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post Jan 15 2013, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:49 PM)
mostly i farm at mp1 for xp n loot farming and also for FUN. but like my barb i can tank in mp10 alone n uber as well...but then again i prefer to farm in mp1-3 jus for fun...budget mayb around 500m. 1h mojo or 2h depends on which suited more with zb build
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500m is quite a lot .. for that amount of budget u can build a WD that can farm high mp.
2h & 1mojo both hv their pros & cons .. personally i prefer 2h since 2h wpn (esp Skorn) hv very high base dmg which results in higher crit dmg per hit .. slower attack speed of 2h also favors Bears since it wont burn mana too fast .. i'll go into pros & cons of each maybe tomorrow .. its alrdy late n i need to sleep biggrin.gif

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 14 2013, 11:50 PM)
my current wd sucks...i build it from a 10m budget...haha.....jus for fun...cant even farm in mp1 efficiently.
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i build my wd initially with 40m .. startup zuni set with 1h+mojo which i slowly upgrade n finally switched to 2h now ... i can farm efficiently up to mp7 .. mp8-9 will be a bit slow with ocassional death .. mp10 is risky lolz

QUOTE(jstndng @ Jan 15 2013, 12:08 AM)
also i wanted to know if zombie bears build can also include acid cloud skill...gonna need a lot of mana n faster mana regen build
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if u gear up ur wd for zombie bear build, definately u can use it as well for acid cloud (which is useful in lower mp speed farming) .. for low mp u dont need very high mana pool & u can get mana back very fast using Sacrifice/Pride.
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post Jan 16 2013, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Sabenarian @ Jan 16 2013, 07:03 AM)
complete my mp0 WD using existing gears and bargain deal at GAH.. thanks bro Gecko for skill build advise.. notworthy.gif

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Sabenar...6/hero/30568103
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yw bro

QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 16 2013, 10:02 AM)
Oh boy, u have no idea.

I had no DISC, got hex into a pig and the dogs came and BOOM.
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now ppl know how kulle feels when he gets hexed biggrin.gif

QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Jan 16 2013, 10:12 AM)
I will order 1 wd for duel mode.
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come2 moba level a WD up for pvp biggrin.gif free second set of life via Spirit Vessel passive (no matter how high any char dps is they cant 1-shot u lolz) ... 3 sec invulnerability via Spirit Walk and can dash towards target and hex them defenseless biggrin.gif and pets keep them busy as well
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post Jan 16 2013, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 16 2013, 11:48 AM)
For this very reason, i just bought this.
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niceeee
i wonder how much dat cost lolz biggrin.gif
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post Jan 16 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jan 16 2013, 11:49 AM)
please let me 7ss you 1 time (before u cast anything of coz... )?  laugh.gif
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even if your 7ss deals 1 gazillion dmg u wont kill him if he use Spirit Vessel passive biggrin.gif
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post Jan 16 2013, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 16 2013, 11:52 AM)
Surprisingly low (as compared to other ZD 0CD SoJ).
And surprisingly no one bid it.

Bought it @ 150m.
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wow! a bargain
i guess most ppl are bz pvp-ing @ testing out 1.07 PTR
i'm sure 0cd dog gear will skyrocket soon ... u got urs just in time bro thumbup.gif
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post Jan 19 2013, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Jan 19 2013, 03:07 PM)
I was talking about PVP in general.

but yeah, c4 dogs aren't as effective as haunt.

Spirit walk -> sacrifice is not bad.

Oh yeah one more thing, haunt is homing right?
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From my own PvE playing experience (hv another 10% donload b4 i can start playing PTR), Haunt is not 100% homing. First off u need to face the target b4 u attack using Haunt for the spirit to "home" towards nearest target (i do think there's a min distance as well ... if target too far away Haunt wont reach target). From most PvP vids ive seen, majority of WD used Resentful Spirit rune for shorter DoT hence bigger overall dmg. However if u can guess/predict path which ur foe like to use/hide .. then maybe Lingering Spirit is more practical/useful

Lingering Spirit
If there are no targets left, the spirit will linger for up to 10 seconds looking for new enemies.



