say old kancil or iswara

Won't lah, once you bring out your pocket has lot of cash, I think them envy you so much.

old car is the king of the road while traffic jam

Aiyoh too bad you sound the old car breakdown on the road of traffic jam.

I used to drive a 1991 maroon Iswara aeroback megavalve

I just make sure my car is always neat and looks like new, they respect me because I really know maintaining my car

This post has been edited by neo1point3: Dec 10 2012, 07:57 PM

not breakdown on the road la,when u wanna cut q on traffic jam,everyone let u go 1st ,as they dont wish to scratch thier car with ur old 1...

for me, i prefer Cash In Wallet rather than show-off with liabilities...

An owner of an old, well maintained, both mechanically and cosmetically is a car enthusiast. He knows a lot about cars, even new ones even though he drives an old one. Workshops do think twice before trying to con you, although most probably you already have a trusted mechanic and workshop.

And If you have tons of cash with you, other car people respect you. Those who look down are usually not car people. The drive flashy cars yet don't know nuts about the cars themselves.

Why have to be ashamed? You're not stealing someone else car, right?

i got more shame if me being "tapau" by old car.. huhu.. certain old cars can attract people compare new cars..

Kesian TS,

bigger car, new car attract attentions ?

Shame on you man, go back and study law of attractions, not Materialize Attraction

as long as dun need paid bank installment, it's ok 4 me.

one more good benefit is, will not attract burglar to your house !!!

correct!

i am still driving my 9years old kancil eventho its old...im not ashamed...hehehe

ashamed for? i m still driving my 20yrs old corolla..free from loan

honda nsx year 1991 also old car. Skyline r34 year 2002. Mazda rx7 1997. Ferrari f40 1989 i think.

i'll drive any of those cars over new mercedes c200k or bmw 328, etc

coz u used sgti and neo as ur chick magnet..

driving a 1999 iswara aeroback
no one ever believed me when i say the car is 13 years old lol.

and yea maintaining the car pretty damn well, and with the way i spend on my car, many people just straight out call me crazy

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Added on December 10, 2012, 9:32 pmthis lol. i can attest to that personally

although naw, im pretty poor thanks to pouring so much money onto the car lolz

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 10 2012, 09:32 PM

i drive old Mazda and i look down on old kancil and old iswara.

I think what matters more is the mountain in your bank, not the liability/depreciating asset you have.

So it's a good move you're not in debt but... make sure you save while you still drive 'de old car.

my friend who has no interest whatsoever on buying a new car. Still driving his old kancil...guess wat? He is way richer than me...

thinking of investing in properties and all many years before me

While I have managed to get one after much struggle.

Why malu drive old car? You should malu with Malaysia automotive industry got so much tax here and there that's why people cannot buy new car. Car is necessity and not luxury. The AP system screws everything up and it will take another 50 years to reduce the car price. Don't malu2.

kancil o iswara isnt very old le, i drive older car be4, 25years ++ one also gt, last time i own a toyota ee90, spray be4 and well taken k, also drive mah, ok for me, as long as not too old till like door wan fall down, as long as all function and air con is ok.

The only problem I see with old cars is that they lack all the safety features, and in general technology (especially in terms of safety) has advanced a lot. Though if I look at new ASEAN spec Japanese cars...

Still, I'd really love to own and drive a 1970 Dodge Challenger, and a Mini. And an old hearse. And a couple of other old cars. There's just something about these old cars... (not that they are cheap though...).

never shame with it.
you must proud own an old car.
because it still on the road.

agree. driving nice cars for everyday driving/jam is just a hassle

Old car (provided in good condition) works better than newer, modern cars.

Previously driving nissan sunny, then switched to Wira 1.3. Miss that feeling of driving the Sunny. And the wira has abit more problem than the sunny.

But women/girls will sometimes not appreciate or like to be seen, in a old junk.

My old junk is 18years old and am proud to drive it.

last 2 years, i bought a 10 years old kancil 660 manual at 5k...happy driving it, after 7 months, sold it for 5.6k.... not sure what to embarrassed about? My watch cost almost my car anyway..

