Hi skydrake,

Here are some verses if you like:

Genesis 42:38 says, “Then you will bring down my gray hairs in sorrow to Sheol.” These were Jacob’s words. Jacob said that he would go in sorrow to Sheol, which is equal to Hades in the New Testament. Perhaps some would say, “This is because Jacob was a bad person who could not be compared with his father, Isaac, and much less with his grandfather, Abraham. It is right for a person like him to go down to Hades. Abraham, however, probably did not go down to Hades.” Nevertheless, Genesis 49:33 says that Jacob “expired, and he was gathered to his people.” Jacob was gathered to his people. In other words, he went to the place where Abraham and Isaac were.

Psalm 16:10 says, “For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol.” This is not only a prophecy concerning the Lord Jesus but also a reference to David, a saint in the Old Testament. According to this word, the Old Testament saints admitted that their souls would go down to Hades at the time of their death. The statement You will not abandon my soul to Sheol tells us two things. First, it tells us that their souls would go to Hades and second, that their souls would not be abandoned to Hades. This means that although their souls would go to Hades, they would be resurrected one day and would therefore not be abandoned to Hades.

Of course, you have the story of Lazarus...

In Luke 23 the repentant robber who was being crucified said to the Lord Jesus, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” And Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise” (vv. 42-43). This word clearly shows us that on the same day that the Lord Jesus died, the robber went with Him to Paradise. You may think that on the day the Lord Jesus died, the robber went with Him to a heavenly mansion. However, Matthew 12:40 says, “For just as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.” The Lord died and was in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Immediately after the Lord yielded up His spirit on the cross, His spirit and soul departed from His body, not to go to a heavenly mansion but to Hades, and stayed in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

John 3:13, which was spoken by the Lord Jesus while He was on the earth as the Son of Man, says, “And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.” While the Lord was on the earth, He said that no one had ascended to heaven. This indicates that all the spirits and souls of the saints who died in the Old Testament did not go to heaven, because no one other than the Lord had ever ascended to heaven.

Acts 2:34 says, “David did not ascend into the heavens.” These words were spoken by Peter on the day of Pentecost after the Lord Jesus had ascended.  Furthermore, his tomb was still among the disciples on the day of Pentecost (v. 29).

Well .. some verses are not so direct ... I guess this is enough

How come, I don't have doctrinal problem with you?  

This prophetjul, every time coming in here, the first thing I notice, He fires his machine gun. Honestly it's a distraction more than anything. Yeah, I agree it's an "arena" and I think I have enough of entertaining his problem. He can talk all he wants I'm done wasting my time in unfruitful ventures.

haha so you are in the camp of being Eternally secured in Salvation. I'm with you brother. 
Hebrews 9:28 (NIV)
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

You're talking about this isn't it?

Being made perfect in body, soul, mind and spirit.

Christ will come again to bring salvation to make us perfect. This Salvation is not talking about sin because He has dealt with that at the cross.

This Salvation is to redeem us with incorruptible body and to be like Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:49 & 52) Like his transcended body after the resurrection where He can travel through the doors to be with the apostles and perfect in Faith, body, soul, spirit and mind.

God Bless.

It wasn't the nails that held Jesus on the cross, it was his love for you and I.

Hi Skydrake,

I'm sure you'll like this song

planetshaker will be free I think.

These people are good in their ministry. They are international and world recognized.

Anyway it's not always we get to see them in Malaysia.

I used to hear Michael W Smith when I was in youth on tapes n cds.

There are season performers.

So in my opinion, the price is justified.

Wow... Just... wow. I don't even know what to say. Fine, if you love to force a square peg into a round hole. Some people do read too much into things, too much.  So you are basically saying in our different seasons of life, we are supposed to stay in the same place, despite it being a barren land? I just find it mind-boggling that some Christians believe that you aren't supposed to find a spiritual family that gels with you, and you are supposed to continue in one that doesn't support in your journey of faith, or worse, cause your faith to backslide.

If you are so supportive about "genuine faith", that that means we could hypothetically grow independent of a church, we don't need a church. So why are you so worked up on this? Your "genuine faith" means we can experience God and grow spiritually anywhere and anytime, irregardless of whether you are in a church or not.
My faith grew independent of the church I went to for 3 years in the past. I tried so hard to fit in the spiritual family for years, and I failed. The avenues for me to serve in different ministries were limited. Yeah, apparently I am supposed to continue staying in this barren land and somehow hoping for God to turn this rut into a garden *sarcasm*. I've been praying and petitioning about it for 4 years!


