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post Jan 13 2013, 04:11 PM, updated 13y ago

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post Jan 13 2013, 04:14 PM

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why u close so early?
forum rules 2500 posts / 125 pages whichever first.
should've left it open for the customary GOAL, TIANG, FOUL, REF KAYU comments like before.
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post Jan 13 2013, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 13 2013, 04:14 PM)
why u close so early?
forum rules 2500 posts  / 125 pages whichever first.
should've left it open for the customary GOAL, TIANG, FOUL, REF KAYU comments like before.
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THREAD WILL BE REOPEN AFTER MATCH GAME TO AVOID


" GOAL"

"AIYAAAAAAA NO GOAL" etc one liner.

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post Jan 13 2013, 11:27 PM

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sigh... again... towards the end baru nak press...anyways at least no controversies this time smile.gif
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:28 PM

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2-1, I guess we kinda deserved that since we only turned up in the second half.

Allen needed to do the Lucas-Henderson treatment (criticize until become diamond)

But still sucks to lose though sad.gif
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knowing we make ferguson out of his seat and united fan worry is good enough for me.... again.. brandon make his starting 11 selection wrong... should've start with henderson....


sterling looks like shit in past few games..... except against sunderland
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we lost at 1st hallf.after this suarez must be play with sturridge up front.no more lucas+allen combo or else BR will been smash by my victor racquect
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:31 PM

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1. wasted 1st 45min
2. no more allen lucas pls
3. sturiddge shud fcking start every match now

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post Jan 13 2013, 11:34 PM

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as usual, a lot of promising things but lack of end product still...
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:35 PM

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Too late. Encouraging 2nd half display. Clearly br too cautious with his formation in the 1st half. Allen n lucas together didn't work. Allen did better after lucas was off.

Br still has a lot to learn but its good to see borini back. We suddenly have options..its so weird.

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QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:29 PM)
Too easy.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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go to your cave back.i know you shit in your pants due to much pressure at the end of the game laugh.gif
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Yup at least this time it's clean.

Everyone turned up and gave much improved performance.

When the commentator mentioned that they were suprised at how uncomposed United looked, that was a huge credit to us.

And special mention to Hendo, good performance again. I think he does look like a player who understand what does it mean to play for iverpool. got narrow.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Jan 13 2013, 11:37 PM)
Yup at least this time it's clean.

Everyone turned up and gave much improved performance.

When the commentator mentioned that they were suprised at how uncomposed United looked, that was a huge credit to us.

And special mention to Hendo, good performance again. I think he does look like a player who understand what does it mean to play for iverpool. got narrow.
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Yup..glad there are no wweird incident thistime around.
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:39 PM

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We can play good football even up against the team on top if the league.. We can create and score goals... Just that we always left it late only have the urgency to attackkk... Good game!
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Jan 13 2013, 11:35 PM)
go to your cave back.i know you shit in your pants due to much pressure at the end of the game  laugh.gif
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Correction: go back to your cave.

But yeah, next time maybe try turning up for the match?
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post Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM

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On a plus point, Suarez+Sturridge really looked good and they should start together regularly.
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A better performance in 2nd half. Sturridge-suarez partnership looks promising. Sterling shoyld be bench next match. He never beat rafael tonite.
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QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM)
Correction: go back to your cave.

But yeah, next time maybe try turning up for the match?
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Stay classy please. They already have enough reasons to disparage us on the field, don't post inane stuff like this. We wouldn't like it if they did the same to us.
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QUOTE(keong24 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:31 PM)
1. wasted 1st 45min
2. no more allen lucas pls
3. sturiddge shud fcking start every match now
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QFT.
Add somemore would be get a proper winger, sterling and downing still far from 1st team material
Abd get sneijder would be an extra bonus.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM)
On a plus point, Suarez+Sturridge really looked good and they should start together regularly.
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Finally suarez have someone to feed off of
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QUOTE(dikara10 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM)
A better performance in 2nd half. Sturridge-suarez partnership looks promising. Sterling shoyld be bench next match. He never beat rafael tonite.
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Sterling has been shite after getting contract extension and pay raise... He should now keep his feet on the ground and contribute to his team instead of asking for 50k pw at the age only 18 yo...
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Don't forget Borini came on too. Even though he didn't do much but at least he got a few minutes in a big game. He should be playing more if Liverpool ever decide to be more aggressive like in second half.
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QUOTE(dikara10 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM)
A better performance in 2nd half. Sturridge-suarez partnership looks promising. Sterling shoyld be bench next match. He never beat rafael tonite.
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Yes apart from Carrick I think Rafael was among their best player tonite.
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QUOTE(dikara10 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:41 PM)
A better performance in 2nd half. Sturridge-suarez partnership looks promising. Sterling shoyld be bench next match. He never beat rafael tonite.
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Hes been slackin off ever since collecting thehuge contract. Looks like walcott has signed a new contract at arsenal as well.
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Satisfied with the game, good second half. Sturridge looks good, just some bad decision making. lose fairly, so can sleep well la. 3point for next game please. YNWA
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1st half was so like wtf . no attempt goals . 2nd half much better but m.u later parking bas .. in the end we lose .. oh well ..

hope rodgers will use 442 instead of 433 ..
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Notice how since Sturridge came on and Suárez hasn't been so isolated
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QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:49 PM)
disparage us on the field? in what ways? we were horrible in the 2nd half but yet they only scored from a mistake shows how mid table LFC have become.
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Field as in the games. I mean the supporters on both sides have enough ammo to fire at each other without needing more oil into the fire on the separate threads. I don't know if your posts are the inspiration but there's already one troll in the United thread right this moment, so lets just stay classy and not encourage such behavior.
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Do we need sneidjer? I chose no. Simply because we have got enough cover for cm... Not easy we manage to get rid of uncle cole here come another1.. We need pacey wingers... Who can dribble pass defenders and cross/pass/shot...
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QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 13 2013, 11:55 PM)
don't know about that but if the liverpool fans come with us with truth about how bad we are in certain area, i'm fine with that. The fact is, Liverpool is now a mid table club who still think they are a top four club.

TBH, i think their best player suarez would warm our bench only.
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That's because of the contrasting team tactics. United usually play with multiple forwards, while Liverpool these days are happy with playing one on top. Any top team would be happy with a player like Suarez who can bang in 15-20 goals a season.
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Honestly, MU played well
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 12:02 AM)
Honestly, MU played well
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Not in the 2nd half.
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Glad to see how the team responded in the second half after Sturridge came on. And Suarez can finally keep his head down and play football instead of creating unnecessary controversies, even though almost the whole Old Trafford was booing him throughout. Overall a lot of positives to take from and Brendan will probably take note of his mistakes first half. This season is our third attempt of rebuilding after Rafa's era. Hodgson and King Kenny didn't work out and were removed reasonably so. Hope the boss will stick with Brendan this time.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 12:02 AM)
Honestly, MU played well
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It was a combination of them playing well and LFC not anywhere near their best. 2nd half was an improvement but Utd took their foot off the pedal somewhat. Still a lot to improve on for BR and the team.

On a side note, I'm encouraged how Sturridge and Suarez linked up at times. May their partnership bloom. biggrin.gif

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although lost but really excited with borini-sturridge-suarez upfront
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Beaten fair & square. No complaints because we are really terrible in the first half.
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lost fair and square, webb handle the situation well and he didn't need to do anything this time (sorry guys, just had to take a dig at him tongue.gif )
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I wouldn't say I am not sad but defeat was expected.
glen was easily the worst player tonight.Allen and downing didn't do much as well.only gerrard,reina and sturridge contributed today.
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the real problem bout the team is how bad their decision making is...

- suarez shuld pass the ball instead of holding the ball too long trying to beat 3-4 defender alone
- we always cross the ball when no one in the box but when there 3-4 player in the box, player like downing/johnson will doing stupid thing like try to shoot the ball or drag the ball inside
- borini constantly play a clever movement but some teammate just forget about him
- we always play long low pass on our own box... some stupid mistake can easily cost a goal

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jan 14 2013, 12:19 AM)
I wouldn't say I am not sad but defeat was expected.
glen was easily the worst player tonight.Allen and downing didn't do much as well.only gerrard,reina and sturridge contributed today.
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I disagree with Reina though. Bar the brilliant save in the second half, he did not do much to warrant a mention imo. I could also argue he could have done more to stop the second goal even if it was near point blank range and even if Johnson is being a weasel tonight. Some shaky instances makes the defence a little less confident of the game.
Gerrard was practically walking the in the first half. He didnt do much to make himself open for plays. Only the second where he shine a little. Other than that i could see some signs of aging there.
BR could have done something with how our wingers were playing tonight. The "cutting in" ala Barca style was simply not working tonight. They should have just switch downing to the left.
One very cool positive is Sturridge. Dare i say could be one of the better buys we had.
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What is Joe Allen's intended role? This is surely one big issue that has emerged from this game.

Why did BR take him off just when he seems to have taken control of midfield?! In fact, I was getting impressed, and was flabbergasted when Allen was replaced by Henderson. Downing should be replaced because his contribution was really insufficient.

Despite his pint size, Allen can really play with the big guys and his persistence does pay off. Of course he seemed to be all over the place in the first half and even made one disastrous back pass, but his much improved play made a big difference in the second half.

I also noticed that since Allen went further back to fill the gap left by Lucas, Gerrard also played better, the a more central role.

I hope BR will analyse the game clearly when he reviews the video replay. We lost but we did compete and make the game a more interesting and exciting one.
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Not too down on the defeat. We were shit in the first half. Sterling clearly showed his inexperience by trying to dribble all too much.

Sturridge was impressive with his runs and Borini was pretty neat.

Dont really care about any insults coz united deserved to win today.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jan 14 2013, 12:19 AM)
I wouldn't say I am not sad but defeat was expected.
glen was easily the worst player tonight.Allen and downing didn't do much as well.only gerrard,reina and sturridge contributed today.
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I believe Glen Johnson was tired cause Sterling never come and cover him. He run up and down while Sterling is walking!
Bad first half, good second half.
I vote Sterling as most worst player tonight. 2 defender guard still die die want to beat dumbass!
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In future, lucas 1st half, Allen come in 2nd half.. Gerrard partnering with either Hendo or Botak. Hendo was a beast tonite, should came in earlier.
Reina= nothing to blame on him.
Wisdom = struggling at 1st half, find his feet again on 2nd half.
Skrtel = Sloopy defend during MU set pieces.
Agger = so-so
Johson = not in fine form at LB, few times can't beat valencia.
Lucas = probably not his best season compared to last season
Allen = only got better once Lucas subs out.
Gerrard = better to play deep next time.
Sterling = totally failed tonite.
Downing = improved on 2nd half, but still not contributed much tonite.
Suarez = Isolated in 1st half, got better once Danny came in.
Sturridge = the striker that we are looking for, dare to try & gud goal from him.
Borini = gud 1st touch & not easily got intercepted by opponents.
Hendo = control possesion very well. Should came in earlier to stabilize or midfield.

Borini+Sturridge+Suarez would be a gud strike combo.. Sterling & Downing as a backup..

Just my two cents.
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m.u needs two red cards and 1 offside goal to win against chelsea

nothing new when they also need 1 offside goal to win against liverpool

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QUOTE(WirelessBrain @ Jan 14 2013, 12:37 AM)
m.u needs two red cards and 1 offside goal to win against chelsea

nothing new when they also need 1 offside goal to win against liverpool

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When i saw we r playing 433 i know its gonna be hard. But kudos for putting all our strikers!

All i can see things will be better YNWA!!

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QUOTE(WirelessBrain @ Jan 14 2013, 12:37 AM)
m.u needs two red cards and 1 offside goal to win against chelsea

nothing new when they also need 1 offside goal to win against liverpool
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I think you should be more concerned that Suarez only had one shot on goal.
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I think you should be more concerned that Suarez only had one shot on goal.
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Why should he? He is clearly a Chelsea/ABU fan.
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Suarez is still a dangerous player even if he's in a deeper position. I think their second half display should give Liverpool some confidence to play more direct, attacking football.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 14 2013, 01:12 AM)
Suarez is still a dangerous player even if he's in a deeper position. I think their second half display should give Liverpool some confidence to play more direct, attacking football.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 14 2013, 01:36 AM)
More Sturridge + Suarez + Borini pls!!
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Yes. Most teams are aware of Suarez's quality now, so if he's tightly marked Liverpool now have the option of pulling him deeper and have others feed off him instead and not just rely on Gerrard's long diagonals. He actually delivered some good passes in the second half, almost like an attacking midfielder.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 14 2013, 01:40 AM)
Yes. Most teams are aware of Suarez's quality now, so if he's tightly marked Liverpool now have the option of pulling him deeper and have others feed off him instead and not just rely on Gerrard's long diagonals. He actually delivered some good passes in the second half, almost like an attacking midfielder.
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Lost to an offside goal from MU, huhu. But still not that disappointed with the loss. Wasn't really expecting a win but we did put up some good gameplay during the 2nd half. Too bad it was already too late.

Anyways, the team seems to be gelling well and the signs are encouraging.
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even tho we are lose, at least i enjoy watching liverpool games with Big Reds Indonesia. They are brilliant and keep singing from the beginning. like anfield. best moment
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We were like schoolboys in the first half. thanks to luck & bad shooting from Manu, the score looked respectable at 0-1. Brendan realised this & had changed the formation in the second. still, we 'looked' better compared the 1st half but to me we are still a gulf distance behind to teams sitting at the top 4-5.

Realistically, i dont think we could better, well, maybe at best match last seasons league placing. The team may have some sparks potential players but i dont think they are ready.
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WIP. Glad to see borini back ! S-B-S combo
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m.u needs two red cards and 1 offside goal to win against chelsea

nothing new when they also need 1 offside goal to win against liverpool

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Very please to see you guys at the gathering and what's more, everyone was upbeat despite the defeat except for me of course. After countless number of whiskey, I had wanted Liverpool to snatch a draw at least. biggrin.gif

We were absolutely crap in the first half and the game could have been over by then itself. 2nd half was much better and we put on more determination to run in and test their keeper. As with everyone, I am encourage by sturridge and Suarez combination.

On a side note, I am also happy with Botak Webb's refereeing and have more confidence in him officiating our matches now. biggrin.gif

MU won fair and square and so no complain. But if we continue playing like how we did in the 2nd half (except for the horrible setpiece defending), we can surely expect more positive results coming our way.

Hope that we will have another gathering in April or May before the season ends. YNWA guys!
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glad to see sturridge performing last night. he really stepped up to his mark. hopefully he performs well in the next few games to secure his spot in the starting lineup biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 14 2013, 12:29 AM)
Not too down on the defeat. We were shit in the first half. Sterling clearly showed his inexperience by trying to dribble all too much.

Sturridge was impressive with his runs and Borini was pretty neat.

Dont really care about any insults coz united deserved to win today.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 07:53 AM)
Very please to see you guys at the gathering and what's more, everyone was upbeat despite the defeat except for me of course. After countless number of whiskey, I had wanted Liverpool to snatch a draw at least. biggrin.gif

We were absolutely crap in the first half and the game could have been over by then itself. 2nd half was much better and we put on more determination to run in and test their keeper. As with everyone, I am encourage by sturridge and Suarez combination.

On a side note, I am also happy with Botak Webb's refereeing and have more confidence in him officiating our matches now. biggrin.gif

MU won fair and square and so no complain. But if we continue playing like how we did in the 2nd half (except for the horrible setpiece defending), we can surely expect more positive results coming our way.

Hope that we will have another gathering in April or May before the season ends. YNWA guys!
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 08:53 AM)
Very please to see you guys at the gathering and what's more, everyone was upbeat despite the defeat except for me of course. After countless number of whiskey, I had wanted Liverpool to snatch a draw at least. biggrin.gif

We were absolutely crap in the first half and the game could have been over by then itself. 2nd half was much better and we put on more determination to run in and test their keeper. As with everyone, I am encourage by sturridge and Suarez combination.

On a side note, I am also happy with Botak Webb's refereeing and have more confidence in him officiating our matches now. biggrin.gif

MU won fair and square and so no complain. But if we continue playing like how we did in the 2nd half (except for the horrible setpiece defending), we can surely expect more positive results coming our way.

Hope that we will have another gathering in April or May before the season ends. YNWA guys!
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we can always have another group gathering. i thnk some had fun, cheering. see we are all well behaved bunch. cool2.gif
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proud with our 2nd half display...not many teams can do that at OT..we maybe no8 in the table, but we surely make m.u sweating in their pants..almost got a 2nd goal if Sturridge could finish better..gud news is arsenal lost too and spurs drew thumbup.gif
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i think BR should start Hendo instead of Allen. and Sturridge instead of Sterling. they're not yet ready for big match.

but it was a good game. Ref controlled the game well. eventhough there is slightly doubt about 2nd goal, but its very difficult to detect which is understandable.
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the gap not really that wide now..united look quite nervous in the second half..first half united only need to mark suarez..but second half there were borini and studge so..that is why there were open play..they need to mark more man upfront..

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i think BR should start Hendo instead of Allen. and Sturridge instead of Sterling. they're not yet ready for big match.

but it was a good game. Ref controlled the game well. eventhough there is slightly doubt about 2nd goal, but its very difficult to detect which is understandable.
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i was doubtful of Wisdom starting the game, but apparently he proved me wrong. apart from the late challenge on kagawa which resulted in Reina being knocked hard, his performance showed that he deserved to start the game as well as finishing it.
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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Jan 14 2013, 12:06 AM)
It was a combination of them playing well and LFC not anywhere near their best. 2nd half was an improvement but Utd took their foot off the pedal somewhat. Still a lot to improve on for BR and the team.

On a side note, I'm encouraged how Sturridge and Suarez linked up at times. May their partnership bloom. biggrin.gif
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The Sturridge-Suarez combination really threaten the ManUtd defences at times.
BR should take this into account in future Kops matches. Also, play Gerard in a more central role, not a defensive midfield role like in the 1st half.

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jan 14 2013, 09:26 AM)
the gap not really that wide now..united look quite nervous in the second half..first half united only need to mark suarez..but second half there were borini and studge so..that is why there were open play..they need to mark more man upfront..
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What is Joe Allen's intended role? This is surely one big issue that has emerged from this game.

Why did BR take him off just when he seems to have taken control of midfield?! In fact, I was getting impressed, and was flabbergasted when Allen was replaced by Henderson. Downing should be replaced because his contribution was really insufficient.

Despite his pint size, Allen can really play with the big guys and his persistence does pay off.  Of course he seemed to be all over the place in the first half and even made one disastrous back pass, but his much improved play made a big difference in the second half.

I also noticed that since Allen went further back to fill the gap left by Lucas, Gerrard also played better, the a more central role.

I hope BR will analyse the game clearly when he reviews the video replay.  We lost but we did compete and make the game a more interesting and exciting one.
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IMHO, Allen is slowly improving but was later taken out and replace by Hendo. I think Hendo should played earlier in place of Allen and combine with Gerard. This, IMO, is a better midfield combination with Sterling and Downing making the midfield foursome.
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jan 14 2013, 09:26 AM)
the gap not really that wide now..united look quite nervous in the second half..first half united only need to mark suarez..but second half there were borini and studge so..that is why there were open play..they need to mark more man upfront..
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1) BR changed the formation with Hendo and Borini in the team
2) ManUtd play at a slightly lower level in the second half than in the 1st half.

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We started the match with caution, not that I have any complaints. I mean it was the Premiership in form side in their own backyard we were going up against. We weren't even pressing at the half way line and Suarez looked like he was auditioning for the role of General Custer at Little Bug Horn. He was left to fend for himself and I don't remember De Gea having a single save to make in the first half. He was as well have been sipping margaritas by the beach. In any case, I think it was a good thing to have only been down by one at half time.

We started the second half with renewed vigour and the introduction of Sturridge made an immediate impact. He was lively and provided Suarez with a warm body he could play off. We definitely threw caution into the wind and it almost paid off. In my drunken haze, I remember Allen making a super double challenge before he was taken off. In any case, we had the mancs back peddling and it says something that Phil Jones was introduced before the 70th minute mark, to be followed with Smalling. Like some of you, I had apprehensions of Wisdom starting but he stood his ground.

All in, it was a pretty fair result and it's a good thing that Mr. Webb didnt take centre stage this time. Fair officiating Un my books, however there weren't that many difficult decisions to make. No over the top hard challenges, penalty claims or shouts for the ball having crossed the line. To my surprise it was a rather subdued game, passion wise. Wasn't what I'd expect from a derby, least of all a North West one.

Great to have met you guys. Hope to do it again. Got home at effing 230 almost.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jan 14 2013, 01:48 AM)
We were like schoolboys in the first half. thanks to luck & bad shooting from Manu, the score looked respectable at 0-1. Brendan realised this & had changed the formation in the second. still, we 'looked' better compared the 1st half but to me we are still a gulf distance behind to teams sitting at the top 4-5.

Realistically, i dont think we could better, well, maybe at best match last seasons league placing. The team may have some sparks potential players but i dont think they are ready.
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I no mean critical about BR, but this is not the first time tactic and strategy gone wrong from the start. sweat.gif

Once start poorly, it is long way and difficult back to the game.
If MU took those chances, at half time, easily 0-3 down, no way back.

From my view,
starting Lucas + Allen was poor decision by the manager, (not the first time already)

I heard the match commentator said, Liv has not win against the top 10 team in the league this season... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 07:53 AM)
Very please to see you guys at the gathering and what's more, everyone was upbeat despite the defeat except for me of course. After countless number of whiskey, I had wanted Liverpool to snatch a draw at least. biggrin.gif

We were absolutely crap in the first half and the game could have been over by then itself. 2nd half was much better and we put on more determination to run in and test their keeper. As with everyone, I am encourage by sturridge and Suarez combination.

On a side note, I am also happy with Botak Webb's refereeing and have more confidence in him officiating our matches now. biggrin.gif

MU won fair and square and so no complain. But if we continue playing like how we did in the 2nd half (except for the horrible setpiece defending), we can surely expect more positive results coming our way.

Hope that we will have another gathering in April or May before the season ends. YNWA guys!
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you guys must have enjoyed a lot with your whiskey there.

Yeah, it was a nervy game, especially in the second half, but it was a good game though. kinda fair and square.

But still many of your fellow reds are saying the game wasn't a fair one, and the second united goal was offside?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 14 2013, 10:07 AM)
you guys must have enjoyed a lot with your whiskey there.

Yeah, it was a nervy game, especially in the second half, but it was a good game though. kinda fair and square.

But still many of your fellow reds are saying the game wasn't a fair one, and the second united goal was offside?
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Many? Like who? I know those who we were out with last night conceded it was a fair result.
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Woot! The photos were taken without me!

Anyway nice meeting you guys last night, shame it wasn't a Saturday game, else would have stayed late. Only managed 3 hours of sleep and here I am in Miri, but it's worth it.
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The problem is no one else was taking photos. Apa la?
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 14 2013, 11:07 AM)
you guys must have enjoyed a lot with your whiskey there.

Yeah, it was a nervy game, especially in the second half, but it was a good game though. kinda fair and square.

But still many of your fellow reds are saying the game wasn't a fair one, and the second united goal was offside?
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they only realize that the goal was offside after the game and mostly on the internet..united second goal was close call..cant even credit who scored the goal at that moment..hahaha laugh.gif
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What do you guys think of the starting lineup yesterday btw? Starting Allen and Lucas together, was it a good move? Could we have started with Henderson instead of Allen? Could BR have started with Sturridge instead of Sterling/Downing?

Personally, I thought Downing starting was OK. He's a hardworking player willing to track back and provide cover for young Wisdom. Thought Henderson should've started in place of Allen though. Allen totally got out-muscled and outplayed in the first half.
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they only realize that the goal was offside after the game and mostly on the internet..united second goal was close call..cant even credit who scored the goal at that moment..hahaha  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 10:00 AM)
We started the match with caution, not that I have any complaints. I mean it was the Premiership in form side in their own backyard we were going up against. We weren't even pressing at the half way line and Suarez looked like he was auditioning for the role of General Custer at Little Bug Horn. He was left to fend for himself and I don't remember De Gea having a single save to make in the first half. He was as well have been sipping margaritas by the beach. In any case, I think it was a good thing to have only been down by one at half time.

We started the second half with renewed vigour and the introduction of Sturridge made an immediate impact. He was lively and provided Suarez with a warm body he could play off. We definitely threw caution into the wind and it almost paid off. In my drunken haze, I remember Allen making a super double challenge before he was taken off. In any case, we had the mancs back peddling and it says something that Phil Jones was introduced before the 70th minute mark, to be followed with Smalling. Like some of you, I had apprehensions of Wisdom starting but he stood his ground.

All in, it was a pretty fair result and it's a good thing that Mr. Webb didnt take centre stage this time. Fair officiating Un my books, however there weren't that many difficult decisions to make. No over the top hard challenges, penalty claims or shouts for the ball having crossed the line. To my surprise it was a rather subdued game, passion wise. Wasn't what I'd expect from a derby, least of all a North West one.

Great to have met you guys. Hope to do it again. Got home at effing 230 almost.
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This is what i fear with BR, that he has the mentality of a mid table team manager.
This is the 2nd? time he has approached a top table team with this mentality, the other being Spurs game.
Too much caution. We have world class players who are able to take it to a one of the poorest MancsU team
in recent memory but IMO BR choked on his tactics.
Therefore it showed in the catchup mentailty of the two jackell.hyde halves of the two games.


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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Jan 14 2013, 10:15 AM)
What do you guys think of the starting lineup yesterday btw? Starting Allen and Lucas together, was it a good move? Could we have started with Henderson instead of Allen? Could BR have started with Sturridge instead of Sterling/Downing?

Personally, I thought Downing starting was OK. He's a hardworking player willing to track back and provide cover for young Wisdom. Thought Henderson should've started in place of Allen though. Allen totally got out-muscled and outplayed in the first half.
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To be honest, I always wanted Lucas and Allen against the mancs. I felt we needed to keep possession and deny the mancs the ball. I mean you can't score a goal if you don't have the ball. However, I also wanted Sturridge to start alongside Suarez but that didnt materialise. Our starting lineup reflected caution but at the same time our play was pretty direct which confused me. We didnt muster any shots on goal but we weren't being patient with possession, preferring to release Suarez every chance we got even when he was surrounded. This was frustrating. If we had set out to keep possession, we should have kept the ball and passed it around more even if it put neutrals to sleep.
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jan 14 2013, 10:14 AM)
they only realize that the goal was offside after the game and mostly on the internet..united second goal was close call..cant even credit who scored the goal at that moment..hahaha  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 14 2013, 09:07 AM)
proud with our 2nd half display...not many teams can do that at OT..we maybe no8 in the table, but we surely make m.u sweating in their pants..almost got a 2nd goal if Sturridge could finish better..gud news is arsenal lost too and spurs drew thumbup.gif
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btw, im happy with the team for yesterday game. 2nd half we run the game better. Keep the momentum and we are on track.

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Nice gesture from the boss. Thanking the travelling Kop for their support. Not many bosses would have gone into the stands.

