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Malaysia Malaysian employers practise racial bigotry, study showsBy Debra Chong
Assistant News EditorNov 02, 2012 KUALA LUMPUR, Nov 2 — Malaysian employers tend to favour Chinese job applicants over their Malay counterparts, a recent university study has shown, indicating racial discrimination underscores the hiring process in the private sector labour market.

In their joint research, Universiti Malaya (UM) senior lecturer in development studies Dr Lee Hwok Aun and Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (UKM) research fellow Dr Muhammed Abdul Khalid found that fresh Chinese graduates are more likely to be called for a job interview based on their resumes compared to Malays.


File photo of a Workers’ Day rally in Kuala Lumpur. Two academics found that there is racial discrimination in the hiring process based on an experiment they had conducted.“Our findings suggest that employers are generally predisposed favourably towards Chinese, substantially due to compatibility factors and unobservable qualities not revealed in job applications, and are more selective towards Malays, which results in fewer but considerably qualified applicants getting callbacks,” the duo stated in an abstract of their seminar paper being presented at UM today.

The two academics said they had conducted a field experiment by sending made-up resumes of fresh Malay and Chinese graduates to real job advertisements.

From their research, Lee and Muhammed Abdul found that while both Malay and Chinese graduates who listed Chinese-language proficiency and stated that they graduated from a certain university were likely to increase their chances to be called for an interview, yet employers — especially those that were Chinese-controlled or foreign-run — were significantly inclined to pick the Chinese applicant.They noted that the racial discrimination was sharper in engineering jobs than in the accounting or finance sector.

They also found that in the engineering industry, Malays were most likely to be rejected by foreign-controlled companies, followed by Malay-controlled companies and lastly Chinese-controlled firms.However, they said their data does not directly show the motif of the racial discrimination in the hiring process based on the experiment they had conducted.

Lee and Muhammed Abdul are presenting their paper, titled “Does race matter in getting an interview? A field experiment of hiring discrimination in Peninsular Malaysia”, at UM’s Economics and Administration Faculty at 10am.

Malaysia’s mushrooming local higher education institutions churned out a total 184,581 graduates last year, according to the latest statistics released on the Higher Education Ministry’s website. Of that figure, 44,391 people or 24 per cent are unemployed. The Najib administration has set aside some RM500 million in its Budget 2013 to spend on jobless youths to make them marketable.

Human rights group Proham — formed by influential former members of the Human Rights Commission of Malaysia and the Police Commission — has been urging Putrajaya to ratify the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination 1969 (ICERD), which it suggests will be a positive step to resolve the existing racial bigotry in the country than sweeping it under the carpet.

Its chairman Tan Sri Simon Sipaun stressed that racial discrimination was a form of human rights violation that triggers a “brain drain” situation and stands in the way of Malaysia’s progress in today’s competitive world.

“There are no less than 1.5 million Malaysians with tertiary education who have left the country,” he said in a statement two days ago, adding that it “stunts meritocracy”.

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DID THIS NEWS SURPRISE YOU?

Nope.

It is pretty common nowadays especially in china man company with exception to most MNC which practize meritocracy!

This post has been edited by you90: Jan 9 2013, 10:06 AM

No, I wasn't surprised at all.

Show this article to our beloved Education Minister

What for ? he is leaving his seat soon once GE happened, then it will be a new guy from god knows which party/PR or BN, and he too will sit there for how long ?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 9 2013, 11:43 AM

I happen to believe, ah moi now get their own wang.

Hmmm... the article seems to suggest that Malays are discriminated against in the private sector but paradoxically more Chinese migrate out of Malaysia than Malays. If Chinese is so much favored upon then they wouldnt try to leave the country en masse...

My 2 cents

1) Top performing Malays are the most highly sought after and the most highly paid in many industries. Why?

[a]Scarcity of good quality Malay employees.
[ Because many private companies in Malaysia are not excactly private, they either have customers that are linked to the public sector or are heavily owned by EPF/PNB etc. So Malays are highly preferrable in situations that you need to deal with the public sector people.
[c] There is an explicit quota for Malays to be hired. Of course they would want to hire the best Malays to fill the quota.

I've been rejected for a job purely because they needed a Malay headcount to fill the job. So... can't help it.

2) There are many above average Chinese. For many reasons, the quality of the graduates on average are of better quality. This might be arguable but at least based on what I see in various companies - from MNC to chinaman. Our team tried to hire Malay as much as possible. Honestly. It was better for our business. But it wasn't easy. Our team now has 50% Malay and these are really highly sought after peopl in the industry.

3) On the issue of discrimination... I think one of the problems is that there are too many fresh graduates now and too few jobs that grad think are suitable. There's a misalignment in what market needs and what market is producing now. Hence, good jobs are scarce. People who don't make the cut feel bitter about it. It is easy to resolve that discrimination was main reason why one couldnt get a job. While this might be true for some cases, I'm sure some chinese bosses would as much as possible construct a chinese only team. But, the same could be said for the other races as well. This is not unique to Malaysia. I see a banking team in Singapore (foreign name) trying to construct a team that is filled only by Indians too. Many would think that they discriminate agaisnt the local Chinese in SG. But in fact, it's because the indians are willing to work much harder, are smart and are willing to accept a smaller pay package. So, when jobs are scarce. Companies can afford to pay less and hire more above average candidates in general regardless of race. Many average candidates will feel discriminatd against.

4) Try not to be average... The fresh graduates in Malaysia has a lot of work to do to catch up with their peers, i.e.. Singaporean. No point comparing against other aseans countries with much lower labor cost. If you work hard enough, get a good degree, a set of good results, have good English proficiency and a good attitude, you won't have to worry about being discriminated by 1 or 2 companies because of your skin color. Many others will want to hire you.