I'm still using old kancil and almost 11 years old bike. Works perfectly.
Why malu?

Some girls prefer a man with thick pocket so they can shave it thin and then dump him.

as many said, why ashamed?!

i have friends pay 1k+ installment monthly and eat breads only most of the time... the feeling of no need to pay installment is so awesome... i can go fine dining anytime i want without those costly installments... much better...

rich ppl with old cars is like hidden gem... my colleague husband and wife each earn ~10k monthly each, but drive an old 15 years wira... that i respect...

Actually wira, saga 1st batch or kancil all not be shy.

The only I will laugh on the 30 yrs older car and never do the touch up painted with here & there dent with body rashing until become a hole.

But still can drive like sport car style
Once you looking the car an worries about flying wheel..

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 11 2012, 07:55 AM

what to malu...unless the car is terribly bad, bang here there, never wash never fix, paint peel off etc..maybe bit else got a kancil o iswara ...oredi make so many biker envy la

This is call buruk

Thanks brother
Where you get it photo?
This is what I meantion also

i think JPJ have right summon the driver as endanger other drivers as the car safety issues...

Still can move

age of car isnt a factor. its the condition of car that matters.
A 20 year old car but well maintained would still earn my respects.
Compared to a 1 year old car but terribly maintained, scratches, dents, broken parts or even simply just dirty as hell, I would think the owner must be terrible as well.

it's a toyota ,man lol

hai car otai's, im planning to get a prelude yr 2000. old car with a bit of pride. any negative comment? asking for nasihat here.

people respect you for your knowledge and amount of cash in your bank...people think you're dumb for buying expensive liabilities..but most malaysians have little knowledge so they need to buy cars to show off since they don't really possess anything substantial anyway..

Where got hassle? Some nice new cars accelerate and slow down themselves (radar guided cruise control), will steer a bit to keep the lane and warn you when you leave it etc. Such a car surely nicer to drive in traffic jam, no need to work.

Also if you can easily afford it, you shouldn't drive an old banger. Or is your life worthless? Do you think you are invincible? Such cars will easily and quickly kill you if you give them the chance. Even if you drive slow, others may not do it. And the survival chances are much better in a modern conti. Especially compared to the Kancil. Drive a Polo if you could afford S class, sure, but at least it is a modern vehicle, built to protect the driver.

That Toyota looks awesome. I love dragsters etc built around these sort of cars, exterior looks awful and like from scrapyard, but they have at least 500 HP, good brakes, roll cage, ... those are awesome. A bit like Rat Rods.

Anyway, never seen stock car races? I'm not surprised that Toyota still runs.

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This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 11 2012, 12:59 PM

wrong mentality bro. that is your own perception. have you seen the mega wealthy? not the 10-15k per month wealthy.

I drive a 15 yrs old Satria, it's in a good condition. Loan free and it's decent so i'm cool.

Parents are very worried about the road accidents lately so they want me to get a safer car.

no doubt the car you are driving represent your status in public in someway.

but to me, it is more of a personal achievement rather to show the public. Work my ass to get the car i want, and that is what i call achievement!

malu?
i will feel malu if i drive a big car, someone came up to me and asked how much it is?...and i said.."I dunno coz papa bought it for me"



One advise: be more mature and stop being materialistic.

as long as i can go from point A to point B is good enough for me..

I started with an old car too long ago.
I know the feeling if ppl with nicer cars look down on my old car. Such arrogance!
I respect all other cars nowadays on the road no matter what they drive, as long the driver isnt an idiot.

This post has been edited by motomeiji: Dec 11 2012, 01:51 PM

To me malu or not malu is not matter. Old car lack of safety feature to protect passenger. I saw most victims badly injured or died in MVA are old car passengers. Sometimes unknown reason car skidded.

Sometimes it's not the fault of old car drives too but accidents do happen.

