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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Feb 1 2013, 04:08 PM)
http://jaben.com.my/shopping2/Interconnect-Cable.html
Its under Accessories > Cable
The 499 is impressive drool.gif
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hmmm, thats weird. all im seeing is 3 interconnect cables, non of which are of westone upgrade cable. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Feb 1 2013, 04:55 PM)
hmmm, thats weird. all im seeing is 3 interconnect cables, non of which are of westone upgrade cable. hmm.gif
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Opps, it's CIEM cable you're asking? *shrug* Then I think they might not have any list on the Malaysia's one, probably on other region but you can always inquire for it through here, visit or call them. wink.gif
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QUOTE(blacklizard90 @ Feb 1 2013, 01:56 AM)
So you guys are trying to imply that the external cost does affect the sound quality produced by the cable? Interesting  sweat.gif

Charging customer to avoid bankrupt is a crime
Why does Proton still produce crappy car even thought they have been in the industry for quite some time and the pricing is shit..
I'm not complaining about the sound quality, I just merely pointing out that the cable I did can produce the same sound as the RM80 cable, that interest me weather the cable used in the one sold by jaben is really a good quality cable and worth RM80

And i think i have a good pair of ear to appreciate music and can tell the difference, hope I make my self clear. 
I was poisoned by jaben reputation and I thought all the stuff they sell is good quality( which I have doubt now). Well, i tried to ask the guy in jaben what cable is used to make that, he just say its a diy cable, I asked to ask him few times, he still say DIY cable. I bought it because it sounds better then normal cheepo read made cable, it not my fault that I don't be in the scene long enough
LOL, I didn't say anything about the cable I did is RM40, please read what I wrote carefully. If you think its not fair, feel free to come to my place to test, I bet you wont hear any difference.

Basically I can charge my customer who want to create a web application with me? Like it was said in one of the reply above? pcwork have done lot of cable and bla bla, well i have more than 7 years of experience creating web app, I've done project for Petronas and few other big player and also for celebrity, if that's the case even a simple web app, I can charge around RM100K, but I can't, that not ethically correct..

One more thing, pcwork just merely buy the already engineered cable, he is not engineering the cable itself.

Example on my side of work:
1) Create blog with wordpress
2) Coding a custom cms for blogging

cost for this two thing is totally difference, same goes here. The cable manufacture will be clearly state in datasheet what the cable they produce is capable. Just stating the obvious here, no rocket science, what really bothers me here is that most of the peeps here is assuming coming up with a audio connector cable is a rocket science

at least  penmarker understand the real purpose of my rant.  thumbup.gif

ps: there maybe typo error in my reply, too lazy to check
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You are very interesting. By using your way of counting,

Coffee bean cost RM2, Filter water cost you RM0.1, Boiling the water cost you RM0.1, total up is RM2.2. Then why you go Starbuck and buy their RM15 coffe? So Starbuck is cheating you?!!

slice of lemon cost RM0.5, Filter water cost you RM0.1, ice cost you RM0.1, tea bag cost RM0.5. Total up is RM1.2. Then why you go oldtown and get their RM5 Ice lemon tea? So Oldtown is cheating you?

On the road side curry laksa selling RM3, in Paparich they selling the exactly same thing for RM10. So paparich is cheating you?

filter water cost RM0.1, kopitiam charge you RM0.5 per cup, so Kopitiam is cheating you?

1 t-shirt the material cost RM10, H&M selling RM80, so H&M is cheating you?

building up a house cost RM100k, the developer charge you 2million, so the developer is cheating you?

I suggest you should go to do everything DIY, make the car urself so won't get cheated by car manufacturer, go to kopitiam and bring your own water and food, so won't get cheated by kopitiam, go to starbuck and bring your DIY coffee so won't get cheated by starbuck, walk to work so won't get cheated by rapidKL or KTM; make your cloth urself so you won't get cheated by the cloth manufacturer, lastly, build the house yourself so you won't get cheated by the developer.

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QUOTE(Junk992 @ Feb 1 2013, 11:19 PM)
You are very interesting. By using your way of counting,

Coffee bean cost RM2, Filter water cost you RM0.1, Boiling the water cost you RM0.1, total up is RM2.2. Then why you go Starbuck and buy their RM15 coffe? So Starbuck is cheating you?!!

slice of lemon cost RM0.5, Filter water cost you RM0.1, ice cost you RM0.1, tea bag cost RM0.5. Total up is RM1.2. Then why you go oldtown and get their RM5 Ice lemon tea? So Oldtown is cheating you?

