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post Feb 15 2013, 11:42 PM

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Just got a aquarium set and some pearl scale goldfish.

What I got was one 30L aquarium, filter, light, 6 pearlscale goldfish,sand, chlorine,fish food for about RM140.

Thinking now to get maybe some decorations for it since I do not have plants or any pebbles/rock yet. What do you guys recommend? tongue.gif

Here's my empty tank laugh.gif

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Btw, my water seems to be cloudy a bit and a lot of food/waste of the fish still around the ground. Is it because the cheapo filter isn't doing well? hmm.gif

Btw, what's this? It was attached to the filter system..the tube there..? It trapped a lot of diry/waste in it, is it supposed to work this way? rclxub.gif

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post Feb 16 2013, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(sisaiko @ Feb 16 2013, 12:07 AM)
remove the goldfish if u want to put real plants
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thanks for the advice biggrin.gif

QUOTE(deric79k @ Feb 16 2013, 12:34 AM)
if u add plants, GOLD fish will help u settle all
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Err don't know what you mean blush.gif

Btw guys, I just had my fish in the aquarium for a few hours (since 7pm) but I didn't leave the water and sand alone for a few days without the fish(heard somewhere online to do that) but I straight away put everything in lolz. Is that why my tank is now cloudy? sad.gif

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I also read this: http://www.firsttankguide.net/cloudywater.php
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post Feb 16 2013, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(sisaiko @ Feb 16 2013, 01:34 AM)
its normal plus u hv tonnes gold fish inside...they are poopers
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Thanks! That's very assuring, would the water turn back clear after a while? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 16 2013, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(sisaiko @ Feb 16 2013, 01:49 AM)
its either or
change water frequently or change fish
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QUOTE(kimimaro_kun @ Feb 16 2013, 10:47 AM)
the gold fish not very ngam with planted tank. all will be eaten...
as sifu sisaiko said, gold fish poops a lots. if you dont want to WC often, maybe you can change to a bigger capacity filter.
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Ya, I suspect the cheapo free filter that comes together with the aquarium is the main culprit. It looks so terrible, and there's still a lot of poop on the ground.

Btw, my tank is about 3 gallons or 12litres, but I filled it up to about 80% water level. I have 6 pearl scale goldfish. Is this too many fish?

Do you guys suggest I get a better filter since the water is still cloudy after I changed water 6 hours after I just bought it (because it become cloudy) ?
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post Feb 16 2013, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(sisaiko @ Feb 16 2013, 05:57 PM)
even one goldfish consider many ime
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Ahh sad.gif Anyway, what to do, I thought 6 fish is ok, since if 2-3 for that size would seem so small haha tongue.gif

Bro, you sell filter? Mine's the super cheapo filter, maybe looking for a better one...
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post Feb 16 2013, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Feb 16 2013, 06:54 PM)
I think u dont have to worry bout the cloudy water. That is normal for new tank, the cloudy happen due to bacteria bloom. This is because of nitrogen cycle. The water will become clear again within a month.

But indeed gold fish is a pooper, so get a good filter with bio media.

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Thanks. I saw quite a lot of poop on the ground, is this party why the water is cloudy ?
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post Feb 18 2013, 07:34 PM

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Hey guys, any recommendation of a good filter with super low noise? I just bought one extra filter but its so noisy and the filter is so lauya...just like a normal sponge only doh.gif My tank is only around 3 gallons and got 5 goldfish inside. They poop a lot that's why need 2 filters tongue.gif
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post Feb 18 2013, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 18 2013, 07:42 PM)
That is no other then Eheim HOB(hang on filter), super silent.
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Is it? I saw that today, looks expensive and good tongue.gif but RM89 for a small one sad.gif

Btw, is it really silent? The 5W filter I just bought today is noisy like no tomorrow omg, somemore aquarium put in my room, cant's sleep for sure sad.gif (But I removed it already because of the noise, currently using a low powered 3W filter which I don't think is enough for a 3 gallon tank with 5 goldfish which poop a lot)

Currently this is my setup. Just added in 2 plants, dunno why my fish always float up near the plants, is this a good or bad sign? rclxub.gif

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post Feb 18 2013, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Feb 18 2013, 08:05 PM)
kytz, i think u can try the units before buying right? why not ask them to install on their aquarium and run it before buying? i'd think most china made filters are quite ok already. i bought 1 recently from xianleng (can't remember the name but the box is brown and yellow colour) and it was quite HOB.

goldfishes on the surface maybe due to low oxygen in the tank.

or bcoz they see u and they think u wanna give them food....
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Haha yeah, my bad for not testing before buying sad.gif

