what are the said cables?

i couldnt find any in your shop's catalog

and what would be the best price for hd650 + symphonica and symphonica alone?



based on your experience, is symphonica + centrance dacport a good match? Because currently im owning dacport and westone 4r.

It is call the Hippo upgrade cable, we have two version, one is 350 another is 499

So last month I bought this cable from Jaben Subang, cost me RM80(see resit)





Yesterday went to jalan pasar and saw the 3.5mm jack used in the cable, which cost RM3 per piece(see resit).

Let say RM3 for the sleeving and heat shrink, RM10 for workmanship, RM10 untung for jaben, RM10 untung for pcwork

so

RM80 - RM3 - RM10 - RM10 - RM10 - RM6(the jack will be cheaper if take in bulk) = so does the cable really cost RM41 ?


So i get a cheepo cable which is RM2.40 per meter to create my own cable(see pic below), and surprisingly the cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal

So am i being cheated by jaben? I have no idea.

If anyone want to test the cable, I live in cyber, if anyone live in cyber and want to test the cable, feel free to pm me.





I rest my case

This post has been edited by blacklizard90: Jan 31 2013, 06:13 AM

Thanks for replying wallabies

Most probably I'll buy a new one after I take a look at your CNY bundles . Lolz .

Sad , don't know what to do with my old headphone after I get a new one

Jaben did not cheat u, they made it to your convinience instead of travel to buy stuf urslef and made by someone experienced with good finishing.

expected reply..

You can get 10M high density sleeve for RM29, the sleeve used in the cable is some cheepo sleeve

simple math:

Sleeve for each cable is roughly 10cm

so 1000cm/10cm = 100 pieces
you can sleeve roughly 97 cable and the cost for sleeve each cable is RM0.30

Jaben did not make the cable, its made by pcwork, jaben only selling it
Sleeving and soldering is not rocket science..

I'll just wait for the appropriate person to reply before proceeding to nccc

EDIT:



The guy who sold me the cable just say its a DIY cable when i ask what is the brand of cable


This post has been edited by blacklizard90: Jan 31 2013, 02:00 PM

Even with one roll of solder wire can used to solder up to 1000 jacks.. just tell what brand is the cable, then can know what is the actually price of the cable

Hi, Good day to you my friend.
At first i was pretty confused in this issue as well, however be frank with you, in audio world equipments such as cable and amplifier, if we split up everything from cost to cost calculation for the material they used, they won't worth the price you paid.
Have you experienced a hifi speaker cable worth RM50k? While the material worth nothing that expensive, they sell you in term of sound, not material or the construction.

The cable was from PCwork audio according to Jaben last visit, personally i met him before, he was an audio enthusiast who did tons of audio sound modification and cable tuning as well.

Here are some of his profile you can refer, locally i mean

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...7&hl=symphonica
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...9&hl=symphonica
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1496508&hl=

All of the works above are done by him alone, of course if you stay in the scene long enough, you will know he started his audio journey way back. Personally i'm using his product currently, no complains about the sound and build quality, as i did comparison with ALOaudio before.

For cable manufacture, just the basic knowledge of E&E and soldering are nothing, you need years of experience with high end sound, experienced with tons of set up for reference, and of course you need good pair of ears.

No worries mate, Jaben won't con you any sort on that, your money worth the sound, build quality and after sales service from PCwork audio and Jaben themselves

This post has been edited by SpringBiscuit: Jan 31 2013, 07:29 PM

just curious, which of Pcworks' cable did you compare against ALO's?

maybe you should think like this bro~
jaben made it readily for customer to buy and take~
you save the time and hassle to seek for the material~
plus~
the cost you calculated din include the cost of admin? salary of the salesman to work for them?
they must make profit to make sure all cost are fully covered so that they wont go bankrupt right?
just my opnion~

I bought one of the cable from jaben and i like it, after all i no need to buy all those soldering tools which those are cost also. Considering all admin cost of jaben, electricity, worker salary, rental of a shop in subang all these don’t come cheap, and of course warranty of product provided by pcwork, i don’t think the price is as over as you describe. After all i was given freedom to test and the price were told before i decided to buy. No one force me to buy it at all. so what’s all the grump? Perhaps you should try to seek of option so that you can DIY it before u purchase anything related to audio then. It will be always cheaper if u can DIY.

