.

Beside, if it really good and up to it's claim, i don't mind buying PS as well.

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furious han, bluray is NOT sony's proprietary format. its just a new format, but its open.

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hah, alright my bad wrong choice of words tongue.gif

but regardless... open but still not entirely supported by the industry...

in the latest EGM, i cant remember which hollywood studio exec said smth regarding the format war... " The movie industry has been duped, they somehow got dragged into microsoft vs sony"
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 10 2006, 04:09 PM)
Actually there is another big contributing factor which made PS/PS2 so successful, pirate. Due to the pirate, the games is easily obtainable and widely distribute.
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the pirates dont give Sony money,so how does that help them? huh.gif
if you are speaking of consoles sold,then yeah,the pirates do help somewhat,but the xbox has pirated games as well,but doesnt sell as well as the ps2...

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Try do this for PS3's blu-ray, you won't, there is no cheap game for PS3 at least for 3~4years, so if each title cost you RM300 and upwards, sincerely how many title can you get?
when you buy originals,you are sure to finish the games.
unlike pirated games which are only RM3-5,these costs upwards of RM150.
dont tell me you will buy as many as you can get your hands on?
unlike pirated material,you are spending a big amount on one game...
either way,(whether it is above RM300 or not) not many people would have the amount of games in their houses as they do now.. laugh.gif blush.gif
most would probably do what the PSP players do..swap/sell off after their finished..
that way,it wouldnt be too much of a burden to get new games wink.gif

oh,and btw,there isnt any region protection on the ps3's games,right?
so it would be no problem getting imports of games.
this obviously has made alot of people happy,seeing how we dont have to wait till the games we want to play are released in a certain region before we can play it laugh.gif

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Cause Sony is a big liar, they did that for dreamcast and now they are try very hard to out perform Xbox360, at paper wise due to their inability to ship their product. In fact i really doubt they can meet their Nov. schedule at all. I'm expecting another delay to be announce soon.
having looked at the current crop of games and some videos of what they showed then, (before the ps2 was launched) the games now surpass them.(graphically)
i havent seen all the videos,but they showed stuff like final fantasy 8's ballroom dancing,some skeleton models,etc and all look crap compared to the current crop of games available on the ps2.

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Beside, if it really good and up to it's claim, i don't mind buying PS as well.

laugh.gif laugh.gif
we'll have to wait and see,then biggrin.gif
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I think I read somewhere that the PS3 price will be around RM1700-RM2250 something like that la...because sony is going to sell the PS3 a third of its original price.... rclxms.gif And the blue ray format is quite a good way to jump ahead after being left behind by microsoft since the disc got quite a large capacity than the DVD...if u buy the 360...u need to buy the game but with multiple DVD which cost a lot since the game graphic is so good..and it take a lot of space tongue.gif ..so I think..u should wait for the PS3...just 7 more month till november...when the price go down a bit.....I'm gonna buy it icon_rolleyes.gif laugh.gif thumbup.gif
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killzone is for ps7.


but any comments on Metal Gear SOlid 4 guns of the patriots gameplay video?


kojima NEVER LIED before.

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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 10 2006, 05:58 PM)
killzone is for ps7.
but any comments on Metal Gear SOlid 4 guns of the patriots trailer?
kojima NEVER LIED before.
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QUOTE(allrightall)
even if the ps3 cost an arm and a leg, i will still buy it, sony can make things happen, 100 million ps2 sold, playstation didnt become a leader by chance, that shows the quality of playstation brand. playstation is more than just a console, it is now a brand.
huh.gif i thought Playstation did become a leader by chance. Sony was suppose to produce hardware for Nintendo, but Nintendo bail out last minute and Sony left out with all the hardware that have been manufactured.

QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 10 2006, 05:58 PM)
but any comments on Metal Gear SOlid 4 guns of the patriots gameplay video?
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MGS4 video is really impressive. thumbup.gif
but after playing xb360 GRAW, i'll say GRAW quality is on par with MGS4. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 10 2006, 06:32 PM)
but after playing xb360 GRAW, i'll say GRAW quality is on par with MGS4. rclxms.gif
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GRAW has exploding buildings,giant mechs and changing landscapes? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 07:00 PM)
GRAW has exploding buildings,giant mechs and changing landscapes? shocking.gif
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i mean the graphic quality.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 10 2006, 07:06 PM)
i mean the graphic quality.
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well,yeah i know you meant graphics,but it still depends on how much on screen action the thing can handle...

if it has stuff that MGS4 has,(giant mechs,exploding buildings,ever changing landscapes,in game enemy ai facial expression change,etc..)i would deffinitely love to get a 360... smile.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 07:00 PM)
GRAW has exploding buildings,giant mechs and changing landscapes? shocking.gif
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when will MGS4 be available? on launch day? 6 months to a year from now maybe?

so maybe it will be fairer to not compare it to a game which was released a month ago?

and i'd still very much like to see a gameplay video.... not a cg movie, even if it is rendered wif the in-game engine..

but the MGS4 video is very impressive, and i have no doubt kojima will deliver thumbup.gif

seriously though, when is the release date?
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 10 2006, 07:26 PM)
when will MGS4 be available? on launch day? 6 months to a year from now maybe?

so maybe it will be fairer to not compare it to a game which was released a month ago?
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the trailers for GRAW dont show much either...
just some soldiers with rocket launchers blowing people/vehicles to bits laugh.gif

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and i'd still very much like to see a gameplay video.... not a cg movie, even if it is rendered wif the in-game engine..

but the MGS4 video is very impressive, and i have no doubt kojima will deliver  thumbup.gif
err...so why do you need to see an ingame video?
even you're sure Kojima will deliver.. thumbup.gif
btw,did you see the video in which he and Shinkawa "disected" the MGS4 video?
amazing stuff.... rclxms.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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seriously though, when is the release date?

