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post Dec 28 2012, 11:13 AM

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CKD CX5 will likely be a stripped version. And the CBU CX5 scored just a point higher than the Sportage but its $20k more. I do have my reservations with KIA, and factoring in Naza. Makes me ponder many many times. How competent are the SCs?

Not looking for sedans and MPVs after watching the euroncap videos. The major concerns are side impacts. Scary.



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post Dec 28 2012, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Dec 28 2012, 09:59 AM)
i don't know in my household we all use maintenance free batteries, every time battery going to die we bring to workshop to change then think maybe got warranty, take out the warranty card and see....ARGH! just slightly over warranty period dry.gif  doh.gif

suzuki makes pretty good cars but dunno if the ones sold here would fair the same in the test or not  hmm.gif

IKR the citroen pikaso was weird yet wonderful, nowadays its weird but not so wonderful  doh.gif
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I somewhere read that bigger is better... Except for off roaders (not sure if SUVs are meant). They tend to roll in crashes (side impacts) and are thus as dangerous as A or B segment cars. So I'd rather look for a C or D segment car with side airbags and curtain airbags.
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post Dec 28 2012, 11:52 AM

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kadajawi,

Have you seen a SUV t-boning a sedan? Its horrible. Do you have a better solution?
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post Dec 28 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 28 2012, 11:13 AM)
CKD CX5 will likely be a stripped version. And the CBU CX5 scored just a point higher than the Sportage but its $20k more. I do have my reservations with KIA, and factoring in Naza. Makes me ponder many many times. How competent are the SCs?

Not looking for sedans and MPVs after watching the euroncap videos. The major concerns are side impacts. Scary.
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http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-...e-Compact-SUVs/

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-...y-Compact-SUVs/

Perhaps the above will help? Since safety is paramount to you, you can look at the scores there. US News described their methodology as below
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/methodology/

''•Safety. The safety score is based on a compilation of scores from leading safety rating sources, including the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.''

In affordable Compact SUV category,
Kia Sportage ranked #6 score better in safety i.e. at par with Honda New CRV ranked #4 , Subaru XV ranked #6 at the same platform with Sportage and VW Tiguan ranked #11. All 4 Models gets 9.8 score for safety.

which is better than Mazda CX 5 ranked #2, Ford New Escape ranked #1, and Hyundai Tucson ranked # 9 at 9.4 score.

But if your pocket is swell, can look at Volvo XC60 ranked #3 in luxury compact SUV category also scoring 9.8 in safety comparable with the Germans BMW X3 ranked #5, and Audi Q5 ranked #2 . Happy test driving them all! and please share your after thoughts even though some models like the new CRV, Subaru SV, Ford New Escape you can only do in 2013( like I have planned to ) before making your choice, if you can wait and tahan flex.gif

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post Dec 28 2012, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 28 2012, 09:06 AM)
That makes Malaysian Camry owner even more worrisome
Most of those who bought the new Camry in Malaysia are not those who actually bothered to scout around and try out other D segment makes out there. Many of them actually went for the brand and the after sales record that comes with it. And im very sure most of them dont even know what Stability Control is and thus wouldnt mind not having it.
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post Dec 28 2012, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2012, 01:52 PM)
Most of those who bought the new Camry in Malaysia are not those who actually bothered to scout around and try out other D segment makes out there. Many of them actually went for the brand and the after sales record that comes with it. And im very sure most of them dont even know what Stability Control is and thus wouldnt mind not having it.
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Agree, Typical play safe mentality, all forsaken in the pursuit for Good Resale Value and Durability while paying high prices and in return Get Ripped Off with Compromises here and there.