I've seen so many appalling CVs and coverletters, you won't believe it. Example 1: CV with 1/4 of it filled with a name in 36 sized fonts, example 2: cover letter that started with which hospital she was being delivered, example 3: CV and cover letter that come in power point format.... Most of them are from Malay candidates unfortunately. But that being said, there are more Malay fresh graduate applicants. It's a pity that their Universities haven't taught them simple skills to apply for jobs. These universities didnt even expose them to channels in which they could get some tips. Some were not even aware that English is the common language in a workplace and hence asked for interviews to be conducted in Malay.

5) On our education system and other policies that are set based on racial criteria... sigh. It's been around for ages and must be addressed one day. I believe equality means that everyone should deserve the same rights not dependable on their race. But these policy changes will take a long time to sort out. As individuals, you can vote or join the politics to express your views or leave the country in the long run. In the meantime, work on the other areas in which you can improve on if you decide to stay and fight for a job in Malaysia.

I truely hope for a 1Malaysia someday. A great concept by Mckinsey but being misused nowadays. Egalitarianism brings prosperity and peace.

The study actually show foreign own companies, MNCs actually prefer chinese too jsut like chinaman

Nope, been there. My wife have the same experience.

i also have heard certain MNC managed by malay favoring malays candidates, wheres the research on that? must all be chinese issue now?

I like fletcherwind's thought. It is not a coincidence that govt of malaysia hence needs to in addition to employ 10% of the workforce have to tasked itself in creating a lot of PLCs, either bought in using Khazanah, PNB, EPF, etc. or greate a long list of GLCs. Else? how majority of the workforce will be employed and how unemployment rate can be controlled.

While it is great way to ensure employment since private companies couldn't care less. How long can this go on as Malaysia has already been criticised of being too involved in Economy. But I think we have no choice, and it can still work as western free market system has shown to be increasingly flawed while Asian unique blend of country management is showing its merits as all hope now rests in ASIA: China, India, SEA

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 9 2013, 12:16 PM

EnergyAnalyst,

Until the whole "House of Cards" collapses in one shot, then, some people should wonder is that really better?? Keep people PROTECTED for 40+ years so that when the protection collapses in one shot, they are INCAPABLE of survival.

We will find out soon enough. The end is near.

Dreamer

manaadajpeg

scenario oni happen in SME business.

Await in anticipation...when the end comes, it can only mean a new beginning...of something wonderful, painful but wonderful, phoenix rise from ashes?

Good, because SME is the pulse of our economy and will ring true for many other countries too

Yes, I'm surprise!

Nova80 is a good reader, I grant him that!

lol, wat to do, too many "special uni" out there for "bumi"

Yaloh napoli26,

uni is the stepping stone, u have to have it first
-going though the motion-before job placement take place. and with the sheer size of the majority, u need to increase the uni placement hence more special uni,

Kalau tidak, macam mana?

This also need to depend on university to teach ar?
People with some analytical skills would know how to do it properly enough la especially after a few rejections. If you didn't bother to ask why you're chosen and/or how you did during the interview (asking for feedback) then you shouldn't blame university or anyone else that you can't get a job.

Later finding life partners, house, have babies also wanna blame university/government because they never teach us.

If the job market is racist, then Chinese should be at the lower end of the stick. I mean people like Taib Mahmud can easily create 1000 IT companies and hire Malays. Dr. M can create another 1000 more IT firms and hire malays and Najib can also do the same thing.

Things don't look good for Chinese man.....not good at all. Being racist does not benefit Chinese.

there is nothing to celebrate here, it is just a survey to reveal what is known, suspected? It does not make any C r M or even I or other ehthnics feel any better necessarily. At the end of the day, this survey is done to determine if race is a determining factor in hiring , and it is, so should we take this fact and say phew I am safe-C, or shit I am screwed-M. and leave it as it is, Absolutely no, it just show the facts whatever race you are, opportnities reside at different places. Take advantage of where your chances are abundant

what people should also focus on is why even high incident of Malay companies "discriminate" against hiring Malays as indicated in this "survey".

Racial profiling is the least of the worries to the country when this is happening.

http://www.thesundaily.my/news/583979

CHINA-MAN companies, nobody would wanna work there , if you have got no choice then work for 3to 6 months then you can hop LIAO

If i were decent educated Malay, i would join GLCs or Government , what for working for those China-man companies? peanut pay, need to work like dog, and most importantly, they always think that you should OT unlimited just because the RM 1500 being offered IS SO MUCH.

They will most like say, "WHEN MY TIME AH, i was paid RM 500 as fresh.

PUI

You should ask yourself what are going to do about this.

Your next action should tell yourself what kind of person you are and what kind of country you want.

If you keep on double parking when fetching your kids from school, there's a big chance your kids will end up to be a douche like you too.

My humble opinion is that M race is relatively easier to get into local university (through matriculation program and quota) , despite that their C race counterpart have a better qualification, for example, better academic result and able to master multiple languages... So I suppose we should not be surprised if one generalizes that a C race graduate is more competent than the other one, specifically in sciences & mathematics/engineering.. C needs to work really hard to get into these so-called top university in Malaysia.

Michael_Light,

Beyond that, everyone know that there is a double grading system in IPTA. Certain group of people can get an A easier than other group. So, if you get 2 applicants with same CGPA from IPTA, M versus C, which one do you think is more qualified?? Ditto on SPM and so on...

God / Karma exists. Justice will be served.

Dreamer

EnergyAnalyst,

<<It is not a coincidence that govt of malaysia hence needs to in addition to employ 10% of the workforce have to tasked itself in creating a lot of PLCs, either bought in using Khazanah, PNB, EPF, etc. or greate a long list of GLCs.>>

You do know that every time that the government do this. They start forcing the non-bumi out and stop hiring non-bumi. And, they turned those places into 90+%. This has been going on for 40+ years. This is a lot of bad Karma.

God / Karma exists. Justice will be served.

Dreamer

@hercules899
All companies whether CHINA-MAN companies, Foreign or bumi owned give out peanut pay, need to work like dog, and most importantly, they always think that you should Be grateful to work OT and appreciative of your low pay. Not much or very little difference.