PS3 also not launched yet,how to set launch date for this title? laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 07:22 PM)
if it has stuff that MGS4 has,(giant mechs,exploding buildings,ever changing landscapes,in game enemy ai facial expression change,etc..)i would deffinitely love to get a 360... smile.gif
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what you want is exactly like MGS4, which means impossible, unless there's developer who willing to spend millions of dollar creating such games only to be labelled as copycat in the end. there's more thing in GRAW that makes it next-gen, such as flying paper/trash/dusts from heli winds, grass and trees waving realisticly, and very nice looking explosion, specially the heli and drone thumbup.gif

the trailer for GRAW doesn't do justice for what the actual games look like. the trailer just horrible looking video.
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metal gear didnt copy anybody bro, its the innovator of the tactical stealth action. i still remember when kojima unvieled mgs2, people said its freakin impossible to be done on a console, yet the end result is waaay better than the demo..still remember i bought the demo and got a free game witf it, zone of the enders.. and if u guys have a chance, please look at mgs online..graphically its impossibleand gorgeous....more beautiful from the offline game..how did they managed to pull it..i dun know..
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 10 2006, 07:57 PM)
metal gear didnt copy anybody bro, its the innovator of the tactical stealth action. i still remember when kojima unvieled mgs2, people said its freakin impossible to be done on a console, yet the end result is waaay better than the demo..still remember i bought the demo and got a free game witf it, zone of the enders.. and if u guys have a chance, please look at mgs online..graphically its impossibleand gorgeous....more beautiful from the offline game..how did they managed to pull it..i dun know..
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Yup, Japanese still doesn't fail to impress me. What's more we can count on Mr. Kojima san, the mastermind behind the already legendary MG Series. So I have high hopes in the next MGS series to say the very least, not sure what are they trying to pull off this time.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 10 2006, 07:50 PM)
what you want is exactly like MGS4, which means impossible, unless there's developer who willing to spend millions of dollar creating such games only to be labelled as copycat in the end. there's more thing in GRAW that makes it next-gen, such as flying paper/trash/dusts from heli winds, grass and trees waving realisticly, and very nice looking explosion, specially the heli and drone thumbup.gif

the trailer for GRAW doesn't do justice for what the actual games look like. the trailer just horrible looking video.
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no,no...
i meant does it have similiar stuff like that?

what impresses me about the MGS4 TGS trailer,is that it has all these things running in tandem but still no lag of any kind.(this is kojima,we're talking about..if he shows it,he CAN do it!)
most games i see have great graphics but
A)feature humans only
B)feature robots only
C)destructible vehicles only
D)certain destructible buildings..
E)combination of A+B
F)combination of A+B+C
G)combination of A+C+D

QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 10 2006, 07:57 PM)
metal gear didnt copy anybody bro, its the innovator of the tactical stealth action. i still remember when kojima unvieled mgs2, people said its freakin impossible to be done on a console, yet the end result is waaay better than the demo..still remember i bought the demo and got a free game witf it, zone of the enders.. and if u guys have a chance, please look at mgs online..graphically its impossibleand gorgeous....more beautiful from the offline game..how did they managed to pull it..i dun know..
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i wonder how many malaysians bought the demo... brows.gif
you know of anyone else?
me,you....anyone else? brows.gif

QUOTE(Zerol @ Apr 10 2006, 08:17 PM)
Yup, Japanese still doesn't fail to impress me. What's more we can count on Mr. Kojima san, the mastermind behind the already legendary MG Series. So I have high hopes in the next MGS series to say the very least, not sure what are they trying to pull off this time.
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they're trying to pull of a lot of different things..
pity the ! doesnt come back sad.gif
but such is progress...you lose some,you win some... smile.gif
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come on la guys, all consoles is best for me. already have 360, but i also want PS3 and REVO when they release. cannot afford it? try fishing, can make lauk rclxms.gif. bro snipersnake, sorry pinjam your magic words icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Firdaus92 @ Apr 10 2006, 05:35 PM)
I think I read somewhere that the PS3 price will be around RM1700-RM2250 something like that la...because sony is going to sell the PS3 a third of its original price.... rclxms.gif And the blue ray format is quite a good way to jump ahead after being left behind by microsoft since the disc got quite a large capacity than the DVD...if u buy the 360...u need to buy the game but with multiple DVD which cost a lot since the game graphic is so good..and it take a lot of space tongue.gif ..so I think..u should wait for the PS3...just 7 more month till november...when the price go down a bit.....I'm gonna buy it icon_rolleyes.gif  laugh.gif  thumbup.gif
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According to the latest 360Gamer Magazine, Bill is also left an opening for blu-ray. If the blu ray format really fly, he will release the blu-ray drive for X360.

By the way, have you guys see the epic fight in Kameo, it spot a lot of items, orcs, dragons in one screen, pack and the x360 glide thru. it without any hiccup, not slow down, silky smooth. The same apply to Call of DutyII, which lag on my high end PC but it bare lag at all on X360. With this kind of power, it really convince me.
Anyway, hope the PS3 don't disappoint you.
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 10 2006, 09:14 PM)
According to the latest 360Gamer Magazine, Bill is also left an opening for blu-ray. If the blu ray format really fly, he will release the blu-ray drive for X360.


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so who does he have to pay to release the BR drive?
Sony?
or all the companies involved in making br? sweat.gif sweat.gif

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By the way, have you guys see the epic fight in Kameo, it spot a lot of items, orcs, dragons in one screen, pack and the x360 glide thru. it without any hiccup, not slow down, silky smooth. The same apply to Call of DutyII, which lag on my high end PC but it bare lag at all on X360. With this kind of power, it really convince me.
Anyway, hope the PS3 don't disappoint you.

just watching the mgs4 tgs trailer is enough to convince me thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 10 2006, 07:57 PM)
metal gear didnt copy anybody bro, its the innovator of the tactical stealth action. i still remember when kojima unvieled mgs2, people said its freakin impossible to be done on a console, yet the end result is waaay better than the demo..still remember i bought the demo and got a free game witf it, zone of the enders.. and if u guys have a chance, please look at mgs online..graphically its impossibleand gorgeous....more beautiful from the offline game..how did they managed to pull it..i dun know..
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i'm saying that Mgsrulz wanna a game exactly like MGS4 for xb360, which mean the developer have to be copycat of MGS4. not MGS4 is a copycat.


QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 09:02 PM)
what impresses me about the MGS4 TGS trailer,is that it has all these things running in tandem but still no lag of any kind.(this is kojima,we're talking about..if he shows it,he CAN do it!)
most games i see have great graphics but
A)feature humans only
B)feature robots only
C)destructible vehicles only
D)certain destructible buildings..
E)combination of A+B
F)combination of A+B+C
G)combination of A+C+D
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that is dev kit running pre-render video, not the real thing. unless they start showing the real thing, i'm not gonna accept it as a way to compare with released games like GRAW. btw, i just finish playing GRAW online, 10 player, almost 30 AI, no lag in the graphic whatsoever. the only lag is the internet connection not fast enough doh.gif


QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 09:49 PM)
just watching the mgs4 tgs trailer is enough to convince me  thumbup.gif
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like i said, it's still cannot be consider the real thing. if trailer can be counted, then i can use FN3 trailer for xb360, which show the boxer looks totally like a real person. of coz anyone played it will know the actual games doesn't looks as good as the trailer.
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i'm saying that Mgsrulz wanna a game exactly like MGS4 for xb360, which mean the developer have to be copycat of MGS4. not MGS4 is a copycat.
that is dev kit running pre-render video, not the real thing. unless they start showing the real thing, i'm not gonna accept it as a way to compare with released games like GRAW.
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go and grab some trailers of previous MGS games.
compare that to the end product.
tell me honestly which is better?
i can tell you the end product beats the first few trailers anytime,and is on par with the latest of the trailers.
so whatever Kojima Productions rolls out on the e3/tgs floor,and they say it can be done,you better believe it can be done. thumbup.gif rclxm9.gif
Kojima productions are not some lousy first party programmers,and they never lie..
if it has been shown by them,it can be done wink.gif

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btw, i just finish playing GRAW online, 10 player, almost 30 AI, no lag in the graphic whatsoever. the only lag is the internet connection not fast enough doh.gif

streamyx... doh.gif shakehead.gif

online gaming in malaysia...no hope.. sad.gif

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like i said, it's still cannot be consider the real thing. if trailer can be counted, then i can use FN3 trailer for xb360, which show the boxer looks totally like a real person. of coz anyone played it will know the actual games doesn't looks as good as the trailer.

like i said before,go check MGS's trailers..all are in game graphics,and all blow the doors off of the imagination.... biggrin.gif

Killzone 2 is another matter-that was some video crap...they even said they made it a 5fps video or some shit i cant remember,but MGS4,they actually showed footage of Shinkawa and Kojima's tester playing with the lens/weather/zooming in and out of areas(such as Otacon's logo on Snake's suit brows.gif ),changing otacon's LIGHTING! and others... thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 10 2006, 07:22 PM)
well,yeah i know you meant graphics,but it still depends on how much on screen action the thing can handle...

if it has stuff that MGS4 has,(giant mechs,exploding buildings,ever changing landscapes,in game enemy ai facial expression change,etc..)i would deffinitely love to get a 360... smile.gif
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no need for GRAW, you aint doing urself any favors by missing Oblivion. tongue.gif brows.gif though I'd prefer the one on PC.
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no need for GRAW, you aint doing urself any favors by missing Oblivion. tongue.gif brows.gif though I'd prefer the one on PC.
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oblivion...nice graphics,but i'd rather get the 360 version...
PCs are too darn expensive to upkeep...and with oblivion?
need alot of new hardware... laugh.gif
not to mention a new hard drive!
i've only got 6GB! sweat.gif
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then get the 360! that game alone is worth the price of admission. tongue.gif but 6GB? holy crap, my photos take up more space then that!

but oblivion is not all about the graphics...it just...sucks you into its world. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 11 2006, 02:30 AM)
go and grab some trailers of previous MGS games.
compare that to the end product.
tell me honestly which is better?
i can tell you the end product beats the first few trailers anytime,and is on par with the latest of the trailers.
so whatever Kojima Productions rolls out on the e3/tgs floor,and they say it can be done,you better believe it can be done. thumbup.gif  rclxm9.gif
Kojima productions are not some lousy first party programmers,and they never lie..
if it has been shown by them,it can be done wink.gif
LOL, i don't have any video from previous MGS trailer, so long ago adi. but still, if thats the real thing i believe it is achievable, since the quality doesn't looks much different from GRAW, only lacking destructable building like MGS4.

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streamyx... doh.gif  shakehead.gif

online gaming in malaysia...no hope.. sad.gif
the lags comes from the 30+ AI movement have to be sent to 10 xb360, surely will lag. but when we play teamA vs teamB, 14 person, without any computer AI, no lag whatsoever. even pJ who's in UK can still join us laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Apr 11 2006, 02:46 AM)
then get the 360! that game alone is worth the price of admission. tongue.gif but 6GB? holy crap, my photos take up more space then that!
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blush.gif so embarassing... laugh.gif

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but oblivion is not all about the graphics...it just...sucks you into its world. tongue.gif

but you cant help but drool over it,too... drool.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
whatever it is,graphics is on par with gameplay when speaking of 360 and ps3..

QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 11 2006, 02:48 AM)
  but still, if thats the real thing i believe it is achievable, since the quality doesn't looks much different from GRAW, only lacking destructable building like MGS4.
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not only destructable buildings,but:
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stress just thinking about the money that will be spent on this console... sweat.gif laugh.gif

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LOL, i don't have any video from previous MGS trailer, so long ago adi.

if you really want the trailers,gametrailers should still have at least MGS3's trailers... biggrin.gif

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the lags comes from the 30+ AI movement have to be sent to 10 xb360, surely will lag. but when we play teamA vs teamB, 14 person, without any computer AI, no lag whatsoever. even pJ who's in UK can still join us laugh.gif

looks like tmnuts DO do a good job... smile.gif


ya,right...like that'll ever happen... laugh.gif

btw,you using 1 Mb or 512kbps? smile.gif

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i'm using good ol 512 connection tongue.gif
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erm..but i dunno la...mgs3 online very smooth...magic/
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If you want big giant robot try this http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/chr...unds/media.html
You can lay your hand on it in just 1~2months time, not like MGS4 which you wont be able to see it until late next year or 2009. See when did PS2 launched and when did Konami able to produce the previous MGS(about 4years, right?) and you can see what i mean.

