Hi all,

I need some opinions and advise from you, and please please don't flame me.

I've read up alot and looked at the comparisons for these 3 cars, Neo CPS, Neo CPS R3 and the Lancer GT 2.0. I am aware that the Lancer is not within the same class, but these 3 cars are within my budget of RM900 a month for monthly repayment. 15k DP.

I was initially planning to settle down for just the ordinary Neo CPS as the CPS R3 offers NO performance upgrades. But after some calculations, the Lancer GT2.0 is just RM300+- for monthly repayment and Insurance+Roadtax(Including NCD).

I'm 21, single and have about RM1800 to spare each month after paying off my commitments. I need some feedback in terms of performance, handling, FC, maintainance and reliability. Shall I just settle down for just the regular CPS? Or just feel the pinch a bit more by getting a Lancer GT?

I would appreciate your feedbacks. Thank you.

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 9 2013, 06:56 PM

Go for lancer GT 2.0, more worth it by your calculation. Consider as upgrade and higher class compared to the Neo.

21 and single still have long way to go, get a better car since your done with monthly commitments.

Rm1800 after commitments. Get a lancer 2.0gt. Image and youre young, youd want a GT-tagged car.

rm1800 is ur spare? or include makan minum?

What is your salary? That deduction is after saving?

get an inspira...1.8e manual for the win!!!!!

People these days..

go for lancer gt...it can be a family car...neo also can...but more to couple car rather than family car...

u also can consider inspira...which has lower price than lancer gt

since when is the lancer GT priced similar to the Neo?

RM1800 is left behind after paying off my commitments and keeping aside for daily fuel & makan money. Not inclusive of savings.

The reason on why I need some advise is that I plan to use the car for a long time and i'm not sure if buying the Lancer would be a good idea for someone my age as I may have to pay for other things in the future. Say if I buy a 2nd hand Neo CPS, I would have an additional RM400 to spare.

What would you guys say about this?

Neo CPS R3 - RM57k +-
Lancer GT 2ND Hand - RM75k+-

If you actually read my post, you would see that I mentioned its within my budget of RM900 monthly repayment.

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 9 2013, 09:04 PM

for sure can laa..spare more than 2k is enough to maintain n abuse the car!

now it depends on ur needs...

Getting a used car you may need to reserve small portion of fund to revitalize the car, if luck is not on your side, just beware and have a thorough check

Just get used Inspira. It practically the same.
Some more, you'll get more fresh car.

Hello bro

inspira 1.8 manual yoo...im 20 driving saga flx only manual also..ady feel good..u buy cps neo also ady good..but with ur spare income for sure go to inspira 1.8m..car that is worth to use till you married..maybe about 4-6 years? then after 1 year married can get newcar ady..whole lot better car..

better buy new inspira than 2nd lancer gt ...since u ok with proton

Haha, hi bro. I guess you know why i'm here.

Keeping image/gaya aside. In terms of affordability, do you think I can afford to drive the Lancer? I need to take into monthly repayments, increased FC, maintenance, and I also need to save some cash to cover for the upcoming Road Tax+Insurance. Not only that, I will need some spare cash to keep for savings and to also live life a little. Now the question comes down to if the Lancer is affordable. Need some advise on this too also please.

The problem with 2-door cars is most of my friends sell them after they get a baby/child.
I love hatchback cars too but I also excluded 2-doors due to reason above.

wa so lucky. only 21 got 1.8k to spend aside. good good.


if i were u id choose normal neo just to be on the safe side. You can mod it aplenty?

At least alot of people familliar with proton, and u save a cash by not goin for the lancer GT.

Plus the lancer GT isnt that powerful.. and some more auto no syiok.

at the end of the day, better get a manual if u are comfortable with it. Auto gearbox tend to breakdown and cost alot more.

my 2 cents.

get insipra 1.8M.

Can get 2nd one,new manufacturing i don't know when will start again coz last year i'm hunting for this as well..only left 2010 stock but after my loan approved, the car sold out..lol..now get the neo R3..hehe..

Hmm..tell me when u will marry?

If long term, get a Neo R3.

If short term, buy another cheaper car...Persona.

