good 1.
recently saw many ppl open new thread which selling the same item.
waste of time n space that obstruct while looking for other thread.

This post has been edited by wKkaY: Jan 7 2013, 04:43 AM

this idea is brilliant..but i could register another user name.. then "best price" my own thread..

then i back to my self saying "UGPM"..

mod can always mute or perma ur dupe

how many can mod control? these back to the very essential to the topic itself, because too many people bump their own thread..indirectly.. why mod dont take action to mute them but instead open this very topic here? because mod want to use the automatic system to monitor..

because flood is too much.. it is impossible to keep every citizen here obey the rules..unless this forum can automatically disable dupe to bump his own thread.

u know what??
each thread can only bump 1 time each day~ is good enough ady~

if u do so~ there will be more new thread (same item, but many thread)

Good idea,,,

Hi

I agree too with ts replies will not bump the thread

Btw not sure if it is due to the code changes but I notice even using normal bump button has weird results

The thread seems to go up the index but the timing recorded is weird. Looks like it shows last post time stamp but not the normal bump time stamp

Is this a bug while doing code modifications?

Thx

Dear Mod,

Is there any view such that the trader could see their last bump date & time? Since once a day bump rule still applied, it will be good for trader to see when is their last bump.

This post has been edited by nicety: Jan 6 2013, 10:46 PM

i click the BUMP
but no notification stated its a bump thread...

Mozilla Firefox 18.0

TQ

Owh That why I Bumb my thread than still same of date..

Btw Nice For new of bumping thread

Same here. It still shows the old date but the thread is bumped to the top.

Chrome / Safari

I'll make an announcement about this later.

same here!

chrome, any solution?

It's bumped but the date is wrong^^

now it is difficult to determine which post has been bumped. the previous way much better.

only one single thread in the same subforum can be bumped.

the new system bump is showing the last reply date...

but sellers would prefer the old system where we can see when the last time the thread was bump so that we can avoid bumping the same category threads..

i would actually +1 for the old system bump thingy...

ya ,same here ~ i started from last 2days ,i feel weird and i waiting this new thread ! haha ~ y changing a new system ? or system breaking down ?

and why suddeny i din reply any post or comment, i din get notification like some1 reply u. lol

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Added on January 7, 2013, 3:01 amand why suddeny i din reply any post or comment, i din get notification like some1 reply u. lol

This post has been edited by cx2531: Jan 7 2013, 03:01 AM

oh man, it is annoying for us who wan to see which person reply our thread / comment. especially who that doing business right here

I was making a change just before this. I screwed up a bit though so I had to clear everyone's notifications.

The upside of it is that notifications should work more reliably now, for example inside multi-quotes.

I kinda dislike the new bump feature
the old one are better

Can you explain why you prefer the old one?

moniqee brotan nicety onlinetradermy guyfriendx

I have added a bump button and last bump time to the search and subscription pages. Can you give your feedback on this?

it is harder to know which one are bump recently by Seller. So like moniqee said, I want to save time by searching active thread

i prefer this one

<date> <time>
Last post by: <LYN id>(BUMP)

I no complain about it if I a newcomer to this forum,but then I am almost 4 years old member
hard to accept

should make search result "RANK" oso...in classified forum topic list my thread kinda near top...but in search result my thread down2 below.....maybe search result based on latest time....

new system
kinda not fair for active seller/ts who do not need much thread reply from potential customer or receive contact through pm/email/phone onli.....i most of time being contacted through pm or contact detail i supplied in my thread

This post has been edited by zaman_chem: Jan 7 2013, 06:34 AM

i hope we can get back the old bump style where we can easily identify which post we have bumped up recently. without the notification, it is difficult to determine which post has already been bumped and which has not.

i saw your latest changes on the bump function and it looks better compared to your previous change. however i also found out my post (house for rent) in the property section cannot be bumped anymore .

This post has been edited by guyfriendx: Jan 7 2013, 08:55 AM

Do you mean the does not works anymore?