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Many people were surprised at the starting line-up. If Sturridge started as well who knows how the game would be.
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Many people were surprised at the starting line-up. If Sturridge started as well who knows how the game would be.
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Rodgers acknowledged it. And brought in Sturridge half time. He also gave chance for the likes of Sterling to get exposure.
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Many people were surprised at the starting line-up. If Sturridge started as well who knows how the game would be.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 10:19 AM)
To be honest, I always wanted Lucas and Allen against the mancs. I felt we needed to keep possession and deny the mancs the ball. I mean you can't score a goal if you don't have the ball. However, I also wanted Sturridge to start alongside Suarez but that didnt materialise. Our starting lineup reflected caution but at the same time our play was pretty direct which confused me. We didnt muster any shots on goal but we weren't being patient with possession, preferring to release Suarez every chance we got even when he was surrounded. This was frustrating. If we had set out to keep possession, we should have kept the ball and passed it around more even if it put neutrals to sleep.
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The thing is Allen seemed overwhelmed by Utd's sharpness in the first half. But that first half was really negative by BR too I must add. We were just trying to keep the ball but did nothing to get an attack going. Suarez was a lone ranger in that first half feeding off scraps. It was disappointing to watch. You mentioned you wanted Sturridge to start? In place of Sterling or Downing? Cause I thought while Sterling provided pace, he was not tracking back to cover for Johnson on occasions. But Johnson quick enough to recover from his forays forward. Downing provided cover for Wisdom who I believe started against MU for first time in his career. So I thought it was OK to start with Downing for that reason. Well, my opinion anyway.

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Jan 14 2013, 10:25 AM)
The thing is Allen seemed overwhelmed by Utd's sharpness in the first half. But that first half was really negative by BR too I must add. We were just trying to keep the ball but did nothing to get an attack going. Suarez was a lone ranger in that first half feeding off scraps. It was disappointing to watch. You mentioned you wanted Sturridge to start? In place of Sterling or Downing? Cause I thought while Sterling provided pace, he was not tracking back to cover for Johnson on occasions. Well, my opinion anyway.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 10:24 AM)
think Sturridge was just recovering from hamstring injury. Maybe BR was a bit cautious starting him?
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Then at this rate he should be completely fit and hopefully maintained his scoring groove for the visit to Manchester City in February.
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 14 2013, 10:28 AM)
not forgetting all thost intercepted and wrong-timed passes during the 1st half sweat.gif
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yep.he's had a poor game along with Allen.im looking forward having borini and sturridge starting together with suarez.

midifled trio of downing-hendo-gerrard not too shabby either. they can swap the roles any time during the game as seen yesterday

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QUOTE(8sg9ft @ Jan 14 2013, 10:25 AM)
The thing is Allen seemed overwhelmed by Utd's sharpness in the first half. But that first half was really negative by BR too I must add. We were just trying to keep the ball but did nothing to get an attack going. Suarez was a lone ranger in that first half feeding off scraps. It was disappointing to watch. You mentioned you wanted Sturridge to start? In place of Sterling or Downing? Cause I thought while Sterling provided pace, he was not tracking back to cover for Johnson on occasions. But Johnson quick enough to recover from his forays forward. Downing provided cover for Wisdom who I believe started against MU for first time in his career. So I thought it was OK to start with Downing for that reason. Well, my opinion anyway.
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Prior to the game, I had wanted Johnson to play on the right and Downing to start at the left back position, so yeah, I agree with including Downing in the first eleven. I would have left Wisdom out but to be fair, he did give a good account if himself despite this being his first North West Derby. In attack, I would have had Sturridge flanked by Suarez and Sterling. You are right about Sterling, he doesn't defend but all in, I think he looked overawed by the occasion.

It was negative by the boss but I would have been ok with it had we kept passing the ball about more. We were half heartdly trying to attack when we got the ball and the mancs defended deep whenever we did, looking to catch us on the break. Each time we lost possession, they would look to spray passes to either wing, dragging Agger or Skrtel out wide. It was one of those games I got the impression, we would feed Suarez even if he was alone, hoping for a bit of magic even if it took 10 attempts for him to get through only once.
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I'm the guy in Hyppia shirt tongue.gif Good to meet you guys last night.

Was rather frustrating 1st half. It was the first in many matches which I think we have lost so much possesion even in our own half. Introduction of Sturridge has helped to free up a lot of space for Suarez.

Again, glad to see we kept pressing for the 2nd goal with our never say die attitude but rather wasteful from Sturridge to have blast 2 chances away.

Lucky to have conceded only 1 by half time. Unlucky to not equalize in the 2nd half.
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2 goals in 2 games. Looking good Sturridge.
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Rodgers played a 1-2 with Lucas being the 1 and that allowed Carrick all the time in the world as Gerrard and Allen marked Cleverly and Kagawa. We got raped because of that one mistake. As soon as Rodgers converted the middle to a 2-1 when he took Lucas off and had both Gerrard and Allen sitting, we had Suarez on Carrick and the game was ours again.

It was a bad half by all in the 1st, but mostly because of BR. He learned from it, but it is a shame he got it wrong because we could have gotten something out of the game. If he had stuck to his Henderson-Gerrard-Lucas trio I am positive we would have not only won that we would've bossed it.


If we had won this one, it would propel us on into the 2nd half of the
season. As it is, its like back to drwaing boarde thing....not really knwoing what to expect
with MansC and arsenal waiting....... sad.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 10:48 AM)
Kinda agree with this one
If we had won this one, it would propel us on into the 2nd half of the
season. As it is, its like back to drwaing boarde thing....not really knwoing what to expect
with MansC and arsenal waiting.......    sad.gif
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IMO it is a question of the glass being half empty or half full again. If it were Hodgson at the helm, I'd say it was a case of the former because he's dead set in his ways and unlikely to change. BR on the other hand is a relatively young, inexperienced manager in comparison and he will learn from his mistakes. The fact that he made the required changes in the second half is reflective of this.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 10:17 AM)
This is what i fear with BR, that he has the mentality of a mid table team manager.
This is the 2nd? time he has approached a top table team with this mentality, the other being Spurs game.
Too much caution. We have world class players who are able to take it to a one of the poorest MancsU team
in recent memory but IMO BR choked on his tactics.
Therefore it showed in the catchup mentailty of the two jackell.hyde halves of the two games.
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No wonder the match commentator said, Liv has not won against any of top 10 team in the league table this season. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 14 2013, 11:00 AM)
No wonder the match commentator said, Liv has not won against any of top 10 team in the league table this season.  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 10:19 AM)
To be honest, I always wanted Lucas and Allen against the mancs. I felt we needed to keep possession and deny the mancs the ball. I mean you can't score a goal if you don't have the ball. However, I also wanted Sturridge to start alongside Suarez but that didnt materialise. Our starting lineup reflected caution but at the same time our play was pretty direct which confused me. We didnt muster any shots on goal but we weren't being patient with possession, preferring to release Suarez every chance we got even when he was surrounded. This was frustrating. If we had set out to keep possession, we should have kept the ball and passed it around more even if it put neutrals to sleep.
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In theory putting Lucas and Allen to control the midfield and having possession to neutralise the opponent attack, sound great in theory, but in reality, it was not happening.

The other game, Lucas + Allen start together was against Villa, if not mistaken.


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No wonder the match commentator said, Liv has not won against any of top 10 team in the league table this season.  sweat.gif
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well see...cos the next 5 games have 4 of them against top 10 teams... biggrin.gif

btw, bar tres outside really couldnt hear shit.
when i went inside to toilet near the end of the game, can really hear the crowd at OT singing YNWA...

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if u ask me, its still a work in progress and so far, there's progress. only time will tell how far can the progress go
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Progress is one thing, mentality of the team or game approach is another issue.

Current team is not known for the defence solidity, so playing negatively is not an option available.

Even with cautious approach at first half, Utd can easily with 3-0 or 4-0 by half time it chances were taken.

The critic is about game approached by the manager, tactic and player selection issue, not about the team is world-class or in progress or not.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 11:07 AM)
well see...cos the next 5 games have 4 of them against top 10 teams... biggrin.gif

btw, bar tres outside really couldnt hear shit.
when i went inside to toilet near the end of the game, can really hear the crowd at OT singing YNWA...
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my preferred midfield lineup for last night would definitely be jonjo / gerrard / hendo...but wondering wtf jonjo wasnt anywhere on the bench even.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 10:59 AM)
IMO it is a question of the glass being half empty or half full again. If it were Hodgson at the helm, I'd say it was a case of the former because he's dead set in his ways and unlikely to change. BR on the other hand is a relatively young, inexperienced manager in comparison and he will learn from his mistakes. The fact that he made the required changes in the second half is reflective of this.
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i agree that he makes changes...thats good.
But thats after he makes the miss...thats bad.
Again i hope i am wrong, but the approach that he has been using lately smacks of mid table manager mentality.

a) against lower tier teams, he tears them one
b) against top teams, inevitably we end up with halves of jackell/hyde performances. More prominnantly he starts
games off ultra cautious. This can be seen in both MancsU and Spurs games.

we are NOT a mid table team alto the table shows that mid table performances.
We do have a few world class players dare i say in Luis, Stevie, Reina, Skrtel, Agger
compared to swansea? IMO with these players we have the capacity to bring a game
without being TOO negative as we shoed in the 2nd halves of those games.

IMO BR is the one who commands the tactics of the 1st half performances.
His command manifests in thse inept performaces of the playres who
have shown they could change the play pretty easily in the 2nd halves IF allowed to.

BR will not be sacked whther we finsh better than last year or not.
He will not be sacked inspite of results.

However, inspite of this, why would he be so negative in his approach to such top games?
Can only boil down to his own mindset. one of a mid table approach when facing the giants- cautioous


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 11:10 AM)
my preferred midfield lineup for last night would definitely be jonjo / gerrard / hendo...but wondering wtf jonjo wasnt anywhere on the bench even.
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Suarez is a nasty little player to be up against... but you'd still want him in your team

Nice article by Gary Neville on Luis Suarez. He talked about how people do not consider Suarez's background and experiences before rushing to judge a footballer, and how he will need time to mature just like RVP did to turn into a model professional. He also mentioned the handball incident which he thought the word 'cheating' had been used too cheaply and out of context. Overall a very good read rclxms.gif
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Overall a very good read  rclxms.gif
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Judging from the comments, it seems some people just can't get past the "he was a United player, don't trust him!" mentality.

Neville is actually a pretty neutral and very thorough football pundit. His analysis is much more detailed than those on Match of the Day.
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Lucas and allen should never start together again. The midfield trio again sunderland is the best I have seen this season. Gerrard and lucas play behind hendo. In the first half, we lost battle in midfield. Carrick was easily sprayed his pass to young, welbeck and rvp with no one closing down.

The 2nd half show different story.I really like the idea of suarez playing in the hole behind sturridge. They looks like to have a very good understanding and sturridge somehow have take some burden of scoring goals from suarez.
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anyway, the reality of last night was not BR's 'bad' tactics in the first half.
more of MU reading BR's tactics and closing it down.
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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:24 AM)
Judging from the comments, it seems some people just can't get past the "he was a United player, don't trust him!" mentality.

Neville is actually a pretty neutral and very thorough football pundit. His analysis is much more detailed than those on Match of the Day.
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True that, always love his analysis on Sky last year. So much rubbish on MOTD sometimes in my opinion. He sounds like he knows his stuff thoroughly. But most of the top comments by Liverpool fans were rather sensible and they know Neville is a top pundit.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:09 AM)
Norwich is next....chance for another goal feast?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 11:11 AM)
i agree that he makes changes...thats good.
But thats after he makes the miss...thats bad.
Again i hope i am wrong, but the approach that he has been using lately smacks of mid table manager mentality.

a) against lower tier teams, he tears them one
b) against top teams, inevitably we end up with halves of jackell/hyde performances. More prominnantly he starts
games off ultra cautious. This can be seen in both MancsU and Spurs games.

we are NOT a mid table team alto the table shows that mid table performances.
We do have a few world class players dare i say in Luis, Stevie, Reina, Skrtel, Agger
compared to swansea?  IMO with these players we have the capacity to bring a game
without being TOO negative as we shoed in the 2nd halves of those games.

IMO BR is the one who commands the tactics of the 1st half performances.
His command manifests in thse inept performaces of the playres who
have shown they could change the play pretty easily in the 2nd halves IF allowed to.

BR will not be sacked whther we finsh better than last year or not.
He will not be sacked inspite of results.

However, inspite of this, why would he be so negative in his approach to such top games?
Can only boil down to his own mindset. one of a mid table approach when facing the giants- cautioous
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It could also be said that had he set out to be too positive and we got twatted for not being tighter at the back, that he was being naive. If you look back past December, our problem was that we were leaking far too many goals. We often got him on the break like when we played Villa because we committed too many bodies forward. We were cautious against the mancs last night but who wouldn't be going to OT? I disagree that we're always positive against the big sides. When we played the mancs at Anfield, we fielded Borrini and Shelvey, players who are known to favour going forward. Sadly, the latter got sent off and the game went to the dogs from then on.

When we played City at home, we had more possession and shots on goal. When we drew Chelsea away we adopted a 3-5-2 formation and we led in possession and had just as many shots on target. But playing 5 in midfield, we effectively nullified their wingbacks.

Were we negative at the start against the mancs last night? We surely were. Does this mean we were always negative against the big sides? Nope.

In terms of top players, I'd say that based on current form, and not reputation, we have Suarez. I don't think that based on their overall performances so far this season, that Agger, Skrtel, Reina or even Stevie have been "World Class". It's why we've had to rely heavily on younger blokes like Sterling, Suso, Henderson, Wisdom and Shelvey to try and compensate. Based on this I certainly don't think that we can claim to be as good a team as any in the top four at the moment.
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As everyone said, BR got the wrong tactics on the 1st half. Sturridge should have started in place of Sterling because BR should know Suarez will be mark tight as we have seen last night where up to 3 people marking him at some times. When Sturrigde on, you could see he manages to distract the defenders a little bit. We got to see a glimpse of link up play between the two strikers. I am excited to watch them play together soon.
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in hindsight, its always easy to say brenda got the tactics wrong.
unless brenda is a mind reader, his tactics will forever be wrong right? tongue.gif

the reality was that MU closed down our wings, and exploited our less than physical midfield...with even that asian midget running around everywhere.

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IMHO, BR still needs to work on his tactics. time and time again we've seen ppl commenting how his tactics backfired and there's no plan B. i think that's where he needs to start focusing on. send clear instructions to the capt before game, "if this doesnt work, play that"

something like that, i guess? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 11:37 AM)
It could also be said that had he set out to be too positive and we got twatted for not being tighter at the back, that he was being naive. If you look back past December, our problem was that we were leaking far too many goals. We often got him on the break like when we played Villa because we committed too many bodies forward. We were cautious against the mancs last night but who wouldn't be going to OT? I disagree that we're always positive against the big sides. When we played the mancs at Anfield, we fielded Borrini and Shelvey, players who are known to favour going forward. Sadly, the latter got sent off and the game went to the dogs from then on.

When we played City at home, we had more possession and shots on goal. When we drew Chelsea away we adopted a 3-5-2 formation and we led in possession and had just as many shots on target. But playing 5 in midfield, we effectively nullified their wingbacks.

Were we negative at the start against the mancs last night? We surely were. Does this mean we were always negative against the big sides? Nope.

In terms of top players, I'd say that based on current form, and not reputation, we have Suarez. I don't think that based on their overall performances so far this season, that Agger, Skrtel, Reina or even Stevie have been "World Class". It's why we've had to rely heavily on younger blokes like Sterling, Suso, Henderson, Wisdom and Shelvey to try and compensate. Based on this I certainly don't think that we can claim to be as good a team as any in the top four at the moment.
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i did say 'lately'.. Thats why i refered to the two recent games with spurs and mancsU.... biggrin.gif

Aoppeears he has gone into a shell.....it has been proven when MancsU are pinned back, they can\be overatken
as evidenced by some Euro teams earlier in the season. i believe as some others that many teams accord
too much respect and fear to them.

i am not saying we are as good as the top4, but we are not swansea, who have no world class players.
On class, i say; thats permanent. Those names have class, provided BR allows them to shew.
That he has, only against lower teams.
The defence does not change in class in a matter of months. Under the king, we had one of the
miserly defences in the PL. Whats changed? management.....
a midtable mindset does tricks to the mind
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 14 2013, 11:44 AM)
IMHO, BR still needs to work on his tactics. time and time again we've seen ppl commenting how his tactics backfired and there's no plan B. i think that's where he needs to start focusing on. send clear instructions to the capt before game, "if this doesnt work, play that"

something like that, i guess? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 14 2013, 11:44 AM)
IMHO, BR still needs to work on his tactics. time and time again we've seen ppl commenting how his tactics backfired and there's no plan B. i think that's where he needs to start focusing on. send clear instructions to the capt before game, "if this doesnt work, play that"

something like that, i guess? hmm.gif
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those ppl who say got no plan B obviously dont watch many games.
and how sure are u that BR doesnt send instructions to players on the pitch during the match?
then hes shouting for no reason? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 14 2013, 11:24 AM)
Judging from the comments, it seems some people just can't get past the "he was a United player, don't trust him!" mentality.

Neville is actually a pretty neutral and very thorough football pundit. His analysis is much more detailed than those on Match of the Day.
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This is correct. If you take the fact that he is a uber manc out of the equation, there is no reason for Liverpool or City fans to not respect his opinions. I've been watching him on TV and reading his pieces and I was surprised at how much insight he provides. He is definitely a class above the likes of second rate pundits we get here in Asia like McMahon and Parker. It's come to the point where my vehement hate from his as a player has turned to respect for him as a pundit, not that the two are not mutually exclusive.

Suffice to say, if he has something to say, I'd listen.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 11:26 AM)
anyway, the reality of last night was not BR's 'bad' tactics in the first half.
more of MU reading BR's tactics and closing it down.
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This. Fergie was not afraid to let us have the ball. When we did, his team sat deep, meaning we'd either get crowded out, thus relinquishing possession or we'd give the ball away trying to pass it through a sea of defences. If there is something to blame, it's the fact that we did not adapt before the end of the half. If memory serves me, he once made a change before half time taking Suso off when things weren't working. One got the feeling that Sturridge or Henderson should have been introduced earlier on so that we could keep the ball in the final third instead of just in our own half. Fergie is a wily, cunning old fox and BR despite his unwavering demeanour was simply out thought.

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On class, i say; thats permanent.
On this I'd say it depends on the context. In the case of Gerrard, there are physical limitations that not even the strongest of wills can compensate for. Gerrard was at his best when he was making lung busting runs, making a bee line for the opposition goal. He could launch Exocets from outside the box but these days, the appear more like unguided missiles, often missing the mark.

Class may be permanent in terms of ones personality or character but you're only as good as your body or mind allows you to be. Lucas isn't at 100%, Reina hasn't until recently looked confident.
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i would have sold downing long ago. if i was him on the field last night i would have been so embarassed that i request to be sold to a championship club. because this is what he has been - championship quality for most of his career at liverpool

and i hope BR has the guts to bench allen.

carra would have made sure we defended properly last night
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Judging from the comments, it seems some people just can't get past the "he was a United player, don't trust him!" mentality.
Neville is actually a pretty neutral and very thorough football pundit. His analysis is much more detailed than those on Match of the Day.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Jan 14 2013, 11:39 AM)
As everyone said, BR got the wrong tactics on the 1st half. Sturridge should have started in place of Sterling because BR should know Suarez will be mark tight as we have seen last night where up to 3 people marking him at some times. When Sturrigde on, you could see he manages to distract the defenders a little bit. We got to see a glimpse of link up play between the two strikers. I am excited to watch them play together soon.
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Especially for an important match he would have wanted to have his best known 11 on the field.

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Did Henderson get the same injection Captain America had? He looked really buffed last night compared to a couple of months ago.
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It was a clear two foot lunge....dun think he'll get away wif it
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i think BR try to absorb ManUtd attacking force on 1st half...
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Did Henderson get the same injection Captain America had? He looked really buffed last night compared to a couple of months ago.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 11:26 AM)
anyway, the reality of last night was not BR's 'bad' tactics in the first half.
more of MU reading BR's tactics and closing it down.
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Did Henderson get the same injection Captain America had? He looked really buffed last night compared to a couple of months ago.
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Add On: Should organize more gathering in future. Yesterday was good start. If there is first time then there is chance for second time. blush.gif

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Oh no. It's quite blur. Hard to see the faces. I didnt get to see people like Ryan Ho and Moody though. Did they turn up?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 12:00 PM)
On this I'd say it depends on the context. In the case of Gerrard, there are physical limitations that not even the strongest of wills can compensate for. Gerrard was at his best when he was making lung busting runs, making a bee line for the opposition goal. He could launch Exocets from outside the box but these days, the appear more like unguided missiles, often missing the mark.

Class may be permanent in terms of ones personality or character but you're only as good as your body or mind allows you to be. Lucas isn't at 100%, Reina hasn't until recently looked confident.
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IF that be so, why play them?

Play your BEST 11......


Why play them with one tactic vs QPR and another against MancsU?

How would BR know whether they can match MancsU if he does let them?
IN FACT, they can match them as evidenced by the 2nd half, actually MORE than match them.
i rest me case that BR made a tactical mistake as guided by his misplaced midtable mindset.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 02:38 PM)
IF that be so, why play them?

Play your BEST 11......
Why play them with one tactic vs QPR and another against MancsU?

How would BR know whether they can match MancsU if he does let them?
IN FACT, they can match them as evidenced by the 2nd half, actually MORE than match them.
i rest me case that BR made a tactical mistake as guided by his misplaced midtable mindset.
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I think first half is about too test the game..and second half were the result of what BR learned from the first half..I think it was a good approach..if he just put 1st 11 what most people want that more like a gamble for result..BR built the second half based on the the first half..and it nearly paid off..

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I think first half is about too test the game..and second half were the result of what BR learned from the first half..I think it was a good approach..if he just put 1st 11 what most people want that more like a gamble for result..BR built the second half based on the the first half..and it nearly paid off..
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No point 'testing' in the match. ALL tactics confirmed should be from the week before by
looking at vids, etc, and training in formations to play in the match. You cant test a team in match! biggrin.gif

We dont the 1st 11. We wanna know WHY he ordered those tactics against top teams.
You noticed 2 diff halves. Why can we play that from the 1st half?
We cant go behind to goals and try to catch up in the 2nd half everytime we meet a top team.
Thsi is the mentality of a midtable manager IMO
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No point 'testing' in the match. ALL tactics confirmed should be from the week before by
looking at vids, etc, and training in formations to play in the match. You cant test a team in match!  biggrin.gif

We dont the 1st 11. We wanna know WHY he ordered those tactics against top teams.
You noticed 2 diff halves. Why can we play that from the 1st half?
We cant go behind to goals and try to catch up in the 2nd half everytime we meet  a top team.
Thsi is the mentality of a midtable manager IMO
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I've said it before, 4-3-3 against MU in Old Trafford is suicidal. It's simple as that. They absolutely bossed the midfield and on their day would have finished us off 3-0 in the first half.

5-3-2 is our best chance with Suarez and Sturridge leading the front.

However, Bren the Man will never adopt a different formation.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 02:46 PM)
No point 'testing' in the match. ALL tactics confirmed should be from the week before by
looking at vids, etc, and training in formations to play in the match. You cant test a team in match!  biggrin.gif

We dont the 1st 11. We wanna know WHY he ordered those tactics against top teams.
You noticed 2 diff halves. Why can we play that from the 1st half?
We cant go behind to goals and try to catch up in the 2nd half everytime we meet  a top team.
Thsi is the mentality of a midtable manager IMO
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Of cuz he got the right tactics in his mind..but testing here is not about the Liverpool team..more like testing what on the table provided by the United..

cuz he play safe..and rebuilding side should play safe..he cant gamble all the way..dont be like us..rafa gamble too much..on a rebuilding side..what happen now..we lost at home and win away..that just unacceptable.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 01:52 PM)
I've said it before, 4-3-3 against MU in Old Trafford is suicidal. It's simple as that. They absolutely bossed the midfield and on their day would have finished us off 3-0 in the first half.

5-3-2 is our best chance with Suarez and Sturridge leading the front.

However, Bren the Man will never adopt a different formation.

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Thats why i cant figure why manager of Liverpool Fc cant fathom that!

Like hot knife through butter. i would have prefred 4-3-2-1 meaning dont play sterling, to start.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 01:52 PM)
I've said it before, 4-3-3 against MU in Old Trafford is suicidal. It's simple as that. They absolutely bossed the midfield and on their day would have finished us off 3-0 in the first half.

5-3-2 is our best chance with Suarez and Sturridge leading the front.

However, Bren the Man will never adopt a different formation.

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Of cuz he got the right tactics in his mind..but testing here is not about the Liverpool team..more like testing what on the table provided by the United..

cuz he play safe..and rebuilding side should play safe..he cant gamble all the way..dont be like us..rafa gamble too much..on a rebuilding side..what happen now..we lost at home and win away..that just unacceptable.. laugh.gif
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i have been saying this past few pages

MancsU is a weak team, this season. Its there for the taking as we saw in the 2nd half.
We HAVE the capacble personnel to achieve that provided the manager allows them.
From what i saw, we were sitting back alot. This is inviting disastor....almost...since we kept it at 1-0 by half time.

He CAN gamble since his job is pretty safe.....does he expect top 4 position? i dont think so.......

why not try a more agressive approach?
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 01:52 PM)
I've said it before, 4-3-3 against MU in Old Trafford is suicidal. It's simple as that. They absolutely bossed the midfield and on their day would have finished us off 3-0 in the first half.

5-3-2 is our best chance with Suarez and Sturridge leading the front.

However, Bren the Man will never adopt a different formation.

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1st half is the way BR want to absorb Manutd tactics Thats why BR put Lucas and Allen. But we were unfortunate giving them 2 goals.

there is 2 possibility. if the score still 0-0, maybe BR dont change the formation, or bring in Sturridge and others player to go attacking mode.
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1st half is the way BR want to absorb Manutd tactics Thats why BR put Lucas and Allen. But we were unfortunate giving them 2 goals.

there is 2 possibility. if the score still 0-0, maybe BR dont change the formation, or bring in Sturridge and others player to go attacking mode.
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umm...1st half we were only down 0-1.
then he took lucas off for 2nd half.
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1st half is the way BR want to absorb Manutd tactics Thats why BR put Lucas and Allen. But we were unfortunate giving them 2 goals.

there is 2 possibility. if the score still 0-0, maybe BR dont change the formation, or bring in Sturridge and others player to go attacking mode.
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Thats silly because them Mancs are most likely to SCORE like that.......stats shows anyway
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 02:05 PM)
umm...1st half we were only down 0-1.
then he took lucas off for 2nd half.
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Actually, it is very very lucky that only 1-0 down at half time.

Utd player didn't capitalise the Allen back-pass.
Some lucky moment on goal mouth event (Reina collided with Kagawa).
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1st half is the way BR want to absorb Manutd tactics Thats why BR put Lucas and Allen. But we were unfortunate giving them 2 goals.

there is 2 possibility. if the score still 0-0, maybe BR dont change the formation, or bring in Sturridge and others player to go attacking mode.
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Absorb?
Haha, since when the current Liv team is good at defence? tongue.gif

Absorb one of most attacking accomplished team with current Liv defence record? (mind that MU has little problem to score this season).


