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marfccy
post Dec 14 2012, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(__unknown__ @ Dec 14 2012, 02:09 PM)
Thanks for the reply man! Well currently I'm on a 2.5k to 3k budget but am willing to go up to 3.5k if the performance justifies the price hike  biggrin.gif

I've read up on components therefore the following would be my imagination of specs:

processor: intel i5 processors sounds good enough for me. i7's are said to be overkill because not much games supports HT for now?
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try this

Intel Core i5 3470 RM564
MSI B75MA P45 RM229
Kingston Value RAM 1x8GB RM114
Leadtek GTX670 RM1149 <--this is a very good card brows.gif
WD Blue 500GB RM169 or 1TB RM219
Silverstone Strider 500W RM219
Corsair Carbide 300R or Xigmatek Asgard Pro RM200-300
Lite-On 22x DVD Drive RM59
Total: RM2703

need monitor? hmm.gif
if yes, can try Dell U2312HM RM589 or LG IPS224T RM419

the build above i didnt recommend any sound card cause im not knowledgeable about it sweat.gif
let other sifus come and help smile.gif

or you can switch the GTX670 for a Sapphire HD7970 at RM1449 (this card's a beast) brows.gif

EDIT: just read your new editted post.

SSD helps to speed up booting and file transfer rate. Optional, but a good add wink.gif
Intel 330 120GB RM299 or Crucial M4 128GB RM339

as for GPU, what matters most is the FPS it can deliver on Full HD gaming smile.gif

also, why do you need 12GB? cause 8GB is sufficient for most casual users. unless youre gonna do heavy multitasking jobs?

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 14 2012, 02:22 PM
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(__unknown__ @ Dec 14 2012, 02:26 PM)
Everything seems nice! One more question tho.. Does overclocking matter much? I've seen people posting overclocking their processors to say achieve higher FPS for games?(Sorry if the technical terms are faulty cause i cant tell which is which)

And also do you happen to know any reputable vendor in lowyat? I had friend once made a rig there only to realize some components inside were'nt as he specified when his desktop broke down and sent for a fix.

I guess monitor is fine but does the monitor you suggest supports high res?(something like 1280*720)

Again thanks for the reply!
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for OC, unless you know what youre doing, better dont risk it. OC kills the parts lifespan but of course boost its performance. like for example, your CPU and GPU getting old and you want more juice out of it. so you OC them to boost their clock speed so that they can run future games at slightly more FPS.

reputable ones would be Viewnet, All IT and Jayacom i guess. if for online in Garage Sales, can go for IdealTech. i got my parts there biggrin.gif

my monitor i suggest will be 1920x1080p brows.gif
maybe Dell U2312HM RM589 or LG IPS224T RM419? both are IPS panel displays which have better colour production and wide viewing angles than the standard TN panels
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post Dec 14 2012, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(__unknown__ @ Dec 14 2012, 02:52 PM)
Right! In a nut shell tech-noobies like me should stay off OC the processors right?
Will definitely looked up on your suggestions bro!

I suppose they have advisors like in the shops right? Maybe might have to scale down the budget abit if my
parents aren't that happy with the pricing sad.gif

Normally how long would it take them to assemble all the parts together? Also do i have to worry anything
about the BIOS?
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nope, you can always learn to OC and about OC stuff also
but if you want your PC parts to last long, of course avoid OCing
but its subjective though, with good cooling systems, mild OC can last nearly as long as stock CPUs

err.. their advisors are unreliable. cause since theyre running a shop, they might intro parts that are not recommended as they dont want to keep old and obsolete products

as for the time for parts assembling, it depends. if they dont have alot of other jobs, should be fast.

generally, the standard BIOS should be fine. nothing to tweak or change around.
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post Dec 14 2012, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(__unknown__ @ Dec 14 2012, 03:14 PM)
Right! Then again what about the warranties? only tied by the vendor itself only right?
I have a list of viewnet's product from here http://www.viewnet.com.my/downloads/viewne...y_pricelist.pdf
so is it safe to say any components not listed in it could be potentially obsolete products?
Now u reminded me of such scam's i'd might be worried up a little  sad.gif
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warranties by the brand manufacturers. but you can return the faulty products to the shop for warranty purposes

not really, there are alot of products types available in the pricelist but also not recommended. like the Cooler Master PSUs, not recommended but its being sold at Viewnet.