Or just that TS replies will not automatically bump the thread?

Okay, i see a button without need to go inside the thread itself, which is a good change..

But i dont notice my thread showing in the "view new posts" anymore?

at least let us noe which thred bump before like last time rite? if not we got around 5/6 thread. hard to determine or note down which 1 bump and which haven bump

search function..press bump..then need to search again to bump other thread..

now we can't see which thread is bumped .. kinda confusing

yup ... i taught all are old and new jumble up

Instead of this format:-

Today, 12:54 AM
Last post by: nizam276
Last bumped: 12 hours ago


Maybe arrange to:-

Last bumped: 12 hours ago
Last post by: nizam276
Today, 12:54 AM


Just my suggestions

Great BUMP feature... at least I know which of my WTS hasn't been bumped yet via View Topics.
Can we have BUMP and opens in New Tab ?

This post has been edited by ronnie: Jan 7 2013, 11:21 AM

As a seller, i feel very hard to manage all my selling thread. after i bump, all the thing remain unchange with the date, i don even know which thread i had bump.

After you have bumped your thread, the 'Bump' button (for the specific thread) will not appear for the rest of the day at your list of topics.

oh, just notice that. but i still think that, if the post bring up to the higher post according to the time we bump + new features will be better. for me with plenty of selling thread will still find hard to find it.

"We have relaxed the indirect bumping rules so you can post "PM replied", "thanks" etc in response to a query or complement on your thread. While implementing this, we have changed the bumping code so that only replies from your customers will bump your thread. Your own replies will not bump your thread; you must use the "Bump" button in order to bump." by wKkaY

only replies from your customers will bump your thread
- This one remains the same as the old bumping system.

Your own replies will not bump your thread; you must use the "Bump" button in order to bump
- This one also remains the same as the old bumping system. (Except own post/replies won't bump the thread)

we have changed the bumping code
Purpose: To avoid indirect bumping by own posts/replies.
Action taken: New bumping features were implemented.

The only weakness for sellers:
New System: The lining up (based on last post) confused sellers whether we have bumped the thread.
(Solution by Lowyat Team: Add "Bump Button" and last bumped period)

Old System: The lining up (based on last post & last bump) benefits sellers whether we have already bumped the thread & whether there is a new reply. (For me, a perfect system or at least better than new implementation.)

Back to the purpose of the new bumping features' implementation, which is to prevent indirect bump by own post/replies, why don't:
Remain all the old bumping features but only have a code change on "No bump when own posting/replies". What I have seen here all things were remained unchanged (though the way of execution has changed) except own replies will not bump the thread, by changing this sole one is enough to achieve the entire purpose of this new features.

My 2 cents worth feedbacks.

This post has been edited by dhui: Jan 7 2013, 12:12 PM

Hi bro

I tried. I think ok for seller knowing when they didn't bump for today

But this doesn't solve 2 issues

1) we normally try to time our bump so it is not too close to each other. This method doesn't solve this

2) as feedback by another member,if the time stamp is very old but it is top of the list they might think the seller stop selling or not active

Pls do take note for buyers, they wouldn't know all the system how things work

Properties section cannot BUMP ??

the current changes are better than the earlier stages... glad for the improvements...

good good.
finally my suggestion and complaint has been noticed.

great.
but those post previouslg written by me was removed. lol...
n my thread was edited by some1. might be moderator. or something lol

this isn't good .... i can't bump my threads in services noticeboard !!

i oso cannot bump my thread service noticeboard

Sorry, I typo'ed one letter in the code. Bumping should work in services noticeboard and properties sections now.

thank you !

1) Sorry I don't understand. Can you elaborate on #1. With the old system, how did you time your bumps?

2) I think that will be a temporary problem. However now that we have relaxed the posting rules, you can be more creative in how you want to draw attention to your sales

The topics in "find member topics" are now sorted by rank. I'll change the search function to default sort by rank later.

