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Model Kits Gundam & Mecha Modelling Thread V28, Excitement Embodied

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onnylam
post Mar 8 2013, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(TheAdmiral @ Mar 8 2013, 11:28 AM)
ohh they r not using the new hand????

well there r problems for both, so changing 1 for another is just swapping the problem around. Not gonna be beneficial either way
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QUOTE(acestoro @ Mar 8 2013, 11:31 AM)
wow.. if no changing of hand I may not get it.. my current one have problem holding on to the rifle.. i was hoping if they make the changes so it can grab weapon better.. japan retailing at around 6000 yen that is around the stein price more expensive and it do not come with the new hand..  rclxub.gif
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GG already updated it's pics a few times liao, if it's using the new hands, it should be 'exposed' by now. Bandai just can't resist poison their customers with this new attraction....
I studied the hands of ver Ka's, correct me if I'm wrong; there's no peg on it's hand to hold the rifle is it?

Edited: ok, not 'don't have', it's 'too small'....I see....nevertheless, prefer the new hands over 2.0, looks nicer tongue.gif

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post Mar 8 2013, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(TheAdmiral @ Mar 8 2013, 11:38 AM)
both hand hav flaws, choosing a kit base on these hands is meaningless.

old sinanju hand (aka 2.0 hand): peg to small cant hold weapon properly. Wrist is strong no droopy pose.
new hand (aka pg hand): very secure double peg system. Wrist is weak confirm droopy pose.

choose ur poison pill.......
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sadly the new MS joint is not weak at the wrist.. it is weak slightly below the wrist where you are supposed to bend it into place from the runners.. there doesn't seem to be any locking mechanism for that part sweat.gif
my old sinanju holds his rifle well enough though, not really any complaints there, plus his hand is combined with the sleeve portion so it does not droop
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post Mar 8 2013, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(HxiiiK @ Mar 8 2013, 11:43 AM)
sadly the new MS joint is not weak at the wrist.. it is weak slightly below the wrist where you are supposed to bend it into place from the runners.. there doesn't seem to be any locking mechanism for that part sweat.gif
my old sinanju holds his rifle well enough though, not really any complaints there, plus his hand is combined with the sleeve portion so it does not droop
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u cant lock it in place cuz its suppose to bend forward and backward emulating a wrist movement (i'll just call it the wrist since its doing what an actual wrist is suppose to do), the flaw is u hav to swing it up to "lock" it in place but bcuz its held up by only a ball joint, and the joint is at the bottom no less, any significant weight put on it will ensure it dislodge from its "lock".

old sinanju hand is a mixed bag, some hav problem some dont. To me the peg is too small, very difficult to get it in place. And when u do get it in place the weight of the riffle would make it very easy to dislodge from the peg.

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post Mar 8 2013, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(SniperUnit @ Mar 8 2013, 11:40 AM)
May I know why not all MS gets MG treatment? Some only released in HG only. Because not popular enough?
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in some cases, yes.

it can be said like this;
> first, the kits from a certain series are released in HG
> of all those HGs, the most popular (which most of the time, the main character MS) will get MG treatment
> later some of those very lucky MGs will get PG treatment. that is, if Bandai think it is suitable to do so.
> and latest trend is, later it will be released in RG

that's generally how it goes, although it might go the other way around, as an example the 00 Raiser gets the PG treatment right after HG and NG, and MG only comes quite a while later
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post Mar 8 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(TheAdmiral @ Mar 8 2013, 11:49 AM)
u cant lock it in place cuz its suppose to bend forward and backward emulating a wrist movement (i'll just call it the wrist since its doing what an actual wrist is suppose to do), the flaw is u hav to swing it up to "lock" it in place but bcuz its held up by only a ball joint, and the joint is at the bottom no less, any significant weight put on it will ensure it dislodge from its "lock".

old sinanju hand is a mixed bag, some hav problem some dont. To me the peg is too small, very difficult to get it in place. And when u do get it in place the weight of the riffle would make it very easy to dislodge from the peg.
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i see, there hardly seems to be any friction until it reaches a sort of 30-ish degrees downwards, then it stops right before it completely dislodges from the wrist joint

the old sinanju is okay for me, not that big of a problem.. and those pegs are always easy enough to fix, plus they hold the gun well enough.. normally the thing that causes the problem would be a dropping wrist joint, which most MSs are notorious for having.. but i have to agree that the new MS joint hands are much better and stabler in terms of holding the weapons

QUOTE(rihuhs @ Mar 8 2013, 11:54 AM)
in some cases, yes.

it can be said like this;
> first, the kits from a certain series are released in HG
> of all those HGs, the most popular (which most of the time, the main character MS) will get MG treatment
> later some of those very lucky MGs will get PG treatment. that is, if Bandai think it is suitable to do so.
> and latest trend is, later it will be released in RG

that's generally how it goes, although it might go the other way around, as an example the 00 Raiser gets the PG treatment right after HG and NG, and MG only comes quite a while later
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PG > MG is quite a stupid marketing idea, but i do love it seeing as the MG 00R has noticably fewer problems compared to the PG

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post Mar 8 2013, 12:00 PM

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Hmm.. I wonder why Bandai never Milk MG Kshatriya.. I really want one.. sad.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(rihuhs @ Mar 8 2013, 11:54 AM)
in some cases, yes.