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Absorb?
Haha, since when the current Liv team is good at defence?  tongue.gif

Absorb one of most attacking accomplished team with current Liv defence record? (mind that MU has little problem to score this season).
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What has changed? Mangement
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i would have sold downing long ago. if i was him on the field last night i would have been so embarassed that i request to be sold to a championship club. because this is what he has been - championship quality for most of his career at liverpool

and i hope BR has the guts to bench allen.

carra would have made sure we defended properly last night
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To be fair to Downing, he has been one of our better players since December. He's responded to rumours of us wanting to discard him, being taunted by teammates at being moved to left back, in the best way he can - to perform on the pitch. I don't think you'd find many people who think he's put in a poor performance since.

BR had the guts to bench Allen. He's only brought him back for the past 2 games, and to be honest, I don't think he was any worse than Lucas last night.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 01:38 PM)
IF that be so, why play them?

Play your BEST 11......
Why play them with one tactic vs QPR and another against MancsU?

How would BR know whether they can match MancsU if he does let them?
IN FACT, they can match them as evidenced by the 2nd half, actually MORE than match them.
i rest me case that BR made a tactical mistake as guided by his misplaced midtable mindset.
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I'm guessing you don't agree with player rotation? It's something Rafa practiced. Did you have a problem with it back then? All the big sides rotate players, don't they? Playing well against the mancs in the second half is two sided. On one hand, we went on the offensive and on the other hand, the mancs had gone 2 up early in the second and didn't need to commit to going forward. The onus was on us to push for a goal. Said something that they brought on two defenders. If they had continued to push for a goal, it's debatable if we would have ended up looking as dominant as we did.

To each his own but I think Everdying said it right when he mentioned that it was more a case of Fergie being able to negate whatever game plan BR had. I mean, everyone questions his tactics when we lose, seldom complementing him when we win. When he does get it right and we lose, he gets blamed for our poor finishing. The manager is certainly fallible, but he can't do it all on his own. I mean, was it him that told the players to leave Evra open at the far post? Was it him that told Agger to stand off RVP? His flaw last night as far as I'm concerned was not adapting to Fergie's tactics earlier. Negative tactics isn't always a bad thing. Mourinho used it to beat Barca with Real Madrid, a team blessed with attacking talent. Rafa beat Barca with us at the Nou Camp using negative tactics, so much so he was criticised for it but we didn't mind, because we got 3 points. If we had lost, I shudder to think how many would have lambasted him for not being positive against one of the best teams in the world. Make no mistake about it, the mancs are one of the best teams in the world and we were playing them in their own backyard.

On a related issue, I've been reading comments here that Allen and Lucas can't play together? Why do you reckon this is so? I don't see them as similar players. I also don't really buy the age old argument that Lampard and Gerrard can't play together.

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Actually the Liverpool defence is almost the same as the one under the king, which was one of the miserly defences in PL.
What has changed? Mangement
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I think we've been committing more men forward under BR, which has led to us being exposed on the break. Aside from setpieces, we are prone to counterattacks.

Why do I see we've been committing more players forward? Our defence may have been tight in comparison under King Kenny but we also only scored 47 goals. We did hit the post a lot but it suggests we weren't creating too many simple chances. Most of our shots were from outside the box. With just over half the season gone, we've bagged 35 which is only 8 less than City have despite having strikers whose combined value could buy a small country. Could we do both i.e. be miserly at the back, and generous up front? We can.

We were leaking goals early in the season and this was a combination of us leaving ourselves exposed at the back, Lucas being absent and us having no other recognised defensive midfielder, Reina being out of sorts, and Agger and Skrtel being out of form. What has happened since December though, a turning point in the form books of Reina, Gerrard, Agger and Skrtel in my opinion? We've conceded 10 goals in 10 games, and scored 20 goals. In our first 10 games of the season since the Premiership started, we conceded 17 and scored 18. This tells me that we're conceding less, and scoring more at least since December.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 03:12 PM)
To be fair to Downing, he has been one of our better players since December. He's responded to rumours of us wanting to discard him, being taunted by teammates at being moved to left back, in the best way he can - to perform on the pitch. I don't think you'd find many people who think he's put in a poor performance since.

BR had the guts to bench Allen. He's only brought him back for the past 2 games, and to be honest, I don't think he was any worse than Lucas last night.
I'm guessing you don't agree with player rotation? It's something Rafa practiced. Did you have a problem with it back then? All the big sides rotate players, don't they? Playing well against the mancs in the second half is two sided. On one hand, we went on the offensive and on the other hand, the mancs had gone 2 up early in the second and didn't need to commit to going forward. The onus was on us to push for a goal. Said something that they brought on two defenders. If they had continued to push for a goal, it's debatable if we would have ended up looking as dominant as we did.

To each his own but I think Everdying said it right when he mentioned that it was more a case of Fergie being able to negate whatever game plan BR had. I mean, everyone questions his tactics when we lose, seldom complementing him when we win. When he does get it right and we lose, he gets blamed for our poor finishing. The manager is certainly fallible, but he can't do it all on his own. I mean, was it him that told the players to leave Evra open at the far post? Was it him that told Agger to stand off RVP? His flaw last night as far as I'm concerned was not adapting to Fergie's tactics earlier. Negative tactics isn't always a bad thing. Mourinho used it to beat Barca with Real Madrid, a team blessed with attacking talent. Rafa beat Barca with us at the Nou Camp using negative tactics, so much so he was criticised for it but we didn't mind, because we got 3 points. If we had lost, I shudder to think how many would have lambasted him for not being positive against one of the best teams in the world. Make no mistake about it, the mancs are one of the best teams in the world and we were playing them in their own backyard.

On a related issue, I've been reading comments here that Allen and Lucas can't play together? Why do you reckon this is so? I don't see them as similar players. I also don't really buy the age old argument that Lampard and Gerrard can't play together.
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i do believe in rotation........BUT you are playing a top tier team. Why play allen who was shite vs Mansfield whereas Hendersen
was the one in form? The set up, the set up......what was BR thinking?
If we were gonna invite the Mancs to come agianst us and sit back, they aARE ginna score as far as stats shew.
So one step back and the start chasing? Spurss game all over again?

Negative tactics per se.....thsoe games you mentioned: why did the managers use them?
Beacuse Barca will hv 70% posession......is MansU able to do that? They dont even play that way.
Euro Teams who attcked MancsU at OT shewed that they can be had.....provided you do NOt shew them
too much respect. We shewed too much in the first half. That went out the 2nd half and look what happend.
They began to come under pressure. so much so our Luis sensed that and fought tooth and nail for
the ball which almost resulted in Sturridge scoring for a 2nd time in the match.
Compare 1st hald: Luis was isolated.....his countenance was : What the hell is this?

In a line: We were not playing to our own strengths but focussing ttoo much on the other.

we will let them worry about us.......shankly?


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 01:12 PM)
Oh no. It's quite blur. Hard to see the faces. I didnt get to see people like Ryan Ho and Moody though. Did they turn up?
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Damn good to get to see you, Duke, Jonno and others. Love the discussions about formation and players. It's just like Lowyat in reality with lots of whiskey.  thumbup.gif

Let's organise another one with a bigger success!  biggrin.gif
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This was already a success in it's own right. It's the first time LYN has organised a gathering and people turned up. I don't think it's every been done in this thread or any other, not to this scale anyway.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 02:00 PM)
MancsU is a weak team, this season.
It is subject to interpretation. I don't remember the mancs being all-conquering. What they are is consistent. They managed to grind out results even when they don't play well, and they have been doing this for over a decade. This is the hallmark of champions. Mourinho's Chelsea managed to accumulate the most number of 1-0 victories that I can remember of any title winning side and it certainly wasn't smooth sailing all the way. That being said the mancs have lost only 3 games this season, and have already scored 56 goals, 13 more than anyone. If they continue at this pace, they would end the season with over 100 goals, significantly more than last season. They have been porous at the back though but like the Brazilian teams of old, they get away by scoring more than their opponents.

I'd agree that they look more vulnerable this season a the back, but at the same time, they look more deadly up front especially with RVP in the team. Not sure if I'd describe them as being "weak".

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Not that I know.
This was already a success in it's own right. It's the first time LYN has organised a gathering and people turned up. I don't think it's every been done in this thread or any other, not to this scale anyway.
It is subject to interpretation. I don't remember the mancs being all-conquering. What they are is consistent. They managed to grind out results even when they don't play well, and they have been doing this for over a decade. This is the hallmark of champions. Mourinho's Chelsea managed to accumulate the most number of 1-0 victories that I can remember of any title winning side and it certainly wasn't smooth sailing all the way. That being said the mancs have lost only 3 games this season, and have already scored 56 goals, 13 more than anyone. If they continue at this pace, they would end the season with over 100 goals, significantly more than last season. They have been porous at the back though but like the Brazilian teams of old, they get away by scoring more than their opponents.

I'd agree that they look more vulnerable this season a the back, but at the same time, they look more deadly up front especially with RVP in the team. Not sure if I'd describe them as being "weak".
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Should be weak-ER.........they are porous....thats why we should venture...........or BR should.
Again we are not swansea
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If BR go venture mode..you will leak at the back..do you seriuosly think Liverpool can outscore United with 4 very good striker?? You only leak two with defensive mode..imagine what if all go gung-ho.. laugh.gif football not only about attacking..but also about defending...

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 14 2013, 03:40 PM)
i do believe in rotation........BUT you are playing a top tier team. Why play allen who was shite vs Mansfield whereas Hendersen
was the one in form?  The set up, the set up......what was BR thinking? 
If we were gonna invite the Mancs to come agianst us and sit back, they aARE ginna score as far as stats shew.
So one step back and the start chasing?  Spurss game all over again? 

Negative tactics per se.....thsoe games you mentioned: why did the managers use them?
Beacuse Barca will hv 70% posession......is MansU able to do that?  They dont even play that way.
Euro Teams who attcked MancsU at OT shewed that they can be had.....provided you do NOt shew them
too much respect. We shewed too much in the first half. That went out the 2nd half and look what happend.
They began to come under pressure. so much so our Luis sensed that and fought tooth and nail for
the ball which almost resulted in Sturridge scoring for a 2nd time in the match.
Compare 1st hald: Luis was isolated.....his countenance was : What the hell is this? 

In a line: We were not playing to our own strengths but focussing ttoo much on the other.

we will let them worry about us.......shankly?
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I have deep respect for Shankly but his quotes were made during a time we were a dominant team which we aren't today. I could also say that Shankly once proclaimed that football was more important than life and death but look at the when he made that statement. Liverpool was basically and industrial city with many working class folk who toiled for long hours, assuming they had work. Football was their only escape and watching Liverpool play meant the world to them. Why else to Scousers feel to connected to the team until today. Let's take his quote and look at it from another context. Would the victims of Hillsborough agree with that quote?

I said before the game that I wanted Lucas and Allen to keep possession, not so we would sit back and invite them onto us. Here are statistics from the game as a whole.

http://www.thebusbybabe.com/2013/1/14/3873...st-match-quotes

You'll note that we come up tops in terms of possession, passing accuracy, challenges won, interceptions made and we completed more passes as well. What this does not reflect is that we had a poor first half. I don't think many will disagree that we didn't start with the right tactics, and if I were manager, I would have gotten it wrong as well. You mentioned him getting it wrong and then only correcting it in the second half, and not just in this game. It's true. If things don't go according to your gameplan, you switch to plan B. However, I find solace in the fact that BR is willing to acknowledge his mistakes, not through words, but through his actions, which mean more. Talk is cheap unless backed up with action. Some worry that this will be a trend that plagues BR for the rest of his career but I think differently. I see a man who is willing to learn and I am putting my money on the assumption that he will get better, if not this season, then in the next.

In terms of not playing to our strengths, I'd agree if we were still the all-conquering side we once were. Which manager however doesn't adapt his tactics to the opposition? You can't say that Rafa never did. He and Ferguson make changes in personnel all the time, and each personnel is cut from a different cloth meaning tactics have to be changed in accordance with their strengths. Fact of the matter is, managers keep at least one eye on what their opponents are doing. Why would Mourinho have turned up yesterday if he had already decided on how he wanted to shape up against the mancs in the Champions League? Managers do it all the time.
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hey guys, nice meeting all of u all yesterday. cheers to that..

my opinion btw..

1st half lets be honest, v played very badly..very bad to be exact..y? cause v barely had the ball..aint dat what v suppose to do..to keep ball..i think that is the main reason why BR choose Allen to partner Lucas..to keep the ball..Man united pressured us so much wen we had the ball which will lead us to lose the ball.
2nd half the introduction of Sturridge was a good sign as Suarez was pretty much isolated at a time..Sturridge takes the burden out of suarez. you can see that suarez was so heavily marked. His pace caused united alot of problem..from then onwards you can actually see suarez smiling n passing the ball to Sturridge. Borini was decent as well. but i felt v should have gotten a draw.

Few things that i have noted :

1. Suarez can't be doing it all alone week in and week out
2. Allen and Lucas are not the same type of players pls
3. Downing plays well whenever Johnson supporting him.
4. Alot of people hated Henderson last year but suddenly asking why BR didnt start him? wow..
5. Sterling looks off the pace..the kid needs two weeks off..
6. i agree with JonoC that Suarez is having the same issue with Gerrard. Both of them only pass the ball to certain players which they feel is good enough.
7. the combination of suarez and Sturridge looks good..

cheers up guys.
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Hard core man. Was wondering if you'd make your flight.

The problem is no one else was taking photos. Apa la?
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 01:40 PM)
Damn good to get to see you, Duke, Jonno and others. Love the discussions about formation and players. It's just like Lowyat in reality with lots of whiskey.  thumbup.gif

Let's organise another one with a bigger success!  biggrin.gif
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I think everything that needs to be said about the game, already has been said, so I'm not going to add to the discussion.
Moving on, what do you guys think tactics will be like against Norwich?

I don't expect us to repeat the demolition of the Canaries, as they would have learnt from last year.
However, Liverpool really need a morale booster before the double header against Arsenal and the blue half of Manchester.
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Should be weak-ER.........they are porous....thats why we should venture...........or BR should.
Again we are not swansea
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In my opinion, his interviews and responses do in my opinion reflect that of a big club manager. Sure it's his first time actually at a big club (in reputation anyway), but he doesn't look overawed one bit. Roy Hodgson on the other hand, reeked of mediocrity. It isn't even fair to begin to compare the two. With Rodgers, we are hoping to find an unpolished diamond. It's the same when we invest in a young player. he has shown some naivety but he's also shown he isn't afraid to admit it by addressing a problem by making changes, rather than sweeping it under the rug.

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If BR go venture mode..you will leak at the back..do you seriuosly think Liverpool can outscore United with 4 very good striker?? You only leak two with defensive mode..imagine what if all go gung-ho.. laugh.gif football not only about attacking..but also about defending...
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This was my concern. Man Utd are scoring for fun and I certainly would not have been too adventurous. The mistake Liverpool made in the first half, is we gave away possession too often by trying to run through a sea of defenders each time we went forward, with little support. We should have passed the ball backwards and dare I say, sideways more even if it meant a boring match. We were hesitant to go forward and yet we tried almost half heartedly.
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4. Alot of people hated Henderson last year but suddenly asking why BR didnt start him? wow..
Right? This is why I scoff at suggestions that BR isn't a good coach. He's managed to bring out the best in Henderson by easing him into the side and I don't even have to go into how far he's come with Downing and Enrique. What about the young uns? In "Being: Liverpool", he is often seen pulling Jonjo to one side, telling him to play to his strengths. Shelvey has responded with what? 5 or 6 goals? He is also the only midfielder who look to be able to provide any real steel in midfield at the moment. I don't for a minute buy suggestions that BR is a bad coach. He may get his tactics and team selection wrong some times but he makes adjustments.
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QUOTE(Clairvoyant @ Jan 14 2013, 04:07 PM)
hey guys, nice meeting all of u all yesterday. cheers to that..

my opinion btw..

1st half lets be honest, v played very badly..very bad to be exact..y? cause v barely had the ball..aint dat what v suppose to do..to keep ball..i think that is the main reason why BR choose Allen to partner Lucas..to keep the ball..Man united pressured us so much wen we had the ball which will lead us to lose the ball.
2nd half the introduction of Sturridge was a good sign as Suarez was pretty much isolated at a time..Sturridge  takes the burden out of suarez. you can see that suarez was so heavily marked. His pace caused united alot of problem..from then onwards you can actually see suarez smiling n passing the ball to Sturridge. Borini was decent as well. but i felt v should have gotten a draw.

Few things that i have noted :

1. Suarez can't be doing it all alone week in and week out
2. Allen and Lucas are not the same type of players pls
3. Downing plays well whenever Johnson supporting him.
4. Alot of people hated Henderson last year but suddenly asking why BR didnt start him? wow..
5. Sterling looks off the pace..the kid needs two weeks off..
6. i agree with JonoC that Suarez is having the same issue with Gerrard. Both of them only pass the ball to certain players which they feel is good enough.
7. the combination of suarez and Sturridge looks good..

cheers up guys.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 05:20 PM)
Right? This is why I scoff at suggestions that BR isn't a good coach. He's managed to bring out the best in Henderson by easing him into the side and I don't even have to go into how far he's come with Downing and Enrique. What about the young uns? In "Being: Liverpool", he is often seen pulling Jonjo to one side, telling him to play to his strengths. Shelvey has responded with what? 5 or 6 goals? He is also the only midfielder who look to be able to provide any real steel in midfield at the moment. I don't for a minute buy suggestions that BR is a bad coach. He may get his tactics and team selection wrong some times but he makes adjustments.
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Making adjustments - well said duke..we all saw that, the makes changes wenever BR feels the team is doing bad (being brave to make changes)..Some fans should understand that in order to play as wt BR wants Liverpool to play, we need three important qualities - Fitness, trust and ball confidence. Its a work in progress.

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some people juz cant accept that our squad is still no where near what BR wants..only 1 of his player start last nite..he needs time to build his own squad..losing 1-2 away to league leaders is nothing to be ashamed of..if this is his 3rd year as liv manager i can understand the frustration..but not when he only took the job 6 months ago rclxub.gif




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QUOTE(leftist @ Jan 14 2013, 04:43 PM)
some people juz cant accept that our squad is still no where near what BR wants..only 1 of his player start last nite..he needs time to build his own squad..losing 1-2 away to league leaders is nothing to be ashamed of..if this is his 3rd year as liv manager i can understand the frustration..but not when he only took the job 6 months ago rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ Jan 14 2013, 03:54 PM)
If BR go venture mode..you will leak at the back..do you seriuosly think Liverpool can outscore United with 4 very good striker?? You only leak two with defensive mode..imagine what if all go gung-ho.. laugh.gif football not only about attacking..but also about defending...
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i didnt say gungho.....i said venture, not unvite so much unnecessary pressure which only meant as you said, MancsU are gonna score.
That will mean we are on the backfoot to start and always chasing the game.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 04:16 PM)
When we first signed BR, people were talking up his exploits at Swansea. Now that he's lost a number of games, BR was only a manager of a mid-table side. It is a fact that Swansea was and still is a mid-table side and as such, BR is quite literally a mid-table manager. He hasn't managed Barcelona or AC Milan and based on paper, he isn't a top manager. Question is, does he have the makings of one?

In my opinion, his interviews and responses do in my opinion reflect that of a big club manager. Sure it's his first time actually at a big club (in reputation anyway), but he doesn't look overawed one bit. Roy Hodgson on the other hand, reeked of mediocrity. It isn't even fair to begin to compare the two. With Rodgers, we are hoping to find an unpolished diamond. It's the same when we invest in a young player. he has shown some naivety but he's also shown he isn't afraid to admit it by addressing a problem by making changes, rather than sweeping it under the rug.
This was my concern. Man Utd are scoring for fun and I certainly would not have been too adventurous. The mistake Liverpool made in the first half, is we gave away possession too often by trying to run through a sea of defenders each time we went forward, with little support. We should have passed the ball backwards and dare I say, sideways more even if it meant a boring match. We were hesitant to go forward and yet we tried almost half heartedly.
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Maybe hes not overawed in iterviews because he knows he is secured irrespective of what happens in the PL this year.

Whereas Roy like him or not, had to suceed a rather successful spainiard. Thats pr4essure. He may reek of mediocrity to you, but he beat
Redknapp to the national job. How? biggrin.gif

While MancsU maybe scoring for fun, they are also leaking freely.........Thats the point in bold.
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srsly...wadepak my post dun combine! vmad.gif

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I was doing it along with Duke but both of use were running out of voice lol

srsly...wadepak my post dun combine!  vmad.gif
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maranello55, which one is u yesterday ah? haha... tongue.gif
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Hahah he sat with us (Dillon's table) with her Manc girlfriend.
Btw Maranello, did you guys argue after the game? laugh.gif

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Maybe hes not overawed in iterviews because he knows he is secured irrespective of what happens in the PL this year.

Whereas Roy like him or not, had to suceed a rather successful spainiard. Thats pr4essure. He may reek of mediocrity to you, but he beat
Redknapp to the national job. How?  biggrin.gif

While MancsU maybe scoring for fun, they are also leaking freely.........Thats the point in bold.
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It is dead certain BR is safe? I can't say for sure. He wasn't given a 4th place goal, that much I know but I can't think of any basis that guarantees he's safe from the chop. That being said, I doubt he sets put to lose even if he does know he won't be fired.

I'm amazed Hodgson was appointment England manager. I doubt I need to point out the reasons why I never thought he was fit to manage our side. In point form:-

- dodgy interviews
- reluctance to change tactics or formation during games I.e. no plan B.
- insulting LFC fans
- demanding respect before earning it

Yes, this all means he reeks of mediocrity to me. I reckon I'll be hard pressed to find someone who thinks he did a good job during his short stint here, or someone who actually liked him as our manager.

Your last paragraph suggests you feel we should have gone toe-to-toe against them? Well we didnt, and we can assume that we could have won had we. All I know is they are scoring more than us, and are conceding less. Based on this, I think that going for the win could potentially have ended up with us losing by a bigger scoreline but it's all speculation for now. We may have dominated possession in the second half but we still hardly tested De Gea. This to me is indicative of the fact the mancs sat back, that an the fact Fergie brought on two defenders. We definitely played much better in the second half but partly because the mancs allowed us to play.
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Hahah he sat with us (Dillon's table) with her Manc girlfriend.
Btw Maranello, did you guys argue after the game? laugh.gif

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I'm sure u meant "with his man girlfriend " biggrin.gif
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Hi guys, Liverpool supporter here. How are we doing on the par league table?
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Jan 14 2013, 05:27 PM)
Hahah he sat with us (Dillon's table) with her Manc girlfriend.
Btw Maranello, did you guys argue after the game? laugh.gif

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No la...m not the argue-wif-gf-Liverpool-win guy...haih
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Hi guys, Liverpool supporter here. How are we doing on the par league table?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 14 2013, 05:43 PM)
He said "with her manc girlfriend", indicating you were a chick.
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http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=296309.0

That's the par league table.
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u went to the gathering as well a bro? damn i missed out big time cry.gif
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Boarding the flight back to SG now. Gonna miss all the bros. wadefak, dont cry. biggrin.gif next time we fly to KL together and join them. The flights are cheap these days.
Should be having one more in April or May. Take leave this time tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 06:55 PM)
Boarding the flight back to SG now. Gonna miss all the bros. wadefak, dont cry. biggrin.gif next time we fly to KL together and join them. The flights are cheap these days.
Should be having one more in April or May. Take leave this time tongue.gif
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being late to the venue, i didnt introduce myself to who's who. i guess maybe next time. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 14 2013, 05:55 PM)
Boarding the flight back to SG now. Gonna miss all the bros. wadefak, dont cry. biggrin.gif next time we fly to KL together and join them. The flights are cheap these days.
Should be having one more in April or May. Take leave this time tongue.gif
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May? FA cup final? tongue.gif
the only worthwhile match during then anyway is when rafa returns to anfield on april 20th.
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May? FA cup final? tongue.gif
the only worthwhile match during then anyway is when rafa returns to anfield on april 20th.
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Reality here- Have we improved?

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After 22 games in a premier league season Liverpool Football Club have not beaten a side in the current top 10. We've played 11 games so far against teams in the top half of the table and failed to take maximum points. 5 Draws, 6 Defeats.

For me more than anything this has brought me back down to earth with a bump and shown me the true reality of our league position and brought me back down to earth with a bump.

There are those who still murmur about 4th, but can this be a reasonable goal when we can't beat the teams in and around us? Why is it that we have struggled so much against the top sides this season?

Did anyone expect our record to be this poor this season even taking into account the new manager and loss of key players last summer?

How much further do we have to slip for the season's performance to be unacceptable rather than written off as a transitional season? How can a team which includes Suarez, Gerrard, Agger, Skrtel, Reina, Johnson be underperforming to such an extent?


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being late to the venue, i didnt introduce myself to who's who. i guess maybe next time.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 14 2013, 06:20 PM)
May? FA cup final? tongue.gif
the only worthwhile match during then anyway is when rafa returns to anfield on april 20th.
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That would be sweet if we are in the final. So much more meaningful to have a gathering biggrin.gif

But April 20th is just as good because it is a Saturday. Wadefak can surely come tongue.gif

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Reality here- Have we improved?
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We are still tiki-takaing our way alittle and at times looks alittle naive like Barca wannabes but nowhere near. tongue.gif
Nevertheless, chill bro. Most of the prophets always say, give dedication to what you desire and you shall achieve with God's good grace. How come the Prophetjul doesnt know? hahahahah.
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Is this your opinion or someone else's?

Like you I disagrees that Kenny was released. However, being in the situation the we are now, how do you think we can progress?

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maybe not yet.

BR 'system' is still at an infancy. as i mentioned to dillion BR version is only 1.0 while others are probably in their 4.0 or 5.0.

it will take time, it has also a learning curve for brendan. hopefully he figures how to sort us out (esp against the big sides, statistically we are pretty much on the losing end against those side)
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Is this your opinion or someone else's?

Like you I disagrees that Kenny was released. However, being in the situation the we are now, how do you think we can progress?
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Someone elses. Thats why its quoted...............

Depends how much we want to progress and how fast....

i am still at the stage where the jury on BR is still out....whether he will cut it or not to bring this club
to whereever FSG wants to go..

My guess is top 4 for CL qualifcation. Timeframe- not sure. Most likely FSG will want it to be next year due
to income expansion.

Mental state is very important...the mental state of a manager easily rubs off onto the players.
When we face the top teams, the managers instills his tactics into the team to take the field.
They will know whether the gaffer is confident or not.
No doubt BR is still a greenhorn at the top levels.
Goes back to the question: how fast does FSG wanna see CL?
The summer transfer coffers will give an indication of their ambitions AND confidence in BR.

You cant get away from quality players to do the job. Spurs have been pretty good at this especially
during Redknapp's tenure. They have now a pretty good team which IMO is better than Arsenal's.
Hwever to get quality, you have to PAY for it. Thats the world today.
Its much more difficultt to spot cheap talent like michhu.
i am not saying quality players in all positions, but some critical positions.

IMO i dont think our midfielders are top rung now. Thats where the problem is. The engine room.
BR's blue eye boy Allen is too lightweight for my liking. Many times now, when pressured he
makes awful passes and bad decisions.
Hopefully Lucas can come back to pre injury levels.