Actually, Lancer/Inspira's maintenace is more higher than Neo R3..

Inspira & Persona has never interested me. The only Proton cars I love are Satrias, especially the GTi. I currently drive a Satria and would really like to own the Neo R3(M).
Im pretty sure that the R3 can't outrun the GT on the highway, but I can live with that. I just want a car which would turn heads and fun to drive as i'm still young. As for marriage, lol, not anytime soon la. Maybe 7 or 8 years time. I've not even thaught about that yet.

But anyhow, i'd also like to have a bit more cash to save up for my future. Or even go out for a nice meal once in a while. Considering my commitments and lifestyle, the Lancer would take quite a hit on my expenses. The Satria would probably be a better choice when it comes to affordability and a suitable car for my age. I also don't normally carry more than 1 passenger as my car is not built to carry more than that, so a 2 door car would not affect me in any way either.

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 10 2013, 06:44 PM

i think it can outrun the GT .. the slushboxCVT will always be in the way... Neo way better first. Then save for a better car. You said for ureself the lancer will cost more.

So you have made up your mind, congratulations

Kinda confusing, but, Well you just answer your own question bro. Since u ok with proton, Buy the Neo R3 then, what u waiting for? plus u don't often carry passenger and havent thought of getting married yet and u can save lil bit money for future use.

Yup, I took some time to think yesterday. Though its just a little extra for the GT, I would rather keep that extra cash for something else.
Sure ah it can outrun the GT?

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 10 2013, 06:54 PM

of course, if u dont mind with some mods on your car, u can easily outrun it. The neo already got 1 advantage, "RINGAN".

xdela ringan mana, but a manual one would eat it lah. chasis neo good what seriously the CVT sucks

even if it doesnt outrun it, the GT's performance isnt anything to shout about ... at all. the CVT just takes up all the usable power.

the evo X on the other hand hehe

go for the neo bro .. as you said you will have extra 400 cash in your hand.that can go into your saving.or do up your car.or you can always afford for a nice wine and dine in a while
with the chicks .and may b after 5-6 years you will sure earn more . than str8 upgrade to evo.. no need lancer .. haha

this what i mean

Ok2..go for Neo R3 !

and opt for R3 performance package...fun car ~

More importantly, its suits ur budget and gives pleasure if eat nice meal...

yeaaaa, with some chicks huh? thats what we talking about ~ hahaha.

Ada wang, ada amoi...

Rm400 can attract supermodel yooo

YEAAAA, ur the man.. hahahaha.

400* 10 - 4k man .. go to a club in kl and spend that kinda money ..
see what you go back with .. hahaha

*t*

none of the cars u mentioned can turn head

you sure bro ? haha .. even a kancil with pipe bising can turn heads... wat follows next is another story ..

Hahahah

ahaks! i no car no money also turns amoi head what?

coz you look like this

hahaha! wait till u meet me in person...hehehe

u will definitely laugh! hahaha

tough choice la TS...hehehe...i will go for neo r3

Lol, this made me laugh. Yeah i mean, it seems more reasonable to wait till I have more cash to spare to get a higher priced car. Neo R3 would definitely be a damn good plus point for the chicks

Opting for R3 performance parts would be great, but I don't know how would the power gain against fuel consumption be. Anyone got experience in this?
Was driving behing a CPS R3 earlier, looks damn chun. But kinda wished the spoiler looked like the CPS one.

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 10 2013, 08:23 PM

u can change them to CPS one...i give u my CPS spoiler...u give me or R3 spoiler...deal?

Muka DJ market...wkwkwkwk

i want....divide by two?

aiseyh...u change with him la amriey! ekekeke

p/s: how is PC oil eyh?

hahahah..nanti sy nego ngn dia~

PC? okay gak..good oils...semi can go 10k km or 6 months change...
I will add u in PC fb group..can check some details here~ ^^

Short term = Neo CPS R3
Long term = Lancer GT

You don't want your future wife or mother in law to sit in the cramped back seat of Neo.
Even kids know how to appreciate the spacious rear seat

Proton car buying new or used almost same. Just a matter of how the previous owner take care of it

i have modded my cps and it improves fuel economy. not by much though but still there is improvement in both performance and fuel consumption - did not change my driving style to achieve better consumption. my parts are all r3. except for air filter and plugs which they don't have.

nowdays there is a lot of performance packages for a campro bro . spoiler oni can either get it or exchange wit ppl la..not a big deal rite.hehe
if you are wondering what kinda upgrades available.look for it in fb la.one that i would recommend is G Car Care PJ . just check out their fb page.