That's the part where safety features come in.

safety features has nothing to do with age of the car. not directly.

i started w/a toyota LE 1.3 back in late 90's.. then to nissan sunny by early 20's (both, bought 2nd-hand ard 8yrs old & above ) till waja 1st new car w/ installment... i felt more hassle-FREE & proud drove the two OLD horse than very malu on a new waja back then..

p/s"- hi! motomeiji its me again

This post has been edited by vincentwmh: Dec 11 2012, 02:07 PM

How is that?

Technology advancements have made modern cars safer than 20 year old bangers. Even if we ignore equipments such as ABS and ESC, improvements in chassis design and materials have made cars tougher. For example, the newest Mitsu Lancers chassis is protects it's occupants much better than, say, a Lancer III.

I repeat - safety features has nothing to do with age of the car. not directly.
a 10 year old volvo will still beat a brand new myvi, for example.
age isnt the factor.

Old mean really old car like dutsun, old proton saga with no air bag, then we will talk about malu or not malu. I wont malu driving old version lamborghini, ferrari, mclaren =)
Age also can affect safety feature. Old saga no air bag. I dont know new saga blm got air bag not la

my friends refer to my cars aged around 10 years as "old car"
So I used them as benchmark lo

I dont really care, unless they cucuk me lol

I wont malu drive old car as long as not proton. Haha. I can accept old vios, old camry, old bmw, old civic, old myvi (myvi, reason safe fuel, n comfort ride, as im tall size, althought it looks ugly. Haha). As long as it can make me feel safe. So bad me, talk like proton very bad ><

what if the old car cucuk you is ae86?

play with him lo, dunno the driver skilled or nt

then i guess kancil will do the job right? why buy a crz?

How bout MR2/MRS?

For me when get the key an OTR is new car after 1 yr old feel like Old car...

That's why buy new can be the old car at 1 day.

haha..mega wealthy ppl tend to stay low..at least for those in hk..theres simply no need to show off by buying a ferrari...which would only cause envy and evil thoughts..

Got la. I know some rich-dad-sons who like to show off their father's richess.
My job force me to be among such people. I dont see what is there to show-off since the money is not their own effort.
End up they just look like paris hilton and appear ridiculous

love all the jdm old car. why care about others thinking.

you siok sendiri can already

this is the point im very agreeable. some ppl drive decent car r decent drivers as well even some local brand car can sometime be nuisance & vice versa. idiotic driver or not is usually not related to the car he drive.

ppl who maintain old car well is respectable. ppl drive a good car is respectable as well. even tho we dono the story behind it , i mean who paid for the car or his own hard earned money - but the facade is respectable AS LONG AS he doesnt be an idiot.


I agree with your point but your example sure lah, volvo is how much price punya car vs myvi how much. volvo well known for the chassis solid like rock.


personal achievement ,yeahhhh......if I can own a 'dream' car, I will get one. cuz I like car so much.

many ppl dont realise, or dont want to acknowledge, that many owner try to get a better car because they want to enjoy a better ,probly luxurious car, or simply a car enthusiast themselve RATHER THAN SHOWING OFF

Of course, I personally have friend like that, but you cannot be cynical and generalize everyone with a decent car as negative, bad or showing off.

I believe many ppl even here in F&F are car enthusiast, if they can afford a good car , they will definitely get one. Again, it's about that ATTITUDE....phrases like biar papa , asalkan bergaya ...is more negative character association with showing off rather than truly car enthusiast or passionate toward car, will try to afford and maintain one but keeping it low profile and still very road civic and understanding to other motorists as well..

i just beh tahan that other ppl try to knock down on ppl expense that do drive a slightly better car when most of the time, ppl get a new better car because they always emphasize, they like sthg about it or because their career is improving, and feel more safety for their family . unless after getting the car, the ATTITUDE then is SHOWING OFF. thats where the idiocy begins and bring a bad name to those who change better cars.



This post has been edited by wayfeel: Dec 11 2012, 05:21 PM

Lol. The cash in your pocket is more important than the car you drive, bro.

If still reliable whynot?

But old cars usually not reliable.