So IMO quality players make the blueprint of a team. So RATE of progress depends on
how we aquire them.
From evidence thus far FSG may not get their wish to CL soon. Their policy appears to be
young age 20 to 24 price around 10 to 13mil type of hopefuls........as it is, just hopeful
as with the manager.
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But April 20th is just as good because it is a Saturday. Wadefak can surely come tongue.gif
Nope. We have not. Simple as that biggrin.gif
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on a different note, i wonder why hasnt anyone posted this yet http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tra...efender-1534344

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"Forren was by far and away the best player in the Norwegian Premier League last year. But what made a big move inevitable was the way he extended that to internationals and the Europa League.

"After looking like lost potential, Forren has become calmness personified under Ole Gunnar Solskjær.

"A skilful, strong, left-footed centre back might sound familiar to Liverpool fans, and comparisons to Daniel Agger in terms of style and potential are wholly justifiable."

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looks like Vegard Forren, a central defender will join us next, future danish duo in the nack for the future?? tongue.gif
seems dat coates will go out for a loan and i think its a goodbye Ince?

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looks like Vegard Forren, a central defender will join us next, future danish duo in the nack for the future?? tongue.gif
seems dat coates will go out for a loan and  i think its a goodbye Ince?
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ummmmmm Norwegian? biggrin.gif
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ummmmmm  Norwegian?  biggrin.gif
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ooshiet sorry still in a dreamland lol..
he's from a club managed by ole gunnar solks..
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Hes not bad.......  biggrin.gif  ROCKET 

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damn i miss his sweet left foot. as well as the team back then laugh.gif
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Andy Gray called that rocket a ............ BLIP* biggrin.gif
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btw why are we still linked with wesley sneijder? i tot he's going to galatasaray?
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 07:35 AM)
Someone elses. Thats why its quoted...............

Depends how much we want to progress and how fast....

i am still at the stage where the jury on BR is still out....whether he will cut it or not to bring this club
to whereever FSG wants to go..

My guess is top 4 for CL qualifcation.  Timeframe- not sure. Most likely FSG will want it to be next year due
to income expansion.

Mental state is very important...the mental state of a manager easily rubs off onto the players.
When we face the top teams, the managers instills his tactics into the team to take the field.
They will know whether the gaffer is confident or not.
No doubt BR is still a greenhorn at the top levels.
Goes back to the question: how fast does FSG wanna see CL?
The summer transfer coffers will give an indication of their ambitions AND confidence in BR.

You cant get away from quality players to do the job. Spurs have been pretty good at this especially
during Redknapp's tenure. They have now a pretty good team which IMO is better than Arsenal's.
Hwever to get quality, you have to PAY for it. Thats the world today.
Its much more difficultt to spot cheap talent like michhu.
i am not saying quality players in all positions, but some critical positions.

IMO i dont think our midfielders are top rung now. Thats where the problem is. The engine room.
BR's blue eye boy Allen is too lightweight for my liking. Many times now, when pressured he
makes awful passes and bad decisions.
Hopefully Lucas can come back to pre injury levels.

So IMO quality players make the blueprint of a team. So RATE of progress depends on
how we aquire them.
From evidence thus far FSG may not get their wish to CL soon. Their policy appears to be
young age 20 to 24 price around 10 to 13mil type of hopefuls........as it is, just hopeful
as with the manager.
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I agree with most of what you said. From where I'm sitting, BR has done nothing wrong in terms of player management. You draw a correlation between his tactics and confidence. More often than not this season, we've dominated our opponents in the area of possession and shots on goal. In terms of instilling confidence in his players, I think it says a great deal that he's backed Suarez to the hilt, each and every time. He has also put a lot of faith in young players. He has never come out to say that we need more quality signings, thereby undermining the positions of any of our current crop. He is also very clear on how he wants us to play, for better or for worse. In this sense, he is almost single minded and definitely determined.

Quality players. You either buy them or you develop them. At this point it looks to be the case of the latter. You mentioned FSG's policy which indicates that they will give the manager time. Competing for the CL next season is a nice thought but until and unless they decide to invest in a couple of star players, they in my opinion would not expect success this quick. How long will they be willing to wait? I reckon they'll let Brendan see out the duration of his contract and chart his progress at the end of it. Will they at some point decide to purchase big names? Yes, I do believe they will but as they have said, they will not indulge in deficit spending. When our cheque books reflect positive income, they will show us the money, so to speak. It's why in his interviews, John Henry talks about our financial health and not what happens on the pitch. This is indicative of where our priorities lie at the moment.

Our midfield is certainly not amongst the best in the league unlike when we had Stevie G, Alonso, Sissoko and Mascherano in the side, prompting the song, "best midfield in the world". What we do have is a next generation of players with the potential to become a good unit. Joe Allen, Jonjo Shelvey and Jordan Henderson are all 22 or under. Lucas is already a veteran at 26. Joe Allen may be a tiny bloke but he exemplifies the saying, "it's isnt about the size of the dog in a fight, it's about the size if the fight in the dog". He is a tenacious bloke. People focus on his errant back pass against the mancs. Some claim he's been making bad passes and yet he has a pass completion ratio of over 90% so I don't know where that's coming from. Being in the role that he plays, he is often put under pressure. Defenders look for him as an outlet and he in turn passes the ball to someone with more vision and range like Gerrard. It can't be easy having to run back to our defenders, pick up a pass, have someone hound you, and look for a fellow teammate with your back to them. Anyway, back to the game against the mancs. He did almost rack up an assist in the wrong end of the pitch but few note his excellent double challenge in the second half.

I'm not deluded enough to say that Allen has been a success story. I am however a little protective of him just as I am any player who bleeds for the team. If a player tries, he deserves our respect at least, if not our love. These days I see a lot of harsh criticism aimed at under performing players, to the point it is filled with spite and hate. I say no player with the interest of the club in mind who puts in a laborous shift deserves it. You brought up Shankly earlier and if there is one thing I remember about being a Liverpool fan, it's that we have always shown appreciation for players who work hard, despite them lacking talent. The names of Erik Meijer, Titi Camara and Igor Biscan come to mind. It is the way I was brought up as a fan and I will remember my roots. Not saying Allen is beyond criticism but just like how some fans were harsh in their comments in Dalglish, I feel Allen needs to be given some appreciation for at least trying.

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I agree with most of what you said. From where I'm sitting, BR has done nothing wrong in terms of player management. You draw a correlation between his tactics and confidence. More often than not this season, we've dominated our opponents in the area of possession and shots on goal. In terms of instilling confidence in his players, I think it says a great deal that he's backed Suarez to the hilt, each and every time. He has also put a lot of faith in young players. He has never come out to say that we need more quality signings, thereby undermining the positions of any of our current crop. He is also very clear on how he wants us to play, for better or for worse. In this sense, he is almost single minded and definitely determined.

Quality players. You either buy them or you develop them. At this point it looks to be the case of the latter. You mentioned FSG's policy which indicates that they will give the manager time. Competing for the CL next season is a nice thought but until and unless they decide to invest in a couple of star players, they in my opinion would not expect success this quick. How long will they be willing to wait? I reckon they'll let Brendan see out the duration of his contract and chart his progress at the end of it. Will they at some point decide to purchase big names? Yes, I do believe they will but as they have said, they will not indulge in deficit spending. When our cheque books reflect positive income, they will show us the money, so to speak. It's why in his interviews, John Henry talks about our financial health and not what happens on the pitch. This is indicative of where our priorities lie at the moment.

Our midfield is certainly not amongst the best in the league unlike when we had Stevie G, Alonso, Sissoko and Mascherano in the side, prompting the song, "best midfield in the world". What we do have is a next generation of players with the potential to become a good unit. Joe Allen, Jonjo Shelvey and Jordan Henderson are all 22 or under. Lucas is already a veteran at 26. Joe Allen may be a tiny bloke but he exemplifies the saying, "it's isnt about the size of the dog in a fight, it's about the size if the fight in the dog". He is a tenacious bloke. People focus on his errant back pass against the mancs. Some claim he's been making bad passes and yet he has a pass completion ratio of over 90% so I don't know where that's coming from. Being in the role that he plays, he is often put under pressure. Defenders look for him as an outlet and he in turn passes the ball to someone with more vision and range like Gerrard. It can't be easy having to run back to our defenders, pick up a pass, have someone hound you, and look for a fellow teammate with your back to them. Anyway, back to the game against the mancs. He did almost rack up an assist in the wrong end of the pitch but few note his excellent double challenge in the second half.

I'm not deluded enough to say that Allen has been a success story. I am however a little protective of him just as I am any player who bleeds for the team. If a player tries, he deserves our respect at least, if not our love. These days I see a lot of harsh criticism aimed at under performing players, to the point it is filled with spite and hate. I say no player with the interest of the club in mind who puts in a laborous shift deserves it. You brought up Shankly earlier and if there is one thing I remember about being a Liverpool fan, it's that we have always shown appreciation for players who work hard, despite them lacking talent. The names of Erik Meijer, Titi Camara and Igor Biscan come to mind. It is the way I was brought up as a fan and I will remember my roots. Not saying Allen is beyond criticism but just like how some fans were harsh in their comments in Dalglish, I feel Allen needs to be given some appreciation for at least trying.
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i agree that we dominated small teams. However we appear to have a withdrwal symtom against bigger teams.
manager or players? Anybody's guess.
Dont get ma wrong. Or team is pretty good. They CAN stand up to the big guns IMO. The 2nd halves against
Spurs and MancsU shewed that. They HAve the ability. The question is WHY only in eth 2nd half
when we are already behind. Why cant we start off from the 1st half?
i remembered during rafas time, when many were cautious about thebigger teams and attacking them from the
oft, Rafa did just that to great effect. The CL semis against Chelsea comes to mind. We took the game to them.Worked.

Similarly in this present time, the team have shown that they CAN match the big teams WHEN they have to.
Now is this the manager or the players problem? IMO BR has set the players mindset to be cautious in starting the game.
Next time you watch them against smaller teams, major difference is that they pressed the hell out of the smaller teams
from the start. It can work because they have actaully done that to the two Mancs at anfield........

Allen: The question really is : WHY play him when he is off form and Henderson is in great form? That IS the question really........

Gist: i am questioning BR's management style and his midtable mindset
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Sols should edit the title description kop talk 2013 ady.

Btw happy with team performance on 2nd half. Daniel looks promising with good first touch.
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QUOTE(leaF @ Jan 15 2013, 10:16 AM)
Sols should edit the title description kop talk 2013 ady.

Btw happy with team performance on 2nd half. Daniel looks promising with good first touch.
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btw why are we still linked with wesley sneijder? i tot he's going to galatasaray?
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Nope. He has rejected Gala as some sources said.
They also mentioned that the reason for rejecting it was because he's waiting for us to get him.

Wow! Ian Ayre must be blushing! biggrin.gif

But no need lah. Already got too many midfielders unless we sacrifice Allen and put him on the bench and then put the passmaster Wesley in. But I dont see that happening honestly.
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Sneidjer? We dont need another monstrous wage in our bill.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 10:22 AM)
Nope. He has rejected Gala as some sources said.
They also mentioned that the reason for rejecting it was because he's waiting for us to get him.

Wow! Ian Ayre must be blushing! biggrin.gif

But no need lah. Already got too many midfielders unless we sacrifice Allen and put him on the bench and then put the passmaster Wesley in. But I dont see that happening honestly.
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Gerrard + Sneijder drool.gif

Alonso srs wanna comeback anot?
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Rafa Rafa.....as much as I love him, he is history. Let's not compare BR to Rafa anymore please.
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 15 2013, 10:24 AM)
Gerrard + Sneijder  drool.gif

Alonso srs wanna comeback anot?
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I would prefer Alonso coming back than us going for Sneijder but then we still have room for giving out generous wages? tongue.gif
Not sure if Alonso will come back for $35000 plus massive performance bonuses. Haha biggrin.gif

It's the defense i am most worried about. Agger and Skrtel have been performing like YoYo. Up and down. Sometimes, great, sometimes average. That is costly to us.

So whoever this Vegard guy is, I hope he is not another Vegard Heggem (Good but so unlucky).
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 15 2013, 10:24 AM)
Gerrard + Sneijder  drool.gif

Alonso srs wanna comeback anot?
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i think Alonso is still a long shot bro. but it would still be a great hope laugh.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 10:00 AM)
i agree that we dominated small teams. However we appear to have a withdrwal symtom against bigger teams.
manager or players?  Anybody's guess.
Dont get ma wrong. Or team is pretty good. They CAN stand up to the big guns IMO. The 2nd halves against
Spurs and MancsU shewed that. They HAve the ability. The question is  WHY only in eth 2nd half
when we are already behind. Why cant we start off from the 1st half?
i remembered during rafas time, when many were cautious about thebigger teams and attacking them from the
oft, Rafa did just that to great effect. The CL semis against Chelsea comes to mind. We took the game to them.Worked.

Similarly in this present time, the team have shown that they CAN match the big teams WHEN they have to.
Now is this the manager or the players problem? IMO BR has set the players mindset to be cautious in starting the game.
Next time you watch them against smaller teams, major difference is that they pressed the hell out of the smaller teams
from the start. It can work because they have actaully done that to the two Mancs at anfield........

Allen:  The question really is : WHY play him when he is off form and Henderson is in great form?  That IS the question really........

Gist: i am questioning BR's management style and his midtable mindset
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I think we can agree to disagree on BR's mindset. I do think he has the hallmarks of a big club manager simply because he never appears to be overwhelmed by the occasion. Put him in front of a camera and he always appears methodical and he articulates his views clearly.

The decision to start Allen ahead if Henderson is in my opinion (and it has been since before the game started) to recycle possession. His game may bore some but the fact that we have on average this season kept 59% of possession is partially down to him. I said it before and I'll say it again, Joe Allen is the type of player who can dictate the pace of a game. He sees the ball as often as Steven Gerrard. Defenders look to pass the ball to him because his pass completion ratio is second only to Jordan Henderson. Yes he plays safe passes most of the time but that's what he's meant to do. We rest when we're on the ball and this means that we cannot always look for Hollywood passes. Did it work against the mancs? Well we lost, so no but this is why I felt Joe Allen should have started. It didnt work out obviously but who hasn't been wrong?

You mention how we set up against big teams but how many games are you referring to? I mentioned the positive approach we adopted against City and Arsenal earlier in the season, and they are big teams. The only explanation I can give for playing a game of two halves is that when we are behind, our opponents tend also to sit back in the second half, letting us come at them. It therefore gives the false illusion that all the credit goes to us pushing. When Fergie put on two defenders, did we expect them to push forward? No, they wanted to close the gaps at the back and hit us on the break.

When Rafa was in charge, it was said that we played well against the big sides and disappeared against smaller teams. Fact is that there are more smaller teams and big ones in the league and given a choice, winning against the smaller will give us more points. The thing is, we should be able to do both. We've not beaten the big teams under Rodgers but it wasn't for the want of trying. In the games against Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd (at Anfield), we dominated largely but failed to win. Maybe, and just maybe, it's why Rodgers decided to go with caution at OT.


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 10:30 AM)
I would prefer Alonso coming back than us going for Sneijder but then we still have room for giving out generous wages? tongue.gif
Not sure if Alonso will come back for $35000 plus massive performance bonuses. Haha biggrin.gif

It's the defense i am most worried about. Agger and Skrtel have been performing like YoYo. Up and down. Sometimes, great, sometimes average. That is costly to us.

So whoever this Vegard guy is, I hope he is not another Vegard Heggem (Good but so unlucky).
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We can wait till Lucas n Allen can gel together and understand our play or straight away plug in someone established.

We need a 'Carra'. Whn hes around....our defense being directed wut exactly to do. When hes off, its Pepe....but it takes alot out of Pepe to do that...
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We can wait till Lucas n Allen can gel together and understand our play or straight away plug in someone established.

We need a 'Carra'. Whn hes around....our defense being directed wut exactly to do. When hes off, its Pepe....but it takes alot out of Pepe to do that...
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Yup. We're seeing far too many goals conceded like the one Evra/Vidic scored.
Remember how Jon Walters / Kewyn Jones buried us?

This has got to stop, seriously. It's schoolboy error in set-piece defending.

We need a Hyppia, bro.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 10:00 AM)
i agree that we dominated small teams. However we appear to have a withdrwal symtom against bigger teams.
manager or players?  Anybody's guess.
Dont get ma wrong. Or team is pretty good. They CAN stand up to the big guns IMO. The 2nd halves against
Spurs and MancsU shewed that. They HAve the ability. The question is  WHY only in eth 2nd half
when we are already behind. Why cant we start off from the 1st half?
i remembered during rafas time, when many were cautious about thebigger teams and attacking them from the
oft, Rafa did just that to great effect. The CL semis against Chelsea comes to mind. We took the game to them.Worked.

Similarly in this present time, the team have shown that they CAN match the big teams WHEN they have to.
Now is this the manager or the players problem? IMO BR has set the players mindset to be cautious in starting the game.
Next time you watch them against smaller teams, major difference is that they pressed the hell out of the smaller teams
from the start. It can work because they have actaully done that to the two Mancs at anfield........

Allen:  The question really is : WHY play him when he is off form and Henderson is in great form?  That IS the question really........

Gist: i am questioning BR's management style and his midtable mindset
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Even the likes of QPR and Fulham have that. Not to belittle them but they also showed resilience going against bigger team.

The key is the correct player playing in the correct position with the correct strategy. Its a gamble rly.
Sometimes the player is rite and hes in the rite position but the opposite team strategised better.
Sometimes the strategy is rite, but the player doesnt go up to it.
Sometimes its abt how fast u read ur opponents play and manage a counter-strategy.

In Allens case, remember how we used to hate Lucas?
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Yup. We're seeing far too many goals conceded like the one Evra/Vidic scored.
Remember how Jon Walters / Kewyn Jones buried us?

This has got to stop, seriously. It's schoolboy error in set-piece defending.

We need a Hyppia, bro.
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loooking back to the past, how can we let these kinna players go sad.gif
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I think we can agree to disagree on BR's mindset. I do think he has the hallmarks of a big club manager simply because he never appears to be overwhelmed by the occasion. Put him in front of a camera and he always appears methodical and he articulates his views clearly.

The decision to start Allen ahead if Henderson is in my opinion (and it has been since before the game started) to recycle possession. His game may bore some but the fact that we have on average this season kept 59% of possession is partially down to him. I said it before and I'll say it again, Joe Allen is the type of player who can dictate the pace of a game. He sees the ball as often as Steven Gerrard. Defenders look to pass the ball to him because his pass completion ratio is second only to Jordan Henderson. Yes he plays safe passes most of the time but that's what he's meant to do. We rest when we're on the ball and this means that we cannot always look for Hollywood passes. Did it work against the mancs? Well we lost, so no but this is why I felt Joe Allen should have started. It didnt work out obviously but who hasn't been wrong?

You mention how we set up against big teams but how many games are you referring to? I mentioned the positive approach we adopted against City and Arsenal earlier in the season, and they are big teams. The only explanation I can give for playing a game of two halves is that when we are behind, our opponents tend also to sit back in the second half, letting us come at them. It therefore gives the false illusion that all the credit goes to us pushing. When Fergie put on two defenders, did we expect them to push forward? No, they wanted to close the gaps at the back and hit us on the break.

When Rafa was in charge, it was said that we played well against the big sides and disappeared against smaller teams. Fact is that there are more smaller teams and big ones in the league and given a choice, winning against the smaller will give us more points. The thing is, we should be able to do both. We've not beaten the big teams under Rodgers but it wasn't for the want of trying. In the games against Arsenal, Man City and Man Utd (at Anfield), we dominated largely but failed to win. Maybe, and just maybe, it's why Rodgers decided to go with caution at OT.
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What you have mentioned about Allen, Henderson have been doing that as well, but with greater impact, in that
he has been able to move the ball forward in a rather more effective manner.
He has been able to clean up as well as allen. What i observe presently is that Henderson is more effective
when there is an attacking play. His link up with the strikers and attacking midfielders is
much better. Use of the ball is better.

Allen's completion ratio stats is deceiving. i could get that ratio in passing 2 , 3 yds or backwards.
Its how effective are his passes? Compare his passes to Lucas. Lucas' passes are more penetrative and effective
to move the ball faster when we win possession. Whereas Allen's passes tend to slow down and stiffles the
turning of defence to attack.

As said, Earlier in the season we were doing it . Why cant we do it now?
We were obviously sitting back against the MancsU. Most times all but Luis were back defending, inviting
MancsU to attack. There was a huge gulf between Luis and the rest. That was pretty obvious. Pretty obvious they would score sooner than later.
Trying to beat big teams after falling behind? Not easy, is it?
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Yup. We're seeing far too many goals conceded like the one Evra/Vidic scored.
Remember how Jon Walters / Kewyn Jones buried us?

This has got to stop, seriously. It's schoolboy error in set-piece defending.

We need a Hyppia, bro.
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I can't quite put my finger on the problem. Under Rafa, zonal marking was criticised because we were conceding from set pieces. Until today, we're still prone to conceding from them. What gives? In Agger, Skrtel, Kelly, Johnson, Carra, Wisdom and Coates, we do have some height. The shortest bloke in this list is Carra and he is 6 ft tall.
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Even the likes of QPR and Fulham have that. Not to belittle them but they also showed resilience going against bigger team.

The key is the correct player playing in the correct position with the correct strategy. Its a gamble rly.
Sometimes the player is rite and hes in the rite position but the opposite team strategised better.
Sometimes the strategy is rite, but the player doesnt go up to it.
Sometimes its abt how fast u read ur opponents play and manage a counter-strategy.

In Allens case, remember how we used to hate Lucas?
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thats why i question BR's mentality....we are NOT QPR or Fulham. They are relegation fighters.
Our team is much better than theirs.

In Allens case, we have Henderson in form.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 15 2013, 10:55 AM)
I can't quite put my finger on the problem. Under Rafa, zonal marking was criticised because we were conceding from set pieces. Until today, we're still prone to conceding from them. What gives? In Agger, Skrtel, Kelly, Johnson, Carra, Wisdom and Coates, we do have some height. The shortest bloke in this list is Carra and he is 6 ft tall.
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From the attacking point of view, all they did was simple run ins like the one that John Terry and gang always do. A few fellas running in and 1 fella stopping Reina from coming out. That causes our defense to panic and the marking went all over the places hence freeing some players for clear header.

Under Hyppia, he can read the danger very well and would normally pick the right spot and right player to mark hence always getting the ball out of dangerous situation for us.

Perhaps our current players concentrated too much on the players they are marking and not the ball that is coming. I dont know. Either way, we conceded this kind of goals one too many so far and it's hurting our cause.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 10:54 AM)
What you have mentioned about Allen, Henderson have been doing that as well, but with greater impact, in that
he has been able to move the ball forward in a rather more effective manner.
He has been able to clean up as well as allen. What i observe presently is that Henderson is more effective
when there is an attacking play
. His link up with the strikers and attacking midfielders is
much better. Use of the ball is better.


Indeed and like I said, I reckon the decision to leave Henderson out was because we did not intend to go on the offensive. In hindsight, it wasn't the best thing to do but ask me again before the game and I would have still advocated caution.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 10:54 AM)
Allen's completion ratio stats is deceiving. i could get that ratio in passing 2 , 3 yds or backwards.
Its how effective are his passes? Compare his passes to Lucas. Lucas' passes are more penetrative and effective
to move the ball faster when we win possession. Whereas Allen's passes tend to slow down and stiffles the
turning of defence to attack.


I did acknowledge that he makes simple passes most of the time but I also stated why I feel this is important. His role is to recycle possession. Xavi does the same thing, only he plays further up the park. By doing so, the players get to rest. We didn't press in the first half against the mancs but we usually do, and we can't play a high tempo game for the full 90. It is a case of blaming the game and not the player I feel, just as how Lucas used to play a thankless role. When Allen was played further up front as a sub against Sunderland, he had three opportunities on goal, more than he's managed the entire season. He also linked up well with the attackers. However, he's been played mostly at the back. Why? I reckon it's because Lucas isn't yet back to his best and the boss feels he needs in insurance policy. This is just my opinion of course, but Lucas does need some cover until he rediscovers his form. He was on the pitch against Villa but not once did he pick up anyone from midfield leading up to their 3 goals, whilst in replays you can clearly see Allen in the midst of action.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 10:54 AM)
As said, Earlier in the season we were doing it . Why cant we do it now?
We were obviously sitting back against the MancsU. Most times all but Luis were back defending, inviting
MancsU to attack. There was a huge gulf between Luis and the rest. That was pretty obvious. Pretty obvious they would score sooner than later.
Trying to beat big teams after falling behind?  Not easy, is it?
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Think it did try to address your query. I mentioned that having a go at bigger teams earlier in the season didn't garner positive results, with the exception of the draw at Stamford Bridge. We were scoring but we were also conceding. I posted yesterday how in our last 10 games we have been conceding less and scoring more as compared to out first 10 games of the season. You can be cautious and still win games. It just didnt play out last Sunday.

The first half agains the mancs was awful, I think anyone would acknowledge that but you can't use that one game to define our season.
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I'd like to join in the discussion but....too lazy :/

But why I support BR and FSG?

Sustainability & passion.
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I'd like to join in the discussion but....too lazy :/

But why I support BR and FSG?

Sustainability & passion.
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Then just use the 1-word strategy.

BR / FSG = Good. Long term, people. Long term.
Defense = need improvement
Attack = promising
Sneijder = no thanks
Dillon Yong = awesome to the max! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 11:15 AM)
Then just use the 1-word strategy.

BR / FSG = Good. Long term, people. Long term.
Defense = need improvement
Attack = promising
Sneijder = no thanks
Dillon Yong = awesome to the max! biggrin.gif
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LOL, if one word it's gonna look ridiculous but let's put it this way

BR = Attacking, total football, entertaining. Philosophy may not win hearts due to not winning but am giving him 2 more years

FSG = Long term, passion, building higher income instead of expenditure, develop the youth

Defense = I miss Hyypia and Henchoz

Attack = Sturridge is more direct, Borini quite good, Suarez like BR, all show no finish tongue.gif

Sneijder = Don't like his face

lilredridinghood = Is a guy after all

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The first half agains the mancs was awful, I think anyone would acknowledge that but you can't use that one game to define our season.
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Actually the 1st half vs MancsU and spurs defined not the season but BR's mentality.

The season will be defined by the fact we have yet to beat the top 10 teams after playing 21 games.
End of the day, the holy grail of a game is the points. All else is moot.
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Actually the 1st half vs MancsU and spurs defined not the season but BR's mentality.

The season will be defined by the fact we have yet to beat the top 10 teams after playing 21 games.
End of the day, the holy grail of a game is the points. All else is moot.
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like Rafa says, these are facts and yours arent...
1. we've played 22 games... whistling.gif
2. we havent beaten any top 10 teams based on current standings, but when we beat west ham a few weeks they were 8th in the table biggrin.gif
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like Rafa says, these are facts and yours arent...
1. we've played 22 games...  whistling.gif
2. we havent beaten any top 10 teams based on current standings, but when we beat west ham a few weeks they were 8th in the table biggrin.gif
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That was a fact then ........... at 21 games played.......... whistling.gif
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its funny how when some ppl get butthurt they throw out non-sensical replies in the hopes of trying to divert attention away...
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 11:36 AM)
Actually the 1st half vs MancsU and spurs defined not the season but BR's mentality.

The season will be defined by the fact we have yet to beat the top 10 teams after playing 21 games.
End of the day, the holy grail of a game is the points. All else is moot.
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your own opinion really

I rather we stay like this if we have to resort to sacking/replacing managers and buying 11 big names to achieve success.