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post Jan 20 2013, 08:57 PM

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I remember reading a blue post regarding CC, cant find it again to link the post. What i recall is something along the lines of 30% reduction to CC .. it shud apply in live 1.07 but currently not working in PTR. To my understanding a CC effect such as stun of lets say 3 sec will be reduced to 2.1 sec (stacking cc reduction gear will also add up). I also think it was mentioned in that post if CC is reduced to 0.5 n below it will be considered nullified/cc not take effect ... maybe someone can do some calculation to see how much CC reduction needed on gears to get that breakpoint.

Haunt
Secondary
Cost: 98 Mana
Haunt an enemy with a spirit, dealing 575% weapon damage as Arcane over 6 seconds. If the target dies, the spirit will haunt another nearby enemy.

Crit dmg for any DoT type of spell/attack is calculated on the first hit then its spread over the time of the spells DoT duration.

btw Sky afaik DoT attacks for WD does not stack .. it refreshes the DoT .. so if u crit its better not to attack with same spell again until DoT timer is over ... im not so sure if DoT for diff spell/attack will stack eg Haunt then Acid Cloud .. will both DoT stack?

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post Jan 23 2013, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 23 2013, 01:11 PM)
just notice that the top 3 using rushing skill and equip to level... just wandering they all have ssecond set of equip for DPS?
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my main gear swap for speed runs = Visage of Giyua (for total of 12% crit chance using Acid rain) & Tyreals Might for xtra 15% dmg against demons/3% against elites .. 12%MS from TM also enable me to swap Inna Temp with Diggers for max/cap MF/GF on mp2 .. i lose 10k hp + 20k dps but i kill faster due to more frequent crits.
skill = the usual Jaunt/Stalker for mobility , CoL+Sac/Pride for e kill n mana, SH/VS + Acid Rain = 1shot pack of white mobs.

QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jan 23 2013, 02:29 PM)
i think now they have 3 set...

1 for lvl / farm, 1 for uber, 1 for pvp... tongue.gif
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farm = Giyua + Tyreal
uber/key run = full Zuni
pvp = not yet ... got outbid last sec again on a 14xx dps, 180 chd, 29x intel, 29x vit Skorn tongue.gif demmit i knew i shud put a higher bid last 5 sec biggrin.gif

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post Jan 23 2013, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 23 2013, 05:40 PM)
lol my set is for UBER and FARM... I just change skill... no money to keep so many set
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none of my farming gears are that expensive biggrin.gif all below 10m ... Giyua = 3.5m bid, Tyreal = 6.5m bid .. u need to check AH always for good bargains i guess tongue.gif
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post Jan 24 2013, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(tALEz @ Jan 24 2013, 06:56 PM)
Hi Guys, finally reached PL100.
I know the upcoming patch would give huge exp increments, but I just wanted to get this over with since I was close already.

Hail to all WDs!!
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Gratz bro rclxms.gif
If only u ding PL 100 while we were kiting Magda in all WD mp10 uber party earlier biggrin.gif that would be epic
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post Jan 29 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 11:24 AM)
Yesterday, I tried something when I key hunt 5 round full of RD elite

Total repair cost more than 200k...

So I took out Pierce the Veil and replace back with Spirit Vessel.

Apparently, I have more MANA to spam bear... the 30% increase took out from PtV really make my MANA pool last longer for some reason.

And I can regen mana faster due to SV decrease Spirit Walk cool down...

Not to say the SV make me survive RD better...

And since I already have dps, I tried replacing Hex with my Panda (Garg) and elite can die even faster... no more running around lol
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PtV is useful only if u use low mana spell such as GB @ Splinters as main dmg dealer ... for those using Bears its best not to use PtV
Another thing .. if u use Bears with 1h+mojo setup ... avoid using EF (high attack speed & fear is non beneficial to Bears) for best result try get a low speed 1h with high min dmg ... a rare spear imo is the best choice.
Blood Ritual, VQ used in conjunction with Widowmakers are good passives to use so that u can spam Bears endlessly.
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post Jan 29 2013, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(dreaming @ Jan 29 2013, 11:33 AM)
noted.
btw, is zunimassa is a must? the final set bonus has 20mana regen and 10mana per kill.
full zunimassa set is also not cheap right? i hv about 90m only  sweat.gif
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If u plan to use Bears .. full zuni set is a must .. more so if u go 2h setup (u lose mana regen on mojo)
As a WD, how well u manage ur mana is key to survival @ dps.
Basic Zuni set is not that expensive .. most expensive Zuni item would be Pox with chc, followed by Vision with chc.
Note: best roll marrow = 2xx vit @ %reduction against elites ... %melee reduction is also handy
for Trail = AR roll can be quite expensive as well.
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post Jan 29 2013, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 11:58 AM)
I prefer both CC over Regen...

