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LYN Christian Fellowship V6 (Group), God Loves you.
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Nov 12 2013, 04:09 PM
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Thank you so much replying. Got to keep that in mind, agree with God disagree with self
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Nov 12 2013, 04:26 PM
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Nov 14 2013, 02:25 PM
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JOHN 8TH CASE cont...
When the Lord Jesus saw this blind man, He said, “While I am in the world, I am the light of the world” (9:5). The Lord is the light of life (8:12). Blindness comes from the shortage of the light of life. Every dead person is a blind man. Undoubtedly, the dead cannot see anything. Therefore, blindness indicates the lack of life. If you have life, then you have sight, for light opens your eyes. So, first of all, the Lord pointed out that the blind man needed the light of life. By the Anointing of the Word of Life Mingled with Humanity Verse 6 is very interesting. “When He had said this, He spat on the ground and made clay of the spittle and anointed his eyes with the clay.” When I was a young Christian, I laughed at what the Lord did. What He did was very strange. No one likes to touch a person’s spittle. But the Lord Jesus mixed His spittle with the ground and made clay. Then He used the clay to anoint the man’s eyes. The Gospel of John is a book of pictures, and this incident is a picture. We should not understand it merely according to the black and white letters. The word mingling is used in Leviticus 2:5. “And if thy oblation be a meat offering baked in a pan, it shall be of fine flour unleavened, mingled with oil.” This is a type. The fine flour typifies the humanity of the Lord Jesus, and the oil typifies the Holy Spirit, the divinity of the Lord Jesus. Therefore, in the Person of the Lord Jesus there is the mingling of divinity with humanity. Now we may return to John 9 and apply to it this concept of the mingling of divinity with humanity. The clay in 9:6, as in Romans 9:21, signifies humanity. Man is clay. We all are clay. What is the spittle? Spittle here, as something “that proceeds out of the mouth” (Matt. 4:4) of the Lord, signifies His “words which...are spirit and life” (John 6:63). Figuratively speaking, the spittle is the Word, which is spirit and life, that proceeds out of the mouth of the Lord. The Word that proceeds out of the mouth of Christ is spirit. Thus, to mingle spittle with the clay signifies the mingling of humanity with the Lord’s living Word. The word “anointed” proves this, because the Lord’s Spirit is the anointing Spirit (Luke 4:18; 2 Cor. 1:21-22; 1 John 2:27). The spittle, then, signifies the Word, the outflow of the very element or essence of the Lord Himself. The clay was mingled with the spittle. This signifies that the Lord mingles His essence with us by and even with His Word. We are clay by nature, and the very essence of the Lord in the Word is the spittle. Formerly, when we were sinners, we were dead. When we heard the Word of the Lord, His Word came into us as those made of clay. When we heard and received the gospel, it was actually the spittle of the Lord that came into us, men of clay. In other words, the clay received something that proceeded out of the mouth of the Lord and was mingled with it. The mingling of divinity with humanity is the most prevailing ointment on the whole earth. No other ointment can surpass it. The Lord anointed the man’s blind eyes with the clay that was mingled with spittle. This signifies the anointing of the Spirit of life. The anointing of the Spirit of life follows the mingling of the Lord in His Word with the clay. Immediately after you receive the Lord through His Word, there is the anointing of the Spirit of life. The Lord’s anointing the blind eyes with the clay made of His spittle signifies that by the anointing of the mingling of the Lord’s Word, which is His Spirit, with our humanity, our eyes, which were blinded by Satan, may have sight. |
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Nov 17 2013, 08:11 PM
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What does it really mean when the Bible says we give account at the day of Judgement? Is God going to read out everything about our life and grade it? I'd hate to hear my life all over again
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Nov 18 2013, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 17 2013, 08:11 PM) What does it really mean when the Bible says we give account at the day of Judgement? Is God going to read out everything about our life and grade it? I'd hate to hear my life all over again If you are open to some word of righteousness (versus honey-coated truths) ... in a strict sense, you should be encouraged that because of Christ's redemption, our old life is already crucified in Him. Hence, God is not concerned with our fallen human life in the old creation. In experience, we just have to apply His precious blood to cleanse us of our failures and weaknesses in our daily Christian life.Yet, there is a big BUT. Like you mentioned, at the judgment seat of Christ, the believers will be examined by the Lord. In 1 Corinthians 4:4b, Paul says, “He who examines me is the Lord.” Then in verse 5 he goes on to say, “Therefore do not judge anything before the time, until the Lord comes, who shall both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and make manifest the counsels of the hearts, and then there will be praise to each one from God.” In 1 Corinthians 9:17 Paul speaking of preaching the gospel says, “If I do this voluntarily, I have a reward.” The book of 1 Corinthians was written not to help lost sinners to be saved, but to help saved believers to grow (3:6-7), to build with precious materials (Triune God - 3:10, 12-14), to care for the Lord’s members (8:9-13), and to run the race (9:24). Hence, reward is mentioned repeatedly as an incentive to the believers’ progress (3:14; 9:18, 24-25). In Matthew 16:27 the Lord Jesus says, “The Son of Man is about to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each man according to his doings.” The context indicates that the Lord’s rewarding of His followers at His coming back in this verse will be according to whether they lose or save their