I did call for Woy's sacking but only because I disliked his managerial methods, his philosophy.

Had we win with Woy's tactics, I would still not like him because of the way he presented himself.

Our own opinions, please do not empower what you think on us....we innocent whistling.gif
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COme on guys. Hug and kiss and make up. tongue.gif

It's just a discussion. biggrin.gif

I think 2 bottles of whiskey will do. biggrin.gif
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its funny how when some ppl get butthurt they throw out non-sensical replies in the hopes of trying to divert attention away...
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Yes,..same when some ppl trying to gain attention by being an ASS.....no wonder i had ye on ignore.
Back there then............ biggrin.gif
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COme on guys. Hug and kiss and make up. tongue.gif

It's just a discussion. biggrin.gif

I think 2 bottles of whiskey will do. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 15 2013, 11:52 AM)
your own opinion really

I rather we stay like this if we have to resort to sacking/replacing managers and buying 11 big names to achieve success.

I did call for Woy's sacking but only because I disliked his managerial methods, his philosophy.

Had we win with Woy's tactics, I would still not like him because of the way he presented himself.

Our own opinions, please do not empower what you think on us....we innocent  whistling.gif
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Of course its my opinion. i could have sworn thats what msg boards are for?

i am not trying to force my opinions on you.......

Would you have like Woy if he won you a PL? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 11:58 AM)
Of course its my opinion. i could have sworn thats what msg boards are for?  

i am not trying to force my opinions on you.......

Would you have like Woy if he won you a PL?    biggrin.gif
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To answer your question, nope.

GH was defensive but I liked him for his character

In the end, Liverpool FC to me is more than just winning.

Mourinho may come and win us titles but I might just stop watching football after that.

By the way.

You wrote: "End of the day, the holy grail of a game is the points. All else is moot."

If that isn't, then sorry, my interpretation skills lousy.

But I'd just like to reiterate, I'd rather us win like champs than win like Mourinho smile.gif

*perhaps easier for me cause I have never seen Liverpool FC winning the league before, I'm still a young boy after all and I don't really brag about Liverpool FC winning or bear any ill feelings when Man Utd fans insult me. smile.gif Used to be but no more.



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Yes,..same when some ppl trying to gain attention by being an ASS.....no wonder i had ye on ignore.
Back there then............  biggrin.gif
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haha, another non-sensical reply...obviously im not on ignore now...

but then again i didnt mention ur name...so if ur butthurt...im sorry but u can...
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Taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture, these are the cold hard facts, to me anyway.

1) Chopping and changing managers isn't going to work unless we intend to spend money on established players. There is no quick fix especially when we are looking at developing young players who are nowhere near their prime yet.
2) We have a fixed style of play and the only way we'll perfect it is by persisting with it. Rome wasn't built in a day.

On the issue of BR and his approach to games against bigger sides, I disagree that by being cautious, he has the mentality of a mid table manager. I mentioned before that the likes of Mourinho and Rafa have often used negative tactics to win games. In fact, going on the offensive all the time is to me, a little naive.

Also, nothing in what he says proves to me that he isn't ambitious enough to manage a big club. He isn't there yet but at 39 we have a young manager with potential so the question really is, does he have the potential to be a great manager? Has he made mistakes? Yes. Has he made adjustments each time he made a mistake? Yes. Does he have a clear vision of what he wants? Yes, and he's articulated it plenty of times. Mourinho rates him and that does say something about his potential. Like many of our players, he may not be the finished article but I feel that he has what it takes to manage a big club and be a successful manager. I mean if we can forgive young players for making mistakes in the past, why can't we do the same with our manager?

My 2 cents.

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Looks like there is no stopping this verbal abuses.

Might as well, sit back with Wadefak, and eat pop corn and watch. biggrin.gif
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between losing to manu after we dominate them and winning after we get dominated by them... which one feels better?

same goes...

win PL but lost twice to them or do a double on them but lost the league?

not easy to asnwer really...

makes you wish for the perfect day to come again
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Looks like there is no stopping this verbal abuses.

Might as well, sit back with Wadefak, and eat pop corn and watch. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 15 2013, 12:06 PM)
Taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture, these are the cold hard facts, to me anyway.

1) Chopping and changing managers isn't going to work unless we intend to spend money on established players. There is no quick fix especially when we are looking at developing young players who are nowhere near their prime yet.
2) We have a fixed style of play and the only way we'll perfect it is by persisting with it. Rome wasn't built in a day.

On the issue of BR and his approach to games against bigger sides, I disagree that by being cautious, he has the mentality of a mid table manager. I mentioned before that the likes of Mourinho and Rafa have often used negative tactics to win games. In fact, going on the offensive all the time is to me, a little naive.

Also, nothing in what he says proves to me that he isn't ambitious enough to manage a big club. He isn't there yet but at 39 we have a young manager with potential so the question really is, does he have the potential to be a great manager? Has he made mistakes? Yes. Has he made adjustments each time he made a mistake? Yes. Does he have a clear vision of what he wants? Yes, and he's articulated it plenty of times. Mourinho rates him and that does say something about his potential. Like many of our players, he may not be the finished article but I feel that he has what it takes to manage a big club and be a successful manager. I mean if we can forgive young players for making mistakes in the past, why can't we do the same with our manager?

My 2 cents.
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interesting points there. the thought that came into my mind when u said that he's not a finished article like many of our players, he's a manager that develops the players as well as himself at the same time.

would like to see how far can he bring the squad. hoping for the best as always! thumbup.gif
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To answer your question, nope.

GH was defensive but I liked him for his character

In the end, Liverpool FC to me is more than just winning.

Mourinho may come and win us titles but I might just stop watching football after that.

By the way.

You wrote: "End of the day, the holy grail of a game is the points. All else is moot."

If that isn't, then sorry, my interpretation skills lousy.

But I'd just like to reiterate, I'd rather us win like champs than win like Mourinho smile.gif

*perhaps easier for me cause I have never seen Liverpool FC winning the league before, I'm still a young boy after all and I don't really brag about Liverpool FC winning or bear any ill feelings when Man Utd fans insult me. smile.gif Used to be but no more.
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What have you against Mourinho? smile.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 12:07 PM)
Looks like there is no stopping this verbal abuses.

Might as well, sit back with Wadefak, and eat pop corn and watch. biggrin.gif
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To be honest, apart from meeting old friends and making new friends, what I really liked about the gathering was in spite of the existence of some Man Utd fans and their banters, we displayed sportsmanship, like Duke said to me that day, "Take it like a man" and there I saw, all of us took it well, like men and for some, women.

I kept telling people, let's not let English football bring the ugly side out of us, and that's what I enjoyed looking that day.

Gloomy faces from some yes but in the end, most if not all had fun. rclxms.gif
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duh... this kind of argument can easily be non existent if we won the game

show that, like it or not, whether you confess or not, winning is all that matters. ppl can be saint about playing style coaching style etc, in the end, win a few cups, and nobody will complaint

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Do I have to write out everything to say why I don't see him as a Liverpool manager?
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duh... this kind of argument can easily be non existent if we won the game

show that, like it or not, whether you confess or not, winning is all that matters. ppl can be saint about playing style coaching style etc, in the end, win a few cups, and nobody will complaint

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Not in my case. I am thoroughly honest.

Just because majority thinks like that doesn't mean I do.

If I supported Liverpool FC because they were the most successful team in England, why I did not choose to support Real Madrid instead? I've been more fond of Barcelona for their culture and passion since the Luis Enrique's days and were they winning then? No.

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Just to add, I'm not trying to convince people to like BR. What I'm doing is giving an honest, hard working man the benefit of the doubt. I sense some reservations that he's British but the most successful manager of my time is British and his team just beat us on Sunday. Rodgers isn't your typical British manager though. He has travelled Europe, studying different coaching methods, and from the work he's done with some of the young lads, including Henderson, Enrique and Downing, I'd say he's a pretty capable one. He was invited by Mourinho to head Chelsea's youth academy and was subsequently promoted to reserve team manager. This tells me that he's a good candidate for what we want to achieve, that is to develop young home grown players in light of FFP.

In summary, I'm showing faith in him because from what I can see and what I've read, he has potential.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 15 2013, 12:17 PM)
duh... this kind of argument can easily be non existent if we won the game

show that, like it or not, whether you confess or not, winning is all that matters. ppl can be saint about playing style coaching style etc, in the end, win a few cups, and nobody will complaint

not serving chilli or against anyone smile.gif
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The way I see it, your statement is half true. Like Lil red says, if winning were all that matters, why would Liverpool fans still support the club? Winning is important, we all want to win but we also have to embrace the reality that is. We are not a quick fix. So whether or not we are moving in the right direction is the subject of argument. It's obvious that I feel we are and I accept that some don't see it that way.

As much as I'm glad Houllier brought back some silverware, I absolutely hated the way we played. We were me dimensional and when teams realised this, we nosedived. In the end I don't think BR is concerned with playing pretty football. His version of the game has admirers and haters just like Barca. I'm personally a fan of how Barca and Spain play because I think it's an art to pass the ball around and keep possession. Direct football is more pleasing on the eye of course but it also has its drawbacks. Won't go into it at this point or my post will be looooong.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 15 2013, 12:25 PM)
Not in my case. I am thoroughly honest.

Just because majority thinks like that doesn't mean I do.

If I supported Liverpool FC because they were the most successful team in England, why I did not choose to support Real Madrid instead? I've been more fond of Barcelona for their culture and passion since the Luis Enrique's days and were they winning then? No.

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i think we all have our reasons that got us sticking around. winning cups is not the main motivation since we are not winning many
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The way I see it, your statement is half true. Like Lil red says, if winning were all that matters, why would Liverpool fans still support the club? Winning is important, we all want to win but we also have to embrace the reality that is. We are not a quick fix. So whether or not we are moving in the right direction is the subject of argument. It's obvious that I feel we are and I accept that some don't see it that way.

As much as I'm glad Houllier brought back some silverware, I absolutely hated the way we played. We were me dimensional and when teams realised this, we nosedived. In the end I don't think BR is concerned with playing pretty football. His version of the game has admirers and haters just like Barca. I'm personally a fan of how Barca and Spain play because I think it's an art to pass the ball around and keep possession. Direct football is more pleasing on the eye of course but it also has its drawbacks. Won't go into it at this point or my post will be looooong.
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iirc BR's vision is to get liverpool to win and playing pretty in the process. i think we are still far from achieving that. implementing that playing has to start from the academy and also the type of player we bring in. question is, in such a physical league such as the BPL, can you win anything playing beautiful football? look at arsenal and what did they win? look at manu, whom many said played poor football and they can still win the league...

will barca win the BPL? they'd be bruised by teams like stoke. at least this is what i think biggrin.gif

i know we crave the era of daglish rush fowler etc. but has the league changed so much that its no longer relevant? just some thoughts... hmm.gif
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iirc BR's vision is to get liverpool to win and playing pretty in the process. i think we are still far from achieving that. implementing that playing has to start from the academy and also the type of player we bring in. question is, in such a physical league such as the BPL, can you win anything playing beautiful football? look at arsenal and what did they win? look at manu, whom many said played poor football and they can still win the league...

will barca win the BPL? they'd be bruised by teams like stoke. at least this is what i think biggrin.gif

i know we crave the era of daglish rush fowler etc. but has the league changed so much that its no longer relevant? just some thoughts...  hmm.gif
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I can't say I agree with Rodgers wanting to play pretty football. It's the brand of football he knows and advocates and if it's pleasing on the eye, so be it. I'm sure some would disagree that our passing game is pretty and would rather we play direct attacking football, or free flowing counter attacking football like Arsenal.

Why do I say he isn't playing this brand of football just to please the eye? Well for one he is a professional football manager and he needs to impress at his job. The most obvious reason however I believe is because he goes to great lengths to explain why he likes this brand of football? He tells us why he likes to move the ball around, and how he likes to build from the back.

I don't really get where you're coming from when you say "beautiful football". All I know is English teams have now adopted a more continental approach to the game and the influx of foreign managers has contributed to this. I mean how many Premiership teams still play the old brand of English football? You refer to Stoke so I'm assuming you mean direct, route 1 football? If so, none of the top sides do. I think that by segregating a style of play into "beautiful football", and a more robust old English style approach is drastically over simplifying it. Manchester United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are nice to watch most of the time but do they all play the same type of football? They each have a continental approach to the game but they certainly don't play either "beautiful football", or not.

What are you referring to when you say it's no longer relevant?
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now i'm wondering if such a debate occurred during the gath?  icon_question.gif
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In gathering, differences occur as well. I saw Duke and Jonno disagreeing with each other but when you see the real faces and the real expression of emotion, you will know your mate is just trying to point out his argument only and not trying to insult you.

But in a cyber world like forum, you cant tell because there is only the emoticons doing its job but not real expression of emotion.

So probably in real life, Lilred and Everdying may have a wonderful conversation with Prophetjul afterall even though they disagree with each other, you wont know.

But what I am pretty sure is, if I am around, no one will fight. They will just laugh and move on because I will drown them all with whiskey and making it hard for them to hate each other. LOL biggrin.gif
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it's only his 1st season and people already expecting sooo much from BR.

did Fergie success on his 1st management in MU?
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i just wonder what you have against him?
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it's only his 1st season and people already expecting sooo much from BR.

did Fergie success on his 1st management in MU?
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I think if you look another angle, you will see that there are different types of fans in this thread.
Dont get me wrong, I am not trying to categorize anyone because we all love Liverpool or else wont even bother debating tooth and nail.

On one side, there are fans who like positive football and dont mind waiting for success.

On the other side, there are fans who wants results more than positive football, even if it means we gotta win ugly and with a defensive strategy.

On the rare side, there are also fans who wants the team to win impressively. Not just a win, but a pretty win. Hence, all the 3-0 should have been 5 or 6-0 because the chances are not converted well.

At the end of the day, we all love Liverpool as I say. It's not wrong to expect too much or too little from BR. Just depends on what type of person you are. Not everyone is going to be patient after all.

But for me, I dont believe in replacing the manager because it will bring more instability to the club. But if you are going to do constructive criticism to put pressure on the manager to perform better, then it's no harm. But the right channel to do this is via open letter from SOS, i think.

I think it's fair to say, we all can give BR some time but BR also need to look at his performance at the end of the season and improve next season.


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In the end I don't think BR is concerned with playing pretty football. His version of the game has admirers and haters just like Barca. I'm personally a fan of how Barca and Spain play because I think it's an art to pass the ball around and keep possession. Direct football is more pleasing on the eye of course but it also has its drawbacks. Won't go into it at this point or my post will be looooong.
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The art of pass and possession footie was not invented by BR. It was played by the Liverpool of yesteryears.
BR is not bringing something he invented as some seem to believe.

Pass, move and possess was used by Liverpool FC long before BR was walking.........
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Duke is there. LOL. Finally 1 photo of the cameraman.
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i just wonder what you have against him?
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I have nothing against him, what happened in the past is history.

It's his personality.

I can write a long post about why I don't see him managing LFC but I will feel stupid. smile.gif
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I have nothing against him, what happened in the past is history.

It's his personality.

I can write a long post about why I don't see him managing LFC but I will feel stupid. smile.gif
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same like how chelsea fans cant love rafa, some of us reds cant love mourinho? biggrin.gif
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I can't say I agree with Rodgers wanting to play pretty football. It's the brand of football he knows and advocates and if it's pleasing on the eye, so be it. I'm sure some would disagree that our passing game is pretty and would rather we play direct attacking football, or free flowing counter attacking football like Arsenal.

Why do I say he isn't playing this brand of football just to please the eye? Well for one he is a professional football manager and he needs to impress at his job. The most obvious reason however I believe is because he goes to great lengths to explain why he likes this brand of football? He tells us why he likes to move the ball around, and how he likes to build from the back.

I don't really get where you're coming from when you say "beautiful football". All I know is English teams have now adopted a more continental approach to the game and the influx of foreign managers has contributed to this. I mean how many Premiership teams still play the old brand of English football? You refer to Stoke so I'm assuming you mean direct, route 1 football? If so, none of the top sides do. I think that by segregating a style of play into "beautiful football", and a more robust old English style approach is drastically over simplifying it. Manchester United, Manchester City, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are nice to watch most of the time but do they all play the same type of football? They each have a continental approach to the game but they certainly don't play either "beautiful football", or not.

What are you referring to when you say it's no longer relevant?
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Clubs threaten legal action to ensure Uefa's rules take effect

* Transfer dealings made since Manchester City were taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group on 1 September 2008:

Man City Expenditure: £515m; Revenue: £124m; Net profit: -£391m

Chelsea Expenditure: £330m; Revenue: £79m; Net profit: -£251m

Liverpool Expenditure: £241m; Revenue: £203m; Net profit: -£38m

Spurs Expenditure: £201m; Revenue: £186m; Net profit: -£15m

Man Utd Expenditure: £197m; Revenue: £141m; Net profit: -£56m

Arsenal Expenditure: £140m; Revenue: £168m; Net profit: +£28m

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ct-8451600.html

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 02:42 PM)
Change topic. Change topic biggrin.gif

Clubs threaten legal action to ensure Uefa's rules take effect

* Transfer dealings made since Manchester City were taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group on 1 September 2008:

Man City Expenditure: £515m; Revenue: £124m; Net profit: -£391m

Chelsea Expenditure: £330m; Revenue: £79m; Net profit: -£251m

Liverpool Expenditure: £241m; Revenue: £203m; Net profit: -£38m

Spurs Expenditure: £201m; Revenue: £186m; Net profit: -£15m

Man Utd Expenditure: £197m; Revenue: £141m; Net profit: -£56m

Arsenal Expenditure: £140m; Revenue: £168m; Net profit: +£28m

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ct-8451600.html
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though we're in the top spenders list, our loss is not much as compared to the 2 top clubs rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 15 2013, 01:45 PM)
The art of pass and possession footie was not invented by BR. It was played by the Liverpool of yesteryears.
BR is not bringing something he invented as some seem to believe.

Pass, move and possess was used by Liverpool FC long before BR was walking.........
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I didnt say he invented a style of football. Clearly he adopted it from his travels around Europe prior to management. He is clear on how he wants his team to play.

There is are differences between the pass and move we played back in the day, and possession football. Most notably, pass n move is more direct. There were a lot of forward runs made specifically along the flanks and we had accomplished wide men in the likes of Barnes, McManaman and Houghton. I'm only naming names of players I've seen play of course. The possession game that BR likes to play involves more short passing, and dare I say, lateral movement of the ball.

Yes, the players do pass the ball and they do move of course and very few people can lay claim to inventing a style of football in the way that Rinus Michel invented Total Football. These days, there are different variants of a particular style of play much like music where you have so many new genres like Punk Rock, Alternative Rock and so on.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 02:42 PM)
Change topic. Change topic biggrin.gif

Clubs threaten legal action to ensure Uefa's rules take effect

* Transfer dealings made since Manchester City were taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group on 1 September 2008:

Man City Expenditure: £515m; Revenue: £124m; Net profit: -£391m

Chelsea Expenditure: £330m; Revenue: £79m; Net profit: -£251m

Liverpool Expenditure: £241m; Revenue: £203m; Net profit: -£38m

Spurs Expenditure: £201m; Revenue: £186m; Net profit: -£15m

Man Utd Expenditure: £197m; Revenue: £141m; Net profit: -£56m

Arsenal Expenditure: £140m; Revenue: £168m; Net profit: +£28m

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ct-8451600.html
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I have read that clubs like City are trying to find loopholes in the rules. Mr Sheikh can easily set up a dummy company to serve as sponsors for the club, thereby increasing revenue. This helps lessen the pressure on them to reduce their phenomenal wage bill.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 02:42 PM)
Change topic. Change topic biggrin.gif

Clubs threaten legal action to ensure Uefa's rules take effect

* Transfer dealings made since Manchester City were taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group on 1 September 2008:

Man City Expenditure: £515m; Revenue: £124m; Net profit: -£391m

Chelsea Expenditure: £330m; Revenue: £79m; Net profit: -£251m

Liverpool Expenditure: £241m; Revenue: £203m; Net profit: -£38m

Spurs Expenditure: £201m; Revenue: £186m; Net profit: -£15m

Man Utd Expenditure: £197m; Revenue: £141m; Net profit: -£56m

Arsenal Expenditure: £140m; Revenue: £168m; Net profit: +£28m

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ct-8451600.html
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You spend lot more than us apparently eh. With that amount of money livepool fc has spend is it supposedly to improve you lot? City did it and got a title to prove it same as chelsea. What went wrong?
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You spend lot more than us apparently eh. With that amount of money livepool fc has spend is it supposedly to improve you lot? City did it and got a title to prove it same as chelsea. What went wrong?
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It's very simple. Let me ask you a trivia question. If you give Najib and Lee Hsien Loong the same amount of budget let's say $100 billion, who will develop the country more successfully? biggrin.gif

Got money doesn't mean instant success. Comolli was our Najib sad.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 03:19 PM)
It's very simple. Let me ask you a trivia question. If you give Najib and Lee Hsien Loong the same amount of budget let's say $100 billion, who will develop the country more successfully? biggrin.gif

Got money doesn't mean instant success. Comolli was our Najib sad.gif
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it isn't that simple.

Man City has been spending heavily since Sheikh Mansour taken over in 2008. Mark Hughes, Robinho.... remember? Only last season they're finally able to win trophy. How long can Man City continue to pour $$ to maintain such a level? I don't know. But I'm sure that's the business model I would not like to see Liverpool get into.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 15 2013, 03:00 PM)
I have read that clubs like City are trying to find loopholes in the rules. Mr Sheikh can easily set up a dummy company to serve as sponsors for the club, thereby increasing revenue. This helps lessen the pressure on them to reduce their phenomenal wage bill.
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If Platini is serious about his benchmarking practice, then it is still a big stumble block to Sheikh. He said before, if big clubs like Barca is getting only $50mil sponsorship, that is the benchmark point. Man City cannot go over that value even if they get $200mil sponsorshop and what's more, FFP benchmark will probably recognise that Man City only gain $30mil from that deal. So they cant do it that way.

But if you want to find loophole, there is a big one. Sponsorship of let's say stadium, shirt have benchmarking but then, you can increase the numbers of sponsor options. biggrin.gif

Here are the possibilities:

1) Etihad entrance gate will be named as Malaysian Airlines Gate (20Mil)
2) Etihad exit gate will be named as Qatar Airways Gate (20Mil)
3) Eithad east side washroom will be The Dillon Yong Wash and Clean Rest Room (10Mil) tongue.gif
4) Eithad west side washroom will be The Duke Red Wash and Clean Rest Room (10Mil)
5) Finally, Etihad carpark will be The Lowyat Forum Car Park (2mil)

Hahaha. I'm not joking. It is possible to increase the sponsoring options to so many different things. Sheikh dont have to form 1 dummy company. He can form 10! 20! And screw the FFP big time.

Just because Barca dont have toilet sponsor, doesnt mean Etihad cannot have. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Jan 15 2013, 04:28 PM)
it isn't that simple.

Man City has been spending heavily since Sheikh Mansour taken over in 2008. Mark Hughes, Robinho.... remember? Only last season they're finally able to win trophy. How long can Man City continue to pour $$ to maintain such a level? I don't know. But I'm sure that's the business model I would not like to see Liverpool get into.
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City using the same method as Chelsea..invest heavily for one two season and stop..focus more on the root of the club..for examples Chelsea training centre..Cobham new development complex that upgrade the academy..with aim to produce good young players..and we produced that..too bad we still cant push them to the 1st team because of the pressure to push for tittle..the of cuz the downside of the shortcut.. laugh.gif the first few seasons when the heavy investment period..you will see them/us..struggling..just like Chelsea under 'Tinkerman'...the last big spending was..Renieri/Mourinho...and now AVB/RDM..with exception of two signing Sheva and Torres..now Chelsea and Roman looking for a new stadium with bigger capacity or extension of the Bridge.. Capacity + Tittles + Academy = Self Sustain..we still far from it..but that the direction of the board..we still unfinished and under progress..just like Liverpool new side under BR.. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Jan 15 2013, 03:28 PM)
it isn't that simple.

Man City has been spending heavily since Sheikh Mansour taken over in 2008. Mark Hughes, Robinho.... remember? Only last season they're finally able to win trophy. How long can Man City continue to pour $$ to maintain such a level? I don't know. But I'm sure that's the business model I would not like to see Liverpool get into.
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I know. My point is, the right people in place and the right opportunity setting in. Man City for example didnt get players like Kaka, Ronaldo, Torres and many more in their first 2 years of cash rich administration.

They took some players in, transform them to at least top 4 first in order to attract more quality players. And that require time. After that, they went on to secure Silva, Aguero, Balotelli, Dzeko, Yaya Toure and even Nasri to help them to wrestle the title from Man Utd but even then, their foundation is still shaky due to players disunity and out of field rift and tension with the manager.

It's not easy. It's not just money will buy instant success. Chelsea dont have such luxury of winning continuously these days as well even though they have money after Maureen left.

So, even if you have money, you must have the right person and the right opportunity or else, it's all for nothing.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 15 2013, 03:29 PM)
If Platini is serious about his benchmarking practice, then it is still a big stumble block to Sheikh. He said before, if big clubs like Barca is getting only $50mil sponsorship, that is the benchmark point. Man City cannot go over that value even if they get $200mil sponsorshop and what's more, FFP benchmark will probably recognise that Man City only gain $30mil from that deal. So they cant do it that way.

But if you want to find loophole, there is a big one. Sponsorship of let's say stadium, shirt have benchmarking but then, you can increase the numbers of sponsor options. biggrin.gif

Here are the possibilities:

1) Etihad entrance gate will be named as Malaysian Airlines Gate (20Mil)
2) Etihad exit gate will be named as Qatar Airways Gate (20Mil)
3) Eithad east side washroom will be The Dillon Yong Wash and Clean Rest Room (10Mil) tongue.gif
4) Eithad west side washroom will be The Duke Red Wash and Clean Rest Room (10Mil)
5) Finally, Etihad carpark will be The Lowyat Forum Car Park (2mil)

Hahaha. I'm not joking. It is possible to increase the sponsoring options to so many different things. Sheikh dont have to form 1 dummy company. He can form 10! 20! And screw the FFP big time.

Just because Barca dont have toilet sponsor, doesnt mean Etihad cannot have. tongue.gif
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Good point. I forgot to note that.

Just to clarify, the number are reflective on revenue and expenditure on players alone yes?

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Good point. I forgot to note that.

Just to clarify, the number are reflective on revenue and expenditure on players alone yes?
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I dont know. The FFP was meant for reducing the number of clubs going into red which according to UEFA, a trend of more than 50% of the clubs are currently doing.

So i think all expenses should be the main focus and not just players?

Not sure though. No matter what, a level playing field must be found. If not, we wont see Nottingham Forest and Leeds ever coming up again.

Plus, big money and as time goes, Man City and Chelsea will be the big 2 competing for titles while the rest watch on.
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Big money....Apart from Man Utd who is also spending big, I'm seeing more anti competition in the league.

I mean, it was the big four back then, now? Liverpool FC are no longer among the top, Arsenal falling behind and some would argue that Tottenham Hotspurs are there but look at the gap between the Spurs and the big three, Chelsea, United and City.

sad.gif no wonder I give up on winning
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Big money....Apart from Man Utd who is also spending big, I'm seeing more anti competition in the league.

