the price is still 1150 now for F30?? with memory card?

i kinda like the cam but my budget is within 1k... dunno got place selling it with such price or not...

huhu i dnt thnk u can get the f30 anymore dude.. they stop producing dos already..try to look arnd for the f31 fd, hope u can get one, coz they have already selling the f40 now


really2 glad i bought mine earlier, i prefer the f30 design compared to the f31

wHaT??!! why....why.....why......

f31 is a new upgraded/improved model of f30, they fix some probs, so better get f31.

f40 is a different model, it replace f20, got nothing to do with f30/f31.

[quote=greyPJ,May 11 2007, 10:11 AM]f31 is a new upgraded/improved model of f30, they fix some probs, so better get f31.

f40 is a different model, it replace f20, got nothing to do with f30/f31.

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Correction: The F40d is a 'different model', yes, but it is still part of the Fuji F series, which means that they are all basically from the same family (after all, are they all not 6.3 megapixels, except for the F40d?). The F40d is an upgrade to the earlier models - F10>F11>F30>F20>F31 (the F20 being introduced after the F30 because Fuji wanted to introduce a 'economical' model without the F30's frills).

The F40d is an upgrade for two reasons:

1. The increase in megapixels, from 6 to 8
2. The dual memory card usage - xd and sd, a first in the F series

As for picture quality, it goes without saying that the higher the megapixels, the higher the possibility of noise. That's probably why Fuji opted to go for a maximum ISO of 2000 - but in most other areas, it is the same as the F30, or F20, or F31d in terms of image quality.

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Added on May 15, 2007, 12:18 pm[quote=greyPJ,May 11 2007, 10:11 AM]
f31 is a new upgraded/improved model of f30, they fix some probs, so better get f31.

And by the way, the introduction of the F31d was not to 'fix some problems' on the F30, but rather it was a very minor upgrade to the F30, with the addition of the hardware-based face recognition technology debuted on the S6500fd (using the Real Photo Processor II). The only other change was the addition of IR communication capabilitles.

Other than this, there is no difference in image quality between the F30 and F31d.

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Added on May 15, 2007, 12:24 pm[quote=greyPJ,May 11 2007, 10:11 AM]
f31 is a new upgraded/improved model of f30, they fix some probs, so better get f31.
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And by the way, the F31d was introduced not because they wanted to 'fix some problems' on the F30. It was launched because of one minor upgrade - the hardware-based face recognition technology that debuted on the S6500fd (using the Real Photo Processor II). The only other change was the addition of IR communication capabilitles.

As far as image quality is concerned, there is no difference between the F30 and F31d.


This post has been edited by goodkarma: May 15 2007, 12:24 PM

see this post:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=9840522

-F31fd replaced the F30, F30 replaced the F11 (manual control line)
max iso 3200

-F40fd replaced the F20, F20 replaced the F10 (automatic line)
max iso 2000


F series:
model A: (with AP/SP control) F11=>F30=>F31fd=>F50fd
model B: (wihout AP/SP cont) F10=>F20 =>F40fd=>F60fd

f31fd fixed overexpose prob in f30, no need to set -1/3 anymore.

This post has been edited by greyPJ: May 15 2007, 12:43 PM

Good info, and Fujifilm may thank you for creating a "Model A" line and a "Model B" line. Check with Fuji - there is no such thing. There is only the F series - one model line.

Flagship line

F10
The first breakthrough model of the F-series, the 6.3-megapixel FinePix F10, was announced in February 2005 and became available on April 30 of that year. The F10 met with widespread critical acclaim and became a hit seller for Fujifilm.[2] It was the first time such low noise levels had been seen at ISO 800 and 1600 in a digital compact camera.

In addition to its ISO capability, the F10's success was also fueled by its excellent battery life, speedy shooting, and overall picture quality. One of the camera's weaknesses, however, was manual shooting. Lacking aperture and shutter speed priority modes, the F10 was mostly a point and shoot camera. Other criticisms included the proprietary dongle needed to make any connections to the camera and a relatively high level of purple fringing.

F11
The F10's sibling, the FinePix F11, which was not released in the United States except the state of Hawaii, added aperture and shutter priority modes but still did not provide full manual control. It also had a slightly improved LCD screen and a few other minor improvements to the F10.