But based on what Aleune said, I think I can drop the CC and pick a regen... But is there Zuni Vision with regen? I need the full set regen as well though

Anyway I want the Paper DPS to look NICER lol that all haha...

And as for 1 handed weapon, I think Manajuma give a huge boost as its also have the Poison Damage stat in place, which I think contribute to your DPS as well...

Btw I kind of hate the Fear effect in EF...

@Aleune - Solo Keywarden, you using Hex as well right?

Even though my build is quite OK but I didnt even try soloing MP6 and above, quite time consuming and I dont think it worth it....

If calculated, my 2 run in MP4 = 1 run in MP7

But key hunt maybe more worth it maybe I try key hunt at 7
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In my case 40% CC is enough to crit often so that it replenish my health pool from my Skorn's LS (600-800k crits can fill up my health pool quite fast)
Yup there is Vision with mana regen which is way cheaper than CC roll .. if u alrdy hv high enough CC .. go for mana regen cos it'll help u spam more bears.
The thing i dont like about Carving Knife is its low min dmg .. overall u will see more low min dmg crits .. plus its attack speed is quite fast ... a "black" rare spear will gain more dps from %poison dmg of Trail compared to Carving Knife.

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post Jan 29 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 02:32 PM)
@Gecko and Aleune

Also, using skorn with bear, isnt that the bear come out slower?

I kind of not comfortable with the slower animation, cuz I walk run bear lol...
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i prefer my bear to run slower for the few reasons:
1) less mana draining
2) if my bear run faster ... few crits will be wasted when my health alrdy is full ... with current slower bear .. i get hit in between bears n next bear crit will heal me up to full ... as long as i can keep spamming bears i can facetank n stay in middle of fight while leeching back life ... SW only to avoid freeze @ reposition against arcane .. descrator @ plague pool can just stand n leech np

non stop bear spam = constant dmg output altho paper dps is lower
faster bear but need to kite during 0 mana = dmg is not constant
plus min dmg of Skorn is higher than max dmg of 1h+mojo ... so u see higher crit/yellow numbers

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post Jan 29 2013, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(nimanhid @ Jan 29 2013, 04:39 PM)
Interesting... look like time to hunt good skorn to test this... btw my current attack per second is 1.98, is it to fast?
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mine is 1.17 aps (9% from TWH & 8% from Inna Temp) and i rarely run out of mana (throw Widowmakers once in between bear spam to keep VQ regen up) .. with your aps u might run out of mana 2x faster than me biggrin.gif
imo faster bears on white mobs is wasted as they will die from 1st bears .. it might kill elites/ubers faster IF u can maintain mana to keep spamming bears which i think is impossible to do unless u stand next to a 0dog WD which grants u mana regen from Gruesome Feast.
try get at least 125x Skorn with min 5.5% LS + 160% CHD ... i'm sure u'll notice the difference ... even ur Widowmaker has more dmg .. not to forget ur Garg will hit harder as well (Bruiser & Restless Giant do 200% of ur weapon dmg)
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post Jan 29 2013, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 05:05 PM)
I didnt get what you mean by total... you mean add up?

Yellow number per jump... Is that total or per hit?

The yellow number comes up is around 500k to 1m
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Ur Carving Knife (364-903) + Ukh (120-416) + ammy (32-62) = 516-1381 base dmg
Critical Hit dmg 406%
and u say u do 500k - 1m crits? thats pretty high biggrin.gif with such low min

my skorn (1077-1496) + rings (38 min) + ammy (31 max) = 1115-1527 base dmg
Crirical Hit dmg 413%
and i only see around 500-800k crits ... 600k-1m if i use SoJ during ubers

maybe i should switch to 1h-mojo to see higher yellow numbers biggrin.gif tongue.gif

edit later: Unless u see crits done while ure buffed by Soul Harvest & Gruesome Feast .. then 500k-1m seems plausible .. i almost double my crit if i am max buffed by SH + GF biggrin.gif

QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 05:08 PM)
Er, actually, if I am surrounded by elite, and they didnt run, I can drop them in 2 seconds SW > Bear > finish SW the Elite die lol

as for white mob, i walk bear continue walk next mob bear then walk next mob...

i tried widowmaker, abit too slow the animation so stick to RoT

maybe will try around again and see...
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depend on what mp u r playing also biggrin.gif im quite sure on mp8 n above against RD elites with xtra health@shielding u will run out of mana if u spam bears b4 they die biggrin.gif

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post Jan 29 2013, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 05:29 PM)
I confirm occasionally I saw 1m cric damage... and maybe is on White Mob not Elite not sure...