it can be said like this;
> first, the kits from a certain series are released in HG
> of all those HGs, the most popular (which most of the time, the main character MS) will get MG treatment
> later some of those very lucky MGs will get PG treatment. that is, if Bandai think it is suitable to do so.
> and latest trend is, later it will be released in RG

that's generally how it goes, although it might go the other way around, as an example the 00 Raiser gets the PG treatment right after HG and NG, and MG only comes quite a while later
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except Justice tongue.gif

and freedom if you consider it dun have PG
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(SniperUnit @ Mar 8 2013, 11:40 AM)
May I know why not all MS gets MG treatment? Some only released in HG only. Because not popular enough?
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because to make a MG is costly, there are hundreds of HGs out there, imagine the cost to convert each into MG
plus not everyone can afford MG, nor everyone likes 1/100 scale, hence they only choose the MS that is most likely to make profit to get MG treatment
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QUOTE(leoleonheart @ Mar 8 2013, 12:00 PM)
Hmm.. I wonder why Bandai never Milk MG Kshatriya.. I really want one.. sad.gif
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is not they don't want, it's in their consideration
but with current technology a MG Kshatriya would cost a bomb, might even priced higher than MG The-O, which might not sell well
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QUOTE(leoleonheart @ Mar 8 2013, 12:00 PM)
Hmm.. I wonder why Bandai never Milk MG Kshatriya.. I really want one.. sad.gif
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this is quite an old story.

Bandai already have the MG Kshatriya prototype back at their place, but as far as the development goes, it has some structural and stability issues, maybe due to its large binders (the HG counterpart is already huge in size) and more parts & gimmicks compared to its HG, making them a lot heavier. as far as I remembered from what I've read, the prototype needs to be held by metal supporters in order to stand on its own feet... hmm.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:10 PM

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^ imagine the framing of the binders and the detailed parts separation expected of them at this time and age, the binders would be extremely heavy, therefore requiring metal joints to connect the binders, plus it has to be properly reinforced, otherwise it wouldn't be able to put all his binders up at 90 degrees, which is quite a huge consideration too.. i think it's smarter of them to abandon the project for now rather than go on with it, which would cause them to take a lot of flak for an inferior product
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(SniperUnit @ Mar 8 2013, 11:40 AM)
May I know why not all MS gets MG treatment? Some only released in HG only. Because not popular enough?
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look at it from a business perspective.

1. ppl hav high expectation for MG. For example sticker is a no no, parts-former is frown upon, inner frame must be detailed mechanically, joint must be separate without exposing too much innerframe, etc etc. As such Bandai spend alot of time and $$$ designing MG. Ppl expect them to be perfect
2. the mold used is expensive and has fix lifespan. The mold is also very sensitive, any flaws would be translated into the plastic so the mold is change often to ensure quality.
3. MG hav tons more runners then HG, so there will be more molds per design then HG.

take all these into consideration and the conclusion is this, how profitable is the design when market it to the public? If the design is not popular, it'll take a long time b4 they break even not to mention the ongoing cost of replacing molds throughout its production run. If design A dont give as much profit then design B, of cuz tey will invest their time n money into making design B instead.

HG on the other hand is much easier to produce. Its less complex, less mold per design, and while tey still constantly replace defect mold, it has less so its cheaper. Also the line cost less then MG so more ppl can afford to buy it. Thats why Bandai can afford to make outrageous stuff like Fuuinsaiki, if tey cant sell well it'll hurt their pocket less then if its a MG.

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post Mar 8 2013, 12:15 PM

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there's a reason why so far only MG Nu 1.0 has diecast metal parts whistling.gif
because to make kits with diecast metal parts is costly now, even the 2 most expensive PG don't have sweat.gif
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:17 PM

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there is a glimmer of hope for Kshatriya fans, me included.

The new frame is light weight, further improvement to this new frame may one day make MG Kshatriya a possibility without die cast or weight issue.
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(TheAdmiral @ Mar 8 2013, 12:17 PM)
there is a glimmer of hope for Kshatriya fans, me included.

The new frame is light weight, further improvement to this new frame may one day make MG Kshatriya a possibility without die cast or weight issue.
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plus 3rd parties are coming up with their own.. perhaps that may push bandai to get their own out soon
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post Mar 8 2013, 12:42 PM

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Ugh.. I am not liking the ball joint on the RG granddad's fingers. So frustrating.
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If the gundam's eyes is green colour , then it is good one ?
If the gundam's eyes is yellow colour , then it is bad one ?
Is it ???
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post Mar 8 2013, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(bazlit @ Mar 8 2013, 12:42 PM)
Ugh.. I am not liking the ball joint on the RG granddad's fingers. So frustrating.
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I believe all RG have this 3 finger split thing on...detailed and intricate for such a scale but it's kinda flimsy...i resorted to using the other fixed hands to hold the rifle and shield
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QUOTE(waikin_31 @ Mar 8 2013, 01:33 PM)
I believe all RG have this 3 finger split thing on...detailed and intricate for such a scale but it's kinda flimsy...i resorted to using the other fixed hands to hold the rifle and shield
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I wanted to do that too but the fixed hand is just a closed fist and didn't even have enough space to put the handle of the rifle or bazooka in it.

QUOTE(limyuyang @ Mar 8 2013, 01:30 PM)
If the gundam's eyes is green colour , then it is good one ?
If the gundam's eyes is yellow colour , then it is bad one ?
Is it ???
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Um, no.
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post Mar 8 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(bazlit @ Mar 8 2013, 03:02 PM)
I wanted to do that too but the fixed hand is just a closed fist and didn't even have enough space to put the handle of the rifle or bazooka in it..
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they improved since RG strike if not mistaken

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