@michael light, you have a point , making things easier for some through the system may have been the result of this....in real workplace, every employers are demanding and generally are not compelled to make working life 'easy
'... And that may influence their decision in choosing who they expect can take on hard work and endure.

@dreamer101. Double standards before you graduate, double standard after you graduates. Double standard will remain. To think new government can actually change that, is really something quite far fetch...keadilan seek for keadilan but would they really make an adil malaysia? Only time will tell

EnergyAnalyst,

1) OBVIOUSLY, you do not believe in God / Karma. What makes you THINK that any government is more powerful than God / Karma??

2) Regardless of whether the government changes, the end is near. 90+% is not sustainable. Malaysia government is running out of Oil Money and they will all die. This is how God / Karma works. Justice will be served.

<<@dreamer101. Double standards before you graduate, double standard after you graduates. Double standard will remain.>>

3) Who get hurt in the process?? My family had succeeded because of the DISCRIMINATION by NEP. Meanwhile, the PROTECTED group are barely survive by the protection after 40+ years. Justice is done.

Dreamer

Hi all, read this.
http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2012/04/...aysian.html?m=1

Honestly I do believe in god and karma but like most religious people, I really despise those who suddenly acquire " holier thy thou" thinking and start judging and labelling others ' obviously you do not believe....'

Which religion god gives u that , which god teach you to be so "humble'? Which religion judges people freely like that even Christian and Muslim believe only God can judge and also not until judgement day. So unless you have constructive comments, please stop skewing this topic to sensitive and touchy subject of faith and race. I started this topic to just reveal facts of a study and hope you are kind enough to do only two things. Identify the problem and offer a solution.

p/s no body dies and makes u a messiah, stop being a self proclaim hero, u are hallucinating bro!

EnergyAnalyst,

<<Which religion judges people freely like that even Christian and Muslim believe only God can judge and also not until judgement day. >>

1) Yes, only God can judge in that religion.

2) Where in Christianity and Islam that say you can ONLY be punished after you die?? The religion say that you will be punished at judgment day. But, it did not say you will not be punished before you die too.

<<So unless you have constructive comments,>>

3) This is HIGHLY constructive. It shows that NOBODY can escape punishment from God / Karma if they discriminate. If the protected group with the full power of government plus trillions of Oil Money still will be punished, WHY should they be afraid that they will be discriminated by Chinese?? Chinese will be punished by God / Karma too if they DISCRIMINATE.

<<Identify the problem and offer a solution. >>

4) We know THE PROBLEM. And, it will be solved soon when all the 90+% dies. It will serve as WAKE UP call to everyone that TREATING EVERYONE FAIRLY is not "nice to have".

<<p/s no body dies and makes u a messiah, stop being a self proclaim hero, u are hallucinating bro!>>

5) Who is hallucinating?? It must be YOU?? Somebody that BELIEVE the government can BAILOUT those 90+% places with Oil Money INDEFINITELY.

6) Even with RECORD OIL PRICE, the government increase the debt by 40+ billions aka 10% last year. And, YOU think that this is SUSTAINABLE??

7) Who is judging who??

I am just stating an OBVIOUS observations.

A) People that had been DISCRIMINATED against over this 40+ years had made significant progress and very successful

B) People that DISCRIMINATED are not doing very well after 40+ years.

Are you arguing that my observations are wrong??

The truth will set you free.

Dreamer

Sometimes it is not the $$$ n the easy lifestyle that entice ppl.. It is the challenge, exposure and experience..

In a well run country, no way gov sector pay better than private.. But in msia it is better or at parity..

Meritocracy is gone, when it is gone ppl will hire based on certain perception.. In msia's case, skin colour which to a certain extent is right.. Although malays are less competent due to culture n up bringing but it is the mixing of the competent ones wif useless ones os the main problem..

High achieving malay is able to get a degree n so do less competent ones from degree factories like mara n uitm.. And to rub salt, malays are the majority in this country so after a while, hr r not willing to even consider after going through too many useless ones

"Double grading in IPTA" is a strong statement. Any relative links on that?

EnergyAnalyst,

<< I AM A GOOD RELIGIOUS DUDE THAT WILL NEVER JUDGE PEOPLE WRONG,>>

This answers my question.

You have NO MORALITY and you stand for NOTHING.

<< IT IS NOT MY PLACE TO DO SO, WHO AM I TO LABEL THAT, THE LEGAL & COURT SYSTEM ALSO WILL PRESUME INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY >>>>

So, WHOEVER in power can do whatever they want to you. As long as it is LEGAL, it is RIGHT.


<< I AM A GOOD RELIGIOUS DUDE THAT WILL NEVER JUDGE PEOPLE WRONG,>>

Now, how can YOU be a good RELIGIOUS person if you have NO MORALITY?? Aka, no sense of RIGHT and WRONG??

So, someone can kick you out of your job and your business because of your race as long as it is the law. It does not matter whether it is RIGHT or WRONG by your religion.

Dreamer

WOW big words from a big guy who still know nothing about humility.

Now not only I am according to you obviously non-believer in God and karma, i am accused some more of no moral, stand for nothing ,WHOEVER in power can do whatever they want to me, no sense of RIGHT and WRONG. ANY MORE?

Boy, you are really something, and I hope karma that you have created here come back and reward you dearly

EnergyAnalyst,

<<WOW big words from a big guy who still know nothing about humility.>>

I understand you perfectly. You ASSUME that humility is a virtue. I don't.

I wish you best of luck...

Dreamer

OK, thanks.

I hope this is practiced more widely in malaysia including all mnc and sme save fir glc. This will send a strong msg to the malay and msian gov to buck up attitude and education or risk churning out unemployable grads.

But that's not happening, is it ?
They are all for themselves. Who cares about the other malays?
Nobody thats who! Not the chinese not the indians not the gov and certainly not the rich malay cronis.
The malays are killing themselves to begin with and you think taib etc will help you ?
Hahaha

Then you go work for CHINA-MAN companies please, but I bet you are not and will not. It is already a proven fact that MNC is so much better than china-man companies.

