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 NEW SUKUK : DANAINFRA NASIONAL, >>> worth to buy?

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post Nov 27 2013, 02:08 PM

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RM100 per unit. sounds like quite hard to digest
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post Nov 27 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Nov 27 2013, 08:58 AM)
Agree, absolutely no bonus...the best it could do is maybe go to 102 vs IPO price of 100...this is a bond, not a stock.
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What would anyone buy at 102?

At 100, the yield until mature is 4.58% (without taking into of broker commission yet).
Somemore at 1.02, yield become only 4.49% (not yet taking into account of commission + 2 cents loss until maturity).

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post Nov 27 2013, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 27 2013, 02:30 PM)
What would anyone buy at 102?

At 100, the yield until mature is 4.58% (without taking into of broker commission yet).
Somemore at 1.02, yield become only 4.49% (not yet taking into account of commission + 2 cents loss until maturity).
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IF sold at 102 + 0.5% brokerage+stamp duty .. yield to maturity = 4.35%




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post Nov 27 2013, 02:55 PM

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post Nov 27 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 27 2013, 02:30 PM)
What would anyone buy at 102?

At 100, the yield until mature is 4.58% (without taking into of broker commission yet).
Somemore at 1.02, yield become only 4.49% (not yet taking into account of commission + 2 cents loss until maturity).
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That's why I say maybe........very low chance of such happening...but if people want to goring the counter, then anything goes.

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post Nov 27 2013, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Nov 27 2013, 03:16 PM)
That's why I say maybe........very low chance of such happening...but if people want to goring the counter, then anything goes.
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Wah goreng bonds.. which shark so stupid to goreng RM 100/unit bonds... whistling.gif This I want to see... laugh.gif

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post Nov 27 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 27 2013, 03:18 PM)
Wah goreng bonds.. which shark so stupid to goreng RM 100/unit bonds...  whistling.gif This I want to see...  laugh.gif
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Don't look at the price per unit as it makes no sense since U R comparing different things. U can't complain why a BMW cost RM300,000 while a kancil cost just RM30,000...BMW cos so much cos it cost much much more to make a BWM vs a kancil. Similarly a RM1 per unit stock is is not 100 times cheaper vs a RM100 per unit bond.
A sundry shop can sell a pack of say ikan bilis for RM20...but if U buy a pack of ikan bilis from a whole seller it might cost RM180...but U must know the sundry shop pack is just 500gm pack while the whole seller pack is 10 times bigger at 5kg. So U can't complain to the whole seller - why U sell so expensive ?
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post Nov 27 2013, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Nov 27 2013, 03:42 PM)
Don't look at the price per unit as it makes no sense since U R comparing different things. U can't complain why a BMW cost RM300,000 while a kancil cost just RM30,000...BMW cos so much cos it cost much much more to make a BWM vs a kancil. Similarly a RM1 per unit stock is is not 100 times cheaper vs a RM100 per unit bond.
A sundry shop can sell a pack of say ikan bilis for RM20...but if U buy a pack of ikan bilis from a whole seller it might cost RM180...but U must know the sundry shop pack is just 500gm pack while the whole seller pack is 10 times bigger at 5kg. So U can't complain to the whole seller - why U sell so expensive ?
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haha you obviously dont know the goreng methods.. its all about volume..

anyway be interesting to see someone try.. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 27 2013, 03:18 PM)
Wah goreng bonds.. which shark so stupid to goreng RM 100/unit bonds...  whistling.gif This I want to see...  laugh.gif
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Wah, shark goreng a bond? blink.gif

A water fish shark? laugh.gif


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post Nov 27 2013, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 27 2013, 04:39 PM)
Wah, shark goreng a bond?  blink.gif

A water fish shark?  laugh.gif
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Exactly... laugh.gif No shark in the right mind will goreng a bond..
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post Nov 27 2013, 05:16 PM

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Sold 1st Danainfra sukuk close to 102.00
Who say can't make $ from sukuk?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 27 2013, 05:16 PM)
Sold 1st Danainfra sukuk close to 102.00
Who say can't make $ from sukuk?
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Generally, it can trade above its face value, when the payment of interest is near time.
Aka buyer can instant get the interest payment once bought, while seller doesn't.





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post Nov 28 2013, 09:43 AM

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Danainfra 2nd
98.02/99.00 now
Last done 98.95
Down 1.05
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post Nov 28 2013, 10:10 AM

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98.04/98.50 now
Last done 98.04
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post Nov 28 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 28 2013, 10:10 AM)
98.04/98.50 now
Last done 98.04
Down 1.96
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wow i am surprised that it is down by RM 1.5.. i though 4.58% yield is fair.. apparently not... sweat.gif

Extremely thin volume on opening.. not a good sign only 1560 units traded.. sweat.gif

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post Nov 28 2013, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2013, 11:03 AM)
wow i am surprised that it is down by RM 1.5.. i though 4.58% yield is fair.. apparently not... sweat.gif

Extremely thin volume on opening.. not a good sign only 1560 units traded..  sweat.gif
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Dun understand Y Ppl sell below face value now
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post Nov 28 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 28 2013, 11:08 AM)
Dun understand Y Ppl sell below face value now
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At price of 98.50

Yield to maturity = 4.72%
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post Nov 28 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2013, 11:11 AM)
At price of 98.50

Yield to maturity = 4.72%
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The cost to apply during IPO is 100.00
D understand y applicant sell now n register losses
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post Nov 28 2013, 02:37 PM

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felixmask You sold your sukuk already?

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post Nov 28 2013, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2013, 02:37 PM)
felixmask You sold your sukuk already?
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not yet....still in ICE room..like leaking ICE CREAM

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