On the road side curry laksa selling RM3, in Paparich they selling the exactly same thing for RM10. So paparich is cheating you?

filter water cost RM0.1, kopitiam charge you RM0.5 per cup, so Kopitiam is cheating you?

1 t-shirt the material cost RM10, H&M selling RM80, so H&M is cheating you?

building up a house cost RM100k, the developer charge you 2million, so the developer is cheating you?

I suggest you should go to do everything DIY, make the car urself so won't get cheated by car manufacturer, go to kopitiam and bring your own water and food, so won't get cheated by kopitiam, go to starbuck and bring your DIY coffee so won't get cheated by starbuck, walk to work so won't get cheated by rapidKL or KTM; make your cloth urself so you won't get cheated by the cloth manufacturer, lastly, build the house yourself so you won't get cheated by the developer.

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Although I do think that everything in the market has their price marked really high to cover all the cost and research fee, but I, for one, agree that "audiophile" grade cable price is very expensive. Heck,some speaker cable even cost more than 30,000 dollars! But at the end of the day, if someone think cable makes a huge difference in the sound quality, then why not? Whether the cable really show any difference in audio quality is debatable though. whistling.gif

But I guess a (theoretical) DIY interconnect made with a big, solid chunk of copper as the “cable" might sound as good, if not better than audiophile cable and might even cost lesser. whistling.gif
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Man, brands are so expensive.
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QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:16 AM)
Not so fast my friend..

First of all, we're all adults here right? And since its a forum we're all entitled to our own opinions without quick to draw arms at each other; And bro I respect you for voicing out your opinion towards the assumed "total cost" of PcWork's cable, but bro before you conclude, heres my opinion.

Apparently your case did not include one VITAL factor, and that is RESEARCH. You see, you have been comparing the price of each make-up piece of the cable, and other assumed "untung" figures, but clearly you have not taken into account the time, resources (like materials) and funding's needed to Create that one single connector with a Specific Sound.
Why everyone is so hooked up the word research? Its already done by the cable manufacture..

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:16 AM)
SpringBiscuit made a good statement that what we all are paying eventually is the value of the sound, how much its worth. And to produce it, PcWork and his team requires a lot of time and funding's needed for their research, and REMEMBER, its not JUST for ONE cable, they are creating Multiple cables for that caters for different setups.
If I may say, you don't seem to know anything about doing business

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
incoming parther.. and i believe my previous comment has just made your case clear.

and

PS, your previous post did not Mentioned anything about the things I've stated in my previous post, I shall quote your previous comment
"cost for this two thing is totally difference, same goes here. The cable manufacture will be clearly state in datasheet what the cable they produce is capable."
Your implying that the total cost of a cable is merely by the cost of each makeup material alone, hence there is NO need to refer to your previous post.
Read again my friend.

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
You also did not mentioned the material make-up of your "cheepo cable", and I dont see how does the material of your "cheepo cable" could justify the materials used in PcWork's cable.
Its just normal copper cable used for audio. Heck, even the seller in Jaben don't know what cable it is.. LOL, if I know what is the cable used in the "RM80" cable, there is no need for all this, I think Jaben should be more responsible to what what are they really selling.

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
And finally, you claimed that your cheepo cable produces and i quote "cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal",  again, your perceived hearing is highly subjective to everyone else's hearing and I believe that statement is clearly Invalid.
I think i have a good hearing and I have enough listening experience to differentiate between SQ.

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
What you did there by just merely creating a direct copy of PcWork's cable by sourcing parts which you "assumed to believe" are identical, granted they looked identical, but obviously you have not invested the time and efforts into creating one yourself but instead copied directly from him. Its like you re-creating a recipe from Jamie Oliver's recipe book and claims he overcharges them at his restaurant while you clearly failed to take into account that Jamie's time, efforts and also you failed understand the fact that Jamie Oliver himself came up with his recipe.


Are you kidding me? is there any difference(see picture)? or do you want to say I have sight problem?