I have for 8 years with Chinaman co. and now 7 with European MNC co. and it is same sh*t different place

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 10 2013, 08:33 PM

i definitely think this is totally not true.

Dern, care to elaborate why u think so?

Walk into 5 big IT/Auditing/Manufacturing/Consulting MNC's n take a look around, u will have ur answer...

Y susah2 wana argue...

This post has been edited by all blacks: Jan 11 2013, 02:31 AM

NOT Surprised at all. It's a known fact!

It's just like the fact that non-bumi Malaysians are not entitled to 7% discount when purchasing new property. Isn't this a CLEAR discrimination as well?

Both Bumi Malaysian and non-bumi Malaysian go to purchase a house from the same developer in the same project. One pays 7% cheaper eventhough he/she might be richer than the non-bumi!

I think the two professors should go and do this research as well.

So the conclusion is what goes around comes around or reap the seed that you sowed?!

I don't blame the employers, if the universities continously have a certain quota for university admission, then it will just give the impression that the graduates are not that good and that they're only there because of their race.

That's right , just like QC, if can , everyone wants Highest quality at lowest or same price, so business reality is like that.

so, if complain here, complain there, whats the conclusion??? better go die la... sigh...

but, i do have experience working in M firm, C own firm n know MNC... all having the same probs.. each of them claims there are fair enough in giving out promotion & increament... but, after talking around, its bullshit... only the one who can"kipas" bos will get more, in wherever firm/co it is...

wow kokakopi

Ini baru betul, kipas kuat kuat ya semua, lagi kuat kipas lagi cepat naik, Pakai KIPAS Sanyo kalau mau cepat promo

Drian,

It is actually worst than that for BUMI student. Above average and average BUMI student get scholarship to study oversea. What is left behind, then, sent to IPTA.

Meanwhile, you can have Above Average and Average non-bumi student go to IPTA because the lack of money and quota.

Current system is designed to send Above Average non-bumi student to study along with below average bumi student in IPTA. But, everyone get the same grade and graduated because of the special 2 tiers grading system in IPTA.

So, if you are an employer reading CV / Resume from a bumi student and a non-bumi student with same CGPA from IPTA, WHO do you think that you should hire??

Above average people in NON-BUMI group or below average people in BUMI group??

God / Karma has a way to make sure that JUSTICE are served and everything even out.

When a group of people CHOOSE to discriminate OTHERS, they are harmed by the system that they created.

Dreamer

Superbly agreed..!!

Sadly, although the aim of the policies were to help the majority group. these policies were short term in effect. They were designed this way because they would have achieved the best effect on their political career. So the elites of the majority group have, at the expense of the people whom they were representing, risen in their political career.

It's sad that the majority group isn't aware of it because the so called policies have only helped them in the short term. When the ill effects set in many many years later, most of them won't remember the root cause of the problem. Which is that the affirmative actions have caused not only them to suffer but also every single working class Malaysian regardless of races. The policies have resulted in Malays still not feeling happy about where they are now and disgruntled other races feeling discriminated against and try to flee to another country. The policies were so poorly designed that they have structurally divided Malaysians and left no winners for any races.

And Malaysians are still not mature enough to understand what policies are right for them in the long run even up till today. You have fresh graduates thinking that fairness means if someone else have a job that I want means I deserve one too. You have government servants who pressured the government to reverse a meritocracy system that the government wanted to implement for better efficiency. Fairness to these people mean getting the same reward regardless of the amount of effort one spent. These people are very ill informed and ignorant. They don't realise that the "cause" of their actions in wanting short term gain policies have resulted in later problems - the "effects". Can we blame them? we probably can partially. But to a large extent, they were never exposed or educated on voting for the right policies for their future generation and themselves. It is difficult to suddenly lift the awareness of such a big group of population in a short time.

I think the God/karma talk is too harsh and probably unfair to them. I don't think the majority of Malays tries to structurally exploit the other races. Rotten apples are everywhere of course, there are evil people in every race. I believe inherently, they would want to be nice and fair too. But the constant misguidance in the right way to think, lacking the real understanding of economics, politics and social science knowledge, have caused them to feel that their opportunities were being taken away from them. Some also possess a false sense of entitlement which is bewildering. I don't think that they will feel victimised in the current society if they were to have access and understand the truth of what the policies have done to us.

@dreamer, your karma talk suggests that when one has done something bad, one would receive a punishment. I think this is not applicable here and probably spread unnecessary hatred. I don't think the Malays unscrupulously picked these set of policies because they ended up not being winners in the end too. In the early days, Chinese were probably ultra proctective of their trade interest and had some discriminating unsaid rules marginalising other races too. Let's just cut the cr*p about finding who to blame. The bottom line is that these policies aren't helping anyone. Let's have a change and pick a set that at least have some collective benefits.

fletcherwind,

<<I think the God/karma talk is too harsh and probably unfair to them. I don't think the majority of Malays tries to structurally exploit the other races. >>

Where are you from and how old are you??

I am from Klang. And, my family had lived in Klang for at least 150+ years. The impact of NEP is lessen when it is further away from Klang valley.

<<In the early days, Chinese were probably ultra proctective of their trade interest and had some discriminating unsaid rules marginalising other races too.>>

This is a bunch BS and LIES propagated by those people. 60+% of Malaysia is owned by FOREIGNERS. So, how could Chinese do anything to anyone?? This is from OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT statistic.

Please note that we have 1.2 millions civil servants, a few hundred thousands working for GLC. 300K in FELDA settlers. This is 1.5 millions to 2 millions of one group of people. Other than FELDA, at least 1.5 millions of them carry out law and procedure to FORCE non-bumi out of government and GLC over this 40+ years until it is 90+ % now. At the minimal, they are GUILTY of "closed one eye". More than that, they are the VOTER BASE of UMNO. Without them, UMNO cannot stay in power.