One of my goldfish died actually just 2 days after I got my aquarium, after that I got an air pump with 2 nozzles, I'm using it (shown in the picture) so I don't think it's oxygen problem hmm.gif Ya, I actually just feed them a while ago, something like a pinch of fish food maybe? Don't wanna overfeed them too much later poop too much lolz
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post Feb 18 2013, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(LuQEE @ Feb 18 2013, 11:26 PM)
looks like the water is poisonous.. laugh.gif
better do a partial waer change daily till the good bacta colony is established.
IMHO, adding another xtra filter, a cannister filter will help it greatly(glad ure looking for another one) and ifgot extra cash to spare,
investing in ADA Bacta Ball or Seachem Stability will aid as a catalyst to speed ure good bacta colony growth. Also, upgrading to a bigger tank with better filtration is much more advisable and will cost you less in the long run.  thumbup.gif

well technically you can, if you intent to save up ure money on buying those cheapy RM1.50 decholorinator and putting extra work on collecting those rainwater...
but you cant be so sure the rainwater in youre place is hygenically clean ans safe for fish use. Unless you have extra water test kit, and you wiling to waste them on rainwater..
better buy those cheap anti-chlorine, or save up some money and buy those very good but concentrated and a bit tad expensive decholorinator.
Or, you can use tap water that had been left over for a day/or put in air pump in them to make an anti-chlorine free freshwater. but seriously, if just buy the cheap ones if ure in a pinch, saves you a lot of troubles.

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Thanks. I also got some bio rings and a bottle of live bacteria?

So, the person from the shop told me to add the bio rings at my hang on filter (just behind the filter). But how about the live bacteria? Should I pour it to my tank or to my bio ring there?

Hope to get a quick answer notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Feb 19 2013, 06:56 PM

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Today afternoon, 2 of my pearlscale goldfish died sad.gif
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post Feb 19 2013, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(varialmctwist @ Feb 19 2013, 07:02 PM)
RIP T_T
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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Feb 19 2013, 07:57 PM)
sorry for ur loss. must be the ammonia thingy...
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sad.gif Anyway, got a new filter today. Finally got a good one.

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post Feb 19 2013, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Feb 19 2013, 08:47 PM)
u can fill up with more water until the surface skimmer is full(the part with a tube sticking upwards).
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Is it okay if the water level touches the part where the filter outputs the filtered water (the part where it makes a "waterfall") ?

Btw guys, is it okay if I put some bio rings over here at the gap behind the filters? It's a mechanical filter btw..

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post Feb 19 2013, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 19 2013, 09:38 PM)
Outflow same lvl as water height is ok. Bio ring can be put there else no where to put as the jeneca filter is slim type. I'm using one in my clam tank.
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We have the same filter! thumbup.gif

I put the bio ring onto my the other smaller filter together with the sponge like thing. That sponge like thing is supposed to house the bacteria from the bio ring or something right? At least that's what the salesperson told me. I also added in some live bacteria into the bio ring there.. hmm.gif

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Btw, I might just end up with an empty tank tomorrow cry.gif Had 6 goldfish cramped up in a 3 gallon tank since Day 1. One by one started dying and now left with 2. One of the fish don't look good, keep wobbling around sideways and sometimes 360degrees sad.gif

Sigh, blame it all on my inexperience. Just pray that both fish survive...


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post Feb 19 2013, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(EmilyEmily @ Feb 19 2013, 10:01 PM)
joining the same filter gang.. hahaha
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QUOTE(jctasoga @ Feb 19 2013, 10:23 PM)
wobbling sideways for goldfish means some buoyancy issue. they cannot balance themselves. could be overfeeding issue. best to feed them once a day with less qty. they dun starve so easily...

the bio rings anywhere inside the filter is good for housing additional bacteria. smile.gif
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Ahh I see, I also read it could be due to water being too cold right? That's will make their swim bladder shrink or something?

QUOTE(qz4eva @ Feb 19 2013, 10:56 PM)
Bro... Ur tank so small but u got 2 filters?

Whoa!
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Got an exact measure just now, 13"X 6.5"X 7.5" which is around 2.7 gallons or 10.7 Litres. Quite small right?

Reason why I got 2 filters was because when I had 6 goldfish, it seems that goldfish produce A LOT of waste and tons of ammonia into the water. The filter I was having (on the left in the pic) was horrible, so I was guessing it can't keep up with the rate of the fish are excreting those wastes. The water become quite cloudy also. I then got a 2nd filter, roughly about the same type but it's a biological filter type BUT it's so damn noisy and it's quite unbearable, so I'm not using it. And now it's the current one from Jeneca, and it's just awesome man.

Ya, my mistake to put in 6 pearlscale goldfish to start it off with doh.gif sweat.gif

I do know the 1 inch of fish per gallon rule. So which means I can only keep three 1 inch sized fish?

