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post Nov 9 2012, 12:30 PM, updated 11y ago

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Hi,

Are there a lot of people using smart tags nowadays? From what I have observed, usually the toll lanes for Smart Tags are lease congested.

Personally, I prefer using it as it saves me time. However I find it troublesome to remove and hide it every time I leave my car. Have anyone tried concealing their smart tags where they can just leave it there (with access to Touch 'n Go - to reload) unless we are using Quik2Go.


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post Nov 9 2012, 12:50 PM

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u can DIY it to fix in your car by put the sensor on top of the dashboard and hide the card reader below the dashboard, all u need is wiring and some DIY skill
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post Nov 9 2012, 12:53 PM

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i hang it on the black 10" tint on the top of windscreen. Put it near to the pillar, outside cant c. hehe
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post Nov 9 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Nine9 @ Nov 9 2012, 12:50 PM)
u can DIY it to fix in your car by put the sensor on top of the dashboard and hide the card reader below the dashboard, all u need is wiring and some DIY skill
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You mean the Smart Tag can be dismantled?
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post Nov 9 2012, 03:19 PM

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why not? all electronic thing can be dismantled, u just need creativity to create new housing for it and place the sensor on top of the dashboard or may stick it at your car windshield... I also planning wan to make 1 put into my car, now finding for cheap smart tag device
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post Nov 9 2012, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Nine9 @ Nov 9 2012, 03:19 PM)
why not? all electronic thing can be dismantled, u just need creativity to create new housing for it and place the sensor on top of the dashboard or may stick it at your car windshield... I also planning wan to make 1 put into my car, now finding for cheap smart tag device
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Will try to do it this evening after work!
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post Nov 9 2012, 04:01 PM

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carefully dismantle it bro, and make sure u have spare smart tag for testing at the tol... update the pic too~
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post Nov 9 2012, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(Nine9 @ Nov 9 2012, 04:01 PM)
carefully dismantle it bro, and make sure u have spare smart tag for testing at the tol... update the pic too~
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Will be careful, but do not have a spare though. Will update my work log if I am successful!
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post Nov 9 2012, 04:22 PM

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yup, i think u will need soldering tool, cable tide and some wire... hope u will successful mod it
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post Nov 9 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Nine9 @ Nov 9 2012, 04:22 PM)
yup, i think u will need soldering tool, cable tide and some wire... hope u will successful mod it
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A search on the web shows that there had been several people asking. Have not seen any successful attempts though.
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Nov 9 2012, 04:44 PM)
A search on the web shows that there had been several people asking. Have not seen any successful attempts though.
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SmartTag works on IR (infra-red), means needs line of sight.
The best position for best signal strength is in the middle (rear view mirror) and as front as possible (dashboard)

Safest is still to hide it, and hence, I think the best is still to dismantle and re-wire it.
Keep the tag in glovebox. Do another power rewire from Cigarette lighter, but make sure your cigarette lighter is those type that will switch off when you off ignition. Otherwise, drain battery.

Also, you need to reduce the voltage from 12-14V to 8-9V range.

Test it on the left-most SmartTag lane, where you can always reverse into T&G lanes or manual pay.
Also, test only on non-peak hours so that a long queue won't suddenly build up behind you.

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post Nov 9 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Nov 9 2012, 06:43 PM)
SmartTag works on IR (infra-red), means needs line of sight.
The best position for best signal strength is in the middle (rear view mirror) and as front as possible (dashboard)

Safest is still to hide it, and hence, I think the best is still to dismantle and re-wire it.
Keep the tag in glovebox. Do another power rewire from Cigarette lighter, but make sure your cigarette lighter is those type that will switch off when you off ignition. Otherwise, drain battery.

Also, you need to reduce the voltage from 12-14V to 8-9V range.

