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Jonno
post Jan 16 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 16 2013, 09:22 AM)

i agree with Hansen.  biggrin.gif
You cant win a title with kids. But you can certainly start to build a future wining team with kids.
Its reaally a time related thing. BUT the key is still the old heads, is it not? 
BUT in those transistion dont forget, MancsU bought heavily as well for class players to fill the gaps.
And MancsU was already winning tiltles before those younsters came in.....
So all in all, you need to have those experienced class players like Luis and Stevie.
We have so few of those at the moment, i think we are lacking in terms of experience balance. Too many young ones.
This is evidenced by having to play a 17 year old week in week out in Sterling.

Having THREE teens in any game adds to that evidence!

Its a matter of balance bearing in mind, these teens may still turn out to be failures.
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They haven't won the title for 26 years (a record I hope we never beat) before that 1992 title win. The bunch of "kids" grew up together, totally murdered everyone in the FA Youth Cup a few years before that and was promoted together. Thus, knowing each other well, in terms of playing style coupled with the guidance of the old heads in the players everyone mentioned, but a few that wasn't mentioned was a certain Bryan Robson and Mark hughes. Very similar to our position now, you have a club captain, an absolute legend that could and would guide the kids well and mould them into good players.

The difference between then and now is of course the money, Cantona was then the highest pay player in the English League with £4K a week, compare that to Raheem, who's on £30K a week, despite being an 18 year old. MOney will add distraction to the player and with them being young, it will always be bad as they will have unnecessary distractions, no matter how much the older heads try to coach or mould them, it's bound to be hard when you have scores of women trying to spread their legs for you everywhere you go.

I'm not blaming the money, but the fact that the game has changed so much, in terms of coverage, money, method etc etc, it will not be easy for a team to grow players, especially young ones. Because of the pressure on the managers and the coverage and website write ins, radio call ins in the UK and even out of UK.

These boys needs to be managed properly or they might just turn out to be flash in the pan and then stagnate there. A good example would be SWP or to a lesser extend Theo Walcott. I just hope that Rodgers is taking it easy with them and grow them into better players rather than overload them and kill their career off like that.
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post Jan 17 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 09:42 AM)
Indeed. This is why I would like Jamie Carragher to continue to be associated with the club in a coaching capacity after he retires from playing. You don't get many players who are as disciplined as he is. I'm dead certain he has a bevvy every now and then but you'd never catch Carra at a club, surrounded by women and drenched in champagne. He is to me the consummate professional and the ultimate role model for any aspiring player. He does his business on the pitch and he goes back to his family, much like Paul Scholes. Another bloke I'd like to see back because I feel he is in the same mould is Sami Hyypia. It's a stretch for him to be manager now of course. It is also why I'd welcome King Kenny back in an ambassador role. True professionals who would bleed for the team and excellent role models for the younger lads.
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Err, Jamie has his moments in his younger days. There was a story doing the rounds that during one Christmas party he had a naked stripper sitting on his shoulder while he goes around the place "like a lunatic". But then again that was right after the Spice boys days and he has toned down greatly and is a role model now. COuld not and would not question his commitment to the club or how he can influenced the younger player these days.

QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 17 2013, 11:17 AM)
Hmm the rumours just won't go away.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/424731/2...galatasaray.htm?

So realistically, how likely is it that we'll signed Sneijder? I still believe the media is concocting stories to sell papers. I mean which would sell more? A headline linking him to Galatasaray, or one linking him to a Premiership side?

For one, we are very familiar with our transfer policy. The club "prefers" to sign players under the age of 24. This doesn't mean that we won't go over if a quality player came along. Is Sneijder that quality player? He may be but then we have the issue of his wages. How much of a paycut will he be willing to take, if at all. From what I can tell, Stevie G is our highest paid player and is earning around the region of $100-120,000 a week. Sneijder is currently earning $160,000 a week and even after a reduction in salary, he would still potentially be the highest earner.

Quotes from the player doesn't suggest he is looking to move to the Premiership though logic would dictate he'd prefer it over a move to Turkey. There is no hard evidence suggesting that he wants to come to Liverpool, or that we want to buy him. The writer tries to throw us of by including this quote from Ian Ayre:-
This does indicate that we would be in a position to consider bidding for a more experienced player. What it does not indicate is if this statement was made in reference to Sneijder or if it was made yesterday or last year.