In cae you want to see the raw power of X360, go see the up coming title, Dead Rising. The on screen zombies are unbelievable, literally fill the whole screen. Remember this is still consider as the first gen. game for x360. Can't imagine what they can do with x360 once the producers masterd all it's potential.

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erm..but i dunno la...mgs3 online very smooth...magic/
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it all depends on thier developer I guess.

you see GT 4 , Tourist Trophy . Why they can make that kind of graphics in ps2. instead of others crappy 3d ? laugh.gif
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Here is some good reading :-
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives...e_xbox_360.html

Here is another problem for sony:-
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060219-6216.html

And here is a more rational article:-
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060212-6162.html

and no, i don't means to denounce PS3 but they are too exagerating it's power. I would expect PS3 performance is on par with X360.
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i think the onli thing that the ps3 is more powerfull than the X360 ...its the Cell processor
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Apr 11 2006, 10:38 AM)
i'm using good ol 512 connection tongue.gif
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shocking.gif
im speechless.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 11 2006, 11:02 AM)
erm..but i dunno la...mgs3 online very smooth...magic/
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what can i say...Kojima productions.. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 11 2006, 11:08 AM)
If you want big giant robot try this http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/chr...unds/media.html
You can lay your hand on it in just 1~2months time, not like MGS4 which you wont be able to see it until late next year or 2009. See when did PS2 launched and when did Konami able to produce the previous MGS(about 4years, right?) and you can see what i mean.


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4 years?
IINM mgs2 came out in 2001...and THAT was already an amazing feat...MGS3 just upped the ante... cool.gif

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In cae you want to see the raw power of X360, go see the up coming title, Dead Rising. The on screen zombies are unbelievable, literally fill the whole screen. Remember this is still consider as the first gen. game for x360. Can't imagine what they can do with x360 once the producers masterd all it's potential.

yeah,that game is quite good.,..and who made it?
the japs... cool.gif


QUOTE(DjiNn @ Apr 11 2006, 11:10 AM)
it all depends on thier developer I guess.

you see GT 4 , Tourist Trophy . Why they can make that kind of graphics in ps2. instead of others crappy 3d ? laugh.gif
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it still depends on the game...
games like gt and tt only have riders...maybe some spectators...so it wouldnt take that much processing power to achieve the graphics that it can...
unlike games which have blood and other stuff,that'll surely be below the graphics of gt/tt as the console would have to produce other stuff besides the character models...and gt's ai isnt what i'd call brilliant....leaving even less for the processor to do.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 11 2006, 12:06 PM)
Here is some good reading :-
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives...e_xbox_360.html

Here is another problem for sony:-
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060219-6216.html

And here is a more rational article:-
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060212-6162.html

and no, i don't means to denounce PS3 but they are too exagerating it's power. I would expect PS3 performance is on par with X360.
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we'll have to wait and see come E3/november thumbup.gif
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By the way, PS3 doesn't has 7 core. It has 1 general purpose CPU+7 processing elements. Core is different to processing element as processing element is totally useless for handling dynamic logic for game since it don't has the branching logic with it, so its only capable of crunching sequential data stream very fast.
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Sorry chtan, i disagree with u, in general, processing element is considered as a core as well. Since Anandtech.com mentioned it as a core as well.
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whatever it is, its going to be a pain in the ass to code for, especially if a game is going to be multiplatform.
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In case you don't know this:-
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=14477

SPE is just a simple "core" if you really want to call it. By the way do you know what is SPE stands for and not SPC, it stands for synerfic processing "elements". It a specialized DSP like unit with SIMD which can process data in a very fast manner. The compromise was they are lacking on branching logic which is very important on gaming. They are good for processing continuous data stream but not the one with so many branches and dynamic data. PS3 only spots 1 general purpose processor which can be the bottleneck later on. With 7 SPEs, it can really fly provided the GPP can keeps up and allocate the job to them fast enough. Bandwidth is also another bottleneck for PS3 in later stage cause all the threads have to align and pass on to each SPEs, on top of that also GPU also sucking up a big portion of the bandwidth which is way smaller compare to X360.

Anyway, with proper logic you can avoid most of the branching but not all. This require the programmer to do an extra job and lengthern the product development and increase the cost and risk, which i don't think many of the producers are willing to take except some very huge and franchise titles. But i don't want to buy a next gen. console just to play 1~2 games only, right? Or risk playing mediocre titles which plaque by ineffeceint code which run better on X360 but PS3.

Tell me who is doing Assembly programming now or C/VB? Why?

Nevertheless, MGS trialer looking really nice tongue.gif , hopefully Konami can really pull this off in 2~3years time.

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Nevertheless, MGS trialer looking really nice tongue.gif , hopefully Konami can really pull this off in 2~3years time.

can, they proved it with mgs2. smile.gif
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Yes, thats the time frame we are looking for, right? So, no MGS4 during launch. Get your console and wait 2~3years down the road before seeing the actual game itself? Good for you and happy gaming. I'm off to fight some more Orcs now with Kameo. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 11 2006, 04:07 PM)
Yes, thats the time frame we are looking for, right? So, no MGS4 during launch. Get your console and wait 2~3years down the road before seeing the actual game itself? Good for you and happy gaming. I'm off to fight some more Orcs now with Kameo. tongue.gif
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i am used to wait. i wait for 3 or 4 years to get the uber game. i rather wait than playing the same game over and over and over again. wish bill bought kojima studios eh smile.gif ps3 is still months away, but i already feel comfortable and secure for my future purchase smile.gif
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 11 2006, 04:07 PM)
Yes, thats the time frame we are looking for, right? So, no MGS4 during launch. Get your console and wait 2~3years down the road before seeing the actual game itself? Good for you and happy gaming. I'm off to fight some more Orcs now with Kameo. tongue.gif
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the game is worth every second... rclxms.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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to add to that, mgs 2 was released on 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_So...Sons_of_Liberty

ps2 was relased for USA at 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2

do the math. not too long right smile.gif
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I mean MGS3, MGS1/2 is just a mediocre game technology wise. Anyway, you still have to wait such a long time for only 1~2 AAA games.
And all the rest will only utilize the main central core and ignore the 7/8 SPEs. That means, whole bunch of PS3 initial release is not going to be great, and cause of the code recycle issue, the producers will only produce 1 set of code and apply it to all platform with minimum changes and shorten the release time, they will never got a chance to fully optimized for PS3. The end result will be the game will run more smoothly on generic base console rather then PS3 unless Sony can really simplify the dev tools and SDK for PS3.