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Too bad he din patent his work. I cant do anything about it smile.gif

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
Again, please come up with a suitable rebuttal statement with clear backed-up facts before posting them and FYI, i quote "Expected this kind of reply, refer to my above post" is never a smart way of replying but in fact shows your lack in factual statements and utterly.. being Lazy.
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I think i have showed enough to back up my statement, and for my "Expected this kind of reply", is because some of the peeps here illustrated in the pic below and they are the who will reply.. I've seen that smile.gif

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QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Bro, again I respect your opinion, but somehow I find that your opinions are plainly biased and are back by assumptions rather than facts.


Because there is no info what is that "RM80" is made of, so i assume its a cheap cable since the cable that I bought for RM2.40 per meter(see recipt) can produce better quality sound, if you don't believe, you can come over to my place and test for yourself
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QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
First of all, creating a cable And coming up with the pricing Are Equally Rocket Science. Yes you heard me right.


Is your choice to believe its a rocket science or not, but if its really a rocket science, then why dont we see rocket goes up to sky everyday like cable comes up to market?

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
I'm sure a guy with 7years of experience in Creating Web App would understand. I'm gonna touch this subject lightly as I do not want to deviate from our main topic. Putting a price tag involves more towards the Business side of things (which is another kind of rocket science) as a pricing of a object must strike a balance between, Cost, Profit, Perceived Value and Actual Value. Period. If you need to know more, you need to dwell into the Psychology side of things like Psychology analysis on the General public through surveys and research.

Second, please do not bring up sensitive and non-related issues like our car maker Proton. I believe since you're 7years of experience suggest that you're matured and old enough to realise the true intention and background story of our beloved car-maker Proton, (their car build quality is HIGHLY subjective) hence I shall not reiterate again. Again, Proton has NOTHING to do with PcWork's cable.
QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Thirdly, you claimed you have 7years experience in creating Web App now and by working with big companies you are entitled to charge RM100K? But its not ethically correct?   In that case, how much would you charge someone for using/buying your Idea? This is a highly subjective topic as it touches things I've mentioned in my FIRST POINT.  And if you ASSUMED that creating an audio connector cable is NOT rocket science, but then I don't see a lot of people venturing into this business, since you've stated the COST for making one is CHEAP.


First of all, you cant buy or sell idea.
I can't do anything if not a lot people venturing into this business, I don't have any right over them what they want to do.

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
If I may apply to your case, I can ASSUME that Creating a Web App is easy job, but then again WHY would you sell them to companies at high prices (since you say its ethically incorrect), again, ETHICS are a highly Subjective Topic. I too have tonnes of experience in creating web app myself, so please, if what/everything we do is easy, the world would be a better place to live in. Would you even consider selling me the same/slightly modified but equally sophisticated version of the ones you sold to Petronas at a considerably lower price perhaps?


Can't you see the relation here? shocking.gif

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Fourth, one thing I DO NOT AGREE with is that you blandly accused of PcWork using reengineered cable? What fact does this accusation based upon? Have you personally met him and record his cable making progress? Again, highly subjective and I do recommend you retract that statement.


Butthurt?

Its super obvious the cable is engineered by the cable manufacture, he just use the cable to create a interconnect cable. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(RisingTide @ Feb 1 2013, 02:44 AM)
Fifth, please post/reply opinions based upon hard facts but not your gut feeling, and of course, a professional (I assume) like you would re-check their grammars and spelling before posting something, Lazy is never a reason to slack off in quality.
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Then go read my post, there is fact from my side, there is no fact that the cable cost that much to create .

This post has been edited by blacklizard90: Feb 2 2013, 07:46 AM


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QUOTE(Junk992 @ Feb 1 2013, 11:19 PM)
You are very interesting. By using your way of counting,

Coffee bean cost RM2, Filter water cost you RM0.1, Boiling the water cost you RM0.1, total up is RM2.2. Then why you go Starbuck and buy their RM15 coffe? So Starbuck is cheating you?!!

slice of lemon cost RM0.5, Filter water cost you RM0.1, ice cost you RM0.1, tea bag cost RM0.5. Total up is RM1.2. Then why you go oldtown and get their RM5 Ice lemon tea? So Oldtown is cheating you?

On the road side curry laksa selling RM3, in Paparich they selling the exactly same thing for RM10. So paparich is cheating you?

filter water cost RM0.1, kopitiam charge you RM0.5 per cup, so Kopitiam is cheating you?