if you dont trust Viewnet, you can always opt for other shops in this forum. try PM lingloong, zhen^wei, CyntrixTech, yoongkeen etc for help. they have a physical shop too, just not in Lowyat Plaza
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post Dec 14 2012, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(__unknown__ @ Dec 14 2012, 03:30 PM)
They are vendors as well? In your opinion it's preferable to perform transactions with them as towards shops in lowyat?
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pretty much similar i guess

Added on December 14, 2012, 5:58 pm
QUOTE(sixtydee123 @ Dec 14 2012, 05:49 PM)
can i please know what is important to look for in a gaming rig? whats the difference between i3 i5 and i7?
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good GPU with a good CPU

for example
Intel Core i5 + GTX670 = good
Intel Core i3 + HD7970 = bad
Intel Core i7 + HD7770 = bad

i3 is a dual core with Intel Hyper Treading technology, good for casual users who does not need to do powerful CPU processes
i5 is a quad core without Hyper Threading technology, good for not-too-intensive CPU processes
i7 is a quad core with Hyper threading technology, good for CPU intensive processes

anyways, just read up at Ark Intel, theyll provide better information than mine. a simple google will provide a better one too lol

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 14 2012, 05:58 PM
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post Dec 16 2012, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Dec 16 2012, 04:14 PM)
Hi Chocobo thanks for the reply! Anyways i forgot to mention in my post that i don't require a CDROM, casing, and a PSU (in fact, i'm using the PSU that you have listed there). Which frees up around RM600 in the budget. My enquiries are;

1) Is it worth paying a little extra to get an i7? As far as i know games these days are not able to fully utilize an i7, am i right?

2) Is there a significant difference between an ATI7950 and a Nvidia670?

Appreciate your help smile.gif
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1) better save if for the GPU, a quad core like i5 is more than enough to not bottleneck the latest GPU generation. also, if you dont do CPU intensive tasks like data crunching, rendering etc, the i7 will be very underutilized

2) Benchmark shown here
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/550?vs=598
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post Dec 17 2012, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Dec 17 2012, 12:34 AM)
After much reading, I'm stuck between the choice of a Sapphire 7950 which costs ~RM1000 and the Gigabyte 670 which costs ~RM1500. Huge difference, i know. What do you guys think about it? Is it worth paying that extra RM500 for the 670? My main concern right now is achieving a stable ~30fps @ 1920x1080 on highest/almost-highest settings on games such as Far Cry 3 and Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite in the near future. Thoughts? Excuse any hint of arrogance as I have minimal knowledge when it comes to hardware.
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ASUS and Gigabyte's cards are pricey, you may opt for Leadtek GTX670, which is priced at RM1149 which is close to the HD7950 price range. Also theres not much difference between the two manufacturers besides their clock speed, cooler etc. overall performance are similar

Also, as shown on my previous link, the difference between these two cards are negligible. Also, the GTX670 and HD7950 is a high-end tier card. This means that itll be able to last you maybe 2 years max depending on how long it can last before the next worthy upgrade

Added on December 17, 2012, 3:01 am
QUOTE(Decky @ Dec 17 2012, 02:11 AM)
Hi guys.
I'm currently using the Acer M7720 with the HD4870 card that I want to change.

How do I know what cards do I have as a choice to replace my current card?

Any recommendations of cards with a budget of RM300-400?

I can't play high spec in games like GW2 and Planetside 2. Getting 20-30 fps on medium-high in BF3.

300-400 enough?
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A HD7750 or HD7770 should fit your budget. But dont expect a huge change in performance though

Personally, i suggest you opt for the HD7850 at RM600+, which gives you a considerable difference in performance

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 17 2012, 03:01 AM
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post Dec 19 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(Hilmax @ Dec 19 2012, 09:28 PM)
Before you install mobo, there should mobo spacer installed to case before mobo.
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the moment when you realised that you might miss out placing this in your rig

damn, i might need to recheck my components
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post Dec 21 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Leon|| @ Dec 21 2012, 08:45 AM)
Ok...please advice me the rig within my requirement, thx

