It also shows that Japanese cars CAN be safe. Only the models sold in Malaysia aren't. And the consumer is the one to blame.

yes i would like to know about the 408 and 308 as i m considering it at the moment.

I prefer the 308t but was told the horrible reliability of the 308t by the SA.

His advice, go for the 408t instead since the ECU has been updated.

Oh my mistake ASSume is a bigger word!

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=30

VW jetta and Hyundai sonata only get marginal rating I.e lower than acceptable rating for the small overlap crash test!

http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=15

Look how Lexus 2 models also get poor rating for this test but I am also surprised to see Audi A4, Mercedes C class also get poor rating . BMW 3 series and VW CC also only get marginal rating... What's wrong with these 3 Germans (BMW, Mercedes, VW+Audi of same VW group). The only good European champion is Volvo S60... And Volvo is 100% owned by Chinese auto maker Geely. The world has changed indeed.

If i follow your reasoning and your way of logic the absent of result is therefore poor result, are you suggesting those IIHS rating of not tested means poor?
The same way I cannot show you P408 performance is the same way you have alos no ground to claim p408 is poor.
if again folllowing your logic,
" that many car manufacturers design their cars around these crash standards and passing them with flying colors. If its not a requirement, there's little incentive to do extra, why add unnecessary cost when you don't need to?"

now tell me then, Since P408 is designed initially to be sold in China, hence peugeot get C-NCAP rating, and they are not made to be sold in Europe/USA and they are barely venturing into AUSTRALIA, what incentive Peugeot has to send P408 or testing in Europe or USA, we may see an ANCAP rating or Latin Cap rating only if Peugeot like your beloved VW or other Germans see an incentive to do so.

I really fail to undersand what is it that you are saying, first you claim Peugeot 408 may show poor result if given the same test either by IIHS or Europe Ncap or ANCAP, but where is the proof of your claim? Unless you can point it to me the source of reference, then you are then assuming

No incentive ?

So it is alright for VW to ignore the forewarning by IIHS, when they do sell these models in USA where IIHS small overlap crash test apply and forewarned by IIHS and saying they have no incentive/no requirement IN THE MARKET THEY SELL THESE BABIES, they will stick to having just the Top Safety Pick choice award without wanting the Top Safety Pick + award?
And it is not alright for Peugeot to not go for EuroNcap rating or IIHS at the market they don't sell 408 model, and ony get CNCAP from China when they do sell that baby?




Don't plea innocent as..." I didn't know...", read this 
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr122012.html

Caption:
IHS gives manufacturers advance notice of planned changes. Automakers in the past have been quick to factor new IIHS evaluations into their designs, and many are on track to do the same with the introduction of the small overlap test and Top Safety Pick+.

"We've seen automakers make structural and restraint changes in response to our small overlap test," Lund says. "Five manufacturers redesigned their midsize cars to enhance small overlap crash protection."

Honda engineered both versions of the Accord to do well in the test. Ford and Nissan made running structural changes to 2013 models already in production. Subaru and Volkswagen changed airbag control modules on the production line so side curtain airbags would deploy for improved head protection.

VW changed their air bag control modules....and thought it would suffice? no siree?
As a consumer your self, do you feel fine with not requirement /not necessary from VW or any other maker for that matter? It is your life, your choice

The small overlap test is imposed due to most accidental injury or dealth had been caused by less than or at 25% frontal collision (meaning hitting a lampost or a small tree or while steering and avoiding the obstacles in front of your car you managed to steered most but still leaves a smaller portion of object with collission impact ) as opposed to 40% frontal collision which is the normal test standard for frontal collision

I wish I know how my Peugeot 408 will perform under such test, honestly I do but with no such test was performed, so I dunno what I still dunno, and IF really you have a source of reference to point to me how they perform fro small overlpa test? I want to know the truth with basis and not base on some smartass assumption. Poor?/Marginal?/Acceptable?/Good?Still I get no answer.

Why C-NCAP 2010 never get updated to 2011, 2012?  The only answer one can give is Honestly we dunno...any jumping into conclusion is another typical smartass assumption.

Set aside model for a moment, in market that VW and Peugeot do compete with their models, can we refer to E-NCAP say for scoring of Polo/Golf/Jetta/Passat vs  206/207/208, 306/307/308, 405/406/407, etc. etc.?