soul, as mentioned in verses 25 and 26. This means that the reward will be given according to how we have borne the cross. It will depend on whether or not we keep ourselves under the killing of the cross, on whether we save our soul life in this age or lose it. If we bear the cross to follow the Lord by losing the enjoyment of our soul in this age, He will reward us with the enjoyment of the soul in the kingdom. In 16:27 the Lord says that He will reward “each man according to his doings,” that is, according to whether or not we lose our soul life’s enjoyment in this age. This will have nothing to do with our eternal salvation; however, it will have very much to do with the Lord’s dispensational reward to us. The Lord’s reward will be the entering into the kingdom, which will be at the manifestation of the kingdom. The manifestation of the kingdom in the millennium will be the reward to the followers who remain under the killing of the cross. All the believers who follow Christ in this way will be rewarded with the manifestation of the kingdom. Ah .... one post just can't do it ..... In principle, we will be judged in two areas: maturity in life and faithfulness in service (Matt. 25:1-30). To be mature in life means that the Christ who came into us has fully grown up till every part of our soul is filled with Him. That means our thoughts, our love, and our choices are filled with Christ. Faithfulness in service denotes that as we love the Lord, we serve Him as a slave. That we have been given at least one talent to function, to serve the saints, care for new ones, shepherd, preach the gospel etc. The Lord has entrusted the truth, church, gospel etc by measuring a portion to us. If we are not faithful to multiply His possessions, we will need to give an account to Him. |
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Nov 20 2013, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 17 2013, 08:11 PM) What does it really mean when the Bible says we give account at the day of Judgement? Is God going to read out everything about our life and grade it? I'd hate to hear my life all over again If you are left alone to defend yourself, you will have a valid reason to hate this.but as it is, you should know, you're not alone. Who is your high priest? |
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Nov 20 2013, 03:56 PM
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Nov 20 2013, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Nov 20 2013, 03:56 PM) Yes, God the Father has sworn and declared that Jesus is our High Priest forever.Psalm 110:4 - The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." Hebrews 6:20 - where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. A High Priest acts on behalf of the people towards God. That is what they do in the Old Testament. When one sins, the priest will perform the act of atonement and sacrificial ceremony on behalf of the sinner. OT atonement are not perfect. They have to do it every year because the blood of bulls and goats can never take away our sins. It was temporal atonement. But when Jesus atone us, his blood is the perfect sacrifice that atones us forever! One act at the cross, God's judgement towards us has been absolved at the cross and that is why Jesus now sits down at the Father right hand. Jesus sitting down signify that his work is perfect and is finished. (That is why the anti-christ/satan/other religion attacks the cross so much, he doesn't want people to know this.) As long as Jesus is our high priest forever, He defends us when we fall into sin. This is where you are concern about your records of past life, eh? 1 John 2:1 (NLT) My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. This means that if ever Satan accuse us to God of our short comings/sins, Jesus steps in and defends us like an advocate (lawyer). He's our lawyer and our priest. You understand? |
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Nov 22 2013, 11:05 AM
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John 8th CASE cont
By the Obedience to Life’s Word and the Washing Away of the Old Humanity After the blind man’s eyes had been anointed with the clay, he was more blind than before. Now a thick layer of clay covered his eyes. The Lord told him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (9:7). The man went, washed, and came seeing. To wash here is to cleanse away the clay. This signifies the washing away of our old humanity, as we have in baptism (Rom. 6:3-4, 6). That the blind man went and washed means he obeyed the life-giving Word of the Lord. So he received sight. If he had not gone to wash off the clay after being anointed with it, it would have blinded him even more. Thus, our obedience to the anointing brings us sight. The word Siloam means sent. This is very meaningful. The anointing of the Spirit of life means that you are always in the position of being sent. The anointing puts us on the ground of being sent. Therefore, we must obey. The Lord Himself always stood on the ground of being sent by the Father and He was always obedient. Now the Lord puts us in the same position as His sent ones. After we receive the Lord in His Word and have His anointing, He puts us in the position of being sent. We must now be obedient to His sending. After you receive the Lord in His Word, what is the first step that you should take in order to be obedient? Once you have believed in the Lord and received Him in the Word, the Lord will ask you to go to a “pool.” The first step is that the Lord will send you to a “pool.” He will send you to wash and be baptized. From then on, you must daily and throughout the day apply this washing. Day by day, you must realize that you are being washed during the whole day. Even today, I have been washed several times. An order from the Lord always follows the anointing of the Spirit of life within you: “Go and wash.” This chapter portrays the blind man, the Lord making the clay, the eyes of the blind man being anointed with the clay, and the Lord telling him to go and wash in the pool of Siloam. Once the blind man washed his eyes, the clay was gone. What is the clay? It signifies the natural life or the human self. When you went to be baptized, the old man, the old clay, was washed away. After the washing, it was buried in and under the water. Your old man was buried in the water after you were