My budget is within 2k
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how about
Intel Core i5 3470 RM564 <--quad core as you wanted
MSI B75MA P45 RM229 <-- decent mid-range motherboard with decent features
Kingston Value RAM 1x4GB RM54 or 1x8GB RM114
Sapphire HD7770 RM399 <--- a weak but not so weak GPU
<no HDD required as reusing old HDD>
Intel 330 SSD 120GB RM299 <-- the 520 have longer warranty and maybe faster transfer speed, but honestly even the standard SSD speed is fast enough
FSP Hexa 500W RM149 <-- low end but good quality PSU
CM K280 RM128 <-- cheap casing with good build quality and cable management features
Lite-On 22x DVD Drive RM59
Total: RM1941

optional upgrades: Sapphire HD7850 RM649 (better gaming performance), Enermax NAXN 550W RM215 (PSU), Intel Core i5 3570 RM614, Corsair Carbide 300R RM299

for gaming wise, what resolution are you gonna play and what type of games? cause the HD7770 will struggle on graphical intensive games

as for the cooler part, stock is fine enough. but if you feel like splurging, CM Hyper TX3 Evo at RM79 or CM Hyper 212 Evo RM120++ gives you good performance to money value

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 21 2012, 11:38 AM
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post Dec 22 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(overmars @ Dec 22 2012, 11:07 AM)
Hi guys. Life is getting too dull for me. Plan to get a budget gaming rig to fill up the empty space. My budget is less than rm2000. Games that Im hopeful to play with be sleeping dogs, diablo3, gw2 and probably all the latest games without any hiccups. I already have my own monitor, a Samsung 23". After doing some research found this suggestion by tristanx.

Core i3 3220 - RM355
Asus P8Z77-M motherboard - RM339
Kingston 4GB DDR3-1333 x1 - RM56
Sapphire HD7850 2GB DDR5 OC - RM719
WD Blue 500GB hard disk - RM174
Liteon DVD writer - RM60
FSP Hexa 500W power supply - RM149
Coolermaster Elite 431/Aerocool VS4 casing - RM149

Any input on this guys? Anything else that I should modify? I will probably be getting this rig at Penang island. Gonna try asking pc depot later, hope they got all the parts. Thanks in advance.

Added on December 22, 2012, 11:19 am
And Ive just learnt that Sapphire HD7850 has 2 types, one is 1gb another is 2 gb. Logical thinking the 2gb will be twice better than the 1 gb. So I should opt for the 2gb one even though I don't know anything about oc? (but will definitely improve gaming performance by a lot I suppose)
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why the need for Z77 board though? the i3 cant be OCed, a B75 or H77 should do fine.. unless youre planning future upgrades to K variant CPU?

as for the card, add in another RM80 to RM799 for the HD7870, loads better then the HD7850

the rest seems fine

as for the RAM of GPU, if youre playing at bigger resolutions and like to have all the eye candies stuff, more RAM is better
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post Dec 27 2012, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(mrzee @ Dec 27 2012, 10:20 PM)
In garage sale who recommend seller to buy mobo and proc??
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lingloong, zhen^wei, yoongkeen, CyntrixTech, hikari85 are the few very reputable ones

the others im not sure

i dealed with zhen^wei before, very patient and helpful biggrin.gif
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post Dec 28 2012, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(TittleTattleToxin @ Dec 28 2012, 12:27 AM)
Hey guys,,  can you tell me which is the best shop to get my custom rig??  Im only 14 so i dont really know much...  Ummm is there any shops tha has good cable mangement

Should i jus buy from lingloong/zhen^wei  and pay extra to ship to my house or go to lowyat plaza and build it a viewnet/czone ????    Thanks  smile.gif   

And lastly should i get intel or amd...  Which is the best bang for the buck..??
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head to either Lowyat Plaza or Digital Mall

look for All IT, Viewnet, or Jayacom.. these are very reputable stores

as for the LYN forummers, zhen^wei manages IdealTech, his shop is at Pandan Indah. so if you like, you can head there to pick up instead of opting for postage

Intel currently would be the most worthy build
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post Dec 28 2012, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(TittleTattleToxin @ Dec 28 2012, 01:07 AM)
Ohh okay...  Thanks.. 

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also, if you want great cable management, i suggest you do it yourself

as in the entire assembling of the rig. feels more satisfying smile.gif
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post Dec 28 2012, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(TittleTattleToxin @ Dec 28 2012, 01:21 AM)
Ummm teach me sifu??  Im sked that the stuff will short circuit...  Cuz u know static electricity....  Afterall im on 14.... rclxms.gif
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this should help you alot rclxms.gif

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post Dec 28 2012, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(fizzcola @ Dec 28 2012, 05:11 PM)
Which is better, 2* 4GB Ram or just 1* 8GB Ram? or just same?
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pretty much similar, unless you have limited slots.. then 1x8GB better