I mean, it was the big four back then, now? Liverpool FC are no longer among the top, Arsenal falling behind and some would argue that Tottenham Hotspurs are there but look at the gap between the Spurs and the big three, Chelsea, United and City.

sad.gif no wonder I give up on winning
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Yup, that is why a very strong FFP has to be in place to encourage healthy competition.
Money competition is not going to benefit any team at all. there is always a catch.
We've seen it all. For example, we lost Barry and Sigurdsson due to financial reasons.

MU can table a bid for let's say, Sneijder. Next day, Man City table more. It's not because Man City wants Sneijder that badly. It's just because they dont want MU to have Sneijder.

Then we table a bid for Tom Ince. Spurs came in a challenge and give Tommy a bigger contract. It's not like they need him as well. They just dont want us to have him.

That is competitive killer and football will become dull. Rich teams are so dominant, they can actually buy the title. It would be best for SHeikh and Roman to buy 16 of the premier league teams and decide who they want to win every year. I guess that would be easier tongue.gif

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same like how chelsea fans cant love rafa, some of us reds cant love mourinho? biggrin.gif
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No, what happened, happened.

What I can't see is, Mourinho's attitude and LFC.

This is the type of attitude I prefer us to have.

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-new...n-lfc-signed-me

Which is also the reason why RB will always have a special place in our hearts
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But I like Maureen. I think he's funny and sarcastic. Just like me. tongue.gif
And I like his mind games more than SAF, not because I hate SAF but because his one is more dramatic biggrin.gif

His mind games really can cause your blood to boil. One example, calling Wenger a Voyeur. Brilliant! thumbup.gif

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But I like Maureen. I think he's funny and sarcastic. Just like me. tongue.gif
And I like his mind games more than SAF, not because I hate SAF but because his one is more dramatic biggrin.gif

His mind games really can cause your blood to boil. One example, calling Wenger a Voyeur. Brilliant!  thumbup.gif
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I Lolled hard when reading the voyeur comment on the back pages of newspapers.
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lol at chelsea's revenue
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I love Mau. He's a character you want to hate but you just can't.
I Lolled hard when reading the voyeur comment on the back pages of newspapers.
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Yup. That was classic. Then he accused William Gallas of possibly scoring an own goal to ease his way to Arsenal. LOL thumbup.gif
He said Rafa won with a "ghost goal" with liverpool or else Chelsea might have taken the champions league in 2005.
And Steven Gerrard will regret when he opens up his cupboard and see that he doesnt have that many trophies in his collection.

LOL. That guy is world class. Totally world class. Management + style + controversy + mind games. He's like Suarez in a Manager's uniform. Love him biggrin.gif
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Change topic. Change topic biggrin.gif

Clubs threaten legal action to ensure Uefa's rules take effect

* Transfer dealings made since Manchester City were taken over by the Abu Dhabi United Group on 1 September 2008:

Man City Expenditure: £515m; Revenue: £124m; Net profit: -£391m

Chelsea Expenditure: £330m; Revenue: £79m; Net profit: -£251m

Liverpool Expenditure: £241m; Revenue: £203m; Net profit: -£38m

Spurs Expenditure: £201m; Revenue: £186m; Net profit: -£15m

Man Utd Expenditure: £197m; Revenue: £141m; Net profit: -£56m

Arsenal Expenditure: £140m; Revenue: £168m; Net profit: +£28m

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ct-8451600.html
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Revenue here means money received for selling players only right? If so, I am quite surprised with Liverpool's. That many player sold?
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Revenue here means money received for selling players only right? If so, I am quite surprised with Liverpool's. That many player sold?
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No, dude. Everything. Liverpool got the sponsorship deals, shirt deals and bla bla bla. All taken into account. So our revenue is pretty good actually. But our spending is too much. However, after this season, we could probably see a positive fiscal year instead of being in the red, seeing that our spending have been massively reduced.

So yeah, FSG is doing a good job in financial sense. BUT they need to stop sacking staff. Sacking + compensation also play a major part in our costs.
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Don't contract durations also factor into such calculations?
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Those were transfer dealings since 2008 as indicated in the article.
United revenues were more than 270m pounds for 2009 & 2010

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inb4 some one brings up carroll and how if we didnt buy him we would be making a profit now...
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This is strange. If it's just transfer dealings, we made that much money out of Fernando Torres and Xabi Alonso's sale? We also bought extravagantly and wasted alot of money though. Weird.

Hence the chart by no means represent the financial status of the club. Just transfer profit and lost.

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The figures are close enough.

Liverpool Transfers
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Hmm...MU's spending is not lesser but just more astute in the last few years in comparison to ours.

That's why it's not always about the money. It's also about the right people and the right opportunity. Combine those factors, we will be pissing off less money.

Or test and try like Chelsea and Man City and piss off millions in the process and buy again and test and try, but they can afford it.

Thank God, Sahin's dealing was just loan or else another wasteful investment.
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We are also seeing a trend of Arsene Wenger making wrong signings on less effective players or players that couldnt produce the same impact as their predecessors which ultimately cause the Gunners to have a big gap with MU and MC.

So he's not that flawless afterall.
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No, dude. Everything. Liverpool got the sponsorship deals, shirt deals and bla bla bla. All taken into account. So our revenue is pretty good actually. But our spending is too much. However, after this season, we could probably see a positive fiscal year instead of being in the red, seeing that our spending have been massively reduced.

So yeah, FSG is doing a good job in financial sense. BUT they need to stop sacking staff. Sacking + compensation also play a major part in our costs.
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It states that the numbers only take into account transfer dealings. There is no way our revenue will trump the mancs this soon. We did make a healthy profit from the sales of players like Torres, Alonso and Mascherano.

It's normal for any new owner to clean house and bring in his own people. Compensation paid is one off so I won't worry too much about it. I'm more concerned with our revenue stream and like you say, they have been doing a good job in this department. The main revenue streams are gate collections, tv revenue and sponsorship deals. FSG have done well with Std Chartered and Warrior in particular. Plans for a stadium expansion are underway to address the gates. Tom Werner spoke about how he would like for clubs to negotiate their own tv deals, though I don't see this happening. They are putting in good work.

Trimming the wage bill was also significant as it is amongst the biggest expense at any club.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 15 2013, 08:30 PM)
It states that the numbers only take into account transfer dealings. There is no way our revenue will trump the mancs this soon. We did make a healthy profit from the sales of players like Torres, Alonso and Mascherano.

It's normal for any new owner to clean house and bring in his own people. Compensation paid is one off so I won't worry too much about it. I'm more concerned with our revenue stream and like you say, they have been doing a good job in this department. The main revenue streams are gate collections, tv revenue and sponsorship deals. FSG have done well with Std Chartered and Warrior in particular. Plans for a stadium expansion are underway to address the gates. Tom Werner spoke about how he would like for clubs to negotiate their own tv deals, though I don't see this happening. They are putting in good work.

Trimming the wage bill was also significant as it is amongst the biggest expense at any club.
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Then it's not as bad as I thought. The transfer profit and loss for the past few years plus and minus, we only spent $38 mil although some of those buys are horrendous mistakes.

With the good work of FSG in business side, it looks like we are there or almost there in compliance with FFP regulation. Phewww...

Not too bad. Not too bad at all. At least we wont risk getting penalized.

The TV dealings will not go down well with the Premier League. They should however continue making reality TV shows to get more financial gain though. Maybe getting fans to SMS and vote too just like American idol biggrin.gif
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A little off topic.

Joey Barton and Dietmar Hamann trade nasty insults in hilarious Twitter spat

Joey Barton is really something. Its hilarious to see footballers fight on twitter. doh.gif Didi was trying his best but Barton was just an immature twat.

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A little off topic.

Joey Barton and Dietmar Hamann trade nasty insults in hilarious Twitter spat

Joey Barton is really something. Its hilarious to see footballers fight on twitter. doh.gif Didi was trying his best but Barton was just an immature twat.
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This is better than Russell Peter's jokes. biggrin.gif
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when to think of it, cant believe we bought Allen for 15m while tottenham get the likes of Holtby for free.
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Asked whether if being a foreigner has made things harder for him in England, he said that "honestly, it's complicated. Like Carlitos (Tevez) and Kun (Aguero) said, the foreigners and especially the South Americans are treated differently from the 'local' players... but it's about the culture, the different ways of living. What we have to do is play football, do what we know, what we always dreamed of doing, for which we fought hard and suffered too much to pay attention to some of the silly things that are being said."

About diving and cheating: "you have to live and feel those situations. Sometimes inside the pitch you react in a way that you later think 'what the hell have I done?'. For example in the game against Stoke, in all honesty, I dived because we were 0-0 at home and I wanted to win something. But from that to the point of coming out like the managers and Stoke and Everton did..."

"Today I realize that Suarez 'sells', because the other day when a ball accidentally hit my hand, I didn't even want to score the goal, I just hit the ball for hitting it... and then, because I kissed my wrist and for this and that, people jumped to criticize. We will see. If Suarez 'sells', they will come out and say that Suarez said something to the ear of Coates in front of Gerrard in the dressing room... I don't know, they'll just invent things. Everyone should stick to their own things, that is to speak about football and not about the players' attitudes".

About Evra: he suggests that he thought the other player spoke spanish - but he didn't - because he had said something about Suarez being South American. In spite of it, he says he wouldn't go out crying about it because those are things that happen in football, on the pitch, and stay there. "Everyone has their own way of relating to people, my conscience is more than clear. And like I said, Manchester United controls the press, has a lot of power and they will always help them".

He then repeated some things we have heard him say before: that if he payed attention to all that is being said, he wouldn't be where he is and wouldn't be able to play football. He doesn't forget that he has a family, a daughter, that during the whole incident was his only happiness. Some people were very important to him at the time, and realized who really cared about him and who were with him by interest. His wife was the most important person, and he mentioned Coates and his girlfriend, who stayed with her everyday when he had to travel from 7am to 10pm for the trial. The people in the club also helped him incredibly.


About the future: "I know I can help the team, I feel an important player like people are saying, but I think that if everybody moves in the same direction we can do things right. I think that it doesn't depend on what a single player can do, but what the whole team can do. I also have the believe that with young players you can win games, but with experienced men you can win tournaments".

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 07:29 AM)
At least he admitted to having dived instead of living in denial. The good thing is he doesn't seem to be doing it anymore of late. He has shown that it is hard to win the ball of him when he stays on his feet like when Cuellar tried to block him off.

In terms of experienced players, I've always thought a good mix was the best thing. Alan Hansen was infamously proclaimed that you can't win a title with kids but the mancs did. The so called "kids" happened to be the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Nicky Butt, Phil and Gary Neville. He failed to note however that the team also hand experienced hands in Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Parker, Brian McClair, Dennis Irwin, David May and one, Eric Cantona. It was a mixture of youth and experience and it was a transition over 2 seasons.

In our current squad, the likes of Gerrard, Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Carragher and Johnson have plenty of experience with them at the highest level. Experience is something that can be gained provided we are willing to be patient which doesn't appear to be the case these days. We have plenty of young lads with bright futures ahead of them and by the time the senior players retire, they would have come of age and have had plenty of experience under their belts. Sterling, Suso and Wisdom are still only in their teens and are already first team players. Shelvey, Henderson, and Allen are in their early 20's whilst Enrique, Suarez and Sturridge are no older than 26.

Buying kids has its detractors. However the way I see it, FSG will invest in a couple of established players when we start to turnover a profit.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 09:04 AM)
At least he admitted to having dived instead of living in denial. The good thing is he doesn't seem to be doing it anymore of late. He has shown that it is hard to win the ball of him when he stays on his feet like when Cuellar tried to block him off.

In terms of experienced players, I've always thought a good mix was the best thing. Alan Hansen was infamously proclaimed that you can't win a title with kids but the mancs did. The so called "kids" happened to be the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Nicky Butt, Phil and Gary Neville. He failed to note however that the team also hand experienced hands in Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Parker, Brian McClair, Dennis Irwin, David May and one, Eric Cantona. It was a mixture of youth and experience and it was a transition over 2 seasons.

In our current squad, the likes of Gerrard, Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Carragher and Johnson have plenty of experience with them at the highest level. Experience is something that can be gained provided we are willing to be patient which doesn't appear to be the case these days. We have plenty of young lads with bright futures ahead of them and by the time the senior players retire, they would have come of age and have had plenty of experience under their belts. Sterling, Suso and Wisdom are still only in their teens and are already first team players. Shelvey, Henderson, and Allen are in their early 20's whilst Enrique, Suarez and Sturridge are no older than 26.

Buying kids has its detractors. However the way I see it, FSG will invest in a couple of established players when we start to turnover a profit.
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i really think its all cultural...........the footie culture is very different in anglo saxon countries compared with the Latinos.
As Neville said correctly IMO, that the cheats are dope and corrupted takers, not the idiosyncrasies which occur on the field of
play when you do everything to WIN, inluding grabbing, chopping down, handling, diving, etc.

i agree with Hansen. biggrin.gif
You cant win a title with kids. But you can certainly start to build a future wining team with kids.
Its reaally a time related thing. BUT the key is still the old heads, is it not?
BUT in those transistion dont forget, MancsU bought heavily as well for class players to fill the gaps.
And MancsU was already winning tiltles before those younsters came in.....
So all in all, you need to have those experienced class players like Luis and Stevie.
We have so few of those at the moment, i think we are lacking in terms of experience balance. Too many young ones.
This is evidenced by having to play a 17 year old week in week out in Sterling.

Having THREE teens in any game adds to that evidence!

Its a matter of balance bearing in mind, these teens may still turn out to be failures.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 09:04 AM)
In terms of experienced players, I've always thought a good mix was the best thing. Alan Hansen was infamously proclaimed that you can't win a title with kids but the mancs did. The so called "kids" happened to be the likes of Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Nicky Butt, Phil and Gary Neville. He failed to note however that the team also hand experienced hands in Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Paul Parker, Brian McClair, Dennis Irwin, David May and one, Eric Cantona. It was a mixture of youth and experience and it was a transition over 2 seasons.
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That's the way to go. One only needs to look at the mess that QPR (bunch of veterans thrown together) and Aston Villa (bunch of kids thrown together) are in.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 15 2013, 08:30 PM)
It states that the numbers only take into account transfer dealings. There is no way our revenue will trump the mancs this soon. We did make a healthy profit from the sales of players like Torres, Alonso and Mascherano.

It's normal for any new owner to clean house and bring in his own people. Compensation paid is one off so I won't worry too much about it. I'm more concerned with our revenue stream and like you say, they have been doing a good job in this department. The main revenue streams are gate collections, tv revenue and sponsorship deals. FSG have done well with Std Chartered and Warrior in particular. Plans for a stadium expansion are underway to address the gates. Tom Werner spoke about how he would like for clubs to negotiate their own tv deals, though I don't see this happening. They are putting in good work.

Trimming the wage bill was also significant as it is amongst the biggest expense at any club.
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For Masch we didn't make any profit at all, but seeing how he forced thru the transfer, no wonder we din make any profit, Owen MkII???. But Torres & Alonso alone bring in abt 50mil profit

QUOTE(anip94 @ Jan 15 2013, 11:57 PM)
when to think of it, cant believe we bought Allen for 15m while tottenham get the likes of Holtby for free.
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No sane quality footballers with expiring contract will go to midtable teams rather than teams challenging for CL spot.
With signing on fees & fat contract that comes with free transfer, maybe the amount spurs committed is quite a bit as well.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 09:22 AM)
i really think its all cultural...........the footie culture is very different in anglo saxon countries compared with the Latinos.
As Neville said correctly IMO, that the cheats are dope and corrupted takers, not the idiosyncrasies which occur on the field of
play when you do everything to WIN, inluding grabbing, chopping down, handling, diving, etc.


Simulation is accepted as part of the game in many places outside of England. The English have always took pride in their lionheart spirit but since teams decided to adopt a more continental approach to the game, we now see it happen all the time. Gone are the times you'd get someone like Gary Lineker who'd stay on his feet at all cost. I'm not comfortable accepting it as part of the game but change is change.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 09:22 AM)
i agree with Hansen.  biggrin.gif
You cant win a title with kids. But you can certainly start to build a future wining team with kids.
Its reaally a time related thing. BUT the key is still the old heads, is it not? 
BUT in those transistion dont forget, MancsU bought heavily as well for class players to fill the gaps.
And MancsU was already winning tiltles before those younsters came in.....
So all in all, you need to have those experienced class players like Luis and Stevie.
We have so few of those at the moment, i think we are lacking in terms of experience balance. Too many young ones.
This is evidenced by having to play a 17 year old week in week out in Sterling.

Having THREE teens in any game adds to that evidence!

Its a matter of balance bearing in mind, these teens may still turn out to be failures.
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This is true. Raheem Sterling could very well turn out to be the next Shaun Wright Phillips. It is always going to be a gamble with young lads but there's no better way to gauge them than by throwing them into the deep end. The hope is that we will spend on established players during the next transfer window. We've been linked with Victor Valdez since Arsenal are rumoured to be interested in Reina again. Anyway, this will be a like for like swap as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope we turn over a profit by the end of the season.

QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 16 2013, 09:28 AM)
That's the way to go. One only needs to look at the mess that QPR (bunch of veterans thrown together) and Aston Villa (bunch of kids thrown together) are in.
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Good examples indeed. Aston Villa has an average age of what? 23? QPR's problem is having a team of overpaid individuals, something Harry Redknapp bemoaned. Big job on his hands trying to save them from the drop.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 09:53 AM)
Simulation is accepted as part of the game in many places outside of England. The English have always took pride in their lionheart spirit but since teams decided to adopt a more continental approach to the game, we now see it happen all the time. Gone are the times you'd get someone like Gary Lineker who'd stay on his feet at all cost. I'm not comfortable accepting it as part of the game but change is change. 


i remembered when Pele was kicked literally out of a world cup! biggrin.gif


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This is true. Raheem Sterling could very well turn out to be the next Shaun Wright Phillips. It is always going to be a gamble with young lads but there's no better way to gauge them than by throwing them into the deep end. The hope is that we will spend on established players during the next transfer window. We've been linked with Victor Valdez since Arsenal are rumoured to be interested in Reina again. Anyway, this will be a like for like swap as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope we turn over a profit by the end of the season.
Good examples indeed. Aston Villa has an average age of what? 23? QPR's problem is having a team of overpaid individuals, something Harry Redknapp bemoaned. Big job on his hands trying to save them from the drop.
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Thats the key. A good mix of class experience is essential for the next step up. The summer window will shew what FSG wants........a youth production club OR the LIverpool FC with real ambitions.
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We lost. Sigh.

Became an uncle on Sunday night, and with all the things going on, missed both the gathering and the game.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 09:53 AM)
Good examples indeed. Aston Villa has an average age of what? 23? QPR's problem is having a team of overpaid individuals, something Harry Redknapp bemoaned. Big job on his hands trying to save them from the drop.
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There's also the example of Arsenal, where after their older players left they scrambled around (unsuccessfully, some bitter Arsenal fans would say) looking for players to fill the leadership role.
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There's also the example of Arsenal, where after their older players left they scrambled around (unsuccessfully, some bitter Arsenal fans would say) looking for players to fill the leadership role.
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Rightly so as well. We can see the trend as shown in the chart of Arsenal's spending in replacing the players that has left.
It seems to be going downwards spiral even though financially, they are always going upwards.

It just hasn't happened for Arsene lately. He's no longer the greatest scout of unknown talent. And the players presently still havent fill in for Nasri, Fabregas and RVP. Probably they will take a little time to do so, but by then, another bunch of players will want to leave. Talent retention will be a continuous problem for Arsenal hence disrupting their progress.

And I hope we dont indulge ourselves into this situation just because it is good business. It ain't pretty at all. Afterall, football is about performance and result on the pitch. Business is for sustainability. If there is too much focus on business, then we lose the originality of football which is entertainment.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 10:09 AM)
i remembered when Pele was kicked literally out of a world cup!  biggrin.gif
Maradona got his fair share of bruises as well. That was a time when football was truly a man's game. Anyway, that's another conversation altogether. Read an article yesterday on how the art of tackling has died since defenders are now on a tight leash.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 10:09 AM)
Thats the key. A good mix of class experience is essential for the next step up. The summer window will shew what FSG wants........a youth production club OR the LIverpool FC with real ambitions.
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Thought it was a mistake at first but now I'm genuinely curious. How come you use "shew" instead of "show" all the time?

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Thought it was a mistake at first but now I'm genuinely curious. How come you use "shew" instead of "show" all the time?
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Olde english.......... biggrin.gif i am olde.........

shew [ƒÉ™Š]
vb shews, shewing, shewed ; shewn [ƒÉ™Šn], shewed
an archaic spelling of show

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shew


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 11:14 AM)
Olde english..........  biggrin.gif  i am olde......... 

shew [�ə�]
vb shews, shewing, shewed ; shewn [�ə�n], shewed
an archaic spelling of show

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shew
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The Prophetjul must be really shrewd in knowing how to use words like Shew. notworthy.gif
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Wow. Impressive. biggrin.gif
The Prophetjul must be really shrewd in knowing how to use words like Shew.  notworthy.gif
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Shew OFF! biggrin.gif

Did some shakespearean literature in UK many many moons ago............ tongue.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 11:14 AM)
Olde english..........  biggrin.gif  i am olde......... 

shew [�ə�]
vb shews, shewing, shewed ; shewn [�ə�n], shewed
an archaic spelling of show

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shew
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 11:37 AM)
Shew OFF!  biggrin.gif

Did some shakespearean literature in UK many many moons ago............      tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 11:39 AM)
Next you're going to tell me you took English lit in Uni?  smile.gif
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Guys,
Victor Valdes and Ben Arfa? What the fachma?

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/barce...link_64212.html

http://www.themag.co.uk/tyne-talk/what-ben...enal-liverpool/?

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Next you're going to tell me you took English lit in Uni?  smile.gif
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Noler........only in O levels.......i hated literature!
Shakespeare is compulsory........George Bernard Shaw, etc

i am an engineer............science biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 11:54 AM)
Noler........only in O levels.......i hated literature! 
Shakespeare is compulsory........George Bernard Shaw, etc

i am an engineer............science    biggrin.gif
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"Who could refrain that had a heart to love and in that heart courage to make love known?" - Shakespeare

LMAO! I cannot imagine if I have to study this everyday. What's the use? Woo the girls? biggrin.gif

All it requires now is a big bright smile, a witty joke to share a laughter, an iPhone to take down her number and a cinema to grab the opportunity to hold her hand and then all the other stuff will flow in.

Literature eh? tongue.gif
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Can't wait.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/books/fe...ankly-1-2738824?
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"Who could refrain that had a heart to love and in that heart courage to make love known?" - Shakespeare

LMAO! I cannot imagine if I have to study this everyday. What's the use? Woo the girls? biggrin.gif

All it requires now is a big bright smile, a witty joke to share a laughter, an iPhone to take down her number and a cinema to grab the opportunity to hold her hand and then all the other stuff will flow in.

Literature eh? tongue.gif
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"Out, damned spot! out, I say!" - ( MacBeth- Quote Act V, Scene I). biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 16 2013, 01:38 PM)
Nice. I'm gonna buy this book. I always love history.
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i agree with Hansen.  biggrin.gif
You cant win a title with kids. But you can certainly start to build a future wining team with kids.
Its reaally a time related thing. BUT the key is still the old heads, is it not? 
BUT in those transistion dont forget, MancsU bought heavily as well for class players to fill the gaps.
And MancsU was already winning tiltles before those younsters came in.....
So all in all, you need to have those experienced class players like Luis and Stevie.
We have so few of those at the moment, i think we are lacking in terms of experience balance. Too many young ones.
This is evidenced by having to play a 17 year old week in week out in Sterling.

Having THREE teens in any game adds to that evidence!

Its a matter of balance bearing in mind, these teens may still turn out to be failures.
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They haven't won the title for 26 years (a record I hope we never beat) before that 1992 title win. The bunch of "kids" grew up together, totally murdered everyone in the FA Youth Cup a few years before that and was promoted together. Thus, knowing each other well, in terms of playing style coupled with the guidance of the old heads in the players everyone mentioned, but a few that wasn't mentioned was a certain Bryan Robson and Mark hughes. Very similar to our position now, you have a club captain, an absolute legend that could and would guide the kids well and mould them into good players.

The difference between then and now is of course the money, Cantona was then the highest pay player in the English League with £4K a week, compare that to Raheem, who's on £30K a week, despite being an 18 year old. MOney will add distraction to the player and with them being young, it will always be bad as they will have unnecessary distractions, no matter how much the older heads try to coach or mould them, it's bound to be hard when you have scores of women trying to spread their legs for you everywhere you go.

I'm not blaming the money, but the fact that the game has changed so much, in terms of coverage, money, method etc etc, it will not be easy for a team to grow players, especially young ones. Because of the pressure on the managers and the coverage and website write ins, radio call ins in the UK and even out of UK.

These boys needs to be managed properly or they might just turn out to be flash in the pan and then stagnate there. A good example would be SWP or to a lesser extend Theo Walcott. I just hope that Rodgers is taking it easy with them and grow them into better players rather than overload them and kill their career off like that.
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2013, 04:13 PM)
when you have scores of women trying to spread their legs for you everywhere you go.

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Wow. Ian Rush only at 2nd spot while God and Mickey share 4th spot.

Who's scored the most LFC hat-tricks?
http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/have-you-s...-lfc-hat-tricks

Number 1 belongs to Gordon Hodgson. Is he the father of Roy Hodgson? tongue.gif
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and this fella is somehow seems lost? or is it we missed something?

http://www.boxofficefootball.com/liverpool...sign-balotelli/
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and this fella is somehow seems lost? or is it we missed something?

http://www.boxofficefootball.com/liverpool...sign-balotelli/
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Moody, didnt see you at the gathering bro?

Anyway, this is a very cheeky article. You guys, check this out. LOL biggrin.gif

Liverpool owners berated for only caring about 'sex symbols' and 'good-looking stars' amid reports they know nothing of sport

Former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona has revealed that the pair were more concerned with having 'good-looking stars' and producing players who are 'sex symbols' than caring how the team actually did. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz2I99sfFqy

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Moody, didnt see you at the gathering bro?

Anyway, this is a very cheeky article. You guys, check this out. LOL biggrin.gif

Liverpool owners berated for only caring about 'sex symbols' and 'good-looking stars' amid reports they know nothing of sport

Former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona has revealed that the pair were more concerned with having 'good-looking stars' and producing players who are 'sex symbols' than caring how the team actually did.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz2I99sfFqy
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 16 2013, 04:13 PM)
They haven't won the title for 26 years (a record I hope we never beat) before that 1992 title win. The bunch of "kids" grew up together, totally murdered everyone in the FA Youth Cup a few years before that and was promoted together. Thus, knowing each other well, in terms of playing style coupled with the guidance of the old heads in the players everyone mentioned, but a few that wasn't mentioned was a certain Bryan Robson and Mark hughes. Very similar to our position now, you have a club captain, an absolute legend that could and would guide the kids well and mould them into good players.

The difference between then and now is of course the money, Cantona was then the highest pay player in the English League with £4K a week, compare that to Raheem, who's on £30K a week, despite being an 18 year old. MOney will add distraction to the player and with them being young, it will always be bad as they will have unnecessary distractions, no matter how much the older heads try to coach or mould them, it's bound to be hard when you have scores of women trying to spread their legs for you everywhere you go.