What kind of human beings that BELIEVE even though they are only 50+% of the population but they DESERVE 90+% of everything?? Any DECENT human being will know that it is UNFAIR

<<@dreamer, your karma talk suggests that when one has done something bad, one would receive a punishment. >>

They are THE GOVERNMENT, ARMY, POLICE and so on. They FORCED 1.5 millions of their own citizens to leave their home, business, jobs, and country over this 40+ years by their action or implicit approval. Why do they THINK that they will not be punished by God / Karma??

Between 1940 to 1945, 50% of Chinese in Malaya and Singapore were massacred by Japanese soldiers during WWII. In the 1960s, life expectancy of Urban Chinese male was 50 years old. 1/3 of my SRJK© primary school classmates loss their father. My father passed away when he was 49 years old. But, this is common among my community. My mother raised 6 children on her own.

The TRUTH is Chinese were the SCAPEGOAT for the ruling elite to divide and conquer. Most of Malaysia were owned by foreigner. Urban Chinese were poor and many families has only single parent. Now, on top of this, they are being systematically forced out of their job and business by their government. In Klang, everyone has one or more family members forced out of their job and / or business over this 40+ years. And, it is still happening. This is why everyone in Klang has one or more family member emigrated oversea.

In West Malaysia, I excludes Malays from Terengganu and Kelantan from this guilty charge. They voted opposition and they did not support this government. Malays from East Malaysia are not involved in this wrong doing too.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 11 2013, 10:42 PM

Salleh Yakkop,

The TRUTH will set you free...

<<All your words are bunch of BS as well.>>

And, you dare not POINT OUT which specific item is UNREAL. You cannot. Because it is all true. And, the TRUTH hurts. But, how does it compare to the hurt and anguish of 1.5 millions people that are FORCED out of their country?? Plus, all their families that suffer along with that??

How would you FEEL if you are forced out of your home, your job, your business, and your country because of your skin color?? What do you THINK happen if a country implemented "XYZ only" policy on multiple areas and companies??

The end is near....

Dreamer

Salleh Yakkop,

You do know that majority of employees in KTM and LLN/TNB used to be Indians. Plus, most of the government and GLCs used to be multi-racial and multi-cultural before NEP. Now, they are 90+%. So, how could that happen??

The TRUTH is VERY SIMPLE.

A) They forced out the non-bumi

B) They only hire bumi.

Do this over 40+ years and they are 90+% now. Do you CLAIM that people that worked in those 90+% places DO NOT KNOW this is going on?? They know but they "closed one eye".

Do you live in Klang valley?? How long have your family live in Klang valley??

Of course, it is EASY to believe the LIE when you have not see the whole process.

Dreamer

Salleh Yakkop,

You do not get IT...

If the GOAL is for affirmative action, aka EQUAL SHARE for everyone. It will stop at 60% to 70%. It will not be 90+%. Aka, "XYZ only". If the GOAL is for affirmative action, they will not need to force out the non-bumi. They just need to recruit more bumi.

But, what had happened and still happening now is 90+%. Aka, all XYZ must be BUMI.

<<you keep mentioning things in the past, but the only way is we need to look for the future.>>

There is NO FUTURE for Malaysia until and unless all 90+% are outlawed. How could a country be INTEGRATED when a large segment of population (1.5 millions to 2 millions) CHOOSE to isolate themselves from the rest of the country??

The QUESTION is VERY SIMPLE.

Do you THINK that it is FAIR for 90+% to exist in Malaysia??

Until and unless MAJORITY of Malaysians REJECT the idea of 90+%, there is NO FUTURE for Malaysia.

We need to LEARN from the PAST in order to avoid REPEATING the same mistake in the FUTURE.

Dreamer

First let's look at the history. Why Indian were the majority of employee of TNB KTM and TM or their former selves. All these entities were created under British ruling time. See below:

Connaught Bridge Power Station is a power station in Klang Valley located near Connaught Bridge in Klang, Selangor. It is one of the oldest power station in Malaysia.

It was opened on 26 March 1953 by the High Commissioner for the Federation of Malaya, Sir Gerald Templer.

The Central Electricity Board (CEB) was established and came into operation on 1 September 1949. The Board was to become heir to three major projects considered by the Electricity Department following its re-establishment in April 1946 which were the Connaught Bridge Power Station, Cameron Highlands Hydroelectric Project & the development of a National Grid.

TM's history goes back to the establishment of the Telecommunications Department of Malaya in 1946.

Keretapi Tanah Melayu Berhad (KTMB) 's railway system dates back to the British colonial era, when it was first built to transport tin. Previously known as the Federated Malay States Railways (FMSR) and the Malayan Railway Administration (MRA)


Most are formalized After world war 2. Guess which ethnic is the English favourites to fill in those works in these organisations. Who can blame them with the success they had in India. Indian becomes their natural choice, the same is found in Elite army squads and all plantations remember Golden Hope? Sime Darby , Guthrie, etc.

Obviously being minority in population but holding almost 90% of the job is not quite fair.

Over the years, now it becomes the reverse. So now u think life is not fair? Well guess what ? life is never fair! But when life gives u a lemon, what do you do, make lemonade!Chinese is among the most adaptable and resilient race in the world. So has Indian been especially looking at successes of Indian around the globe . When life close one door, another opens. Most of the greatest achievements among Indian and Chinese around the world is owing to the facts that life was not easy and fair.

The happening of today is karma of yesterday . It applies to Brits, Malay , Chinese, Indian , Ibans, Kadazans with no differentiation in race. So will today wrongdoing be justified or rectified by later karma. But to err is humane , to forgive is divine. There will be mistakes done by all races, all political parties. It is human nature, so our imperfection will result in despite our best judgement at any given time be proven to have flawed, and new ones need to be made where the latter too will be having flaws that needs to be rectified by later actions. And so on and so forth. So no absolution is an ultimatum.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 13 2013, 01:20 PM

EnergyAnalyst,

1) How to forgive when certain group of people are still doing 90+%?? Meanwhile, everyone else is giving out at least 30%?? The policy is still being carried out.