Bigger car means the in-laws keep asking you to carry them or some big hardware (like ladder or TV or Ikea). Get a smaller car and destroy their hope of asking you to carry random stuff.

Plus you never know the CVT gearbox condition in the 2nd hand Lancer GT until you own it and cry.

A Neo CPS R3 manual sounds safer than 2nd hand CVT.

Lots of negative feedbacks for the Lancer GT. Thanks for the feedbacks guys, saved me from making a potentially bad choice and wasting a lot of money.

"Destroy their hope", lol. In-laws and kids are the least of my concerns because I still have a couple more years until I can even think of getting married. And i'm pretty sure i'd be able to afford a better car at that time. For now, looking at the responses, the Neo is definitely the best choice in terms of affordability and reliability. If everything goes smooth, i'll be posting a picture of it soon

Checked out the R3 Performance Package online from Proton, RM10,499. Freakin expensive! I don't think i'd be able to afford the entire package.

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 11 2013, 06:21 PM

try to adjust with ur SA about the package...maybe they can add to the loan as well...my fren just submit the loan together....

This


U confidently can afford lancer gt...but u cant fork out 10k if buy neo???

i lol at this....

r u sure u can afford lancer gt...i mean if u really2 have 1.8k spare per month, juz wait another 5 month n go buy neo n upgrade it...simple

i knew that 10k for the package is not worth at all plus expensive (with some amount budget u can get much2 better hp n torque gain) ...

You obviously did not read this entire thread well. The reason why I posted this thread was because I wanted to get some feedback if the Lancer GT is affordable for me or just settle down for something slightly cheaper.

Keep aside adding the perforrmance package into my loan, you're trying to differentiate monthly repayment and a onetime purchase of RM10k? Seriously?

With that price, I think you can get an used 308T also. It has the look as well as performance. It is just that the brand is not really associated with reliability.

really ah...what is so difference? u pay 10k with neo also almost same as u buy USED lancer gt ..bcoz r sure that lancer gt wont bring u prob?...used car..please..

n i bet the cheapest u can get lancer gt is around 70k...10k differ than new neo...

forgive me if my thinking is incorrect...



still...if u think u can afford..juz buy it..u r the one who drive it...i'm not side of lancer gt nor neo...both car for me are great..choose wisely bro...

Trust me, driving a satria and a lancer/inspira is two different experience altogether.

Both cars are fast, despite the CVT.

Those who say lancer gt/inspira is slow because of the CVT obviously do not have the cars.

Source - I've got a satria, and an inspira.

bro,i would suggest you dont go for the R3 upgrage package.its too expensive . you dont get what u pay for..
as i said..try to look around. with 10k.you can get a supercharger kit...and u will be smoking some small vtec's already .. hehe ..

agreed,here some poison to TS..hehe..

Jelly

and Melly

both are same basically,just from different shop..

the stage 1 r3 kit (full exhaust and ecu) cost me less than rm3k, wonder what you get with the 10k. only thing not done on my car were the cams. so, i think it is pretty affordable.

This post has been edited by lowpro: Jan 13 2013, 06:47 PM

Noob_whitecps & angrysnail, are the supercharger kits reliable? I don't have much knowledge in these things, but I would like to know if it could cause any kinds of damage towards my engine. And are they street legal? Will JPJ disturb if I were to get something like this fixed?

from a sheet,this kits reliable than turbo because it doesn't touch ur exhaust system at all,so no extra piping,no bumper removal,not touch ur lubrication system like turbo,low boost 0.6 which original internal can safely stand and this kits come with sprintex own piggyback..proton also have their own concept car running this sprintex..if u want more powergain,go for turbo..since ppl say it cheap..why?since roughly turbo kit with install=RM6500++,management+tuning cost u other RM2000++ but yes..cheap a thousand than SC with more HP..

for this,its legal since u just mod original engine..