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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 11 2006, 04:14 PM)
to add to that, mgs 2 was released on 2001.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_So...Sons_of_Liberty

ps2 was relased for USA at 2000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2

do the math. not too long right smile.gif
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The availability of 3D graphics and the extensive storage capacity of the CD-ROM format compared to what the Metal Gear team had to work with in 1987 and 1990 made it possible to create a more complete version of Hideo Kojima's vision of what the previous games for the NES and MSX should have been.

just imagine what he'll do with a BR!
just imagine!!! drool.gif drool.gif

oh,and mgs4's tentative release date:
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A fourth game, titled Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, is currently in development, set for a 2007 release.

long wait?
hell no..thats a very short time...

QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 11 2006, 04:23 PM)
I mean MGS3, MGS1/2 is just a mediocre game technology wise. Anyway, you still have to wait such a long time for only 1~2 AAA games.
And all the rest will only utilize the main central core and ignore the 7/8 SPEs. That means, whole bunch of PS3 initial release is not going to be great, and cause of the code recycle issue, the producers will only produce 1 set of code and apply it to all platform with minimum changes and shorten the release time, they will never got a chance to fully optimized for PS3. The end result will be the game will run more smoothly on generic base console rather then PS3 unless Sony can really simplify the dev tools and SDK for PS3.
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mediocre game? rclxub.gif
do you read magazines?
news?
that "mediocre" game won
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On Oct 28 (Mon) at the Hotel Okura, the "6th CESA GAME AWARDS" ceremony hosted by the Computer Entertainment Software Association (CESA) were held. "METAL GEAR SOLID 2 SONS OF LIBERTY" was awarded the "GAME AWARDS YEAR 2001-2002 Excellence Award".

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MGS2 Wins EDGE Magazine's "Innovation of the Year" Award

your calling that mediocre? rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 11 2006, 04:34 PM)
here's somemore:

just imagine what he'll do with a BR!
just imagine!!! drool.gif  drool.gif

oh,and mgs4's tentative release date:

long wait?
hell no..thats a very short time...
mediocre game? rclxub.gif
do you read magazines?
news?
that "mediocre" game won
your calling that mediocre? rclxub.gif
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Did you see the word follow my statement? "Technology wise" is the term, gameplay wise i agree.
Let wait and see whether MGS4 can hit it's release date or not, in the meantime, PS3 launch date is keep pushing back and back.
By the way, you mean buy your next gen. and wait for 1 long year for that AAA title (seriously doubt that is possible, see the history when did Konami launched MGS3?) and at the meantime play all the mediocre titles which plaque by lagginess and slow down? No way for me.

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Did you see the word follow my statement? "Technology wise" is the term, gameplay wise i agree.

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what exactly do you mean by technology wise,then? rolleyes.gif
if your talking about graphics wise,obviously it cant be compared to today's graphics,thats just stupid...


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Let wait and see whether MGS4 can hit it's release date or not, in the meantime, PS3 launch date is keep pushing back and back.
well,technically there is no date..only a year...
im guessing it will come out in november/disember,as thats the usual date for release for the MGS games...(except mgs1..that came out around october/september)

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By the way, you mean buy your next gen. and wait for 1 long year for that AAA title (seriously doubt that is possible, see the history when did Konami launched MGS3?) and at the meantime play all the mediocre titles which plaque by lagginess and slow down? No way for me.

yes,i would...thats how highly i rate Kojima's work..
if i only had enough to buy 1 game,his game would be it..
cos unlike other games(even other konami games suck at times) his always deliver the goods...(ZOE,MGS,Boktai,etc...)
not to mention breaking the fourth wall at times..(in mgs,psycho mantis reading your memory card for one thing...what other game has done that? blink.gif )

another reason why his games are great,is because he has no problems making it fun.
most other games are always tense and make you alert ALL the time,and never let up.
but his has humour and other things to make you feel relaxed at times...
he even has no qualms mocking his own previous games:
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i am yet to see someone who has done that...(ridicule his previous game) sweat.gif

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ok tan, he is the mediocre jump. as we see it:

metal gear circa 1987

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metal gear 2 solid snake, circa 1990

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metal gear solid, 1998

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metal gear solid 2, sons of liberty around 2001

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and metal gear solid 3, snake eater end of 2004


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notice any 'mediocre' difference?

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 11 2006, 04:53 PM)
what exactly do you mean by technology wise,then? rolleyes.gif
if your talking about graphics wise,obviously it cant be compared to today's graphics,thats just stupid...
well,technically there is no date..only a year...
im guessing it will come out in november/disember,as thats the usual date for release for the MGS games...(except mgs1..that came out around october/september)
yes,i would...thats how highly i rate Kojima's work..
if i only had enough to buy 1 game,his game would be it..
cos unlike other games(even other konami games suck at times) his always deliver the goods...(ZOE,MGS,Boktai,etc...)
not to mention breaking the fourth wall at times..(in mgs,psycho mantis reading your memory card for one thing...what other game has done that? blink.gif )

another reason why his games are great,is because he has no problems making it fun.
most other games are always tense and make you alert ALL the time,and never let up.
but his has humour and other things to make you feel relaxed at times...
he even has no qualms mocking his own previous games:

i am yet to see someone who has done that...(ridicule his previous game) sweat.gif
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How is the price on Xbox360???
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well kojima is a great man...and his game is funny too laugh.gif thumbup.gif
about game play/graphic...his game din't lose much to other games...look at mgs2 and zoe2 ...the game really boost up the potiential of ps2.. thumbup.gif
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How is the price on Xbox360???
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I juz bought Xbox 360 for RM1450.. jap set... Asian set I think can get for around Rm1550..... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(vivaldi @ Apr 12 2006, 12:53 AM)
I juz bought Xbox 360 for RM1450.. jap set... Asian set I think can get for around Rm1550.....  rclxms.gif
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wat the different between asian set and jap set?
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 11 2006, 04:59 PM)
ok tan, he is the mediocre jump. as we see it:

metal gear circa 1987

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metal gear 2 solid snake, circa 1990

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metal gear solid, 1998

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metal gear solid 2, sons of liberty around 2001

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and metal gear solid 3, snake eater end of 2004
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notice any 'mediocre' difference?
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See the MGS2 graphic? It had been done to dead in PC and the grapchis is so updated during its time. Only the MGS3's graphic is great, that i call a jump in console eventhough this kind of graphic already exist in PC for years.
Technology wise mean introducing new graphic technique. Not simple 3D polygon, see what Doom3 is compare to others? Far Cry? That i called technologically advance engine.