2) How to forgive when certain group of people do not understand BASIC CONCEPT of FAIRNESS?? Aka, do not support "XYZ only" policy. Leave room for OTHERS to live??

This is NOT in the past. It is still happening. And, every time that the GLC and / or GLIC take over a company, the PURGE of non-bumi continues..

Dreamer

P.S.: Please note that this discrimination by 90+% is not limited to non-bumi. They DISCRIMINATE based on "Anak Negeri" concept too. In each 90+% environment, they ONLY promote and hire Malays from certain state. In Klang Valley, the 2 groups of Malays the most from this are

1) Malays from East coast -> Malays from Terengganu and Kelantan

2) Malays from East Malaysia

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 14 2013, 12:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Lxlk4Fxk

I have watched this and agreed all of us, have been a victims of prejudice, at any point of time in the history ...well at least for Malaysia. And most recently it has been severely felt by Indian communiity of Malaysia. From 1824 until 1957 for 133 years, under british ruling , Most Malays were sidelined from economy greatly and has remained as farmers and fisherman. Chinese were either in mining and later sharing rubber tapping with Indians. Indian were destined by the Brits to be the planters, GLCs and pretty much in Pulic Admin, Well the rich of all communities gets to have bettter options to acquire educations or do business, and that applied for all three major races.

So as you say for 40 years, now added anak negeri in the equation, blame it on Brits again lah, because there exist the darling of straits , read: By 1826 the British controlled Penang, Malacca, Singapore and the island of Labuan, which they established as the crown colony of the Straits Settlements, administered first under the East India Company until 1867, when they were transferred to the Colonial Office in London.

Initially, the British followed a policy of non-intervention in relation between the Malay states. The commercial importance of tin mining in the Malay states to merchants in the Straits Settlements led to infighting between the aristocracy on the peninsula. The destabilisation of these states damaged the commerce in the area, causing British intervention. The wealth of Perak’s tin mines made political stability there a priority for British investors, and Perak was thus the first Malay state to agree to the supervision of a British resident. British gunboat diplomacy was employed to bring about a peaceful resolution to civil disturbances caused by Chinese and Malay gangsters employed in a political tussle between Ngah Ibrahim and Raja Muda Abdullah. The Pangkor Treaty of 1874 paved the way for the expansion of British influence in Malaya. The British concluded treaties with some Malay states, installing “residents” who advised the Sultans and soon became the effective rulers of their states. These advisors held power in everything except to do with Malay religion and customs.[13]

Johore alone resisted, by modernizing and giving British and Chinese investors legal protection. By the turn of the 20th century, the states of Pahang, Selangor, Perak, and Negeri Sembilan, known together as the Federated Malay States, had British advisors. In 1909 the Siamese kingdom was compelled to cede Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu, which already had British advisors, over to the British. Sultan Abu Bakar of Johor and Queen Victoria were personal acquaintances, and recognised each other as equals. It was not until 1914 that Sultan Abu Bakar's successor, Sultan Ibrahim accepted a British adviser.[citation needed] The four previously Thai states and Johor were known as the Unfederated Malay States. The states under the most direct British control developed rapidly, becoming the largest suppliers in the world of first tin, then rubber.
SO 133 years of divide and rule if compare to like you say 40 years, what has been the implications, you will still see the effect today. Penang , Malacca is still the most progressed followed by Selangor, Perak, Johore, NS and Pahang is still much more modern than Kedah, Kelantan , Terengganu.

40 years of reshuffling or redistribution may have gone too awry and now Indians become the greatest victims of being sidelined. So shits happened, and you cannot forgive, well guesss what? The Malay can also said they cannot forgive how for 133 years, they were the victims, sh*t, The Chinese can also said why I was never the darling, when is my chance? we can go on and on about unfairness, injustice, etc.

Well Change is happening , it may take time, but it will happen, some say reform, some say transform, only the pace is different , the method is different. So we all have the right in our hand to decide which way we want to go. I have asked you to forgive , it is a hard thing to do, boy! it can be very hard, but forgive you must, and forgive you shall, because our country needs zealous people like you who has so much energy and enthusiam to change and become what its majority aspired to be.


Forgive and move on because, there is a famous saying,' Those who haboured hatred , suffer the most, ' why would you want to do this to yourself?

Moreover, there is this famous saying by Dale Carnegie, one of the most respected person apart from Abaraham Lincoln to me personally, it is call Serenity Prayer, it is advised to be done daily

'God,
Gives me the courage to change the things I can.
The strength to accept things I can't,
And the wisdom to know the difference'

We cannot change what has happened in the past, nor we can do anything much about what is going on today, but we can change our future by following a course we choose TODAY.

Listen to Buddha, follow The mid path,

Listen to JC, love thy neighbour,

Listen to Nabi Mohd s.a.w, Power consists not in being able to strike another, but in being able to control oneself when anger arises

OK BRO?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 14 2013, 10:39 AM

EnergyAnalyst,

<<we can do anything much about what is going on today,>>

Who say so?? At the minimal, I can stop doing business with and invest on those 90+% environment. Why should I SUSTAIN those places that INSIST on DISCRIMINATING Malaysians with my money ??

I am FAIR. I buy as much as I can from Malay owned computer shop so that they get a FAIR CHANCE.

YOU have a CHOICE. You VOTE with your money everyday. You can use it to ensure JUSTICE or sustain the INJUSTICE.

This is NOT hatred. This is "WAJIB". A person's DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to do not sustain INJUSTICE.

I am not a muslim. But, I RESPECT Islam's principle of upholding JUSTICE and do not do business with places that are HARAM.

I will change my mind when they stop being 90+%.

Dreamer

P.S.: They are dying anyhow. I just make sure that they die faster.

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Jan 14 2013, 11:18 AM

Well suit your self and as before, good luck to you and carry on doing what you do, it is a free world in cyberspace.

Generally good Bumi candidates would prefer GLCs (e.g. Petronas) due to nice job security, benefits and upward movement potential.

The private sector (local and MNCs) get the leftovers which may result in an unfairly negative view.