If you can come out with a very cheap cable as you said RM 40 and willing to provide a full year of warranty, i think a lot forumers will glad to buy your cable from you. And after around a year, something went wrong, will you be able to provide proper service to get it fixed? After all, comparing a product which were marketed with a single cable which you DIY is not really fair by just calculating the cost of the material alone.

Thanks.

This post has been edited by JoshCarter: Jan 31 2013, 11:37 PM

I think blacklizard is trying to convey that the pricing is unfair and over the top.
But I'll gladly pay the price for his expertise and experience. This is one of those times when things get really subjective and stay within the gray area.

I guess everyone is on the edge now trying to be politically correct lol. Hope this issue will pass within these next posts.

So you guys are trying to imply that the external cost does affect the sound quality produced by the cable? Interesting

Charging customer to avoid bankrupt is a crime




Why does Proton still produce crappy car even thought they have been in the industry for quite some time and the pricing is shit..

I'm not complaining about the sound quality, I just merely pointing out that the cable I did can produce the same sound as the RM80 cable, that interest me weather the cable used in the one sold by jaben is really a good quality cable and worth RM80

And i think i have a good pair of ear to appreciate music and can tell the difference, hope I make my self clear.



I was poisoned by jaben reputation and I thought all the stuff they sell is good quality( which I have doubt now). Well, i tried to ask the guy in jaben what cable is used to make that, he just say its a diy cable, I asked to ask him few times, he still say DIY cable. I bought it because it sounds better then normal cheepo read made cable, it not my fault that I don't be in the scene long enough

LOL, I didn't say anything about the cable I did is RM40, please read what I wrote carefully. If you think its not fair, feel free to come to my place to test, I bet you wont hear any difference.

Basically I can charge my customer who want to create a web application with me? Like it was said in one of the reply above? pcwork have done lot of cable and bla bla, well i have more than 7 years of experience creating web app, I've done project for Petronas and few other big player and also for celebrity, if that's the case even a simple web app, I can charge around RM100K, but I can't, that not ethically correct..

One more thing, pcwork just merely buy the already engineered cable, he is not engineering the cable itself.

Example on my side of work:
1) Create blog with wordpress
2) Coding a custom cms for blogging

cost for this two thing is totally difference, same goes here. The cable manufacture will be clearly state in datasheet what the cable they produce is capable. Just stating the obvious here, no rocket science, what really bothers me here is that most of the peeps here is assuming coming up with a audio connector cable is a rocket science

at least penmarker understand the real purpose of my rant.

ps: there maybe typo error in my reply, too lazy to check

This post has been edited by blacklizard90: Feb 1 2013, 01:58 AM

Not so fast my friend..

First of all, we're all adults here right? And since its a forum we're all entitled to our own opinions without quick to draw arms at each other; And bro I respect you for voicing out your opinion towards the assumed "total cost" of PcWork's cable, but bro before you conclude, heres my opinion.

Apparently your case did not include one VITAL factor, and that is RESEARCH. You see, you have been comparing the price of each make-up piece of the cable, and other assumed "untung" figures, but clearly you have not taken into account the time, resources (like materials) and funding's needed to Create that one single connector with a Specific Sound.

SpringBiscuit made a good statement that what we all are paying eventually is the value of the sound, how much its worth. And to produce it, PcWork and his team requires a lot of time and funding's needed for their research, and REMEMBER, its not JUST for ONE cable, they are creating Multiple cables for that caters for different setups.

In the end what you get isn't just the Sound, you'd get the awesome friendly aftersale service and warranty from Jaben too. What Jaben and PcWork done there is that they gave us an option to further improve our current setups (for those of us who have no experience in cable making or modding). I have known friends who creates cables and mods headphones themselves. I have friends who have friends who make cables and mod headphones, heck I even own a KSC75 touched by PcWork and believe me, what he did to it was amazing and I couldn't imagine all the efforts he put into turning it into audio nirvana, I can vouch for him, his craftsmanship is Legendary.

