Not to defend any car makes here, but as IRC this test has caught many car makes unawares. Many cars have failed this test.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Dec 25 2012, 08:07 PM) But few as bad as the Camry and Prius V. I wonder about cars that are not sold in US fare in such test, for example Protons, Peroduas, Pugs.   |
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Dec 25 2012, 09:43 PM
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kadajawi,
any idea about the pug 308t and 408t? |
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Dec 26 2012, 09:24 AM
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yes i would like to know about the 408 and 308 as i m considering it at the moment.
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Dec 26 2012, 10:36 AM
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I prefer the 308t but was told the horrible reliability of the 308t by the SA.
His advice, go for the 408t instead since the ECU has been updated. |
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Dec 27 2012, 08:25 PM
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I just test drove the Kia Sportage and Optima, are these better or worst than Pugs 308t and 408t, Madza 3 2.0 and CX-5?
I must admit I was very comfortable with the Kia Sportage although on my mind, will I be throwing money away on such cars? Next trip will be the Volvo showroom. I was told Volvos are a pain to own, can anyone prove my rumour mill wrong? |
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Dec 28 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Dec 28 2012, 08:30 AM) Probably worried about resale value of these KIA I think. Spot on, zweimmk. However after viewing the euroncap website, the KIA sportage looks the best for buck car at the moment. I was told the newer engines Sportage will be available in Mac 13, and waiting period is 3 months. Saw the CX-5 as well, it is better than the Sportage by just a point, but pricewise, it is almost 20k more. But this will change if the new CRV comes with 6 airbags. I wonder how are Naza Kia's and Mazda's SC, good or fxxked up?  As for the Pugs, I supposed it will have to wait, need a SUV at the moment.   |
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Dec 28 2012, 11:13 AM
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CKD CX5 will likely be a stripped version. And the CBU CX5 scored just a point higher than the Sportage but its $20k more. I do have my reservations with KIA, and factoring in Naza. Makes me ponder many many times. How competent are the SCs?
Not looking for sedans and MPVs after watching the euroncap videos. The major concerns are side impacts. Scary. |
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Dec 28 2012, 11:52 AM
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kadajawi,
Have you seen a SUV t-boning a sedan? Its horrible. Do you have a better solution? |
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Dec 30 2012, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 28 2012, 02:34 PM) Hey Cybermaster98, would you help out lunchtime there, he is pondering about Naza Kia service, care to comment? I am only keen with a SC which allows me to talk to the chief mechanic face to face at the service bays. I am doing that with my current SCs for my cars and also with my previous cars. I am not keen to talk to service advisors which are basically messenger boys to the service guys. Plus SC must have competent mechanics which can solve problems, not try to solve problems. Any Naza Kia SC to recommend? |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Dec 30 2012, 10:23 PM) As for safety issues, I dun think customers are allow to enter the service bays. No service centre will want to take responsibility on any injury might cause to the owner in the process. Request to talk to chief mechanic in the customer lounge is reasonable if you ask me. Sorry, I cannot agree with you on this unless I know the chief mechanic is competent. Most SC will try to bullsxxt their way. I don't have the time to keep bringing the car back for service or minor adjustments. Running two service centre in Ipoh, I always insist the customers to stay in customer lounge. Will arrange chief mechanic or service advisor to explain to the customers if anything arise matter that required detailed elaboration. I personally know the GMs of my current marques and the chief mechanic of the SCs, both will collect my cars for servicing and delivered them after servicing. |
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Dec 30 2012, 10:58 PM) From your words, I do able to interpret that you able to judge how competent a chief mechanic by seeing him doing the work, and you know what he is doing is CORRECT or WRONG, based on your technical experience. HAHAHA, you are interpreting me wrongly. I prefer to know the chief mechanic personally as well and to know what is happening to my car. It is just my preference. I never know that standing beside the car looking at the chief mechanic doing the work, is consider able to judge the competency of the chief mechanic. Btw, most chief mechanic is doing the monitoring work in the service centre and most works are handled by the normal technicians. Chief mechanic is doing the supervisory work all the time if you don't know. I don't think of knowing the GMs of your current marques will help in judging the chief mechanic competency. Knowing the GMs usually ensures the car is serviced properly, I use the word 'usually', not 'always'. This is my personal experience.  This post has been edited by lunchtime: Dec 30 2012, 11:05 PM |
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 31 2012, 07:36 AM) So lunchtime, did u test drive the Volvo? Not yet, busy with year end holidays and shopping  My other half insist on me shopping ALONE for cars  |
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I suppose the tagline Volvo for Life has some truth in it.
Contis and its reliability problems are forever an issue, which is another factor pushing me towards the Koreans. The issue with the Japs are the tone downed specs. |
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