If "thread starter's post won't bump own thread" is coded without changing anything else, a new time inconsistency is introduced.

Let's look at this timeline if we do that:
1:00PM - wKkaY posts a reply to dhui's thread. Last post = 1:00PM, Last poster = wKkaY
5:00PM - dhui posts a reply to wKkaY on dhui's thread. Last post = 1:00PM, Last poster = dhui

It will look weird in the topic index that someone replied at 1:00PM, but when you enter the topic, the actual last reply you see was made at 5:00PM.

The current system does this:
1:00PM - wKkaY posts a reply to dhui's thread. Last post = 1:00PM, Last poster = wKkaY
5:00PM - dhui posts a reply to wKkaY on dhui's thread. Last post = 5:00PM, Last poster = dhui.

I wrote the old bump system in 2006 and introduced the first inconsistency where "Last post time" doesn't really mean last post time. This time, I intend to code it the proper way instead of introducing a second time inconsistency. This means that instead of overloading the "last post time" with different meanings, the time of bump and time of last post must be kept and shown separately.

The benefit of doing it this way is that if it's a really terrible idea, I can always change the templates to show last bump time instead of last post time But we will see.

So i can no longer reply to my customers in selling thread? Since its said to be considered as spamming. A discussion thread or subforum like kopitiam are eating up so much more server space. When i browse through other seller selling thread, those sellers who doesn't reply to their customers in the thread give me a bad impression. Maybe just me.

I feel the same too. I might think that either TS isn't polite enough, or TS has not come online yet

my problem now is i cannot edit (add or delete) lyn forumer name (note - i didnt use the tag code) in my thread. Hope can some one help me out, the error got was

"You may only tag up to 5 members in a post."

Hi,

glad to have new bumping systems !

-really useful to genuine sellers which do not tends to reply each of the post directly in bumping own thread up.

but is there a way that we could determine if there's a dupe?

we know 'mod' can check on it, but don't think every thread will be discovered.



-noticed that per post only for 5 members, was trying to update customer feedbacks today but system shows that i could only tag 5 members, what should I do?

The new bump date and the sorting by bump date is very much better now :-)

This post has been edited by nicety: Jan 7 2013, 10:26 PM

I buy alot of item from garage sale daily..

And this new bump feature giving me problem to determine if the seller is still looking for buyer for his item .

Some buyer already sold their item, and they didnt close the thread. I cant differentiate them with genuine seller who Bump their thread.

With the old system, when we saw a Bump by the seller, we know the seller is genuine and he is looking for buyer .

Now, its totally screw up.

To the developer of Lowyat.net : Please dont fix what is not broken.

For example : Look at the screen shot below. All the last post is today, but when i go in to check, those thread was dated 3 months+ old and sold.


This post has been edited by RedDevil32: Jan 7 2013, 10:33 PM

Can you explain the difference between the old bump feature and what we have now? For example, what would you have seen in that screenshot, instead of what are seeing now?

The first post is clear that you now can reply your customers:

Spamming is when you make a post for no reason, such as posting 'come quickk', 'saleesss', 'cheap cheap' multiple times.

It's a lot better now after adjustment. I understand now that's why the last post and bumping times need to be separated. Another suggestion. Personally think that perhaps the template of showing the "last post" and "last bump" can be changed.

The template of showing the "date of reply" is making some confuse sometimes (or maybe I still can't coupe with the new system yet) and it looks like messy on the page with all different date on the thread. Personally prefer the old system which showed the "time of bump" which I feel is better and it looks more tidy and not confusing.