I'm not blaming the money, but the fact that the game has changed so much, in terms of coverage, money, method etc etc, it will not be easy for a team to grow players, especially young ones. Because of the pressure on the managers and the coverage and website write ins, radio call ins in the UK and even out of UK.

These boys needs to be managed properly or they might just turn out to be flash in the pan and then stagnate there. A good example would be SWP or to a lesser extend Theo Walcott. I just hope that Rodgers is taking it easy with them and grow them into better players rather than overload them and kill their career off like that.
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Could not agree more with that.......kids today have so so many distractions...none more so
than the hitzy glitzy of the footballer. Money, women, fame, etc.

Thats the reason i mentioned that we need class/quality footballers to come in to mix it up. Presently we have
very few of those. We are buying 20 yr olds in the HOPE that they make good. They may or may not.

We cannot be playing with a 18 yr old week in week out.
Having 3 teenagers on the field at a time does not help.

Buying of Sturridge is good. He is no longer a 'hopeful'.i believe he is a better buy than Borini at that similar price.
He has more nous/swagger about him. We will see.

The summer transfer will be critical to move up in quality. We have good players in plenty, but very very few
match winners.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 16 2013, 09:58 PM)
Moody, didnt see you at the gathering bro?

Anyway, this is a very cheeky article. You guys, check this out. LOL biggrin.gif

Liverpool owners berated for only caring about 'sex symbols' and 'good-looking stars' amid reports they know nothing of sport

Former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona has revealed that the pair were more concerned with having 'good-looking stars' and producing players who are 'sex symbols' than caring how the team actually did.  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz2I99sfFqy
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I think the article is exaggerated but it isn't completely off the mark. Americans are marketing geniuses and if you're looking to gain a bigger following, heck, sex does sell, especially to he masses. I'm pretty sure Tom Werner doesn't know too much about football, or at least he didn't but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. A football man like David Moores may not have had the business sense to turn us into a profitable club, preferring instead to keep us within the 'family'. In this sense it's probably wise to keep the football and business separate. Let everyone do what they are best at doing.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 17 2013, 07:37 AM)
Could not agree more with that.......kids today have so so many distractions...none more so
than the hitzy glitzy of the footballer. Money, women, fame, etc.
Indeed. This is why I would like Jamie Carragher to continue to be associated with the club in a coaching capacity after he retires from playing. You don't get many players who are as disciplined as he is. I'm dead certain he has a bevvy every now and then but you'd never catch Carra at a club, surrounded by women and drenched in champagne. He is to me the consummate professional and the ultimate role model for any aspiring player. He does his business on the pitch and he goes back to his family, much like Paul Scholes. Another bloke I'd like to see back because I feel he is in the same mould is Sami Hyypia. It's a stretch for him to be manager now of course. It is also why I'd welcome King Kenny back in an ambassador role. True professionals who would bleed for the team and excellent role models for the younger lads.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 09:36 AM)
I think the article is exaggerated but it isn't completely off the mark. Americans are marketing geniuses and if you're looking to gain a bigger following, heck, sex does sell, especially to he masses. I'm pretty sure Tom Werner doesn't know too much about football, or at least he didn't but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. A football man like David Moores may not have had the business sense to turn us into a profitable club, preferring instead to keep us within the 'family'. In this sense it's probably wise to keep the football and business separate. Let everyone do what they are best at doing.
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Completely exaggerated bro. They always try to sensationalize issues anyway. However, it does make sense to have good looking players joining us only for the reason of shirt sales. biggrin.gif

To put it in simple term, apart from guys, many girls bought Beckham and Ronaldo's in the past. We gotta have this marketing opportunity. So it's not wrong at all.

As for footballing matters, they are leaving it all to BR and Ian Ayre. So it's fine with me.
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Hmm the rumours just won't go away.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/424731/2...galatasaray.htm?

So realistically, how likely is it that we'll signed Sneijder? I still believe the media is concocting stories to sell papers. I mean which would sell more? A headline linking him to Galatasaray, or one linking him to a Premiership side?

For one, we are very familiar with our transfer policy. The club "prefers" to sign players under the age of 24. This doesn't mean that we won't go over if a quality player came along. Is Sneijder that quality player? He may be but then we have the issue of his wages. How much of a paycut will he be willing to take, if at all. From what I can tell, Stevie G is our highest paid player and is earning around the region of $100-120,000 a week. Sneijder is currently earning $160,000 a week and even after a reduction in salary, he would still potentially be the highest earner.

Quotes from the player doesn't suggest he is looking to move to the Premiership though logic would dictate he'd prefer it over a move to Turkey. There is no hard evidence suggesting that he wants to come to Liverpool, or that we want to buy him. The writer tries to throw us of by including this quote from Ian Ayre:-

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"If we feel there's a particular position or player who can contribute to the group and is over that sort of age limit, it doesn't mean we won't consider that player,"


This does indicate that we would be in a position to consider bidding for a more experienced player. What it does not indicate is if this statement was made in reference to Sneijder or if it was made yesterday or last year.

I think it's unlikely at this stage but stranger things have happened.
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I'll be made up if we sign Sneijder, it will be a statement of intend from our club that we're in serious business. What a classy player and I would equate his impact in the squad to that of Suarez's signing.

But everything about him suggest otherwise:
1) Age
2) Transfer fee (How much will he cost?)
3) Wages
4) Ambition (Why come to us when there are Champion's League clubs who could pay higher?)
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lol that norwegian guy snubbed LIV and join Soton instead??
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lol that norwegian guy snubbed LIV and join Soton instead??
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regarding sneijder

http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zo...-star-stalls-on

regarding vegard

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1486680...-potential-snub


i cant brain the logic of all this rclxub.gif
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started la...luis suarez diving la...this la that la...they just wont leave him alone. anything about diving....suarez suarez suarez....unrelated but about diving...suarez...he talk about diving...woahhhh he admit....as if all players do not learn how to dive....ptuihhhhh
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 17 2013, 12:27 PM)
It's not surprising tho. I mean just look at how we're managing some of the fringe players. Wilson has probably stagnated as a player, and Coates whom i rate highly is not getting enough games and will probably be loaned/sold next season. Unless you a product of the Academy, you better off taking your chances at other clubs especially when there's uncertainty with the overall stability. There's a chance you could be brought in for a season and then sold a season later if/when the manager changes i.e. Carroll, Adam etc.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 17 2013, 03:17 PM)
It's not surprising tho. I mean just look at how we're managing some of the fringe players. Wilson has probably stagnated as a player, and Coates whom i rate highly is not getting enough games and will probably be loaned/sold next season. Unless you a product of the Academy, you better off taking your chances at other clubs especially when there's uncertainty with the overall stability. There's a chance you could be brought in for a season and then sold a season later if/when the manager changes i.e. Carroll, Adam etc.
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There is a strong believe from quite a few sources that Sneijder will join us. I cant quite make out as to why he would join us and neither could I make out as to why we need another midfielder. Dont get me wrong, Sneijder is brilliant. But who's gonna make way for him? Allen or Lucas?

It's just weird.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 03:30 PM)
There is a strong believe from quite a few sources that Sneijder will join us. I cant quite make out as to why he would join us and neither could I make out as to why we need another midfielder. Dont get me wrong, Sneijder is brilliant. But who's gonna make way for him? Allen or Lucas?

It's just weird.
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with buttload of midfielders nearing their prime, i can't figure out why are they planning to get Sneijder and we let Vegard slip, to Southampton sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jan 17 2013, 03:17 PM)
It's not surprising tho. I mean just look at how we're managing some of the fringe players. Wilson has probably stagnated as a player, and Coates whom i rate highly is not getting enough games and will probably be loaned/sold next season. Unless you a product of the Academy, you better off taking your chances at other clubs especially when there's uncertainty with the overall stability. There's a chance you could be brought in for a season and then sold a season later if/when the manager changes i.e. Carroll, Adam etc.
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It's understandable that Coates features little in BR's plan, he's somewhat uncomfortable with the ball. At times, we've seen him stumbled or putting mates in pressure when he's searching for a pass. After watching the video of Vegard Forren, you could roughly guess BR is looking for CB that not only good in defending but also able to spot passes and good ball control.

One thing though, we seems to link with a lot of left footer lately. hmm.gif

Jay Speaing seems like a forgotten man too. Wonder how he's doing in Bolton. tongue.gif
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I can't brain this....as always we're linking with all those midfielder that play through middle of the field (those AMF, CMF, DMF) instead of winger....Why was that considering we have a lot of those in our squad already while shortage on winger?
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Actually we dont have a player in the mould of Sneijder who can create spaces. The closest is Gerrard who plays deeper these days & Suso who currently MIA from 1st team action. The team have a lot of runners but little technician who can unlock defenses.
As for wingers, with Downing, Emrique, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge to a certain extend Gerrard, we're not too short on the wings.

I still think its a good idea to get him in provided we dont go overboard with the wages, dun want another J Cole farce. Get him in on a 3 year deal so Suso can learn from him. As for his age, his game not based on lung busting runs like Gerrard, so he'll have not as much prob theoretically & the fees mooted aint that bad considering 2 seasons ago he's available for 40mil sweat.gif
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 04:10 PM)
Actually we dont have a player in the mould of Sneijder who can create spaces. The closest is Gerrard who plays deeper these days & Suso who currently MIA from 1st team action. The team have a lot of runners but little technician who can unlock defenses.
As for wingers, with Downing, Emrique, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge to a certain extend Gerrard, we're not too short on the wings.

I still think its a good idea to get him in provided we dont go overboard with the wages, dun want another J Cole farce. Get him in on a 3 year deal so Suso can learn from him. As for his age, his game not based on lung busting runs like Gerrard, so he'll have not as much prob theoretically & the fees mooted aint that bad considering 2 seasons ago he's available for 40mil  sweat.gif
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Yeah, but we're playing 4-3-3. So who do we sacrifice in the process? Allen? 15mil substitute on the bench is too expensive, isnt it?

Gerrard-Lucas-Sneijder?

or

Gerrard-Sneijder-Allen?

or maybe

Allen-Sneijder-Lucas tongue.gif
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^ Gerrard-Hendo-Sneijder sounds like a nice idea
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 04:14 PM)
Yeah, but we're playing 4-3-3. So who do we sacrifice in the process? Allen? 15mil substitute on the bench is too expensive, isnt it?

Gerrard-Lucas-Sneijder?

or

Gerrard-Sneijder-Allen?

or maybe

Allen-Sneijder-Lucas tongue.gif
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i'd vote for a gung-ho Gerrard-Sneijder-Hendo

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*edited - seems like i'm not the only 1! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 04:14 PM)
Yeah, but we're playing 4-3-3. So who do we sacrifice in the process? Allen? 15mil substitute on the bench is too expensive, isnt it?

Gerrard-Lucas-Sneijder?

or

Gerrard-Sneijder-Allen?

or maybe

Allen-Sneijder-Lucas tongue.gif
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maybe BR prepares for future formation brows.gif
Allen - Sneijder - Lucas dont sound bad IF Allen back on form.

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Allen - Sneijder - Lucas

Gerrard - Sturridge - Suarez

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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 04:10 PM)
Actually we dont have a player in the mould of Sneijder who can create spaces. The closest is Gerrard who plays deeper these days & Suso who currently MIA from 1st team action. The team have a lot of runners but little technician who can unlock defenses.
As for wingers, with Downing, Emrique, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge to a certain extend Gerrard, we're not too short on the wings.

I still think its a good idea to get him in provided we dont go overboard with the wages, dun want another J Cole farce. Get him in on a 3 year deal so Suso can learn from him. As for his age, his game not based on lung busting runs like Gerrard, so he'll have not as much prob theoretically & the fees mooted aint that bad considering 2 seasons ago he's available for 40mil  sweat.gif
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+1. with gerrard sitting deeper this season, we dont have an extra man to unlock the defense or blast the ball from outside the box with suarez in his free role drifting from side-to-side. gala reportedly offered 6.2mil to inter and wages amounted to 3.6 mil
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 17 2013, 04:18 PM)
i'd vote for a gung-ho Gerrard-Sneijder-Hendo

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*edited - seems like i'm not the only 1! tongue.gif
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You're not going for the formation that raises the question of Wadefak? tongue.gif

Shelvey-Allen-Hendo LOL biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 04:20 PM)
maybe BR prepares for future formation brows.gif
Allen - Sneijder - Lucas dont sound bad IF Allen back on form.

My take icon_idea.gif

                  Allen - Sneijder - Lucas

                  Gerrard - Sturridge - Suarez
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Wow! You want the old man to run on the wing ar? tongue.gif

------Lucas (Destroyer)--------
Gerrard (Feeder/Finisher)--Sneijder (Feeder/Creator)

Sterling-Sturridge-Suarez (diver tongue.gif LOL)
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Not much insight but at least Ian Ayre isn't skirting the issue.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...00252-32618291/?

Pretty sure we can fill it up to capacity. More money into our coffers.

On the issue of Sneijder and where he'll fit in? Formations are a little more flexible these days. Rodgers has said that he's looking for players who can play in a few positions. Also, Jonjo Shelvey being thrust up front has put a spotlight on the false no.9 position. I mean, we could stick Sneijder out left on a piece of paper but we all know that when the game begins, players switch positions all the time. Some start out wide on paper but drift infield all the time. Some switch wings. Midfielders sometimes take up more advanced positions and appear more like a no.10. Sneijder can easily play behind a lone striker, to either side of him, or anywhere across the middle of the park.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 04:32 PM)
Wow! You want the old man to run on the wing ar? tongue.gif

------Lucas (Destroyer)--------
Gerrard (Feeder/Finisher)--Sneijder (Feeder/Creator)

Sterling-Sturridge-Suarez (diver tongue.gif LOL)
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oldman crosses are accurate & passing > Sterling brows.gif
actually as impressive as Sterling is, his end product either shooting or final pass kinda off most of the time. So its time for him to rest whistling.gif

edited: ur mid level very light weight la...sure kena overrun. Sneijder wont ever do defensive work. Gerrard not discipline enuff to stay in his designated area.


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 04:39 PM)
Not much insight but at least Ian Ayre isn't skirting the issue.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...00252-32618291/?

Pretty sure we can fill it up to capacity. More money into our coffers.

On the issue of Sneijder and where he'll fit in? Formations are a little more flexible these days. Rodgers has said that he's looking for players who can play in a few positions. Also, Jonjo Shelvey being thrust up front has put a spotlight on the false no.9 position. I mean, we could stick Sneijder out left on a piece of paper but we all know that when the game begins, players switch positions all the time. Some start out wide on paper but drift infield all the time. Some switch wings. Midfielders sometimes take up more advanced positions and appear more like a no.10. Sneijder can easily play behind a lone striker, to either side of him, or anywhere across the middle of the park.
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but who shall we sacrifice? and do you think its a wise move to take Sneijder? o.0
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 04:41 PM)
oldman crosses are accurate & passing > Sterling brows.gif
actually as impressive as Sterling is, his end product either shooting or final pass kinda off most of the time. So its time for him to rest whistling.gif

edited: ur mid level very light weight la...sure kena overrun. Sneijder wont ever do defensive work. Gerrard not discipline enuff to stay in his designated area.
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I forgot who said this "As long as we score more, we dont have to worry about conceding goals" brows.gif

2 feeders, 4 finishers and 1 diver, surely can score more. LOL biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 17 2013, 04:46 PM)
but who shall we sacrifice? and do you think its a wise move to take Sneijder? o.0
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I forgot who said this "As long as we score more, we dont have to worry about conceding goals"  brows.gif

2 feeders, 4 finishers and 1 diver, surely can score more. LOL biggrin.gif
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kinda reminds me Barca under Cruyff drool.gif
but then again, most Reds will have heart attack sweat.gif
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 05:01 PM)
kinda reminds me Barca under Cruyff drool.gif
but then again, most Reds will have heart attack sweat.gif
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Yeah, I am one of them. I would have heart attack especially when Agger and Skrtel are happily leaking easy goals in.
In that case, then this is not bad:

---------Lucas----------
---Gerrard----Hendo

--------Sneijder-------
---Suarez-Sturridge--

With Sneijder switching roles with Gerrard from time to time
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Sneijder..? Wow we really wanna mould our team in to S team?? laugh.gif
The possible line-up i would think up would be :
1. It's either Lucas or Allen on the pitch.
2. It's either Gerrard or Sneijder on the pitch.
3. It's either Henderson or Botak on the pitch.

Jonjo/Hendo
Allen/Lucas Gerrard/Sneijder

Or both Gerrard and Sneijder on the pitch, dropping Jonjo and Hendo, subs them later on. Oh damn good drool.gif drool.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 05:11 PM)
Yeah, I am one of them. I would have heart attack especially when Agger and Skrtel are happily leaking easy goals in.
In that case, then this is not bad:

---------Lucas----------
---Gerrard----Hendo

--------Sneijder-------
---Suarez-Sturridge--

With Sneijder switching roles with Gerrard from time to time
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This will be diamond edi....very narrow. IF without Enrique or Johnson, most likely crowded out in the middle. BR mentor like this also, maybe he thinks of this formation as alternative by bringing in Sneijder. Incidentally the most impressive time of his career is under Maureen @ inter with this formation.
I think its good to look at alternative formation. To stubbornly stuck with 4-3-3 is akin to suicide. Ppl talked abt Woy rigidly standby 4-4-2, hope Brenda wont stuck by 4-3-3 thru thick & thin. Tactical flexibility is the key in modern football. Thats y Woy wont win anything.
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QUOTE(vreis @ Jan 17 2013, 04:10 PM)
Actually we dont have a player in the mould of Sneijder who can create spaces. The closest is Gerrard who plays deeper these days & Suso who currently MIA from 1st team action. The team have a lot of runners but little technician who can unlock defenses.
As for wingers, with Downing, Emrique, Sterling, Suarez, Sturridge to a certain extend Gerrard, we're not too short on the wings.

I still think its a good idea to get him in provided we dont go overboard with the wages, dun want another J Cole farce. Get him in on a 3 year deal so Suso can learn from him. As for his age, his game not based on lung busting runs like Gerrard, so he'll have not as much prob theoretically & the fees mooted aint that bad considering 2 seasons ago he's available for 40mil  sweat.gif
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Out of all those mention, only those 2 are consider 'real' winger.....its been too long liverpool without a proper winger until downing signing which prove to be disappointed at 1st.....now only coming to form......


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Eh u guys keep mention sneijder...is this a fantasy discussion or did i missed something eh?
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Eh u guys keep mention sneijder...is this a fantasy discussion or did i missed something eh?
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You didnt know? shocking.gif

We just signed him for 18mil, Mood.

They are going to announce in the late afternoon London time.
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sounds like some fantasy discussion.
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jan 17 2013, 05:27 PM)
Eh u guys keep mention sneijder...is this a fantasy discussion or did i missed something eh?
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 05:29 PM)
You didnt know?  shocking.gif

We just signed him for 18mil, Mood.

They are going to announce in the late afternoon London time.
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Well. If he come to us, i just hope he play with passion.
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based on the poll, most of us think that we can't afford him. to be precise, his wages. will it still be a realistic target? hmm.gif
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Liverpool midfielder Suso, has become embroiled in an embarrassing incident on Twitter for the second time this year after it emerged he was tricked into flirting with a young Liverpool supporting boy posing as a girl on the site.

LMAO! biggrin.gif Suso is so desperate eh? brows.gif

http://sportsnewsireland.com/soccer/soccer...ter-2013-01-17/?

Allardyce joins Suarez in citing United favouritism

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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 17 2013, 05:44 PM)
based on the poll, most of us think that we can't afford him. to be precise, his wages. will it still be a realistic target? hmm.gif
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well..ayre did managed to get rid off cole and sahin so it should provide us ample balance for sneijder's wage demand.

i dont think he gonna ask >150k p/w.gerrard gonna be fuming then tongue.gif
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haih...really wuts new la...United is lidat maaa...

none of them talked abt that kungfu kick....but can talk for hours abt dive lol. Its pot calling kettle negrito.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 04:48 PM)
I forgot who said this "As long as we score more, we dont have to worry about conceding goals"  brows.gif

2 feeders, 4 finishers and 1 diver, surely can score more. LOL biggrin.gif
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Our very own Roy Evans love that no? Lol
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 09:42 AM)
Indeed. This is why I would like Jamie Carragher to continue to be associated with the club in a coaching capacity after he retires from playing. You don't get many players who are as disciplined as he is. I'm dead certain he has a bevvy every now and then but you'd never catch Carra at a club, surrounded by women and drenched in champagne. He is to me the consummate professional and the ultimate role model for any aspiring player. He does his business on the pitch and he goes back to his family, much like Paul Scholes. Another bloke I'd like to see back because I feel he is in the same mould is Sami Hyypia. It's a stretch for him to be manager now of course. It is also why I'd welcome King Kenny back in an ambassador role. True professionals who would bleed for the team and excellent role models for the younger lads.
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Err, Jamie has his moments in his younger days. There was a story doing the rounds that during one Christmas party he had a naked stripper sitting on his shoulder while he goes around the place "like a lunatic". But then again that was right after the Spice boys days and he has toned down greatly and is a role model now. COuld not and would not question his commitment to the club or how he can influenced the younger player these days.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 11:17 AM)
Hmm the rumours just won't go away.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/424731/2...galatasaray.htm?

So realistically, how likely is it that we'll signed Sneijder? I still believe the media is concocting stories to sell papers. I mean which would sell more? A headline linking him to Galatasaray, or one linking him to a Premiership side?

For one, we are very familiar with our transfer policy. The club "prefers" to sign players under the age of 24. This doesn't mean that we won't go over if a quality player came along. Is Sneijder that quality player? He may be but then we have the issue of his wages. How much of a paycut will he be willing to take, if at all. From what I can tell, Stevie G is our highest paid player and is earning around the region of $100-120,000 a week. Sneijder is currently earning $160,000 a week and even after a reduction in salary, he would still potentially be the highest earner.

Quotes from the player doesn't suggest he is looking to move to the Premiership though logic would dictate he'd prefer it over a move to Turkey. There is no hard evidence suggesting that he wants to come to Liverpool, or that we want to buy him. The writer tries to throw us of by including this quote from Ian Ayre:-
This does indicate that we would be in a position to consider bidding for a more experienced player. What it does not indicate is if this statement was made in reference to Sneijder or if it was made yesterday or last year.

I think it's unlikely at this stage but stranger things have happened.
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We spoke about this the other day, do we need another number 10? Given Suarez is already a number 10, and this rumour is true, how will it pen out? Shoehorning Suarez into a Number 9? Or play with 2 number 10's that will create havoc, whatever it is, we shall wait and see, especially that I read just now that the betting for Sneijder to join us has been slashed to 1:2 (or was it 2:1, could never work it out), and these betting guys, they always know something, and most of the time, their info is very very accurate.

Where he plays is not much of a concern to me as we can rotate to players around, my question is whether he will fit into the English League? Where you get very little time on the ball and is often scythed down by big, burly midfielder / defender. He could turn out to be our Silva or another Joe Cole, we just have to wait and see what happens in the next 2 weeks.

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 05:29 PM)
You didnt know?  shocking.gif

We just signed him for 18mil, Mood.

They are going to announce in the late afternoon London time.
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weh....true anot?
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based on the poll, most of us think that we can't afford him. to be precise, his wages. will it still be a realistic target? hmm.gif
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I can see y not. We offload sahin and abg cole dy. Both of em combined, we should be able to pay him. My opinion, its up to FSG now. Their ambition to the club once again will be tested.

A proven and experienced 8.3 mil world class talent. That price doesnt come everyday.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 05:47 PM)
Liverpool midfielder Suso, has become embroiled in an embarrassing incident on Twitter for the second time this year after it emerged he was tricked into flirting with a young Liverpool supporting boy posing as a girl on the site.

LMAO! biggrin.gif Suso is so desperate eh?  brows.gif

http://sportsnewsireland.com/soccer/soccer...ter-2013-01-17/?

Allardyce joins Suarez in citing United favouritism

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Read more at http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...pdLDdvPf3JuY.99
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how i wish steve bruce or roy keane was the manager of west ham. see what their response then brows.gif
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weh....true anot?
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Well, here goes. BAZINGA! once more tongue.gif
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BAZINGA! tongue.gif
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You didnt see my previous post?
Well, here goes. BAZINGA! once more tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jonno @ Jan 17 2013, 05:51 PM)
Err, Jamie has his moments in his younger days. There was a story doing the rounds that during one Christmas party he had a naked stripper sitting on his shoulder while he goes around the place "like a lunatic". But then again that was right after the Spice boys days and he has toned down greatly and is a role model now. COuld not and would not question his commitment to the club or how he can influenced the younger player these days.
We spoke about this the other day, do we need another number 10? Given Suarez is already a number 10, and this rumour is true, how will it pen out? Shoehorning Suarez into a Number 9? Or play with 2 number 10's that will create havoc, whatever it is, we shall wait and see, especially that I read just now that the betting for Sneijder to join us has been slashed to 1:2 (or was it 2:1, could never work it out), and these betting guys, they always know something, and most of the time, their info is very very accurate.

Where he plays is not much of a concern to me as we can rotate to players around, my question is whether he will fit into the English League? Where you get very little time on the ball and is often scythed down by big, burly midfielder / defender. He could turn out to be our Silva or another Joe Cole, we just have to wait and see what happens in the next 2 weeks.
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Thats the only concern ain't it. at 8-10 mil for his talent is a steal. Of cos if he's not jinxed by injury la.
Suarez is 9 1/2...neither 10 or 9 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(digitalove_70s @ Jan 17 2013, 05:52 PM)
how i wish steve bruce or roy keane was the manager of west ham. see what their response then  brows.gif
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I dont know about Steve but as for Roy, he will throw the ball at SAF and then chase after him just like what he did to Alan Shearer. biggrin.gif
And if he had a beer or 2, he'll probably call SAF "f**king Scottish cheater". My team would kick your ar$e anytime. LOL
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http://www.thisisanfield.com/2013/01/liver...ict-themselves/
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WTF? Why is Sneijder becoming cheaper and cheaper everyday? Is he turning into another Michael Johnson or what? Did he put on weight? tongue.gif

Somebody better investigate properly. Back then, we almost bought Michael Johnson for 10mil. Phewww....luckily we didnt.

Liverpool target Sneijder available for £6.3 million
Read more at http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...6p94gvsxJQxP.99
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 06:26 PM)
WTF? Why is Sneijder becoming cheaper and cheaper everyday? Is he turning into another Michael Johnson or what? Did he put on weight? tongue.gif

Somebody better investigate properly. Back then, we almost bought Michael Johnson for 10mil. Phewww....luckily we didnt.

Liverpool target Sneijder available for £6.3 million
Read more at http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...6p94gvsxJQxP.99
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see my post earlier tongue.gif 10mil inclusive of around 3.6mil in wages
it's not a bad deal at all if we can keep him for 3 years - he'll only be 31 by then!
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WTF? Why is Sneijder becoming cheaper and cheaper everyday? Is he turning into another Michael Johnson or what? Did he put on weight? tongue.gif

Somebody better investigate properly. Back then, we almost bought Michael Johnson for 10mil. Phewww....luckily we didnt.