Yes, church membership is not about how entertaining the service is, or how exciting their youth group is, or how good looking the members are, or how loud or invigorating their music are, or any number of surface-like stuff. No, that's not the needs I am talking about, that's worldly distractions.

Instead, the key is how you fit within the local body of believers. How does one church positively challenge you more than the other? What could you bring to each congregation? What do you gain from each? What gifts could you use in each church? Which congregation do you find yourself growing more spiritually and you could serve God wholeheartedly?

Anyway, it's clear that this is going nowhere. I won't bother replying anymore. It's just mind-boggling, I am utterly in awe at what people say in here.

Because I don't think its right for us to dictate the lives of others.
Thank you for the reply but unfortunately I don't believe in the bible as the word of God so I can't agree with anything that you say.Nevertheless its always interesting to see this issue from another perspective.
Well sexuality isn't a black and white topic.

I'm bi-sexual. I never chose to disobey God. I never had the chance to choose how I feel about guys and girls.

So am I going to hell ? Because that is happens to people who disobey god right ?

We were taught to love everyone anyway.

No I'm not really bothered by False prophets because I also know too much fear can cause one from seeing the good plans of God.
It can cripple your walk with God. Anyone who knows what is the truth, will also know it's settled in the heart. Don't have to fling your arms shouting
like a paranoid person. Jesus's warning is one of internal discernment. Never to cause unnecessary conflict with another fellow human being.

Perhaps because this is a forum, you have no problem offending anyone because you are after all behind a computer screen. But in reality if you were to do
in real life, I would say you lack tactfulness. Either that or you're still young. As to why I say you are cold, i remember you arguing with other forum members (none Christians) who
rejected you outright. You did not realize that you just caused them to distance themselves from the gospel.

Thank you for the sharing of word!~this thread is awesome because of u guys~

Everyday Bible verses with UW

Disappointed Election?
We have recently gone through the general election process, though some may rejoice and some with disappointments.
It doesn't matter who comes into power and authority because the Bible declare it is God who appoints Governing Authorities, (1 Peter 2:13, Romans 13:1).
and God is able to to use both the wicked and the righteous for his will for the greater good. ( Proverbs 16:4, Romans 9:17).

That is sovereignty of our God.

If we can understand that God is still on His throne, it gives us comfort then, nothing is lost. Because his eternal words promise ALL things work together for our good. (Romans 8:28)

Therefore it doesn't give us an excuse to rebel just because a political party not of our choosing comes into power.

We forget too soon, that there is a second coming of Christ Jesus where this time it will be a once and for all Ruling Establishment by God in Heaven & on Earth by God's own people.
If we can see in the longer eternal view, then be assured even this momentary disappointment is for the glory of our Lord (Romans 9:17) so that people will come to know Him.


God Bless.

Everyday Bible verses with UW

The reality of God
If you study all the key person of various religions, you'll realise this staggering difference, Jesus Christ is the only one who said "I and the Father are one". It's found in in the book of John 10:30, simply, translated it means Jesus Christ is God.


God Bless.

It's the Holy Spirit leading my writing.

I search the Bible, meditate and write.

I don't really care what other people say about me, but I care about the flock of sheep in this thread.

It is God who encourage me daily to write. He told me there will be people who are infected with a spirit of religion who will try to stop my writing but God
told me, He is with me. His will confirm it with answered prayers, signs, wonders and miracles. Other "Christians" can only talk but they don't walk in the power of the Holy Spirit.
They have a form of religion but no power. (2 Timothy 3:5).

His rhema word talked to me; (John 15:20) A servant is not above his master, If they persecuted Jesus, they will also persecute me.

That lifted me up.

Praise God that it benefit you.

Yup you're right, the Gospel is not about talk or argument of words or theology.

It's about saving life, restoring what was stolen, etc. This is where actions comes in with Faith (book of James).

I really believe the gospel will make people whole and complete again.

All these can only happen through Jesus Christ our God.

God desires to prosper us so that we can stand up and help others.

Jesus says apart from Him, We cannot do anything.

People who like to critic, argue, finding faults, must be "theologically correct" on the dot, will end being nothing but a pharisee or teacher of the law. lol.

They are trying to hinder what God is trying to restore.

Any site or video that gives daily encouragement in our Christian walk?

puah,

That is a misconception. God desires all men to come to the full knowledge of the truth . Full time or not, we all have to come to know fully the truth.

Don't use this as a excuse, bro. Pursue the truth