Test it on the left-most SmartTag lane, where you can always reverse into T&G lanes or manual pay.
Also, test only on non-peak hours so that a long queue won't suddenly build up behind you.
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Thanks for the valuable advice. Will update here as soon as I attempt.
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post Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM

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I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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QUOTE(muserella @ Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM)
I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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For educational purpose I think you won't get ban. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(muserella @ Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM)
I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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can use PM drool.gif

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QUOTE(muserella @ Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM)
I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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PM me? brows.gif
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QUOTE(muserella @ Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM)
I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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stay close to the front car?
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QUOTE(muserella @ Nov 10 2012, 07:35 AM)
I usually just keep the tag inside the glove box and ask my wife to pass it to me when we wanted to use it, then keep it back in the glove box.. tongue.gif

Btw, a taxi driver taught me how to cheat the smart tag.. it work, but of course if I mentioned it here I'll be banned.
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There are several methods, but if done too frequent and the lane has camera, you'll be reported to police. Whether it is worth to break the law for rm1.xx for X numbe rof times, it is each individual call... rolleyes.gif

For those old enough, Grand Saga started without the barrier at toll plaza. But with too many vehicles start to just speed through, finally they install barrier.
Another one didn't install camera on all lanes, too many violations, and they also install camera wink.gif
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I received numerous of PM today asking how to do it.. My method requires no cucuk rapat2 nor modifying your smart tag. This method was discovered by taxis & lorry drivers (no offences, my late father also was a taxi driver) don't tell me you can't think of it.. it's so simple. You just need to really understand how the system works. By saying system, it's not only the electronics, it can be the terms & conditions of the facilities. I've gave a lot of hints.. the rest is up to you how to figured it out. tongue.gif

"If you good at something, don't do it for free" The Joker..
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post Nov 12 2012, 10:07 PM

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Dismantling Smart Tag

I have managed to dismantle the Smart Tag without issue.

There are basically 2 screws. The 1st one is located on the left side just below the "Smart Tag" logo. There is a plastic cover that covers the hole of the screw. The second one is inside the battery compartment.

The screws however are not "-" or "+". It is a type of six lobe screw. The casing can be dismantle without any problem as soon the screws are removed.

Now I am exploring my Kenari to know which would be the best position to place the board. Would I be able to install it under the dash board and connect the sensor on top of the dash board? Any ideas where can I get the add on sensor and what type of sensor is that? Can normal RFID sensor work or there is a special type?


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post Nov 16 2012, 09:01 AM

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I have thought of concealing under my sun visor. Not sure if the tint on the top part of my front screen will cause any issue though.

Found a website where the author shares his guide, but he is based in the U.S. and not driving a kenari, LOL.




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Nice job dude! thumbup.gif I was thinking of doing this - just couldn't get a used SmartTag at a good price yet tongue.gif
Anyway, just a thought - why not tap the 12v line in your car to power the circuit? You'll need to bring 12v to 9v to power the circuit but in the end, you'll end up with a SmartTag with no battery brows.gif

Keep it up dude... and keep us posted smile.gif
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post Nov 16 2012, 10:13 AM

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TS, why so must hassle on this. Just asking your opinion.

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post Nov 16 2012, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Nov 16 2012, 09:16 AM)
Nice job dude! thumbup.gif I was thinking of doing this - just couldn't get a used SmartTag at a good price yet tongue.gif
Anyway, just a thought - why not tap the 12v line in your car to power the circuit? You'll need to bring 12v to 9v to power the circuit but in the end, you'll end up with a SmartTag with no battery brows.gif

Keep it up dude... and keep us posted smile.gif
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Yeah, will do that eventually. Hate to change the battery. But I have to find a way to expose the access of inserting Touch 'n Go. I don't think drivers in the US have a separate card for their credit and that is why they can conceal it fully, unless I apply for a Zing Card?


Added on November 16, 2012, 10:26 am
QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:13 AM)
TS, why so must hassle on this. Just asking your opinion.
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Sorry, I do not understand your question.