Most probably I playing in lower MP compare with you guys...

Yeah and confirm on higher MP I run out of Mana easily...

Maybe I try getting a LS skorn... If I can sell of something in my AH :/

If I take out my Mojo, I think only left 41% CC maybe instead of using Templar, switching to Scoundrel help...
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So basically most of you all is using LS Skorn build? Just wondering
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looking over ur build... i think those 1m crits occur when ure buffed by SH + GF .. which is normal
however during ubers SH & GF cant be used to its maximum potential ... same story for higher mp bcos it'll take longer to whittle down mobs health b4 they start dropping globes

41%CC is good enough to crit often .. i hv 42.5% CC and i see yellow number quite often .. bear (pun intended) in mind that using Bears u send out 3 bears simultaneously so u triple the chance to crit

Imo stick to Templar .. he give u more mana regen plus he's a great tanker if u stack vit on him ... equip him with Stormshield + Azurewrath ... Star of Azkaranth with %chance to freeze if u can afford 1 ... he wont kill but he will freeze elites so it easier for u to spam bears on them .. giving him puzzle ring will also help with more goblin spawn as he get hit a lot biggrin.gif

The way i see it and from my own playing experience .. u either go full dps with ias stacking (tal's armor, mempo@visage etc ias gears) and use low mana spell such as GB @ Splinters (check talez profile for his 300k dps build) @ u dont stack ias and use LS Skorn & use Bears spam to be able to do high mp (8 & above) efficiently.

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post Jan 29 2013, 05:49 PM

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use sun keeper for low mp .. great for MF ... switch to Azurewrath for higher mp (u alrdy get xtra MF from mp lvl) .. Azurewrath is pretty cheap .. dont look for high dps but high freeze chance .. for relic, look for %chance to block @ armor... even without Azkaranth ur Templar will freeze quite often with just Azurewrath.
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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 06:05 PM)
@Gecko

See you playing DH often tongue.gif

Pinjam me your Skorn let me test test lol

Actually I did try put on a Azurewrath, but my mind keep on tell me the MF MF MF MF lol so put back Sunkeeper XD

Since low MP doesnt matter... High MP maybe...

So in MP7, I can hunt easily with Skorn? My target is full run 20mins to 30mins max
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haha sure can ... i hardly use my WD eversince hitting PL90 (waiting for 1.07 to go live b4 i start grinding para lvl again for the increased xp per mp lvl)... i use my DH to do ubers now (can easily survive up to mp8) .. my barb for key farm ... only time i use my WD when i do gold farming biggrin.gif but then i use my cheap (won with only 300k bid) 13xx dps no LS Skorn with 29x vit.. lemme know when u want to test the LS SKorn i will loan to u for few days.

QUOTE(nimanhid @ Jan 29 2013, 06:38 PM)
thx bro... currently bid skorn with 14xx dps and 5.8% LS in GAH  biggrin.gif  cant wait to test this skorn...
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yw bro ... good luck with the bid thumbup.gif
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post Jan 30 2013, 05:39 AM

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QUOTE(sandvillage @ Jan 29 2013, 08:02 PM)
haha okok thanks will pop you when i in...

anyway... will loss 200 vit from my Serpent lol scary
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i lost 197 vit from my EF + ToTD when i made my switch to Skorn initially but i later made up for the loss vit on my ammy & vile ward.. looking over ur current gear, u can switch topaz in ur inna temperance to amethyst (its ok to lose some intel as u need a larger health pool to be able to take some hit) for a quick fix... if u decide to switch to Skorn, my suggestion is to change to a Marrow with 2xx vit (u still hv 19 pickup radius if u lose PR on ur current Marrow ... plus there's a slight increase in base PR when 1.07 goes live)

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