1 t-shirt the material cost RM10, H&M selling RM80, so H&M is cheating you?

building up a house cost RM100k, the developer charge you 2million, so the developer is cheating you?

I suggest you should go to do everything DIY, make the car urself so won't get cheated by car manufacturer, go to kopitiam and bring your own water and food, so won't get cheated by kopitiam, go to starbuck and bring your DIY coffee so won't get cheated by starbuck, walk to work so won't get cheated by rapidKL or KTM; make your cloth urself so you won't get cheated by the cloth manufacturer, lastly, build the house yourself so you won't get cheated by the developer.

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This is how an idiot talks, at lest I have prove the justify the price, what do you have?
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post Feb 2 2013, 10:21 AM

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haha guys, no point argue with this, as this topic has been existed in all audio forums and it is a never ending story.

Since it is Jaben thread, should we end this discussion, if you prefer please open a new thread.
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QUOTE(blacklizard90 @ Jan 31 2013, 07:08 AM)
So last month I bought this cable from Jaben Subang, cost me RM80(see resit)

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Yesterday went to jalan pasar and saw the 3.5mm jack used in the cable, which cost RM3 per piece(see resit).

Let say RM3 for the sleeving and heat shrink, RM10 for workmanship, RM10 untung for jaben, RM10 untung for pcwork

so

RM80 - RM3 - RM10 - RM10 - RM10 - RM6(the jack will be cheaper if take in bulk) = so does the cable really cost RM41 ?
So i get a cheepo cable which is RM2.40 per meter to create my own cable(see pic below), and surprisingly the cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal  shocking.gif

So am i being cheated by jaben? I have no idea.

If anyone want to test the cable, I live in cyber, if anyone live in cyber and want to test the cable, feel free to pm me.

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I rest my case
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I'm not sure why you start this debate here (are you looking for rebate or refund, if yes save it and go to sleep)

Firstly you got so much time to do research and give evidence to support your statements. But you don't have the time to do simple comparison (even aunties know how to compare price between supermarkets). Please la, do your research before you purchase not after.

By accuse Jaben cheat you, how they cheat you? Do they change their price when different customer walk in like pasar malam?? They told you the price and you test it and the item you purchase is in good condition, so how they cheat you, you pay it willingly anyway.

Sound quality is very subjective by people, I myself not very like picaso painting, but some people willing to pay few million for his painting because they think is worth it. If you do comparison properly and test the cable in jalan pasar before you purchase before you chose to buy the cable from Jaben then this debate should not even exist. RM80 for a cable is expensive for normal cable, this is a common sense because almost everyone know normal cable is not cost that price, by buying expensive stuff you should do more comparison.

So by failing to make a proper comparison before you purchase is your own mistake bear with it, we sometimes do regret on some decision we made after purchase expensive things and noted there is cheaper alternative. please dun say people cheat you.

And 1 more, saying others idiot is a very rude words, please behave yourself.
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QUOTE(FirstDuke @ Feb 2 2013, 02:51 PM)
I'm not sure why you start this debate here (are you looking for rebate or refund, if yes save it and go to sleep)

Firstly you got so much time to do research and give evidence to support your statements. But you don't have the time to do simple comparison (even aunties know how to compare price between supermarkets). Please la, do your research before you purchase not after.

By accuse Jaben cheat you, how they cheat you? Do they change their price when different customer walk in like pasar malam?? They told you the price and you test it and the item you purchase is in good condition, so how they cheat you, you pay it willingly anyway.

Sound quality is very subjective by people, I myself not very like picaso painting, but some people willing to pay few million for his painting because they think is worth it. If you do comparison properly and test the cable in jalan pasar before you purchase before you chose to buy the cable from Jaben then this debate should not even exist. RM80 for a cable is expensive for normal cable, this is a common sense because almost everyone know normal cable is not cost that price, by buying expensive stuff you should do more comparison.

So by failing to make a proper comparison before you purchase is your own mistake bear with it, we sometimes  do regret on some decision we made after purchase expensive things and noted there is cheaper alternative. please dun say people cheat you.

And 1 more, saying others idiot is a very rude words, please behave yourself.
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You seriously need to refer to all my previous post.. doh.gif

I don't regret buying this cable, its does gives better SQ if compared to the ready made cheap cable. The thing is the RM2.40 cable provide better SQ.

All i can say is either Jaben or pcwork is over charging.. It seem like this so called "audiophile" cables is the best way to make money these days.. below some comparison pic.