Liverpool target Sneijder available for £6.3 million
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Michael johnson went insane and unfit lioa

no kidding


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sneijder is an injury prone player... never make more than 30 league appearances in one season during his tenure in inter.

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QUOTE(anip94 @ Jan 17 2013, 06:30 PM)
Michael johnson went insane and unfit lioa

no kidding
anyway,
sneijder is an injury prone player... never make more than 30 league appearances in one season during his tenure in inter.
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Then Sneijder should come to us. We got a world class fitness team. No joke. Look at Agger and Gerrard. Fit as hell. Gerrard has been playing every Premier League games so far.

By the way, Pep Guordiola signed for Bayern Munich already. Too bad Chelsea. Looks like Rafa gonna stay. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 17 2013, 06:26 PM)
WTF? Why is Sneijder becoming cheaper and cheaper everyday? Is he turning into another Michael Johnson or what? Did he put on weight? tongue.gif

Somebody better investigate properly. Back then, we almost bought Michael Johnson for 10mil. Phewww....luckily we didnt.

Liverpool target Sneijder available for £6.3 million
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“I see no reason why the transfer should not go through. Even if it does collapse, it won’t be the end of the world.â€

Earlier this week, Terim told Sneijder he must look at Galatasaray “not as an alternative, but as a first choiceâ€. Terim was quick to emphasise the stature of the Istanbul club, saying: “If Sneijder wants to come to Galatasaray then he must see us as a first choice.

“This club is not anyone’s plaything. Those who play here do not see Galatasaray as an alternative, but as a first choice. Otherwise, one must step aside.â€


Terim comment is like a boss yo. I 100% agree with him. No passion for the club, dont come here.

I already started to doubt his ambition with us hmm.gif
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Terim comment is like a boss yo. I 100% agree with him. No passion for the club, dont come here.

I already started to doubt his ambition with us  hmm.gif
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He is obviously more interested in EPL than Turkish league la, Moody.
Despite all the reports, I dont think any team in the premier league has launch a bid except for a certain rumor saying that Liverpool did (rumor has it la)

I am surprised Mr Hairdryer did not launch a bid for him after stating how interested he was in Sneijder and bla bla bla.

If he comes, you will see all the killer through passes but I dont think it will work against Stoke. They basically put like 10 pom pom boys at the back to stop any hollywood passes. biggrin.gif
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He is obviously more interested in EPL than Turkish league la, Moody.
Despite all the reports, I dont think any team in the premier league has launch a bid except for a certain rumor saying that Liverpool did (rumor has it la)

I am surprised Mr Hairdryer did not launch a bid for him after stating how interested he was in Sneijder and bla bla bla.

If he comes, you will see all the killer through passes but I dont think it will work against Stoke. They basically put like 10 pom pom boys at the back to stop any hollywood passes. biggrin.gif
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We've talked to some length about FFP and how along with some other Premiership sides, we've been working hard to comply with it's regulations.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...egulations.html

Not a surprise Premiership clubs are apprehensive because of his inflated salary. I'm wondering how clubs like PSG and Anzi are coping though? They have much less global appeal than almost any Premiership team. Hardly anyone I know watches the French league and even less watch Russian football. The likes of Zlatan, Roberto Carlos and Samuel Eto are earning mega bucks. For these clubs, it is even more important that they comply with FFP since their only shot at global exposure is by competing in Europe.
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I have a feeling that lfc will come back to Malaysia this year.hopefully we get to see captain g this time around.
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I have a feeling that lfc will come back to Malaysia this year.hopefully we get to see captain g this time around.
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Any takes on Suarez admittance of his Diving and BR's 'anger' at it?
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They are going to Indonesia for pre-season. Confirmed during the USA pre-season tour because LFC has signed with Garuda Airlines.
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Unnecessary distraction, Mikey. Just before the Norwich game. Hope that Suarez will vent his frustration against the Canaries and record another hattrick.
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They are going to Indonesia for pre-season. Confirmed during the USA pre-season tour because LFC has signed with Garuda Airlines.
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this article says they will only know in *203* which is obviously a typo of 2013.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1...d-lfc-tour.html

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Any takes on Suarez admittance of his Diving and BR's 'anger' at it?
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Suarez was being honest. I mean it isn't like he can deny those allegations even if he wanted to. The dive against Stoke for example, was clear as day. His admission however included a key line.

"Football is like that. Sometimes you do things on the field that later you think ’why the hell did I do that?’

It shows he does regret doing what he does. He makes mistakes just like any other. He's just the first player in awhile to admit it. Reckon Bale or Young would fess up?

Upon the release of this interview, Rodgers had no choice but to slam cheating. You can't back someone who admits he has done something wrong even if he regretted it after. The good thing is that Suarez seems to be cleaning up his act and Rodgers has always been behind him.
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Haven't been on lately, cause I've been settling in college.

I honestly still doubt Sneidjer will come to town though, cause at his age, he'd probably want to be challenging for his last few honours, and Liverpoo, sadly, won't be able to provide that for him.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 18 2013, 12:25 AM)
Suarez was being honest. I mean it isn't like he can deny those allegations even if he wanted to. The dive against Stoke for example, was clear as day. His admission however included a key line.

"Football is like that. Sometimes you do things on the field that later you think ’why the hell did I do that?’

It shows he does regret doing what he does. He makes mistakes just like any other. He's just the first player in awhile to admit it. Reckon Bale or Young would fess up?

Upon the release of this interview, Rodgers had no choice but to slam cheating. You can't back someone who admits he has done something wrong even if he regretted it after. The good thing is that Suarez seems to be cleaning up his act and Rodgers has always been behind him.
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All credit to him for being honest and I personally like it.

But dont you think that now refs might think, "there, he said it, he might do it again in this game and that game" - therefore awarding him extra unnecessary scrutiny?

And also it could, if it havent already, have a bad effect on
BR because he defended suarez for the dive (iinm).
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 18 2013, 01:07 AM)
All credit to him for being honest and I personally like it.

But dont you think that now refs might think, "there, he said it, he might do it again in this game and that game" - therefore awarding him extra unnecessary scrutiny?

And also it could, if it havent already, have a bad effect on
BR because he defended suarez for the dive (iinm).
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I think it would have been worse if he didnt fess up and continued to deceived them intentionally. I mean he wasnt getting calls anyway because if his reputation. He did show regret after and the fact that he's been doing it much less of late will have been noticed by refs. Let's hope he continues with his new leaf.
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Liverpool FC interested in Wesley Sneijder if he agrees to pay cut (GALLERY)

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Wesley Sneijder

LIVERPOOL FC are interested in bringing Wesley Sneijder to Anfield – but only if the Inter Milan midfielder agrees to take a massive pay cut.

The Holland international will leave Italy during the current transfer window after being frozen out at Inter and he's stalling over an offer from Galatasaray as he favours a move to the Premier League.

The Reds have yet to make an official approach for Sneijder but the player's representatives are aware of the club's interest.

Boss Brendan Rodgers is a big admirer of the 28-year-old and believes he would be a world-class acquisition to his Liverpool squad.

However, one major stumbling block is Sneijder's salary. He earns an eye-watering 6.5million euros a year (£5.4million) after tax in Italy. In the UK that is the equivalent of a basic wage of £200,000 per week. shakehead.gif

With Liverpool having slashed their inflated wage bill over the past year and offered more performance-related contracts there is no chance of them offering anywhere near that figure.

However, if Sneijder lowers his demands in a bid to realise his dream of playing in England then the Reds will look to hold talks.

Inter are desperate to get Sneijder off their wage bill and have agreed a 7.5million euros (£6.3million) transfer fee with Galatasaray.

The Turkish side are willing to pay him £100,000 per week after tax but he's dragging his heels over a move to Istanbul.

Galatasaray president Unal Aysal wants an answer by this weekend but Sneijder has made it clear he won't be rushed into making a decision on his future.

“I am considering my options,†he said.

“It’s not a question of money. I have time to decide what to do and where to go before January 31.â€

Sneijder, who was a World Cup finalist with Holland in 2010, started his career at Ajax before moving to Real Madrid for 27million euros in 2007.

Two years later he went to Inter for 15million euros and in his first season in Italy he helped Jose Mourinho's side win both Serie A and the Champions League.

However, he has been hampered by injuries over the past two seasons and fell out with the club's hierarchy earlier this term after rejecting their request to take a pay cut.

Sneijder, who is under contract with Inter until 2015, hasn't played since September and needs a fresh start in order to rekindle his international career.

If Sneijder does come into Liverpool's price range then it will provide a test of their transfer policy. rclxms.gif

MD Ian Ayre told the ECHO this week they are targeting players aged under 24 in order to build for the future. However, he insisted that wasn't “set in stone†and said Rodgers would be able to sign more experienced players if the right personnel became available.


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Should we start saying goodbye to Suarez now? The bad week continues..
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Should we start saying goodbye to Suarez now? The bad week continues..
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Why? BR said he has knocked on his door a few times and apologized. Do you think a person who wants to leave will do that? Knowing Suarez, if he's angry he would have protested this openly but he didn't.

Calm down bro. It's not easy to manage people. We all face the same situation in office as well. It ain't nice to tell people off but professionally you have to. So I am sure BR did it professionally but media over exaggerated it as usual.
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Yeah, the pic seems "nasty". They're going after each other's necks. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Bloody media always blow things out of proportion when it comes to Suarez. Much ado about nothing. Move on now. Let's hantam Norwich another time this weekend. biggrin.gif

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Sneidjer wants $200k a week... haha....players these days....


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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 09:07 AM)
Why? BR said he has knocked on his door a few times and apologized. Do you think a person who wants to leave will do that? Knowing Suarez, if he's angry he would have protested this openly but he didn't.

Calm down bro. It's not easy to manage people. We all face the same situation in office as well. It ain't nice to tell people off but professionally you have to. So I am sure BR did it professionally but media over exaggerated it as usual.
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I guess you are right. At least he's not another Tevez. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 18 2013, 09:41 AM)
Sneidjer wants $200k  a week... haha....players these days....
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and we can get 2 top players with that amount. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 18 2013, 09:41 AM)
Sneidjer wants $200k  a week... haha....players these days....
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i guess thats why his price has gone down laugh.gif

but seriously, i don't think that he'll ever get that wage at Anfield sweat.gif
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if sneijder can come for free, i think we can still pay his wages, but i'd stay away from players who value the money more than the passion to play

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Sneidjer wants $200k  a week... haha....players these days....
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We can do the Sol Campbell offer again. biggrin.gif

$100K a week
Signing on fee $5mil

That's a load of cash in his pocket with 1 signature so it aint too bad. But he better be worth it or else he has to give back the club the $5mil PLUS interest vmad.gif
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With all due respect Sneidjer is a good player but not great.

I'd pay Messi or Ronaldo $250k a week, but Sneidjer, I'd give him $150k at MOST.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 09:50 AM)
if sneijder can come for free, i think we can still pay his wages, but i'd stay away from players who value the money more than the passion to play
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this! which makes me feels more positive that BR won't sign him biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jan 18 2013, 09:52 AM)
With all due respect Sneidjer is a good player but not great.

I'd pay Messi or Ronaldo $250k a week, but Sneidjer, I'd give him $150k at MOST.
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Wont go > Stevie G which is ard 120k. Actually I'll look else where if he comes with >100k/week.
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QUOTE(wadefak @ Jan 18 2013, 09:54 AM)
this! which makes me feels more positive that BR won't sign him biggrin.gif
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Maybe BR also wants Andy Caroll to come back hence getting a feeder to suit his playing style. tongue.gif
Did BR just realised what we realised earlier about what we are lacking when we faced Stoke and Everton? rclxms.gif
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Maybe BR also wants Andy Caroll to come back hence getting a feeder to suit his playing style. tongue.gif
Did BR just realised what we realised earlier about what we are lacking when we faced Stoke and Everton?  rclxms.gif
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if we can sell carroll to chelsea for 40m then perhaps we can afford sneijder for 2 years biggrin.gif

any way to make carroll look good to abrahamovic? send him some youtube links maybe? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:04 AM)
if we can sell carroll to chelsea for 40m then perhaps we can afford sneijder for 2 years biggrin.gif

any way to make carroll look good to abrahamovic? send him some youtube links maybe? biggrin.gif
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If you send to Roman, he'll be laughing his a$$ off! biggrin.gif
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Even if sneijder come for free, 200k a week is just too much. Agree with most people here. The wage should not be more than what our captain get.
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We're pretty strict with our policy this season, refuse to up the ante for Sigurdsson after Tottenham's hijack, not willing to pay over the odd for Dempsey and Tom Ince's one seems to have quiet down too.

Sneijder link is definitely rumour and for bookies to earn more bucks.
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He is definitely sniffing around the premier league clubs. I dont think money is his only motivation. I fear that he is waiting for the biggies to come. Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd. He'll probably walk 500 miles just to sign for them.

I am surprised SAF hasn't made a move until now. Maybe he knows something? As I asked earlier, did Sneijder put on weight? tongue.gif

No competitive football since September. Too much turkey on Xmas and booze. Well, let's hope not. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 10:26 AM)
He is definitely sniffing around the premier league clubs. I dont think money is his only motivation. I fear that he is waiting for the biggies to come. Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd. He'll probably walk 500 miles just to sign for them.

I am surprised SAF hasn't made a move until now. Maybe he knows something? As I asked earlier, did Sneijder put on weight? tongue.gif

No competitive football since September. Too much turkey on Xmas and booze. Well, let's hope not. biggrin.gif
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if 3 yrs ago SAF take him already....He wanted to last year but changed his mind. Heck even his own club dun wanna play him.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 10:26 AM)
He is definitely sniffing around the premier league clubs. I dont think money is his only motivation. I fear that he is waiting for the biggies to come. Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd. He'll probably walk 500 miles just to sign for them.

I am surprised SAF hasn't made a move until now. Maybe he knows something? As I asked earlier, did Sneijder put on weight? tongue.gif

No competitive football since September. Too much turkey on Xmas and booze. Well, let's hope not. biggrin.gif
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i dont think SAF wants to change anything now that his team is sitting 7 pts clear. just maintain the momentum and keep the team spirit. he wont want someone to come in , act like primadona and spoil whatever momentum he's had now. plus, i dont think shrek likes the idea of not being the main man


sneijder coming in for 100k maybe? but hopefully he can accept a performance based pay, and i think jerat dont look like a 120k player nowadays sweat.gif


perhaps if we have kuyt it would be easier for sneijder to decide. plus, we are linked with one of the de jongs. time to reintroduce the oranje steel into the squad? hmm.gif

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Sneijder is a talented player

In our current Liverpool set up of play, Brendan Rodgers emphasis; system first > team built on a player/over an individual.

Judging by reports, sneijder appears to struggle to fit into the coaches system. Operates much better given a free roam.

The quote below hurts in more ways than we think, like as if we are gambling on something, unlike Van Persie's case, top talent being chased for his signature & team gets rewarded.
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Wesley Sneijder has gone from one of the best in the world to a player being linked with clubs such as Galatasaray and Liverpool. These are not Europe’s top sides and this indicates the problem with Sneijder


Doubt it will happen. I'm seeing more against it then for it.

Are we to gamble, depends how we look at it. some may see if it does, meant Rodgers may be desperate. if it works, its a win win (ie we get Sneijder to lower his pay) & we have a talented player upfront to support the likes of suarez

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:30 AM)
i dont think SAF wants to change anything now that his team is sitting 7 pts clear. just maintain the momentum and keep the team spirit. he wont want someone to come in , act like primadona and spoil whatever momentum he's had now. plus, i dont think shrek likes the idea of not being the main man
sneijder coming in for 100k maybe? but hopefully he can accept a performance based pay, and i think jerat dont look like a 120k player nowadays  sweat.gif
perhaps if we have kuyt it would be easier for sneijder to decide. plus, we are linked with one of the de jongs. time to reintroduce the oranje steel into the squad?  hmm.gif
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while for us, we dont have any explosive supersub..not to mention allen and shelvey with their patchy performance now and then
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 18 2013, 10:28 AM)
if 3 yrs ago SAF take him already....He wanted to last year but changed his mind. Heck even his own club dun wanna play him.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:30 AM)
i dont think SAF wants to change anything now that his team is sitting 7 pts clear. just maintain the momentum and keep the team spirit. he wont want someone to come in , act like primadona and spoil whatever momentum he's had now. plus, i dont think shrek likes the idea of not being the main man
sneijder coming in for 100k maybe? but hopefully he can accept a performance based pay, and i think jerat dont look like a 120k player nowadays  sweat.gif
perhaps if we have kuyt it would be easier for sneijder to decide. plus, we are linked with one of the de jongs. time to reintroduce the oranje steel into the squad?  hmm.gif
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If BR is going in for him, I dont think he's going to pay over the odds and he definitely see something in him that most of us dont.

Many didnt agree with us signing Sturridge but he has put in 2 good performances so far with 2 goals. Most notably a writer wrote that Sturridge instinctive reaction to convert the rebound after Stevie's shot, was what Liverpool has been missing for a long time.

So I trust that BR will make the right decision again. He's not going to pay huge money for this fella and risk his own neck in the process.

And if Wesley can maintain his fitness for many years, he could be just like another Andrea Pirlo.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 10:53 AM)
And if Wesley can maintain his fitness for many years, he could be just like another Andrea Pirlo.
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thats a big IF. Stevie is on his way to become a Pirlo...we need another old guard Carra n Pepe will fill the places...one more wud be nais.

Sneijder or Lampard? brows.gif

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 10:53 AM)
If BR is going in for him, I dont think he's going to pay over the odds and he definitely see something in him that most of us dont.

Many didnt agree with us signing Sturridge but he has put in 2 good performances so far with 2 goals. Most notably a writer wrote that Sturridge instinctive reaction to convert the rebound after Stevie's shot, was what Liverpool has been missing for a long time.

So I trust that BR will make the right decision again. He's not going to pay huge money for this fella and risk his own neck in the process.

And if Wesley can maintain his fitness for many years, he could be just like another Andrea Pirlo.
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hey how about the idea of getting lampard for free next summer? biggrin.gif


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hey how about the idea of getting lampard for free next summer? biggrin.gif
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+1. plus he's not going to demand over the odds salary. aaand he's a proven EPL player flex.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:30 AM)
i dont think SAF wants to change anything now that his team is sitting 7 pts clear. just maintain the momentum and keep the team spirit. he wont want someone to come in , act like primadona and spoil whatever momentum he's had now. plus, i dont think shrek likes the idea of not being the main man
sneijder coming in for 100k maybe? but hopefully he can accept a performance based pay, and i think jerat dont look like a 120k player nowadays  sweat.gif
perhaps if we have kuyt it would be easier for sneijder to decide. plus, we are linked with one of the de jongs. time to reintroduce the oranje steel into the squad?  hmm.gif
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Yea, its Siem De Jong, it is no doubt now BR trying to make the whole team in to the "S" team.
Let's just hope this kind of same-alphabet-name-lineup would be deadly.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(digitalove_70s @ Jan 18 2013, 10:59 AM)
+1. plus he's not going to demand over the odds salary. aaand he's a proven EPL player  flex.gif
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Rafa planned to give him to us fr before laugh.gif
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Rafa planned to give him to us fr before  laugh.gif
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seems like news of Snejder willing to accept 100k per week( probably with performance incentives) to join Liverpool. 6 mil transfer fee plus a more reasonable wage seems good. don't know how good he will be here but certainly will send a message to other clubs and help with getting players in in the future.

Let's wait and see..
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can ask for terry + cole bundled together sumore  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:57 AM)
hey how about the idea of getting lampard for free next summer? biggrin.gif
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+1. plus he's not going to demand over the odds salary. aaand he's a proven EPL player  flex.gif
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NOOOOOOOOOO. try recall the Gerrard Lampard partnership for England?

but if frank is to pair with other central player... hmm.gif

QUOTE(saikuan @ Jan 18 2013, 11:04 AM)
seems like news of Snejder willing to accept 100k per week( probably with performance incentives) to join Liverpool. 6 mil transfer fee plus a more reasonable wage seems good. don't know how good he will be here but certainly will send a message to other clubs and help with getting players in in the future.

Let's wait and see..
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u have any source on this?
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Absolutely! Throw in an Ashley Cole as well. biggrin.gif
We will have Enrique and Cole for left back. Delicious looking fullbacks setup. rclxms.gif

Ok, who can we give to this love rat Cole in return? hmm.....Louise Redknapp? Or he will settle for Claire Rourke? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(saikuan @ Jan 18 2013, 11:04 AM)
seems like news of Snejder willing to accept 100k per week( probably with performance incentives) to join Liverpool. 6 mil transfer fee plus a more reasonable wage seems good. don't know how good he will be here but certainly will send a message to other clubs and help with getting players in in the future.

Let's wait and see..
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u have any source on this?
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Just saw on soccernet transfer blog.. don't whether another bs or some truth in it..gotta wait until they wake up over there and feed us with more info..lol..

As usual we are linked with few names, but i ain't getting excited till i read a medical is being done and a fee agreed..
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NOOOOOOOOOO. try recall the Gerrard Lampard partnership for England?

but if frank is to pair with other central player... hmm.gif
u have any source on this?
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england..without gerrard and lampard hancur also laugh.gif
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england..without gerrard and lampard hancur also  laugh.gif
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No need to play them both together. tongue.gif

Against Stoke/Everton/West Ham
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Against rest of the world
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Against Harimau

Gerrard-Fat Lamps-Shelvey (not a single player of Harimau can run past them tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 11:26 AM)
No need to play them both together. tongue.gif

Against Stoke/Everton/West Ham
------Fat Lamps------
---Lucas------Hendo

Against rest of the world
-----Gerrard------
--Allen------Lucas

Against Harimau

Gerrard-Fat Lamps-Shelvey (not a single player of Harimau can run past them tongue.gif)
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and once shelvey red carded..see how he curse rajagobal laugh.gif

anyhow, lamps > sneijder in terms of proven record in EPL and free sumore yo

though i doubt it's gonna happen with FSG's policy hmm.gif
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 18 2013, 10:57 AM)
thats a big IF. Stevie is on his way to become a Pirlo...we need another old guard Carra n Pepe will fill the places...one more wud be nais.

Sneijder or Lampard?  brows.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:57 AM)
hey how about the idea of getting lampard for free next summer? biggrin.gif
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Lampard? WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Reason:
1. He's Mr. Chelsea
2. He is on about £150K a week
3. He is on decline
4. Most importantly, we DON'T need him it'll just create the same problem with the England team whereby most managers don't know how to fit both of the into a system. AND we already have Gerrard who's a much all round player than Lampard, why you want to have 2 similar player who's both old in the same team? Not to mention we have Shelvey who's very much like Gerrard when he's younger.

On Terry and Cole, we would never be able to afford Cole's wages demand, he'll be going to PSG to wind down his career, sucking on about £200K a week. Terry would rather rot on the bench than joining us, he IS Mr. Chelsea X 1000 and their Jamie Carragher, so it would never happen.


On Sneijder, too much has been said about him joining us and many has expressed interest and excitement in the prospect of him joining, the debate tend to circle around whether we can afford his wages, the transfer fee etc etc.

I have a slightly different thought, do we need him?
What will he bring to a team?
Will he disrupt the team and most importantly the dressing room?
Will he improve the team? Does he bring about qualities that we do not have in the team?

Perhaps after all these questions were answered, then we should talk about whether we can afford his wages, the last thing I want was another Veron case. Everyone connected to Man Utd was excited about his signing and reckoned that the signing would start an era of dominance as he is the last piece in the jigsaw. We all know how that went.

I leave it to your own opinion and interpretations before going further with this. whistling.gif







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I leave it to your own opinion and interpretations before going further with this.  whistling.gif
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Opinion? Interpretation?
My mind went blank after looking at your Anne Hathaway avatar with some booby exposed. drool.gif
Cant think of Sneijder, Fat Lamps or Cole now. Sign Anne! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 11:43 AM)
Opinion? Interpretation?
My mind went blank after looking at your Anne Hathaway avatar with some booby exposed.  drool.gif
Cant think of Sneijder, Fat Lamps or Cole now. Sign Anne! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 11:43 AM)
Opinion? Interpretation?
My mind went blank after looking at your Anne Hathaway avatar with some booby exposed.  drool.gif
Cant think of Sneijder, Fat Lamps or Cole now. Sign Anne! biggrin.gif
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She's great ain't she? Glad you like it, in fact, many commented to me that since I stopped posting regularly here, what they missed most wasn't my input to the discussion, but my avatar!

Always good to know that you contribute to the forum discussion in a positive way brows.gif

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we need the best English can offer to take back the league title  bruce.gif
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She ain't English if that's what you're talking about.

If you're talking about football, we tried that when Dalglish went out and sign pretty much every British footballer out there, a flawed and expensive affair that we are still trying to rectify.

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It seems like Clarke want Coates on loan at west brom. Good for all parties , no?

Clarke can boast his defense in case someone buy his Olsson. Coates can gain experience.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2013, 12:09 PM)
It seems like Clarke want Coates on loan at west brom. Good for all parties , no?

Clarke can boast his defense in case someone buy his Olsson. Coates can gain experience.
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i dont think is good idea given that they are above us at the moment sweat.gif

i'd loan him to stoke though. then he can learn and train to be a brickwall biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Jan 18 2013, 12:09 PM)
It seems like Clarke want Coates on loan at west brom. Good for all parties , no?

Clarke can boast his defense in case someone buy his Olsson. Coates can gain experience.
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imo, coates will eventually be sold by BR...its just a matter of time and to who the highest bidder is.
currently juventus are the main contenders.
and even if coates does go to WBA on loan, there probably is also going to be an first option for WBA to buy him after the 6 months loan is over.
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imo, coates will eventually be sold by BR...its just a matter of time and to who the highest bidder is.
currently juventus are the main contenders.
and even if coates does go to WBA on loan, there probably is also going to be an first option for WBA to buy him after the 6 months loan is over.
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ya, but its been obvious that BR has been on a season long mission to trim the wage bill of players he doesnt see fitting into his system.
and coates at 30k/week isnt exactly a priority yet to his wage trimming mission, but eventually BR will reach coates.

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i wonder now when is BR going to make a move for jack wilshere biggrin.gif
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macam macam speculation..


sampai lampard & cole also come out.. sweat...
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Even if sneijder come for free, 200k a week is just too much. Agree with most people here. The wage should not be more than what our captain get.
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200k? eh no ler. Rumours said, Galatasaray offer him 110k p/w in the negotiation. IF he join us, we should be paying around that figure only.

Lampard to play with us? Only happen in FIFA13 console.

Terry? No, a big big no. It is a risk for our footballers wives.

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Reputation as a normal red-blooded male with hormones? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 18 2013, 12:50 PM)
i wonder now when is BR going to make a move for jack wilshere biggrin.gif
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Sneijder,Wilshere, Lucas, Stevie, Shelvey, Allen, Hendo? 7 centre midfielders. woah! We dont have champions league matches brother. No need so many midfielders. biggrin.gif
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Reputation as a normal red-blooded male with hormones? biggrin.gif
Sneijder,Wilshere, Lucas, Stevie, Shelvey, Allen, Hendo? 7 centre midfielders. woah! We dont have champions league matches brother. No need so many midfielders. biggrin.gif
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our bus is just parked higher up tongue.gif
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inb4 buying Drogba and Anne fr China

i mean Anelka...not Hathaway blush.gif

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