Overheating, rust and reliability is always an issue

my car over 30yrs old about the same ages as me...sometimes i park jockey oso and alot pipul rook at me...i bangga abit cause most car in jockey are new car...

if you tend to worry a lot what other people would say to you when you drive an old car better get new car.

its not the car's age that matter but the driver's attitude.
what is the point of driving a new car but driver don't even bother to use the signal light, hogging the fast lane or zig zag like no tomorrow?

so you love to argue for the sake of arguing.

i have the option to drive a rm10k proton and a conti, the conti is reserved for spirited run for the weekend. my conti is not an S class and does not have those features, and i doubt it will help here. please talk from malaysian point of view.
my dsg gb also quite terrible for slow driving and will i even need the extra power in such traffic conditions?

how about scratches? last time my old banger kena hit at side mirror during the jam, and i got nothing to worry.
and the all the stupid lubang and road conditions that will kill the expensive tires/rims/shocks in no time...

and not to mention when your boss see your car too.

and when i go work i dont want to worry about the car, just park and straight focus.

and what kind of safety mumbo jumbo do i need at 20km/h?

pretty much this haha.

Exactly. You can drive like a turtle, doesn't matter. Someone else may be speeding, or just inconsiderate, sleepy, whatever, and crash into you. How good are your chances of survival? Small hint: Watch this video.
Are you sure you want to sit in that Wira? (Yes, technically it's an Arena, but the front end is the same, right? I think this test is quite reliable.) I don't think the old Saga is better than that. Or a Kancil. (Or Viva...). Then watch this video, of the new Saga. Same crash test:


And finally a state of the art car, the new C segment Volvo V40.


Now I won't look down upon you for driving an old Saga, Wira, Kancil, ... (I might though if you drive a Camry). But if you can afford it (without too much pain), please do consider buying a safer car. You don't even need to spend a ton on it. A Citroen Xsara for example can be yours for around 10k. Yes, it will be harder to maintain, it might be a bit more expensive to run. But the drive is much better, and the car is reasonably safe. Again, if you don't have a choice, you don't have a choice. But if you DO have a choice, if you could easily afford something better, then by all means, do it. Even if it is a Saga or Myvi. Anything will be better than that old car.

What good are all your investments (and I believe the housing market in Malaysia is a bubble that is going to burst sooner or later) when you are dead?

@motomeiji: I beg to differ.

While yes, there are some rubbish new cars, there were basically no good cars (by todays standards) 20-30 years ago. Regardless of brand, reputation or price. I mean normal cars, not race prepped cars with cage, racing harnesses, helmet etc.

There are enough tests to show that:

(A good car 9 years ago, vs a good current (at the time of the test) car. Same class, actually same car, just different generation.)

A 10 year old Volvo might beat a Myvi, but then again the Myvi design is already many years old. But a 20 year old Volvo? No way will it beat the Myvi.

Btw. lowering your car doesn't seem a good idea either:


I also don't think people generally drive an expensive car to show off (one of my uncles certainly thinks so though of drivers of cars that are more expensive than his car). Of course there are people like that, maybe those who put fake badges onto their cars? Like lowest spec S class transforms into S63 AMG etc.).

And after all of this I do also have to say that I admire drivers of well kept old cars. While it is a safety risk, there are some very nice old cars, and they deserve to be kept alive and in good shape.

@phas3r: Some of these features should be already available in our markets, or they may soon. (Focus probably?). But yes, probably that's just argument for arguments sake. However I still don't see why it should be less stressful. Ok, so scratches and bangs won't bother you as much. But if you scratch or bang an expensive car and need to pay? It also IMHO takes more effort to drive an older car. The brakes are not as good, the steering is not as light. It tends to be rather noisy inside. Always the fear of dying because the car is not exactly safe. There are probably many more reasons.

DSG give problems for slow driving? I beg to differ, at least the one I drive occasionally does not give me any trouble. In fact I find the 4 speeder of my own car by far inferior, also at low speeds. It is rougher, harder to dose, jerky, ...