Here some poison..hehe..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSJPhq5ewf8

This post has been edited by angrysnail: Jan 13 2013, 12:50 PM

get a sedan,still useable when you are married.

Good find. Thanks bro, i'll look into it.

And thank you to all of you who has contributed in this thread.

putting on turbo/supercharge izzit will not lower the handling capability ?
cant it be tune to become super NA machine? not sure how (maybe full race cam + extreme head job + stand alone ECU + etc secret recipe), coz by maintain its as NA will maintain its handling capability which its forte..

or maybe super NA for neo R3 isn't powerful enough ?

eyh? i cant understand la

ehh.. which statement ya

the one that i quote...hehehe

all of it?
hermm.. putting turbo/super charge maybe?

what do u mean by super NA? hehehe

i tried NA original r3 clubsport before...its powerful enough for beginner like me...but im looking for more power
tested the cps r3 2011 as well...also gives a good smile during touge session...also looking for more power
n i also tested campro turbo on neo...the handling not downgraded at all...

i wonder what are the cons of supercharger? if can supercharge my ride sure syiok

for handling..na still the best choice..smooth power..but have to invest more to get more power. not as easy as sc or turbo. there's a reason why toyota 86 didnt use turbo or sc.

Super NA means highly mod without using force induction system..
last time i did see neo turbocharge, but the acceleration not as good as 4g93 SOHC manual with lightly mod (intake system + exhaust system + trinity clutch plate + e-manage), not sure why ? maybe neo boost set at low boost (eg 0.5-0.7 bar), or maybe driver fault.. not sure which one

for touge session of course NA have better handling, try increase ur car torque instead of hp.. handling downgrade when turbo/super charge it because power not lateral anymore, that suddenly boost power/torque will make ur car harder to control when full throttle especially while cornering..

but for supercharge, it has large displacement effect means the power not as sudden as turbocharge, its like 1600cc when supercharge it u will feel its like 2000cc torque/pick-up/acceleration.. but the issue when at high RPM, some say it will burden back the engine load (like aircon compressor load, when u trun off while high rpm ur engine seem lighter right?)

correct me if i'm wrong sifu's

for the neo turbo vs 4g93 sohc i can confirm that if the driver is me hehehe the neo turbo has more pickup...the neo turbo tat i test the boost is below 1bar...n the power not that sudden...unlike 250hp turbo cars...it is just nice...n the neo chassis i believe can withstand those 220hp with no issue...

im not sure about aircon comp etc thingy cos we dun use AC while tougeing...

lat time i also think like u about TC/SC thnigy...but after drove one...it makes me think otherwise...

make sure everything is good to feel the power...not just engine mod

For turbo i should say it is reliable as there are ppl who have been using it for around 5 years without any problem.there are some experts out there in camproturbo.
and for supercharger i guess it should not b a problem as its just something plug and play and with a very low boost . but turbo or NA if you dont know how to take care of your car or drive like a nut of coz you gonna pay the price at the end of the day. some ppl use standard engine aso can use untill engine kong. its their attitude.take care of ur car like ur wife.and ur wife like ur car.. car drive slow .. wife drive "hard" :PPPP
and as for handling i guess turbo or NA both should not be a problem because as it is neo is already something that handles good.
comparable with conti cars as well . and with some nice tyres , adjustable suspensions and some bars it will b handling better.
and it also depend on what you want. if you are more to a drag kinda person who like high speeds and sudden increase in accelaration , than you go for turbo la.
but if u prefer a nice long drive , touge and this kinda thing u go for NA , personal preferece bro . or kalau ur fine with the power.
10 k invest in body kits , rims , ICE can play show car ready .. hehe ..