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post Nov 16 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:25 AM)
Yeah, will do that eventually. Hate to change the battery. But I have to find a way to expose the access of inserting Touch 'n Go. I don't think drivers in the US have a separate card for their credit  and that is why they can conceal it fully, unless I apply for a Zing Card?
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I think creating an insertion port is better than Zing card - they charge a certain fee for every auto-reload. A few RM IINM. Not worth it if you as me - but that's just me. Maybe some people find it worth their convenience...
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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Nov 16 2012, 10:37 AM)
I think creating an insertion port is better than Zing card - they charge a certain fee for every auto-reload. A few RM IINM. Not worth it if you as me - but that's just me. Maybe some people find it worth their convenience...
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I share the same opinion. Will see what I can do.
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:25 AM)
Yeah, will do that eventually. Hate to change the battery. But I have to find a way to expose the access of inserting Touch 'n Go. I don't think drivers in the US have a separate card for their credit  and that is why they can conceal it fully, unless I apply for a Zing Card?


Added on November 16, 2012, 10:26 am

Sorry, I do not understand your question.
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I mean why you need to dismantling it and conceal it to a way no one can see at outside and need to see feng shui where it can detected when passing the Smart tag. I know the reasons but it is quite hassle or ma fan on my side. Why don't put to the in arm rest or glove compartment or the side compartment at your door? And take it out when you pass the smart tag.

Even i saw few cars just stick to windscreen without care of the world. I know previously a lot of people steal smart tag, but now is like majority have smart tag till sometimes i prefer go cash lane or touch n go due to line dam long. They even have RM90 promotion during every Raya.

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post Nov 16 2012, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:41 AM)
I mean why you need to dismantling it and conceal it to a way no one can see at outside and need to see feng shui where it can detected when passing the Smart tag. I know the reasons but it is quite hassle or ma fan on my side. Why don't put to the in arm rest or glove compartment or the side compartment at your door? And take it out when you pass the smart tag. 

Even i saw few cars just stick to windscreen without care of the world. I know previously a lot of people steal smart tag, but now is like majority have smart tag till sometimes i prefer go cash lane or touch n go due to line dam long. They even have RM90 promotion during every Raya.
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The reason I am doing this is as you know. I find it less hassle in the long run.

Stealing smart tag is not a bit issue, the issue is stealing a smart tag with a few hundred credits and worse if your windows are broken into.
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:41 AM)
I mean why you need to dismantling it and conceal it to a way no one can see at outside and need to see feng shui where it can detected when passing the Smart tag. I know the reasons but it is quite hassle or ma fan on my side. Why don't put to the in arm rest or glove compartment or the side compartment at your door? And take it out when you pass the smart tag. 

Even i saw few cars just stick to windscreen without care of the world. I know previously a lot of people steal smart tag, but now is like majority have smart tag till sometimes i prefer go cash lane or touch n go due to line dam long. They even have RM90 promotion during every Raya.
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My guess for the reason to conceal is because we are in m'sia... we need to hide all valuable item to prevent from stealing... i hide mine on the door compartment... as long as ppl cant see it than the gadget is safe... old skool thinking.. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(kentLKW @ Nov 16 2012, 10:49 AM)
My guess for the reason to conceal is because we are in m'sia... we need to hide all valuable item to prevent from stealing... i hide mine on the door compartment... as long as ppl cant see it than the gadget is safe... old skool thinking.. rolleyes.gif
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I think it's "cool" to have something there, but not there tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GoldenHawk @ Nov 16 2012, 10:54 AM)
I think it's "cool" to have something there, but not there tongue.gif
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Haha, it might be, but my sole purpose is for convenient and yet safe.