baptized. However, do you also realize that you must apply the washing of the baptism day by day? In every day of your Christian life you have to apply the washing of baptism by putting the self and the nature of the old man under the water of death. You must remember that the anointing within always demands that you apply the washing of baptism to yourself. If you do not apply this, you can never be obedient in following the anointing. The anointing within always demands that you go to Siloam and put yourself to death. You must bury yourself as the clay under the water of death. Perhaps you received an anointing this morning. If you neglect to apply the washing of baptism to yourself, you cannot obey that anointing. The command to put yourself under the water of death immediately follows the anointing. The anointing demands that you eliminate the old clay. When you do this, you will receive sight and light. According to our experience, after we follow the demand of the anointing to put ourselves into the water of death, we are very much in the light with the sight. Everything is clear to us because now we have both the sight and the light. The sunshine is actually within us. Our eyes are opened and we can see very clearly because we have received sight and are now in the light. |
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Nov 22 2013, 12:56 PM
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Wow this thread is amazing. Keep up the good work
btw I'm not a regular in lyn but saw this thread and just want to encourage you guys. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:05 PM
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Nov 22 2013, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 22 2013, 01:05 PM) YesRomans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile. and thanks for recommending Ravi Zacharias, watching his videos on youtube now. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(NinthGhost @ Nov 22 2013, 01:20 PM) Yes that guy is good. Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile. and thanks for recommending Ravi Zacharias, watching his videos on youtube now. able to tackle people like Richard dawkins doctrine head on and puts competing debater like Ahmad deedat in his place. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 22 2013, 01:29 PM) that guy is good. He is an astounding teacher able to tackle people like Richard dawkins doctrine head on and puts competing debater like Ahmad deedat in his place. We need to pray for more teachers like him, especially those who can teach in other languages coz his english might be too 'geng' for non-english speakers to understand. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(NinthGhost @ Nov 22 2013, 01:37 PM) He is an astounding teacher This one quite plain in English.We need to pray for more teachers like him, especially those who can teach in other languages coz his english might be too 'geng' for non-english speakers to understand. Original Sin - explained by Ravi Zacharia to a muslim. |
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Nov 22 2013, 01:59 PM
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Nov 25 2013, 11:09 AM
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JOHN 8TH CASE cont
What would have happened if the blind man had refused to obey the Lord’s command to go and wash? Although his eyes had been anointed with the clay, his refusal to obey would have made him even more blind. What the Lord had done thus far would have been a veil or a covering instead of an unveiling. Likewise, if we do not obey the anointing of the Spirit of life, the anointing will become a veil that covers our eyes instead of opening them. However, if we obey the anointing of the Spirit of life and put ourselves into death, our eyes will be opened. In short, we will have sight and will be in the light. Otherwise, our disobedience will cause the anointing of the Spirit of life to become a veil covering our eyes. Then we will become more blind and will be brought into deeper darkness. When I first received this interpretation, it was a strange one. However, as I prayed and checked with my experiences, I came to believe it. If you do the same, you will see that this is the correct interpretation. Many times you have received sight by the Divine Spirit being mingled with your humanity. For a short while, your eyes were covered and, temporarily, you were more blinded than ever. Eventually, after obeying the life-giving Word, your old nature was washed away. Then you had a clear sky. Please check with your experience. This was the procedure every time you received light. Do not consider that this story of healing the blind man is so simple. Simply reading or studying the Bible is inadequate. Without the mingling of the divine life with your humanity, you can never see the light of the Word. You may read it, but you cannot see it. Perhaps you have read a certain sentence in the Bible many times. But you just could not see the light in it. One day, you begin to see. Immediately your eyes are covered and temporarily you are even more blinded. However, if you obey the living Word and say, “Amen, Lord Jesus,” you immediately have the sensation that something has fallen off your eyes and you have light. Your old humanity has fallen away and you can see into the heavens. This is the way to receive light. There are three steps which we must follow in order to receive sight for our eyes. First of all, the clay must both receive and be mingled with the spittle. In other words, you, the old man, the clay, must receive the Lord’s Word as the spittle and be mingled with the Lord in His Word. Then the second step will follow—that is, after you have received the Lord in His Word, you will have the anointing. Finally, the third step follows the anointing: the demand to put the old self to death. The old clay must be put into the water of death. By these three steps your eyes will be opened. You will then have the sight and will always be in the light. |
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Nov 26 2013, 09:51 AM
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Nov 27 2013, 02:51 PM
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Ooo unknownwarrior what is it about?
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Nov 27 2013, 03:19 PM
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