This post has been edited by Renekton: Jan 14 2013, 12:47 PM

Yes, everyone should know where their opportunities lie. and Hence GLCs and Public Admin has to be increased to keep up. C+I go mostly for Private and MNCs, but the surprsing fact is actually the Malay- Controlled Pte companies surveyed also preferred Chinese, one theory is probably they know GLCs and Public Admin is where most Malay graduates see as priority and preferred employer over these Malay owned Pte companies?

Just some interesting reading on the sidelined Indian to share, all cut and paste stuff from wikipedia.

Historical Migration
British acquisition of Penang, Melaka,and Singapore - the Straits Settlements from 1786 to 1824 started a steady inflow of Indian labour. This consisted of traders, policemen, plantation labourers and colonial soldiers (see sepoys). Apart from this there was also substantial migration of Indians to work in the British colonial government, due to their general good command of the English language.

The Indian population in pre-independence Malaya and Singapore was predominantly adult males who were single with family back in India and Sri Lanka. Hence the population fluctuated frequently with the immigration and exodus of people. As early as 1901 the Indian population in the Straits Settlements and the Federated Malay States was approximately 120,000. By 1931 there were 640,000 Indians in Malaya and Singapore and interestingly they even outnumbered the native Malays in the state of Selangor that year. However during World War 2 many Indian men and women left for Burma as part of the Indian National Army with thousands thought to have perished in the Death Railways. As a result the population in 1957 had only increased to 820,000. While immigration was a major factor for the increase in population until independence, the population growth began falling after that as white collar classes in the civil service and plantations left as British institutions and companies left the country as well as the May 13 riots. Since then, lower birth rates, emigration of and emigration to countries like Singapore, Australia, UK etc. in search of better educational and economic opportunities meant that Indians continue to see their share of Malaysia's population decline just as the case with the Chinese. Today, Malaysian Indians account for approximately 7 per cent of the total population of Malaysia (approx. 2 million) and 9 per cent in Singapore (450,000). There has also been a significant influx of Indian nationals into Singapore and Malaysia in recent years to work in construction, engineering, restaurants, IT and finance with many taking up permanent residence in Singapore where they account for nearly a quarter of the Singapore population.

Geographic distribution
The close correspondence between the ethnic and occupational divisions of the South Asian community was inevitably reflected in the community's geographical distribution in Malaya. The South Indian Tamils were the majority throughout the country, on the rubber estates and railways, though a significant proportion found employment on the docks in Penang and Singapore.
The Malayali were located predominantly in Penang, Lower Perak, Kuala Lumpur and Selangor, parts of Negeri Sembilan,and Johor where they were usually in the estates or in the civil service in the earlier days.

The Telugus were concentrated in lower Perak, northern Selangor, Negeri sembilan, Kulim and Sg Petani in Kedah and Pahang.

While the business communities, the Gujaratis, Sindhis, Chettiars, and Tamil Muslims, were concentrated in the urban areas, principally Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Ipoh, and Singapore.

The Ceylon Tamils were also mainly an urban community, though some were found in rural areas working as staff on the estates as well being well known in dominating the railways.

In Sabah and Sarawak, the Indian population is concentrated around the major cities and towns in both states, with representations from the Tamil Muslims, Punjabis, Malayali, Sindhis, Ceylonese, South Indian Tamils and other Indian ethnic groups, taking up careers in the private and government sectors or running businesses.

Overall statistics of Malaysian Indians
Indians constitute 15.5 percent of Malaysian professionals. This includes doctors (28.4%), lawyers (26.8%), dentists (21%), veterinary surgeons (28.5%), engineers (6.4%), accountants (5.8%), surveyors (3.0%) and architects (1.5%). Furthermore, Malaysian Indians make up 38% of the Malaysian medical workforce


Contribution to nation building
Indians have contributed significantly to the building of Malaysia since the 19th century. The Indian workforce was instrumental in the clearing of land for infrastructure, established rubber plantations, built the roads, set up transmission lines as well as managed early Malayan railways, ports and airports. Indian doctors, chemists and veterinarians formed the bulk of medical personnel in Malaysia - their contributions still persist to present day. Indian civil servants formed the core of the civil service both pre- and post-independence. Indian teachers who were particularly fluent in the English language formed the backbone of Malaysian education, particularly in missionary schools. Indians also pioneered private education in Malaysia


Challenges facing the community
Despite the fact that the average income of Malaysian Indians exceeds that of their Malay counterparts, there exists a portion of the community who are poor and share less than 1.5% of Malaysia's wealth. Despite their obvious need, they are not eligible for any of Malaysia's lavish affirmative-action programmes, which are reserved for Malays and select indigenous people.These factors in part have resulted in the migration of many highly skilled Malaysian Indians abroad, where Indian migrants are largely upwardly mobile.

However, the underprivileged section of the community (along with the poor from other races e.g. ethnic Chinese) continue to be excluded from affirmative-action programmes despite their genuine need for support in obtaining employment, government subsidized education, and housing. This perception of a zero-sum game amongst the races has unfortunately fueled protests by frustrated sections of the hitherto quiescent community - who consequentially faced a heavy-handed response from the authorities. Recently, the Malaysian government has at least pledged to change this by increasing assistance to needy Malaysians regardless of race.

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 14 2013, 03:33 PM

But do you think GLCs got enough positions to cater ALL Princes and Princesses ? NEVER gonna happen.

Basically, most of the well-informed graduates will try to get into GLCs or the MNCs. IMHO, if the Prices or Princesses cannot even get a Job in GLCs, it means they are pretty much at the the bottom of other competing graduates.

However, for non-bumi graduates , its different story.

Are you kidding me, not enough you say?
Did you know 40% of PLCs in Malaysia is GLCs

Public service in malaysia employ 10% of the employable population, the highest in the world

Sime Darby provides 104,000 employment, Felda (now listed) 20,000, TNB 30,000, TM 25,000, Proton 12,000 Petronas 40,000, CIMB 37,000, UMW corp 10,500, RHB 11,000, Ambank 10,000. DRB Hicom 15,000, 2,000 to 3,000 Each for Wesport, Affin , Agro (formerly Bank Pertanian), Naza (actually 4k), etc.