Hey Cybermaster98, would you help out lunchtime there, he is pondering about Naza Kia service, care to comment?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2012, 01:52 PM)
Most of those who bought the new Camry in Malaysia are not those who actually bothered to scout around and try out other D segment makes out there. Many of them actually went for the brand and the after sales record that comes with it. And im very sure most of them dont even know what Stability Control is and thus wouldnt mind not having it.
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Not necessarily true la, maybe some people really like the outlook of the car leh? I'm actually a little partial to how it looks. What about those that live outside of Klang Valley, they won't necessarily as much choices as those of us in KL, so no choice but to buy T&H loh. Then there are those businesses that buy the car because it can offer better depreciation compared to other makes, so sell off also don't lose so much mah. Afterall, if you just buying it as a fleet car or to ferry customers around in the KL area, the car on its own is good enough la. At least it's safer than being ferried around in a Vios tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Dec 28 2012, 04:35 PM)
Not necessarily true la, maybe some people really like the outlook of the car leh? I'm actually a little partial to how it looks. What about those that live outside of Klang Valley, they won't necessarily as much choices as those of us in KL, so no choice but to buy T&H loh. Then there are those businesses that buy the car because it can offer better depreciation compared to other makes, so sell off also don't lose so much mah. Afterall, if you just buying it as a fleet car or to ferry customers around in the KL area, the car on its own is good enough la. At least it's safer than being ferried around in a Vios tongue.gif
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Actually I think JB is the best place to own a conti. SG is nearby, so there is an abundance of cheap spare parts.
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post Dec 28 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Dec 28 2012, 04:35 PM)
Not necessarily true la, maybe some people really like the outlook of the car leh? I'm actually a little partial to how it looks. What about those that live outside of Klang Valley, they won't necessarily as much choices as those of us in KL, so no choice but to buy T&H loh. Then there are those businesses that buy the car because it can offer better depreciation compared to other makes, so sell off also don't lose so much mah. Afterall, if you just buying it as a fleet car or to ferry customers around in the KL area, the car on its own is good enough la. At least it's safer than being ferried around in a Vios tongue.gif
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True on the bolded part. If I still live in Perak I might never ever consider a conti unsure.gif
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 28 2012, 04:56 PM)
Actually I think JB is the best place to own a conti. SG is nearby, so there is an abundance of cheap spare parts.
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Whether original or 2nd hand parts. Currency must still x 2.51 converting to Ringgit and then there's tax also when coming in, so cheap might not be so cheap after all. But they do have a good selection over there compared to here.

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 28 2012, 05:04 PM)
True on the bolded part. If I still live in Perak I might never ever consider a conti  unsure.gif
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i thought Ipoh is land of Pugs and Mercs hmm.gif
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Dec 28 2012, 05:14 PM)
Whether original or 2nd hand parts. Currency must still x 2.51 converting to Ringgit and then there's tax also when coming in, so cheap might not be so cheap after all. But they do have a good selection over there compared to here.
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For Renault I usually pay 1/2 or less (after conversion to RM). New parts. If non original then can be even cheaper. Heard for Skoda prices are similar (and since Skoda = VW...).

Tax... well, if small parts no problem. Big ones they charge as much as they want to, so you can bargain. Can say second hand parts perhaps. But never had to pay anything.


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Camry the older models are darlings and stable the newer models 2010 onwards are rubbish , with major disc brake problems continuously,if you talk to Camry users they will acknowledge unhappily , I wont buy a Camry again, Toyota never take ownership and fix it permanently they always dily daly
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LATIN NCAP RESULTS FOR 2012

Honda City June 2012
Verdict :
4 star for Adult Occupant, score : 12.03/16
4 Star for Child Occupant, score : 37.99/49


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LATIN NCAP RESULTS FOR 2012

Ford Fiesta June 2012
Verdict :
4 star for Adult Occupant, score : 12.87/16
4 Star for Child Occupant, score : 37.80/49



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Verdict :
4 star for Adult Occupant, score : 11.34/16
3 Star for Child Occupant, score : 36.95/49

ALSO CHECK OUT ALL THREE MODELS CRASH TEST VIDEOS AT
http://www.latinncap.com/en/results-2012


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QUOTE(Fabio1 @ Dec 28 2012, 09:26 PM)
Camry the older models are darlings and stable the newer models 2010 onwards are rubbish , with major disc brake problems continuously,if you talk to Camry users they will acknowledge unhappily , I wont buy a Camry again, Toyota never take ownership and fix it permanently they always dily daly
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We had the same model but pre facelift before selling it off for the Q5. The biggest complaint was the suspension and they actually could rectify it so there was a creaking sound every once in awhile. The next issue was actually the transmission, it broke about 1 month after we traded it in. There was a brake issue but it was fixed quite quickly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFRLvnCoBpU

May be we should install roll cages in our cars?
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post Dec 30 2012, 09:17 PM

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Any unhappy Camry users want to join us in the protest next week with the media at the the service center or UMW
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post Dec 30 2012, 09:57 PM

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Kadajawi, any idea why crash test aren't conducted at higher speeds such as 80km/hr or 100km/hr instead?

I've seen an ADAC video test a 5 star EuroNCAP car do well in the standard test but fared much more miserably once they tested the same car at higher speeds.

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