The system is nice now after the adjustment but a feedback and suggestion to change the showing template so that the first line can show the latest date of post/bump like the old system which I can see most users (Etc RedDevil32 as a surfer] here would prefer for easier access, less confusing and most importantly look more tidy and systematic/ professional:

For the forum list:
New Post
Today: 8.00am
Last post by: dhui

New bump
Today: 8.00am (Bumped)
4 January 2013
Last post by: dhui

For the search result list
New Post
Today, 8.00 am
Last post by: dhui
Last bumped: 8 hours ago

New bump
Today, 8.00 am (Bumped)
4 January 2013 - 4.00pm
Last post by: dhui
Last bumped: 1 second ago

The first line showing the latest post and bump would make it looks and feel more systematic, professional while easier access/ user friendly. I am not sure with coding in this way would be problematic or not since I am not a programmer so just can give some opinion and feedbacks on the template as a forumer/trader perspective.

Addon: The template showing "date of last post" gives me feeling that the thread has been abandoned for long times ago especially if there is no new post for long time. It makes the forum looks like being abandoned or not updated at all seconds like previous system. Worry especially for new user who first surf Lowyat forum would feel the forum is not updated to the latest.

This post has been edited by dhui: Jan 8 2013, 08:37 AM

Hi wkKay,

In the old trade zone system. We have the remark (Bumped) beside the date. And when a seller bump his thread , the latest date and time of his bump is reflected at listing.

In this way, buyer can tell that the seller product is still on sale.

Our new system now, base on the screenshot i provide, few of the thread, actually already sold. And worst, the thread is dated 3 months back.

In my opinion, we should have a features to show all the latest bump thread.

When a thread is bump, buyer know the product is on sale.

Now all we see is latest reply of interested parties.

Perhaps in the last action column

From :


To :

Okay. Got it.

Btw, for 'recently viewed me' ,the name of the username can be seen now?

Ok. Lemme see what I can do about this.

+1

RedDevil32 brotan dhui From a buyer's point of view - what do you think if I remove "last post by (third party)" altogether? So if you open garage sales, you will see only the time of last activity by a seller (whether it is a reply or bump).

i personally has no objection but don't know others. others may need replies from REAL buyers to "bump" their thread. but this also solve the dupe fake bump.

i know some seller offer special price if reply on the thread

in short, got pro and con, depending who is looking at it

This post has been edited by brotan: Jan 8 2013, 06:23 PM

wKkay That will be very great.

As a buyer, we dont really care other potential buyer reply. I attached a screen of my frustration. One of the thread, the owner sell the macbook to me. But he never close it. Other interested buyer keep posting on the thread, and today, the same thread is still at page 1.



In garage sale, i believe we should sort the thread by this sequence.

Order by New Thread Date , Last Bump Date.

Not by Last post on the thread because its different from other subforum.

Take Mudah.my and Lelong.com for an instance. As a buyer, everytime i login to those website, i know the front page are the list of newest post. Definitely most of the item in page 1/2 are available for sale.

However our garage sale now.. 50% of the thread are actually old thread that never close .

This post has been edited by RedDevil32: Jan 8 2013, 06:50 PM

Ok. Besides making the cosmetic changes, we need to ensure threads stay fresh. Some things I have in mind are monthly reminders to thread starters to bump their threads, auto-closing threads after N months of inactivity, and purging them after further inactivity. This is out of this topic's scope but I'll be sure to start a new feedback topic about that once we're done refining this bump feature.

The top RSS New topic and New poll in http://forum.lowyat.net/MobilePhonesandRelatedAccessories is not working well.

yaya. sold item thread was still thr without closing it.
and TS could not bump their own thread by using their own comment / reply on the thread.
this really frustrated.

best is, inactivity thread more than 2 months will be given a warning regarding inactivity, after that forced close will be given.
i know the script for this will be very painful n complicated, this is just my opinion.

hopefully this could help. =)

hi there,

i am bit confused. how come nowadays in the trade zone the topics are sorted by the date anymore?

eg above: 7th Jan, 3rd Jan, 4th Jan, 30th December

This post has been edited by trinityz: Jan 9 2013, 12:03 PM

we're actively working on this now. Please bear with us while we rectify the issue.

is it possible if the BUMP button just refresh the list "at the same page" instead of what its doing now?
I have to either press the "back" button to continue bumping other threads, or "rightclick open in new tab".