the neo turbo i found i'm not sure how much hp does it have.. his owner is one of my group member when we go for TT last time.. he actually quite surprise that 4g93 sohc can side by side with his neo turbo when all our geng member start to accelerate after tol (cant remember where, but its a new highway n rarely vehicle use it, and it has very long straight road)

the supercharge unit i explain before will burden the engine like using aircon at high rpm, i'm nat saying using aircon while tougeing

if me i will upgrade
1. suspension system (adjustable, lower arm bar, bigger ARB for rear, adjustable camber plate etc)
2. braking system (racing disc + racing pad, i use AXT Turbo disc once with endless SSS brake pad, it is really a good combination when compare using AXT Turbo brake pad)
3. drivetrain (triniti clutch plate and its clutch cover)
3. then upgrade engine power (last time i did upgrade intake n exhaust system only, engine stock standard)

owh...maybe that 4g93 is different or maybe got toyol etc ehehehe....

for the aircond thingy i really dunno...but if tougeing also in high rpm all the time that means the AC will kaput?

wat car r u driving anyway?

nice..now i have neo R3 and wira asti aeroback(4g13)..looks like my wira will be 4g92 or 93 sohc soon..hehe..

n i got 4g93 sohc...so-so only honestly...maybe with those toyol like amad frens has...\

ur neo r3 is the 2013 rite?

yup bro..2013 manufactured..the 2011 one COE call them Neo R3 RS..toyol?..hehe..mybe use 92 block..rojak2 GB ratio..

ahaks...but with satria lite body...the engine got potential...

the r3 2013 also a good platform to mod...hehehe

now using vios only, last time i use wira sedan track car.. daily only using motorcycle.. huhu.. sold oredy that wira to my friend, really miss the adrenalin rush when driving it.. retire oredy coz having a baby now..
that wira can only clock 2min and 50s for whole sepang circuit timing, its 0-100 is 8sec flat.. that's the best i and wira can do, but the engine still in stock condition (no mod except for open pod air filter and 2' piping), concentrate more on braking, handling and drivetrain.. power comes last.. hehe

about compressor will kaput i think compressor from half-cut shop last longer then buy new.. that's my experience with wira, other cars not sure..

i'm not into heavy mod with this satria but sprintex mybe?..
..i get enough with my wira,mod this and that all JDM but engine still prefer less FC..my 10 years 1.3 engine perform really well..fc is like rm30 for 200km..

hehehe...yupps...the sprintex is something that is worth to get...but "some" people will adv u to change engine! hehehe...

haha..i know..1.8 GSR CK?..or evo 6?..now just wanna keep originality of R3..wanna play mitsu i drive my wira asti lo..

This post has been edited by angrysnail: Jan 17 2013, 11:28 PM

yupps...neo should play with proton originality...i dun like main tipu with different engine...hehehe

Unless that ori engine kong or maintenance become higher and higher than can consider to change better/more hp engine..if no,just enjoy the sprintex..hehe..

no toyol bro, seriously

swaps directly evo 6 engine !!

u serious without toyol? hahaha...u know how much is the 4g93 sohc hp? more or less 110hp...similar to campro...n if bolt on turbo on campro can not makan 4g93sohc almost standard...its either epic story or that turbo didnt tekan...ok2...dun want to speculate more...hehhe...hopefully can meet up with that car in the future...so can become frens...

yup.. sure no problem bro.. the car now at section 2 shah alam.. grey in color with black sport rims.. that's why i'm not sure how much that neo turbo hps.. maybe that time his engine got problem?
its not about hps, some say torque win the races

Plonk a heavier 1.8T CM5A into a Neo chassis and turn it into a happy dawg which tail wagging at every opportunity.
Last time it was on my friend's project. Moved the battery to the rear, bars, adjustable suspension and using heavier rear rim also cannot get the desired handling.
Maybe the 30K Ohlins will do .
The idea of a good car is a balance in power and weight distribution.
Low boost on BOT or Sprintex with aftermarket internal is more like it. Aizat's BOT Campro (lowered yellow Neo) boosting at 0.7 bar had been around for few years

Just checked out this Youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdvy-wRTjzA

I understand that the CPS is an automatic, but why couldn't it outrun the Myvi 1.3?
To all the Neo CPS over here, what cars have you guys trashed on the road?

This post has been edited by Papercut117: Jan 18 2013, 06:18 PM

lol! myvi cant count one la...cos myvi can fly