This post has been edited by RisingTide: Feb 1 2013, 02:54 AM

Expected this kind of reply, refer to my above post

incoming parther.. and i believe my previous comment has just made your case clear.

and

PS, your previous post did not Mentioned anything about the things I've stated in my previous post, I shall quote your previous comment
"cost for this two thing is totally difference, same goes here. The cable manufacture will be clearly state in datasheet what the cable they produce is capable."
Your implying that the total cost of a cable is merely by the cost of each makeup material alone, hence there is NO need to refer to your previous post.

You also did not mentioned the material make-up of your "cheepo cable", and I dont see how does the material of your "cheepo cable" could justify the materials used in PcWork's cable.

And finally, you claimed that your cheepo cable produces and i quote "cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal", again, your perceived hearing is highly subjective to everyone else's hearing and I believe that statement is clearly Invalid.

What you did there by just merely creating a direct copy of PcWork's cable by sourcing parts which you "assumed to believe" are identical, granted they looked identical, but obviously you have not invested the time and efforts into creating one yourself but instead copied directly from him. Its like you re-creating a recipe from Jamie Oliver's recipe book and claims he overcharges them at his restaurant while you clearly failed to take into account that Jamie's time, efforts and also you failed understand the fact that Jamie Oliver himself came up with his recipe.

Again, please come up with a suitable rebuttal statement with clear backed-up facts before posting them and FYI, i quote "Expected this kind of reply, refer to my above post" is never a smart way of replying but in fact shows your lack in factual statements and utterly.. being Lazy.

This post has been edited by RisingTide: Feb 1 2013, 04:40 PM

Bro, again I respect your opinion, but somehow I find that your opinions are plainly biased and are back by assumptions rather than facts.

First of all, creating a cable And coming up with the pricing Are Equally Rocket Science. Yes you heard me right. I'm sure a guy with 7years of experience in Creating Web App would understand. I'm gonna touch this subject lightly as I do not want to deviate from our main topic. Putting a price tag involves more towards the Business side of things (which is another kind of rocket science) as a pricing of a object must strike a balance between, Cost, Profit, Perceived Value and Actual Value. Period. If you need to know more, you need to dwell into the Psychology side of things like Psychology analysis on the General public through surveys and research.

Second, please do not bring up sensitive and non-related issues like our car maker Proton. I believe since you're 7years of experience suggest that you're matured and old enough to realise the true intention and background story of our beloved car-maker Proton, (their car build quality is HIGHLY subjective) hence I shall not reiterate again. Again, Proton has NOTHING to do with PcWork's cable.

Thirdly, you claimed you have 7years experience in creating Web App now and by working with big companies you are entitled to charge RM100K? But its not ethically correct? In that case, how much would you charge someone for using/buying your Idea? This is a highly subjective topic as it touches things I've mentioned in my FIRST POINT. And if you ASSUMED that creating an audio connector cable is NOT rocket science, but then I don't see a lot of people venturing into this business, since you've stated the COST for making one is CHEAP.

If I may apply to your case, I can ASSUME that Creating a Web App is easy job, but then again WHY would you sell them to companies at high prices (since you say its ethically incorrect), again, ETHICS are a highly Subjective Topic. I too have tonnes of experience in creating web app myself, so please, if what/everything we do is easy, the world would be a better place to live in. Would you even consider selling me the same/slightly modified but equally sophisticated version of the ones you sold to Petronas at a considerably lower price perhaps?

Fourth, one thing I DO NOT AGREE with is that you blandly accused of PcWork using reengineered cable? What fact does this accusation based upon? Have you personally met him and record his cable making progress? Again, highly subjective and I do recommend you retract that statement.

Fifth, please post/reply opinions based upon hard facts but not your gut feeling, and of course, a professional (I assume) like you would re-check their grammars and spelling before posting something, Lazy is never a reason to slack off in quality.

This post has been edited by RisingTide: Feb 1 2013, 03:14 AM

somebody called for cheap and legendary? =) hahaha

aiya... just telephone them and blab blab la...why we have to face customer suppot here?

This post has been edited by beggarmaster2000: Feb 1 2013, 11:29 AM

Unfortunately i couldnt find that cable thru your online website.

http://jaben.com.my/shopping2/Interconnect-Cable.html
Its under Accessories > Cable
The 499 is impressive