Anyway, I will be proceeding to NCCC around next week.

Too bad i don't have multimeter with me right now to test the resistance of both cable.

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The cable used , nothing extraordinary about the cable, looks like a normal cable, dont have any kind of info on the cable, normally good quality cable have info on the cable itself. Only the RM0.50/per meter cable wont have any info on the cable AFAIK

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Side by side between the "RM80" cable and RM2.40/m cable.

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Aluminium shielding


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nothing extraordinary about the soldering

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Cheap sleeve used in the making of "RM80" cable, can see through the sleeve

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Re-sleeved with good quality sleeve, bought from topazzatech --> http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2527046

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QUOTE(blacklizard90 @ Jan 31 2013, 06:08 AM)
So last month I bought this cable from Jaben Subang, cost me RM80(see resit)

[attachmentid=3289272]

[attachmentid=3289273]

Yesterday went to jalan pasar and saw the 3.5mm jack used in the cable, which cost RM3 per piece(see resit).

Let say RM3 for the sleeving and heat shrink, RM10 for workmanship, RM10 untung for jaben, RM10 untung for pcwork

so

RM80 - RM3 - RM10 - RM10 - RM10 - RM6(the jack will be cheaper if take in bulk) = so does the cable really cost RM41 ?
So i get a cheepo cable which is RM2.40 per meter to create my own cable(see pic below), and surprisingly the cheepo cable can produce the same quality audio and the RM80 cable and plus the cheepo cable produce more crispy vocal  shocking.gif

So am i being cheated by jaben? I have no idea.

If anyone want to test the cable, I live in cyber, if anyone live in cyber and want to test the cable, feel free to pm me.

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I rest my case
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Dear customer, if you have some issue with the cable price. Please come to talk with us in the store but not posting here misleading people.

Let me show you the flaw in your calculations.

Let say RM3 for the sleeving and heat shrink, RM10 for workmanship, RM10 untung for jaben, RM10 untung for pcwork, RM2.40 in the cable

OK first you don't know the cost of the cable, the cable PCwork used remained secret but I can vouch for him he is using at least one that is reasonably good and durable cable. Did you test it in high end earphones and headphones? What rig did you used to compare? How and why do you want to fix our returns or our stock?

Do you know there are hidden cost? Taxes? Initial investment to make cables? Rentals? Wages? Transport? Other expenses? I assume you never involved in any business activities and understand how they works. You couldn't be saying and analysing and dissecting things like this.

I hope we can stop this cable discussion as it is no point continue. You may PM me if you are not happy with my replies, thanks.

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I trust jaben and pcwork im not an audiophile but im sure what they give is good workmanship and QOS!

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erhhhh i can sense butthurt so massive.. LOL

simple rule, you do yourself, you pay less, you lazy, you pay for other to do for you..

Simple example, to change a car engine oil is pretty simple, but most ppl send to workshop, as not many ppl want to get dirty with the oil, so you pay for the service.

another example, rooting Android or jailbreak iDevices is pretty straight forward with free tutorials online, but most ppl still pay RM50-100 for phone service to do it, and they do it at almost no cost! (heck just time cost and some electrical).. the price of being lazy

just last night, i read around on how to mod a Grado headphone to woodie, it seems pretty straight forward, it is not a rocket science, but still i doubt if i have time to do it, because i'm a working person..

and, for RM80, no need to mourn la.. how much they untung, RM20-30? just let it la.. unless if they sell something RM1k and out of that RM500 is their profit, then it is really vmad.gif
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and to Jaben, please keep and maintain your good service, as many ppl have trust on you, don't let us down. we are audiophile family, aite? laugh.gif

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Hippo FoamTips: the latest model H100 very good SQ AND nice isolation with my TDK BA 200 thumbup.gif
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wah i think this page alone is the longest page ever in jaben's thread
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Feb 3 2013, 12:22 PM)
Hippo FoamTips: the latest model H100 very good SQ AND nice isolation with my TDK BA 200 thumbup.gif
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is the hippo foam the same fitting as comply???

i use T-100's... it so much cheaper looking at the price...
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QUOTE(butthead @ Feb 5 2013, 10:01 AM)
is the hippo foam the same fitting as comply???

i use T-100's... it so much cheaper looking at the price...
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Yeah it is the same fitting rclxms.gif

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