Expensive tyres and rims can be replaced by more sensible ones. I do advise against big rims anyway, there is little gain at a high cost (not just monetary).

Do you always drive only 20 km/h? Can you influence the speed at which others drive? And even a hit at 50 km/h can be very serious.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Dec 12 2012, 01:20 AM

Truly rich will have nice cars and money in the pocket. No need to sacrifice one for the other. Yes your BMW might lose half of the value over 5 years, what's the problem? Sheer driving pleasure man.

damn my car is lowered, and i kinda wanna keep it that way for better cornering/driving stability

very agree. the rich no need to choose one over the other cuz can afford both.

most working class or middle class would have to compromise abit.

some ppl rather drive a nice car because he likes it so much n spend less on food and travel less.

or spend more on children and compromise abit on 2nd tier choice, say a cr-z than a VW tiguan (true story) cuz he told me when u r married w kids, u will think of safety, thus ,an SUV

can't say he is wrong, different ppl different priority. some call it different passion, right.

It's not a crime to like a car passionate and change to that decent looking car by becoming more thrifty and work harder rather than being labelled, 'this dude chg car, but broke his bank'. of course it is unwise but well that's his choice.

as long as other ppl respect that and not call him all the negative things just because he likes a good car & drives with civic conscious in his mind then I think there's nothing wrong .

mayb you should ask yourself - why u so kepoh in the first place? maybe you should work harder to upgrade your life than be a cynic

+1 THIS! THIS!

haha if you are telling me you are driving a crap car just to have some savings in your banking account that means you are still poor. lol no offence.

u mean something like this?

old is ok..as long u maintain and take care of it.

i have a kelisa for day drive
and a conti for long hauls

city drive, small cars are way better

Hv a 97 factory std Corolla SEG apart from 14" alloys bought cash wit my own money.

My biggest n probably only pain wit it is when ppl say:

"Hey, ur car really clean lah. Izit from ur dad?"

Whole heartedly agree with you on this.
Sometimes drive to shopping or quick errands, I still pick that tiny car.

prefer a decent car with a lot of cash

I only malu when my 10 year old wira breakdown while taking my boss to meet customer.

As a student, I remember I drive my 1983 Civic (in 2002) with rusted holes in body and floor pan (lift rubber mat you can see the road), and get stuck in jam outside Lot 10. Was next to a dude in a Porsche, he look at me and give me thumbs up - tarak malu pun hehe

why he gave u a thumbs up for no reason?
maybe he wanna race with u LOL

maybe means u got guts to drive that thing out

haha, probably!

ROFL i get that too sometimes, minus out the "dad" part of course as my car is kinda, well it "shows" that it is my car and not an unker's car haha

old car also, but nice.

Haha. Similar to mine when was driving my dads '72 Datsun during college days.

Got a honk while driving over Sunway Pg bridge in morning jam. Didnt bother at first, until I got a 2nd honk.

Tis time turn to d right n saw tis 2 guys in a soupped up Wira. Both gv me 2 thumbs up and a silly smile b4 driving off.

What a way to start a day

used to have a crappy ae86 before it became popular, probably rusted to death

Eh, I remember when I was in my friend's 1970 VW Beetle in Bangsar, when we stumbled 3 porshe at the traffic light. He step hard on the accelerator to emit that common loud VW chain engine...to invite them for a race..vroom vroom. Traffic light turned green...the first Porshe driven by an eurasian chick easily sped past us. Then the second Porshe driven by a dude sped past us....the third one also spend past us.....

TS, my advice would be.. don't depend your self esteem on physical materials.

i drive old car too saga megavalve 1.5i 21 years old ready, no malu nor problem also. in fact cheaper maintainence and less problems compared to new protons. Even my regular foreman say never sell the car"cause he eyeing for it". on the other hand there are 2 more other car's at home which i can't say the same for them. damm pain in the ass.

my old wira still can tapao myvi in 3rd gear

But my old myvi can tapao u 1st from standstill pickup

This post has been edited by gorson: Dec 12 2012, 05:34 PM

until 20kmh?