Just wondering, bumping function now no longer list into active threads?

Previously it was if the sales thread have alot of views, bumping it will automatically list it into active threads. Because I buy alot of stuff from garage sales, i rather allocate my time for things that other ppl buy as well^^

This post has been edited by wakakaka: Jan 10 2013, 11:47 PM

Agree, it's more convenient for mobile users just like me

I've been busy these past couple of days - will look into your feedback soon.

RedDevil32 brotan Just made some changes. The last seller update is shown now - this includes bumps, replies, and edits. I won't be removing the last post column right now. Let's see how the feedback from our members goes before making any further changes

wKkaY Thanks But can you apply the last update into search function too?

hmmmm... new one even more confusing ??

Adjusted the language a little bit.

^ will need time to get used to ...
Thanks wKkay

Ummm ... the sorting is still not right i think at garage mobile section ...

some old bump and last post is sorted earlier

Note : When i use the sub-group i.e samsung or nokia

and dam ... it doesn't work for searchers ...

new people will get nuts in the thread

This post has been edited by macyhouse: Jan 12 2013, 11:48 AM

mr wKkay can teach me how to use that member tag name???

primaroti

ok thanks...

Hi Admin,

I think there is something not right in the Last Bump vs Last Post sort in the Search Result list page.

From the screenshot, taken today at 12/01/2013 3:38PM, where I just bump one of my thread minutes ago.



Notice that the sorting in search result was sort based on Last Post date, not the Last Bump date as previously.

Thus, even if I just bump my thread, my thread will be lost in search result if my last post is weeks ago. BUMP feature suppose to prevent people making new post everyday,
but if using the BUMP didn't have the same result as making new post, I think people will start posting new post everyday again.

Please kindly look into this issue

This post has been edited by mkmobile: Jan 12 2013, 03:49 PM

Bro

I tested. Imo you did a great job there.

I can see the bump works and the last bump time stamp is posted

And the last post time stamp also there

At least if both time stamp there should be ok

No complaints from me anymore. Lol

Is it possible if we request features to filter off thread that never being bump or reply from TS ? I still see few thread at the top 3 pages because some user brought up the old thread.

This post has been edited by RedDevil32: Jan 12 2013, 04:28 PM

wKkaY

Just noticed a bug, but not sure if it does happen before the changes recently or after.

Tested on Chrome / Firefox, loading without cache, but not sure if it's just me or not.

Say, if we want to show posts by a certain member in a topic, we'll use this [Link]

e.g.


But if the user's name comes with pipe character |, like [This], no results will be returned.

e.g.


Just for referencing purpose, he certainly did made at least one post in the topic [Here]

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Jan 12 2013, 05:51 PM

Hi, would like to give my feedback on the latest changes.

As quoted from ciohbu above, i prefer the old view of showing the time format in [Date][Month][Year], [Hour][Min], eg: 1st January 2013 - 04:11PM or Today, 11.11AM

Since i update the thread regularly, i would like to know what are the new/latest threads since the last time i refreshed my page. I didn't closed the LYN page everytime i refresh. Example the last time i check threads is at Today, 11:11AM. So later like now 7.46PM, i can check any threads that are bump/post from 11AM - 7PM range

The new bump feature is quite confusing too. Like last time, any new bump/post is consider latest/active threads. Now if i sort by Last Post, some bumps are months ago yet the post is new. And those thread which bump recently, i can't see it with sort by Last Post.

This post has been edited by hehe86: Jan 12 2013, 07:51 PM

garage sale topics are sort based on RANK

pls make it sort based on LAST POST like before

tq lyn team.

+1
This. Hopefully admin will change the current one. I prefer last post as im only using mobile browser.

Are you sure?

I have tested and checked

It always sort by either last post not by ts or bump, whichever is newest

@modecai also encounter same problem

so its not me alone

I checked mobile phone and tablets subcategory

Which one you check?

Thx

As the screenshot below


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