508 vs Passat (both Earned 5 star E-Ncap)

http://www.euroncap.com/results/peugeot/508/2011/433.aspx
http://www.euroncap.com/results/vw/passat/2010/415.aspx
But the details are more revealing
Adult Occupant: Passat 91% vs 508 90%
Child Occupant: Passat 77% vs 508 87%
Pedestrian       : Passat 54% vs 508 41%
Safety Assist    : Passat 71% vs 508 97%

So you win some I win some, but note even in E-NCAP the result is 2010 for Passat and 2011 for 508, shall we also shoot E-NCAP like how you shot down C-NCAP for not revising with latest?

check 206, 207 and 208 vs genenerations of polo

http://www.euroncap.com/supermini.aspx?dontlaunchmobile=1

samething u win some I win some.

but notice how Polo used to be 3 star and 4 star earner in 1997, 2000 and 2002 before they moved up to 5 star in 2009 and P206 areted 4 in 2000 but 207 rated 5 in 2006.

Again the latest rating for Polo is 2009 while 208 is 2012, should we shoot E-NCAP again?

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Added on December 27, 2012, 2:41 pm

At least you are objective and keep your mind open, unlike someone

using the same some one link

caption:
"Until now only the American crash testing authority tested for rear end safety, but with China adding the test in and also the effects on female passengers in a crash, it appears that C-NCAP is going to be among the strictest testing bodies in the world in the next few months.

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Added on December 27, 2012, 2:51 pm

so we will be super fxxxx smart to buy what then you reckon? Proton and Perodua?

Kinda an AM FM situation.
They're both radio signals but having a 92.9FM doesn't mean it works as 92.9AM

hard to judge.

Dear Mr Zweimmk.

You made claim statements a lot but fail to provide proof, is it a habit or are you born that way? As I've said, I never claim p408 is a better scorer in small overlap test, it is you who claim it is reasonably poor perfomer, when I ask proof, so you now say why should I.

I can only conclude so far you have been a Peugeot basher. I am delighted that you are happy with your VW, I am not VW basher myself. Because a world is big enough place for both of us. unlike you who decidedly not want a Pug for life, I may get my self a VW one day when I retire, perhaps a Polo.

In the end, as each and everytime we debated, you will state i am done with you. Is that how you end all your debate, leaving the party when you have created a controversy and simply walk away?

My advice to you, I reckon you will not take it, is teach your self humility, or acquired it, it will make world a better place.

OK then I am sensitive you said and still i don't get your meaning you said. Great start from being humble! Whatever it is and for what it is worth. Merry belated Xmas if u celebrate it, if not happy holiday and Happy New Year! Drive safe always as all these crash test videos, etc. show despite having the best cars in the world, one still can succumb to injury or worst when it crash

As for battery, IIRC the last battery in the Xsara lasted for 5 years or 6 years... something like that. Maintenance free one. After 4 months of letting the car stand in the garage it started pretty much right away, with a several year old battery. Might be the cold weather that helps, or the quality is better That being said the battery in the Kangoo also lasted like 3 years or so (and it only failed when the engine bay is hot, otherwise still no problems starting), and that car is in Malaysia. Also no problems starting after a few months...

Btw., what was recently changed for example was that for a 5 star rating you need 60% pedestrian protection, not just 40%. So many 5 star cars would be downgraded to 3 stars if tested today. However that doesn't make a difference to those in the car... whereas in C-NCAP the change was much more significant.

As for Suzuki: Other markets may adopt the test, and in any case they can now advertise with how good it did in this test, even for cars that are on sale in Malaysia for example.

Ps: I hate Pug because they bought Citroen and ruined it, took out all the creativity and madness and uniqueness there was.

I just test drove the Kia Sportage and Optima, are these better or worst than Pugs 308t and 408t, Madza 3 2.0 and CX-5?

I must admit I was very comfortable with the Kia Sportage although on my mind, will I be throwing money away on such cars?

Next trip will be the Volvo showroom. I was told Volvos are a pain to own, can anyone prove my rumour mill wrong?

Throwing your money away in what sense?

Spot on, zweimmk.

However after viewing the euroncap website, the KIA sportage looks the best for buck car at the moment. I was told the newer engines Sportage will be available in Mac 13, and waiting period is 3 months. Saw the CX-5 as well, it is better than the Sportage by just a point, but pricewise, it is almost 20k more. But this will change if the new CRV comes with 6 airbags.

I wonder how are Naza Kia's and Mazda's SC, good or fxxked up? 

As for the Pugs, I supposed it will have to wait, need a SUV at the moment.   

Most of those who bought the new Camry in Malaysia are not those who actually bothered to scout around and try out other D segment makes out there. Many of them actually went for the brand and the after sales record that comes with it. And im very sure most of them dont even know what Stability Control is and thus wouldnt mind not having it.

Actually I think JB is the best place to own a conti. SG is nearby, so there is an abundance of cheap spare parts.

Camry the older models are darlings and stable the newer models 2010 onwards are rubbish , with major disc brake problems continuously,if you talk to Camry users they will acknowledge unhappily , I wont buy a Camry again, Toyota never take ownership and fix it permanently they always dily daly