Added on December 28, 2012, 5:44 pm
QUOTE(92alvin @ Dec 28 2012, 05:22 PM)
Intel Xeon E3 1230 V2
Asrock Z77 Pro4-M
Gskill 2x4GB DDR3 1600mhz
WD 1TB Caviar Blue
Seasonic S12 II 620W PSU
Liteon 24x Sata DVDRW
Bitfenix Shinobi Windowed Panel ( any similar simple design casing w/ window?)
Sapphire 7970 Vapor-X 3GB DDR5 or MSI GTX670 PE ?
Dell 23" U2312HM LCD

overall is it ok???
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not bad, but why a Z77 board though? H77 or B75 should be sufficient since Xeon is Non-OC CPU
unless, you want the extra features?

how about Xigmatek Asgard Pro? RM150

from benchmarks shown by DarkSilver last time, it seems GTX670 have the upper hand

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 28 2012, 05:44 PM
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post Dec 28 2012, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(arimii @ Dec 28 2012, 07:30 PM)
GUYS. why intel xeon?
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4 physical cores with 8 virtual cores, supports HT tech (similar to i7)

and at RM699 compared to the cheapest i7, RM800+
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post Dec 28 2012, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(2+2=5 @ Dec 28 2012, 10:46 PM)
Hi everybody, this is my dream rig on budget hahaha

CPU - Intel Core i5 2400 - RM589

MOBO - P8Z77-V LX RM425

RAM - 4GB DDR3 Memory Module x2 - RM158

SSD -  CRUCIAL M4 SATA III 2.5" SSD 128GB - RM355

HDD -  WD10EZEX / 1TB / 7200RPM 64MB SATA III - RM225

DVD - Lite On DVD Writters - RM60

PSU -  FSP Hexa 500W - RM150

GPU -  SAPPHIRE HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 PCI-E - RM635

Casing - Cooler Master K280 - RM119 l

what do you guys think?
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seems like some parts are quite outdated or overpriced hmm.gif

whats your total budget? we may be able to suggest something better
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post Dec 28 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(2+2=5 @ Dec 28 2012, 11:12 PM)
to be to be exact my budget is around 3k - 3.5k
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how about trying this build instead smile.gif

Intel Core i5 3570 RM614
MSI B75MA G43 RM279
Kingston Value RAM 1x8GB DDR3 RM114
WD Blue 1TB RM219
Crucial M4 128GB RM339
Leadtek GTX670 RM1149 or Sapphire HD7970 Vapor-X GHz Edition RM1489 (from lingloong)
FSP Hexa 500W RM149 or Silverstone Strider 500W RM219
CM K280 RM128
Lite-On 22x DVD Drive RM59
Total: RM2950

hmm very underbudget.. perhaps other sifus could help fill in the gaps to fit the budget more hmm.gif

EDIT: tersalah letak pricetag doh.gif

This post has been edited by marfccy: Dec 29 2012, 01:15 PM
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post Dec 29 2012, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(2+2=5 @ Dec 28 2012, 11:49 PM)
Does Asrock/MSi (MOBO) and Palit/Leadtek(GPU) have great product quality? alot of my friends recommend me to get ASUS parts. im still kinda noob with this  sweat.gif
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from several forummers comments, none of them have much problem with those brands stated above

so its pretty reliable

ASUS is famous, so its understandable everyone will recommend it.. unfortunately, ASUS is very overpriced sweat.gif
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post Dec 29 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Dec 29 2012, 12:25 PM)
My father asked me to build a home PC for him, some office document work, movies, music. So here's my build but I need some suggestion from you guys.

budget RM1800 to RM1900, MAX RM2000 (prefer use less a bit la...)

prices taken from idealTech as I'm planning to buy from him.

Intel i3-3220 - RM368
Asrock B75M R2.0 - RM209
4GB value RAM - RM70
WD Blue 1TB - RM229
FSP Hexa 500W - RM150+-
LiteOn DVD-ROM - RM70+-
kb/mouse combo - RM50

current - RM1146

need suggestion:

Case - Antec One / 200R / Shinobi / K280 / others?

Monitor - LG IPS-224T / others? (around RM400 monitorn can oledi)

Speaker - ?? (2.0 or 2.1 system)

thanks guys
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you can actually go for the Intel Dual Core G620 or G630 for office works, i3 abit too much for only office works hmm.gif cheaper too

then maybe skimp on the mobo also, get H61 chipset tongue.gif
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