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I juz bought Xbox 360 for RM1450.. jap set... Asian set I think can get for around Rm1550.....  rclxms.gif
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shocking.gif I'm selling RM 1480 Asia Premium Xbox 360 .laugh.gif

er.. back to the topics tongue.gif
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 12 2006, 08:25 AM)
See the MGS2 graphic? It had been done to dead in PC and the grapchis is so updated during its time. Only the MGS3's graphic is great, that i call a jump in console eventhough this kind of graphic already exist in PC for years.
Technology wise mean introducing new graphic technique. Not simple 3D polygon, see what Doom3 is compare to others? Far Cry? That i called technologically advance engine.
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oh my god... shakehead.gif doh.gif

you are comparing the ps2 which came out in 2000 to something that came out in 2004+,la....

if you want a fair comparison,get a geforce 3 mx card..hell,you can even get a geforce 4 mx card...even that (which came out AFTER the ps2,i might add) cant fight the ps2's graphics...

why are you comparing a pc to the ps2? rclxub.gif

you try getting one of those two cards,and play Doom3 or farcry,THEN compare it to MGS2...think their still good?
hell no...(i know for certain because im using a geforce 4 mx myself...and the graphics are BAD....)

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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 12 2006, 08:25 AM)
See the MGS2 graphic? It had been done to dead in PC and the grapchis is so updated during its time. Only the MGS3's graphic is great, that i call a jump in console eventhough this kind of graphic already exist in PC for years.
Technology wise mean introducing new graphic technique. Not simple 3D polygon, see what Doom3 is compare to others? Far Cry? That i called technologically advance engine.
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u r correct tan..damn u kojima!!!

making mgs 2 ON PAR WITH PC's graphics that has been out dated..and yet ps2 is so weak in its specs..so weak that it kinda like a pc with pentium 1 or two!!.yet it managed to emulate PC's power! damn u kojima!! daaaaaaaaamnnnnnnnnnnnnn youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!

hahhaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 12 2006, 10:11 AM)
if you want a fair comparison,get a geforce 3 mx card..hell,you can even get a geforce 4 mx card...even that (which came out AFTER the ps2,i might add) cant fight the ps2's graphics...
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actually, it can. tongue.gif my old geforce 4 mx served me well into to Doom3 (I only upgraded after completing wink.gif). still, the MX series are a shitcheap line. The Ge4 MX is really nothing much more than a GeForce 2 pushed.

Burga - who always thought MGS2 never looked as good as it seems at times.

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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Apr 12 2006, 01:24 PM)
actually, it can. tongue.gif my old geforce 4 mx served me well into to Doom3 (I only upgraded after completing wink.gif). still, the MX series are a shitcheap line. The Ge4 MX is really nothing much more than a GeForce 2 pushed.

Burga - who always thought MGS2 never looked as good as it seems at times.
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nope.
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nope, but it beats the PS2 flat. wink.gif
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ Apr 12 2006, 04:29 PM)
nope, but it beats the PS2 flat. wink.gif
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really?
mine looked rubbish... laugh.gif

as a result,didnt enjoy doom3 one bit dry.gif
the atmosphere was lacking,the graphics quality of the models were so-so....almost everything had to be disabled.. rclxub.gif
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hmm...I dont remember mine looking torrid. Sure I had to turn the res all the way down, but the real time lighting and the models (even on low) still did impress. Then again maybe I had a bit more RAM in it. Either way about it, the Geforce 4 MX was a con job.

PS: My old PC ran the first Splinter Cell (with more lighting effects) better than the PS2. Sure its multiplatform but that game wasnt really poorly coded for the PS2 (for that check out Mafia). tongue.gif

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hmm...I dont remember mine looking torrid. Sure I had to turn the res all the way down, but the real time lighting and the models (even on low) still did impress. Then again maybe I had a bit more RAM in it. Either way about it, the Geforce 4 MX was a con job.


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yeah,well its a budget card for a reason,right? laugh.gif

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PS: My old PC ran the first Splinter Cell (with more lighting effects) better than the PS2. Sure its multiplatform but that game wasnt really poorly coded for the PS2 tongue.gif

shocking.gif shocking.gif
i'd be impressed if mine came anywhere close to it! laugh.gif laugh.gif

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(for that check out Mafia).

ugh...terrible terrible game...worst than angel of darkness,imho... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif (the ps2 version,im talking about tongue.gif )
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comparing a pc with a ps2 is hillarious smile.gif
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QUOTE(snipersnake @ Apr 12 2006, 06:30 PM)
comparing a pc with a ps2 is hillarious smile.gif
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its still a console! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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yeah,well its a budget card for a reason,right? laugh.gif
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It was still a con job by budget standards. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 12 2006, 06:04 PM)
ugh...terrible terrible game...worst than angel of darkness,imho... shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif (the ps2 version,im talking about tongue.gif )
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Sad the PS2 version is in the state it is sad.gif. The PC's is a bona fide classic. (and one of the all time best on my list) smile.gif
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Giant robot, troops...look no further,http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/adventure/lostplanet/news.html?sid=6147706
I think the graphic is on par or better than MGS4.
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QUOTE(chtan @ Apr 15 2006, 03:26 PM)
Giant robot, troops...look no further,http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/adventure/lostplanet/news.html?sid=6147706
I think the graphic is on par or better than MGS4.
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its not bad...and with keiji inafune(creator of megaman & onimusha) in it,im sure it would be quite good.
but graphics on par or better than mgs4? laugh.gif laugh.gif nope.