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http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_di...049&pcatid=1049

This fish looks nice but it says minimum needs 20 gallons doh.gif doh.gif

Was also thinking to upgrade to a bigger tank sad.gif I think my parents might kill me since I cannot even manage a small tank like this, what more a big tank? But LuQEE did mention it will be cheaper in the long run for a bigger tank hmm.gif

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post Feb 19 2013, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 19 2013, 11:14 PM)
The sponge like thing act to filter out solid waste and house bacteria but capacity alot much lesser compare with bio-ring.
Your tank not cycled... high ammonia & nitrite will kill your fish. Keep dosing those Live bacteria daily, don't restock the dead goldfish,
the tank this size, 2 poo-maker(goldfish) is enough to turn it into septic tank.
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Thank you so much. I do frequently add in bacteria into my tank, and after your post, I went and added in more tongue.gif

Btw, how could you tell that the high ammonia/nitrate is killing my fish? I highly suspect that it's the overcrowding issue instead since I read that goldfish needs at least 6-10 gallons of water for 1 fish BUT I have like 6 fish in 3 gallons initially doh.gif

Here's a pic I just taken:

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I'm thinking of getting those test for ammonia/nitrate. What do you recommend?
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post Feb 20 2013, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 19 2013, 11:24 PM)
why limit yourself to just goldfish & guppy , there are many nice dwarf fish to keep like Tetra , galaxy rasbora & other rasbora type etc.
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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 19 2013, 11:30 PM)
for you and those newcomer to fish keeping/aquascaping with fauna , read those first about tank cycling.
http://fins.actwin.com/mirror/begin-cycling.html
http://www.firsttankguide.net/cycle.php
http://www.fishkeeping.co.uk/articles_51/f...ing-article.htm

If you are serious and for long term usage then i would like to recommend to you API freshwater master test kit(cost around rm100++)
if not you can just save cost by getting the ammonia & nitrite tester separately.
You read the above link and you will know how ammonia & nitrite kill your fish.

below is 20L tank, previously housing shrimps, now temporary keep total 10 blue & galaxy rasbora.
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below is 27L clam tank but filled 2/3 water using jeneca filter. have 6 tetra inside
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Thank you so much. You are of great help thumbup.gif

Those are really good links, especially the first one!

Unfortunately, my last goldfish just died just now. Now my tank is empty. It's Day 5 cry.gif

I think I will just get the ammonia and nitrite/nitrate tester kit and maybe a ph meter tomorrow.

"why limit yourself to just goldfish & guppy , there are many nice dwarf fish to keep like Tetra , galaxy rasbora & other rasbora type etc."

Let's just say I keep using my 3 gallon tank for now, how many of those fish I can keep in the tank? I have some sand at the bottom and 2 potted plants.

QUOTE(syafiq_lomotech @ Feb 20 2013, 12:14 AM)
i try to find api freshwater master kit but cant find it. just find the normal test tube with solution type one.

i think my filter like yours kytz. just mine have three part. i put bioring at the water inlet part.

so now i see your aquarium is small.

ps if i wanna to change the fish, guppy is simple n easy but tetra is good. but dont over crowded. one male three female is nice for guppy in that aquarium imho.
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3 gallon tank can fit 4 guppy fish? I'm really really scared of overcrowding liao >_<

QUOTE(varialmctwist @ Feb 20 2013, 12:54 AM)
i bought a cheap 45cm at xian leng..cost me rm25..with black silicone..u want better invest better..haha
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45cm length? What are the exact dimensions ah? Care to share link? smile.gif

Looking for maybe a 10gallon tank or something hmm.gif
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post Feb 20 2013, 04:24 AM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 20 2013, 01:16 AM)
Goto more local fish shop like 88 petsmart in cheras or sunwaymas & Fish depot in sunwaymas , east aqua in sg.besi , ikano , mid-valley , NPA in cheras , NA in subang SS19,
all of them sell standalone fish tank, cube tank size 30cmx30cmx30cm may suit you with 27L water or opt for bigger like dophlin brand got one
55cmx34cmx34cm - 57L tank, cost around rm70++.
You can also go look for tank in Alive aquarium in pudu or their new outlet near leisure mall(cheras), they sell at cheaper price(can bargain somemore).
You already bought light and filter if not i recommend you to get Eheim tank set at RM300++ (with eheim filter, light and 36L tank)(can be found at Alive aquarium in pudu , model is Eheim aquacompact 60 tank set).
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Thanks. I'll be going to Alife Aquarium later afternoon to check out some stuff. Might want to get some tetras (maybe the cardinal), how many do you reckon I can get for my 3 gallon tank? 3-4 tetras boleh? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 20 2013, 05:30 AM

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Btw, EmilyEmily arrow You guys put your bio rings behind the filter cartridge ya? I put mine here, just above the intake pump, because behind the filter cartridge there is tight, and if wanna clean it will have to always position it back. Would this be ok? I have 5 pieces of ceramic rings...

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post Feb 20 2013, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(arrow @ Feb 20 2013, 12:06 PM)
you can remove one of the white wool filter(the left one) and keep it to replace the other one when it get wore out,
then you will have more space to put more bio-ring.
Tetra need to be in school of 6 and above to stay happy.
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Awesome idea, never thought of that at all. Just a few questions here:

1) The Jeneca filter cartridges, where to get the replacements?

2) Should I fill the left part of the Jeneca filter with just all bio ceramic rings or 50% rings, 50% sponge (sponge is the course type like this:)

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