I have not included yet (becoz info not available) for Maybank, MAS, Malaysia Airports Holdings, MRCB, MISC, CCM, KTM, Pos Malaysia (now listed), Media Prima (which include NSTP), Utusan Melayu, UEM, and hundreds more government agencies like Bursa Malaysia, Sec Commission, SSM, Sirim, Bernama, the list can go on and on, not forgetting State Entities like Johor Corps, Pasdec, etc.

Still not enough buy some more, like what happen to E&O, SP Setia, OSK , and the infamous sugar refinery biz of one of the richest chinese in the world.......
Why stop in Malaysia, buy some more and offer employment also overseas lah, e.g.


For instance, CIMB Group Holdings Bhd started embarking on this trail when it acquired Singapore-based GK Goh Stockbrokers Pte Ltd in 2005.

In April this year, CIMB extended its reach into the Asia-Pacific markets when it acquired Royal Bank of Scotland's (RBS) cash equities and associated investment-banking businesses for RM849.4mil. Last month, the group managed to gain a foothold in the Philippines, following its acquisition of a 60% stake in the Bank of Commerce, the 16th largest bank in the country.

Maybank Investment Bank Bhd (MIB), too, has been bolstering its presence in the region. Last year, it acquired Singapore-based Kim Eng Holdings Ltd and formed a significant regional investment group called Maybank Kim Eng.

Still not enough? dish out mega projects and divide in among gamuda, UEM, any JV between local and Foreign companies, e.g. DRB-Hicom with Mitsubishi. etc.

So apa nak takut?

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 15 2013, 11:09 AM

EnergyAnalyst,

1) If that is TRUE, then, we will not have unemployed bumi fresh graduates.

2) Until the whole 'house of cards" collapses together. Not long to go now.....

Dreamer

what I meant is WHY WORRY FOR THEM ? We should worry for the minority in comparison !

The total figure provided is roughly 300k jobs ( excluding government jobs) , there are more than 10 millions princes and princesses in Malaysia . Imagine only 5 million of them needed a job, these companies you mentioned only can provide 25% of the princes and princesses a job.

Then you said the GLCs can acquire more companies, true . but then they still have to rely on the previous senior management of the companies and most of whom are not princes and princesses. For example, S P Setia .

And not to mention in order to maintain their political status and also due to religion reasons, the princes and princesses just mass produce without planning . ( financial, educational planning for their offspring) .

Thats why i said no mater how GLC works, they can never have enough jobs for ALL the princes and princesses.

If my opinion, most of the unemployed grads , most of whom are princes and princesses of Malaysia SHOULD NOT HAVE BE admitted into the universities/degree factories in the 1st place .

EnergyAnalyst,

Why do we need to worry for the MINORITY??

It had been 40+ years...

A) If they had not adapted, they either

i) Moved oversea

ii) Die long ago.

B) If they had adapted, it would not matter to them anyhow. This is nothing new.

Dreamer

so if no worry for the minority then who do we need to care for? NOBODY, Just our self? Abandon all hopes , Leave the country or just die? your extremist remarks is really confusing, and most of the time, I dunno what you are trying to convey here.

That means they are worst possible Kundera of grads available lor. Can't be fitted anywhere at all.

As I have mentioned, the 300k is the one that we can get to see their figure...I have not included yet (becoz info not available) for Maybank, MAS, Malaysia Airports Holdings, MRCB, MISC, CCM, KTM, Pos Malaysia (now listed), Media Prima (which include NSTP), Utusan Melayu, UEM, and hundreds more government agencies like Bursa Malaysia, Sec Commission, SSM, Sirim, Bernama, the list can go on and on, not forgetting State Entities like Johor Corps, Pasdec, etc.

All add up what magic no am not sure. but i suspect in total will be millions, Also, please don't forget those non GLC whether Foreign owned MNCs, Pte companies still have to somewhat observe 30% employment of bumis as requirement...to operate or else have to write a lot of explanation report. mSia now has 28 mill, but not all are of working age. In fact less than 70% is of working age, see below:

Key demographic ratesPopulation growth rate^: 1.542% (2012 data)
Age Structure^:
0–14 years: 29.6% (male 4,118,086/female 3,884,403)
15–64 years: 65.4% (male 7,838,166/female 7,785,833)
65 years and over: 5% (male 526,967/female 667,831) (2011 est.)

So the total working force is roughly 18m only but should be even lower because age 15 to 17 need to be taken out so would some of the 55 to 64 years old
out of this say 16 mil, bumi is 8 mil lah since Bumiputras are divided into Malays, who make up the majority of the Malaysian population at 50.4%; and other bumiputra, who make up 11% of the Malaysian population.

Not all Malay or bumi end up working in Msia, there could be some working overseas, ALSO, Not all end up working some do own biz, some do from home, some just single parent working, so still can fit at the moment but i agree how long can keep up is any body guess, some sure even being Malay or bumi get sidelined, hence unhappy and want KEADILAN????

This post has been edited by EnergyAnalyst: Jan 15 2013, 02:48 PM

You have a point.

This post has been edited by Dolphee: Jan 15 2013, 05:02 PM

. Your English is getting powerful.

To sum up my point in a sentence .Most of the unemployed grads have the qualities of Ms Listen.

EnergyAnalyst,

It is not confusing. You just CHOOSE not to see the OBVIOUS.

1) it is NOT sustainable to continue hire large number of BUMI into 90+% environment.

2) Furthermore, the leakage from 90+% environment is too much for the government to bear.

3) 90+% will die soon.

Now, can you IMAGINE a Malaysia with substantial unemployed BUMI?? Is it SAFE to live??

Dreamer

?????

Ok die die die. Whatever

EnergyAnalyst,

Tell me how can this outcome be avoided??

I don't.

Dreamer

Die die die whatever