i show you some screenshots of the CHARACTERS:

here is lost planet:
look at the face...like anime only... sleep.gif
so smooth,leh....human's face where got so smooth,one? laugh.gif
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now this is mgs4:
look at the face...details down to the last WRINKLE! shocking.gif
look at the moustache!
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and before you say "work in progress", MGS4 is work in progress as well... thumbup.gif

*sorry bout the big pics..i cant use imageshack for some reason... doh.gif

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I don't know about you, but I MUCH, MUCH PREFER a smooth girl's face compared to an old man's wrinkled face laugh.gif

Because I'm a normal guy tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Darkchaser @ Apr 15 2006, 04:02 PM)
I don't know about you, but I MUCH, MUCH PREFER a smooth girl's face compared to an old man's wrinkled face  laugh.gif

Because I'm a normal guy  tongue.gif
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have you seen OTACON?
very handsome compared to his geeky old self... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Otacon is indeed handsome man in MGS3 tongue.gif
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Hope Xenofreak doesn't mind... share some pics he posted in the 360 thread...

Too Human by Silicon Knights (The 1st in a trilogy of games published by Microsoft)

drops in the fall 2006... hopefully not delayed lah tongue.gif

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^^i read the cover of EGM saying this game has taken 10 YEARS to develop.... sweat.gif


Battlefield Earth,anyone? laugh.gif laugh.gif
jk jk...
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 07:42 PM)
^^i read the cover of EGM saying this game has taken 10 YEARS to develop.... sweat.gif
Battlefield Earth,anyone? laugh.gif laugh.gif
jk jk...
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yeah thats pretty much true.... started off for the PS1 but got pushed to GC, then obviously pushed again for the 360.... but it looks like the delays payed off no? graphcially at least...

keep in mind also that Silicon Knights left it on hold a couple of times to develop the MGS (GC) and Legacy of Kain games i think...
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ps3 price wont go lower than blu-ray player in the market now... and that is super uber exp... i think x360 have a capable of surpassing... wait n see lo.. if scare which better then wait for ps3 come out then compare..
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 16 2006, 08:42 PM)
yeah thats pretty much true.... started off for the PS1 but got pushed to GC, then obviously pushed again for the 360.... but it looks like the delays payed off no? graphcially at least...

keep in mind also that Silicon Knights left it on hold a couple of times to develop the MGS (GC) and Legacy of Kain games i think...
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it was a psx title??? shocking.gif shocking.gif
nvr heard of it before... sweat.gif

better not screw it up,or 10 years down the toilet... doh.gif

what game is it?
hack and slash?

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Apr 16 2006, 08:42 PM)
ps3 price wont go lower than blu-ray player in the market now... and that is super uber exp... i think x360 have a capable of surpassing... wait n see lo.. if scare which better then wait for ps3 come out then compare..
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a blu ray player in the market is $1000...you think sony would price the Ps3 at $1000?
that would be suicide,man...
not even sony haters say it's $1000...if $700 then OK la.... smile.gif

i'd wait till revolution comes out too...
see what they have to offer...
with the unique controller and stuff....im very interested in it tongue.gif
(though i doubt i will buy it.. sweat.gif )

ps3 would probably suck my bank account wallet dry... laugh.gif laugh.gif

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he PS3 launch looks bleaker and bleaker. We already reported that, yes, Sony will have no bananas - or rather, PS3s - at E3 this year. But a couple more insidious rumors about the PS3 are going around.

The first rumor is that, currently, the innards of a Playstation 3 are too large to functionally fit in the case. Although fat people can suck in their massive guts or cram fists fulls of cellulite down into a slimming girdle, no such option exists for the PS3, meaning that either the sleek and empty cases they've been showing off will have to grow larger to accommodate the electronic bulk or the components themselves will have to shrink... and soon.

The second rumor? Sony is still bidding on components. As Inquirer states: "This means the development is far from final, and it will be debugging up to, and in a Microsoft overheating manner, past the last minute. Not a good sign."

The last bit of bleakness is the rather astounding news that the OS that the PS3 will be running on will consume 25% of the system's core and 18.75% of the system RAM! Holy crap! Don't we buy consoles so we don't have to deal with that sort of OS overhead?
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/playstation-3-to-be-fat-and-retarded-166948.php
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 10:00 PM)
it was a psx title??? shocking.gif  shocking.gif
nvr heard of it before... sweat.gif

better not screw it up,or 10 years down the toilet... doh.gif

what game is it?
hack and slash?
Gamespot article from 1999

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Too Human for PlayStation
Legacy of Kain maker announces its first fully 3D RPG - Too Human.

Today GameSpot News has uncovered what the crew at Silicon Knights, makers of Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain, have been up to since the release of the cult classic. In addition to Eternal Darkness, its Nintendo 64 Resident Evil-esque title that we reported on last week, the developer also has a new PlayStation RPG in the works.

Entitled Too Human, this new RPG will be completely 3D based. Sure to please most PlayStation owners, the game will be completely void of load times. No publisher has been announced for Too Human, but one will likely be announced during E3. According to people who have seen the game (which has been in development since Kain), Too Human is one of the most spectacular PlayStation titles yet.

We'll have plenty more on Too Human in the coming weeks, including screenshots and game details.