F30
In May 2006, the F11 was succeeded by the FinePix F30, which added 3200 ISO in full resolution using a 1/1.7" 6th generation Super CCD chip and 2nd generation "RealPhoto technology" including an "intelligent flash". Based on sample images, noise reduction was improved slightly over the F10/F11. Although there is definite noise in pictures taken at 3200 ISO, they are often usable, and the F30 was seen as another leap forward in low-light abilities for a compact camera. As one reviewer stated,

" The F30's claim to fame is its high ISO performance, which is unmatched in the compact camera arena. [...] It offers low light performance that approaches (but doesn't match) digital SLRs, and it's pretty good at the other stuff too."

Jeff Keller, DCResource.com

The F30 also added a new, much higher-resolution LCD screen, improved battery life, an improved menu system, and several new modes including "Natural Light & Flash" in which the camera shoots two pictures in quick succession, one with flash and one without, so the better picture can be chosen later.

F31fd
In September 2006, the F30 was succeeded by the FinePix F31fd[4] - Fuji's first pocketable digital camera to feature hardware-based Face Detection technology, which debuted with the introduction of the FinePix S6500fd. Face Detection is ensuring that camera automatically focuses on and exposes for faces, rather than details that can confuse other cameras. It is capable of coping with up to ten faces in a frame. Fujifilm's Face Detection unique technology is built-in to the camera's processor, enabling it to identify faces, optimise settings and take the photo within just 0.05 seconds.

The F31fd also has a new IrSimple data transfer capability for wireless printing and photos viewing on IrSimple enabled TV sets.

FinePix F31fd has 15 scene positions including beach, snow and fireworks for optimum photography, no matter what the event. Its underwater scene mode acts in the same way as a red filter and, when teamed with the WP-FXF30 underwater housing, ensures that images from diving and snorkelling are close to what the human eye sees.

F20
In July 2006, Fujifilm announced the FinePix F20, a lower-priced, slightly scaled-down version of the F30 that maintains most of the same features but is geared more towards non-enthusiast users. Compared to the F30, the F20 has a lower-resolution LCD screen, lower capacity battery, a maximum ISO of 2000, and a few other changes to the body and menu system. It also lacks Aperture Priority and Shutter Priority modes.

F40fd
In March 2007, Fujifilm released the newest camera in the line, the F40fd, priced $299. It features 8.3 megapixels and many similar other features to the F30fd. Notable differences is the maximum ISO being 2000 instead of 3200, due to higher pixel count. The new camera, however can utilize either xD-Picture Card or SD memory card.

so you are saying that:

F10 replace by F11
F11 replace by F30
F30 replace by F20
F20 replace by F31
F31 replace by F40

is it correct?

wanna bet? RM50 the loser pay, we open a thread in dpreview and ask the reviewer of other professional sites, ok?

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Added on May 18, 2007, 2:00 pmon second thought, i should not take advantage of your lack of insight.

go to http://www.dcresource.com/

you will see this on the front page:


read the one underlined in red, Jeff is a professional reviewer, if you dont trust his view and continue with your bleh bleh bleh.... then i cant help you, you will have to live in the burble of ignorant, all the pro know there are 2 models in the F series, all the camera enthusiasts know it, fuji dont bother to explain it because it might confuse the general camera buyer and it can also affect the sales of F20 the Auto model.

This post has been edited by greyPJ: May 18 2007, 02:00 PM

Before you make stupid conclusions, re-read what I wrote. I am NOT talking about what replaced which model, I am just saying that all the cameras are part of the same family - the F series, and they came in the order I listed them. SAME family, NO "A" or "B" line - as was so brilliantly pointed out by you.

You are not the only one who reads photographic websites. And all Jeff Keller is saying is that the F40 is not a replacement for the F30 and F31 - did I ever say that it was???

No need to bet rm50, you will lose.

yeah, you didnt say it, you stupidly group F20 and F30 together.

Please check the dictionary. Upgrade has a DIFFERENT meaning from replacement. I said upgrade, not replacement. Who's stupid now?

Since you are the type who always want to have the last word and don't like it when you are proven wrong, go ahead and continue your rambling. I shall not waste my time debating with ill-informed characters.

Ad Hominem attack, yea thats a great way to end an argument when you lose.

to summarize:

model A: F40 is an upgrade to F20.
model B: F31 is an upgrade to F30.

they are different model/line, same F series, dont mix them up.

I guess you, being a "senior member", yet proclaiming himself to be "artificially stupid", which I agree, must be right then......