I think it's unlikely at this stage but stranger things have happened.
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We spoke about this the other day, do we need another number 10? Given Suarez is already a number 10, and this rumour is true, how will it pen out? Shoehorning Suarez into a Number 9? Or play with 2 number 10's that will create havoc, whatever it is, we shall wait and see, especially that I read just now that the betting for Sneijder to join us has been slashed to 1:2 (or was it 2:1, could never work it out), and these betting guys, they always know something, and most of the time, their info is very very accurate.

Where he plays is not much of a concern to me as we can rotate to players around, my question is whether he will fit into the English League? Where you get very little time on the ball and is often scythed down by big, burly midfielder / defender. He could turn out to be our Silva or another Joe Cole, we just have to wait and see what happens in the next 2 weeks.

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post Jan 18 2013, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 18 2013, 10:57 AM)
thats a big IF. Stevie is on his way to become a Pirlo...we need another old guard Carra n Pepe will fill the places...one more wud be nais.

Sneijder or Lampard?  brows.gif
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 10:57 AM)
hey how about the idea of getting lampard for free next summer? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(digitalove_70s @ Jan 18 2013, 11:03 AM)
can ask for terry + cole bundled together sumore  tongue.gif
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Lampard? WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Reason:
1. He's Mr. Chelsea
2. He is on about £150K a week
3. He is on decline
4. Most importantly, we DON'T need him it'll just create the same problem with the England team whereby most managers don't know how to fit both of the into a system. AND we already have Gerrard who's a much all round player than Lampard, why you want to have 2 similar player who's both old in the same team? Not to mention we have Shelvey who's very much like Gerrard when he's younger.

On Terry and Cole, we would never be able to afford Cole's wages demand, he'll be going to PSG to wind down his career, sucking on about £200K a week. Terry would rather rot on the bench than joining us, he IS Mr. Chelsea X 1000 and their Jamie Carragher, so it would never happen.


On Sneijder, too much has been said about him joining us and many has expressed interest and excitement in the prospect of him joining, the debate tend to circle around whether we can afford his wages, the transfer fee etc etc.

I have a slightly different thought, do we need him?
What will he bring to a team?
Will he disrupt the team and most importantly the dressing room?
Will he improve the team? Does he bring about qualities that we do not have in the team?

Perhaps after all these questions were answered, then we should talk about whether we can afford his wages, the last thing I want was another Veron case. Everyone connected to Man Utd was excited about his signing and reckoned that the signing would start an era of dominance as he is the last piece in the jigsaw. We all know how that went.

I leave it to your own opinion and interpretations before going further with this. whistling.gif







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post Jan 18 2013, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 11:43 AM)
Opinion? Interpretation?
My mind went blank after looking at your Anne Hathaway avatar with some booby exposed.  drool.gif
Cant think of Sneijder, Fat Lamps or Cole now. Sign Anne! biggrin.gif
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She's great ain't she? Glad you like it, in fact, many commented to me that since I stopped posting regularly here, what they missed most wasn't my input to the discussion, but my avatar!

Always good to know that you contribute to the forum discussion in a positive way brows.gif

By the way, you lived up to your reputation by that post sweat.gif

QUOTE(maranello55 @ Jan 18 2013, 11:45 AM)
we need the best English can offer to take back the league title  bruce.gif
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She ain't English if that's what you're talking about.

If you're talking about football, we tried that when Dalglish went out and sign pretty much every British footballer out there, a flawed and expensive affair that we are still trying to rectify.

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post Jan 18 2013, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 12:18 PM)
i dont think is good idea given that they are above us at the moment  sweat.gif

i'd loan him to stoke though. then he can learn and train to be a brickwall biggrin.gif
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Nah, Stoke's play is totally different from us. By sending him there for loan, although he might / will get game time, it will not help his game one bit, as he will come back as a "hoof" type of a footballer, which is not our game play at all. Going to WBA makes sense, Clarke knows Coates from his time with us, and they try to play football from the back rather than just hoof it up the field. Maybe if he gets enough game time, it'll help develop his game as a proper passing defender.


QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 18 2013, 12:50 PM)
i wonder now when is BR going to make a move for jack wilshere biggrin.gif
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Bit early to start dreaming isn't it? Plus we don't really need him.

With the rumours going around, we will be playing with false 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9 by lining up with 0 defenders and 0 strikers. 10 in the midfield, that'll be something rclxub.gif
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post Jan 18 2013, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Jan 18 2013, 01:17 PM)
Reputation as a normal red-blooded male with hormones? biggrin.gif
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Correct, but just that apparently your hormones are a little more active and your blood is easily seduced brows.gif
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post Jan 18 2013, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 02:17 PM)
no la, stoke was just sarcasm. i also dont think he can benefit at stoke. but WBA would be a problem. they are our rivals now, sadly but thats the situation. you dont help your rivals. i think sending him to QPR may make some sense. harry can coach him?
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Nope Harry is the last person on earth that should coach him, form what I see, Harry doesn't have much tactical flexibility and is too old fashioned, although he is a fantastic man manager. If Coates is to learn from someone, the likes of Clarke at WBA, or Laudrup at Swansea or Arsene or even Hughton would help his game greatly.
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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 18 2013, 02:48 PM)
problem is all these teams are competing against us for european slot  sweat.gif
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I am not worried about that, as we are not strengthening them but sending one of our young player over to gain some much needed experience to improve. If we are thinking about such little things, then we have no right to compete in Europe as we ain't good enough anyway. On top of that, I truly believe WBA will fade away soon.
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post Jan 31 2013, 03:14 PM

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The amount of "prediction" (or what I call "thoughtless comments") here never cease to amuse me. Just because we bought a player, it doesn't mean we have to ship players out. Football is very much a squad game these days. I am pretty sure just not long ago everyone is screaming that we had a small squad and we need to buy more players. And now just because we signed Sturridge and Coutinho, we have to ship players out? And the names being bandied around here are just ridiculous!

Not because I like the look of Suso, Jonjo and Henderson and others, but in a season of 38 league games, 6 Europa League Games (if we qualify and minimum, and that doesn't include the qualifying games to Europa League, which makes it 10), and a minimum of 1 League Cup game and 1 FA Cup game, that's a 50 game season, I will even be a bit more arrogant that we will get past the firs round in FA and League which adds another 2 games in the calendar.

More than often we will be playing 2 games in a week, we will need all these players available for us to rest players, let youngsters get experience, try out new things etc etc. Factor in injury, suspension, rest, loss of form, picking specific players for specific game (my ideal situation, constantly rotate and have everyone fresh to come in and do the job, bring out their quality in games that requires their specific quality to counter the specific threat / create specific threat against that specific team), we need all the players we have. If the player is not suited to the team / league they will be out (Sahin & Oussaidi anyone? Although Oussaidi is still here, as he's still young).

Don't forget we have a lot of young players, most of them barely out of their teens and yet to hit 20, they need the rest as they're still growing up (physically), therefore it is only right to have other players in the squad that can step up. Chill fellas, we are not selling anyone yet, with the squad I see he is building, and whem everyone finally come to grip with Brendan's ideas, next season can be a very exciting one. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(M_Shahrul @ Jan 31 2013, 03:48 PM)
Yea you are right, friend. But seriously, I am ejaculated everytime Henderson is playing
along Gerrard. Its like watching porn and get you excited.
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It's one thing to profess one's man love for a player, but to openly admit that you produce "love wee" when watching them pay just makes me wonder whether you love them for the football or their looks. hmm.gif
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post Jan 31 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(M_Shahrul @ Jan 31 2013, 03:59 PM)
Football dude... Football... Haha... smile.gif
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Sure mate, Sure.

I love watching Anne Hathaway in "The Dark Knight Rises" for her brilliant portrayal of Catwoman rathe than that catsuit. Also in "Love and Other drugs" for her brave acting rather than THAT nude scene. (I can see everyone rushing to check that scene out in google / download the movie now whistling.gif ).

Yeah, I love watching them because of their talents, not the fact that they're hot. whistling.gif

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