Too Human is an action RPG like god of war..
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 16 2006, 10:52 PM)
Gamespot article from 1999
Too Human is an action RPG like god of war..
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silicon knights have a nasty habit of postponing their games,dont they...
this one first being psx,eventually being 360,ED first being n64 eventually being GC... rclxub.gif

btw,its being published by microsoft the world over(means every region) or just in the states? huh.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 10:56 PM)
silicon knights have a nasty habit of postponing their games,dont they...
this one first being psx,eventually being 360,ED first being n64 eventually being GC... rclxub.gif

btw,its being published by microsoft the world over(means every region) or just in the states? huh.gif
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yeah they do.... current release date stands at fall 2006... all we can do is sit and wait...

yeah its MS... count on it getting a worldwide release thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Furious Han @ Apr 16 2006, 11:06 PM)
yeah they do.... current release date stands at fall 2006... all we can do is sit and wait...

yeah its MS... count on it getting a worldwide release thumbup.gif
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regarding the Region "problem",the ps3 is supposed to be region free,so every console from anywhere can play games from any region.
how would that effect publishing rights?

some games like i ninja (IIRC) was publish by a 3rd party company in the states,but publish by SONY in Europe.as a result,it was a ps2 exclusive in Europe.

if sony's region free ps3 means the publishers MUST secure the rights to publish each game the world over,would that cause problems?

another example:
last time i checked ff9 was published,in USA:
by Square EA.(square and EA)
in Europe:
Eidos(IIRC sweat.gif )
in Japan:
Squaresoft

so if there is no region,then when final fantasy comes out in japan,square-enix would have to publish it everywhere? shocking.gif

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 10:26 PM)
Click me and try your best NOT to laugh... laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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That was taken at last year X05, it was b4 X360 was released. March this year, X360 prove its next gen capabilities with GRAW , OBLIVION.
As of now PS3 is still a long way to go. And blue ray is really still expensive.
Kevin is a HOST. He entertains the viewers. If you have watch AOTS all this while, you will see that Kevin mock's the PS3 also. Its his personal views and what the network view.
I'm not saying that the X360 is better than the PS3 coz im a MS hommie, I'm just saying if you want next gen NOW, go with the X360 , else wait, say a good 8mths or a year to get your hands on the thing they call PS3. Even then $$$ will still be a concern.
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Like the Xbox 360, these come at a cost and our sources have told us that these features use approximately:

- 64mb of the 256mb of available XDR memory off the Cell CPU
- 32mb of the 256mb of available GDDR3 memory off the RSX chip
- 1 SPE of 7 constantly reserved
- 1 SPE of 7 able to be "taken" by the OS at a moments notice (games have to give it up if requested)

In the case of the PS3 this equates to 12.5% of the available Cores on the CPU always reserved, an additional 12.5% sometimes taken by the OS, 12.5% of the available RSX memory and 25% of XDR Cell memory.  Balancing these out, one could argue that Sony has removed up to 25% of  the available CPU power and 18.75% of RAM for these features as well as others that are not mentioned here or will be added in future updates to the PS3 Operation System.
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QUOTE(shumaky @ Apr 18 2006, 08:48 AM)
That was taken at last year X05, it was b4 X360 was released. March this year, X360 prove its next gen capabilities with GRAW , OBLIVION.
As of now PS3 is still a long way to go. And blue ray is really still expensive.
Kevin is a HOST. He entertains the viewers. If you have watch AOTS all this while, you will see that Kevin mock's the PS3 also. Its his personal views and what the network view.
I'm not saying that the X360 is better than the PS3 coz im a MS hommie, I'm just saying if you want next gen NOW, go with the X360 , else wait, say a good 8mths or a year to get your hands on the thing they call PS3. Even then $$$ will still be a concern.
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here?
in malaysia?
a pirate infested country?
highly doubt it... sweat.gif
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^ get last weeks episode.. cant recall which one.
They were talking bout the GDC where Sony didnt really show the actual thing yet any gameplay footage. So he was hoping that by MAY, E3, sony would do so.
go BT.
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I'm a XBOX 360 user and I'm happy wif both console and games... By the time PS3 out i still will go for it!!! LONG LIVE CONSOLE!!!
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Wait for PS3 to come out then you see the difference and then only you buy what you think is better, after all there is no *ahem* for both consoles yet. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ps2 @ Apr 20 2006, 11:53 AM)
Wait for PS3 to come out then you see the difference and then only you buy what you think is better, after all there is no *ahem* for both consoles yet. biggrin.gif
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I think that there will be release a "ahem" games for Xbox 360 later...but for PS3,i dont think so couse using the blueray disc,or maybe got "ahem"for PS3...who knows whistling.gif
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XBL really changed my gaming lifestlye. Now going legit is really worthwhile.
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QUOTE(shumaky @ Apr 21 2006, 11:43 PM)
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XBL really changed my gaming lifestlye. Now going legit is really worthwhile.
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 11:20 PM)
regarding the Region "problem",the ps3 is supposed to be region free,so every console from anywhere can play games from any region.
how would that effect publishing rights?

some games like i ninja (IIRC) was publish by a 3rd party company in the states,but publish by SONY in Europe.as a result,it was a ps2 exclusive in Europe.

if sony's region free ps3 means the publishers MUST secure the rights to publish each game the world over,would that cause problems?

another example:
last time i checked ff9 was published,in USA:
by Square EA.(square and EA)
in Europe:
Eidos(IIRC  sweat.gif )
in Japan:
Squaresoft

so if there is no region,then when final fantasy comes out in japan,square-enix would have to publish it everywhere? shocking.gif
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post Jul 8 2006, 05:39 PM

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whats what i posted got anything to do with piracy?
FYI,pirates dont publish.
they just take and reproduce without paying royalty fees.
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post Jul 11 2006, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Jul 8 2006, 05:39 PM)
whats what i posted got anything to do with piracy?
FYI,pirates dont publish.
they just take and reproduce without paying royalty fees.
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post Jul 11 2006, 04:52 PM

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post Jul 11 2006, 07:13 PM

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my point is buy 360 first, ps3 price will be to ex
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post Jul 11 2006, 08:13 PM

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post Jul 11 2006, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Apr 16 2006, 11:20 PM)
regarding the Region "problem",the ps3 is supposed to be region free,so every console from anywhere can play games from any region.
how would that effect publishing rights?
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maybe the initial publisher (whether its EA, Ubisoft or Capcom) just release one version worldwide. different language packs will be offered via download. this can work for fighting, action, driving, sports games. RPGs are a different beast all together.
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post Jul 11 2006, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(acougan @ Jul 11 2006, 08:26 PM)
maybe the initial publisher (whether its EA, Ubisoft or Capcom) just release one version worldwide. different language packs will be offered via download. this can work for fighting, action, driving, sports games. RPGs are a different beast all together.
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that would (might) beat the purpose of having Blu Ray in the first place,wouldnt it?

 

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