If only smart tag is not targeted, I would have leave it on the holder 24/7.
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post Nov 16 2012, 12:48 PM

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good share...update wen u install at yr car.
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Looks like the sensor is souldered onto the chip?. If that is the case might as well just wrap the PCB with some phone/camera cover & stick it onto the windscreen. Nobody will know it's a smart tag.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Nov 16 2012, 01:22 PM)
Looks like the sensor is souldered onto the chip?. If that is the case might as well just wrap the PCB with some phone/camera cover & stick it onto the windscreen. Nobody will know it's a smart tag.
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They might not realise what it is for sometime, but will soon find out. Am thinking for a permanent solution.
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You stick it at the back of the rear view mirror wrapped in same color black & leave the sensor open unlikely anyone will spot it unless they go point blank and see.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Nov 16 2012, 02:00 PM)
You stick it at the back of the rear view mirror wrapped in same color black & leave the sensor open unlikely anyone will spot it unless they go point blank and see.
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That's what I am thinking as well, not sure how the tinting of the top part of the mirror will affect. If possible, I will probably just attach it with the original casing given there is enough space.

But the real idea is to extend the sensor to the top of the dash board while I can just place the original module the glove box - gives easy access to crediting the card and looks neat!
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I think the 6 items "LED lookalike" are the transmitters.

Do you think I can desolder them and extend with a smaller PCB board. It will then be wired through?

Do you think it can work?

*Edited:

Should be circuit board rather than PCB Board.

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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Nov 16 2012, 02:21 PM)
I think the 6 items "LED lookalike" are the transmitters.

Do you think I can desolder them and extend with a smaller PCB board. It will then be wired through?

Do you think it can work?

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Should be circuit board rather than PCB Board.
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I've not yet dismantle my smart-tag.
Is that the front-facing part ? I'll assume the back-facing part is where you slot the TnG card.
If yes, then confirmed 100% the LED are infra-red LED to transmit.
However, there should be a Receiver antenna also, which I'll assume are the small squares (can't see clearly) next to the LED. Are there any parts/cable not shown in pics from the plastic casing ? hmm.gif

De-soldering it MAY / MAY NOT work. In case the heat damage other components.
Also, with the additional wire length, need to check if any leak/resistance in power. That may have a 50-50 effect of smart-tag lanes able to read or not.

About your tinting, as long as it is not mid/high-end v-kool or anything with metalic particles, it will work. If you notice, some cars that do not cut a hole at the windscreen for tinting, the driver have to open window and wave while driving through smart tag lane.

Another way of mounting is, get another slim box, cut a front-facing hole for the LED, put some clear plastics/tinting. Cut another slot-hole on top, to slot in the TnG card. Then mount it on the upper part of windscreen.
Only minimal wiring work just for the power ... and to reduce from DC 12V to 9V . Check the ampere also.

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Hi vincent,

Have you test to unsolder them and extend it to the wind screen ? Does it work ?

Very interested in this DIY project.


QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Nov 16 2012, 02:21 PM)
I think the 6 items "LED lookalike" are the transmitters.

Do you think I can desolder them and extend with a smaller PCB board. It will then be wired through?

Do you think it can work?

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Should be circuit board rather than PCB Board.
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Have not. As I might be purchasing a new vehicle, I am thinking to unsolder this current smart tag when I received a free new smart tag. LOL.
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I reading this post. Why not just hide inside tissue box at middle of dash board. smile.gif
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hmm.gif


or, if theres any fiber optic cable that can direct the ir light in/out???
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QUOTE(C.P.U @ Jan 7 2013, 01:54 PM)
I reading this post. Why not just hide inside tissue box at middle of dash board. smile.gif
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Hmm, prefer to have a clean setup. Still wondering how though.
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any1 hacking their smart tag?
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Since you are buying new car, try to ask for a free smart tag from your salesman.. usually they will give, like mine biggrin.gif then u have extra unit to play with hehe..
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Jan 15 2013, 04:55 PM)
Hmm, prefer to have a clean setup. Still wondering how though.
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Hey Vincent, regarding your question on removing the soldering of the InfraRed LEDs - it can be done and if done correctly, there shouldn't be any damage to the LEDs. The problem as cute_boboi pointed out is the antennas that receive the signal from the toll booth that triggers your SmartTag to start transmitting. I'm not sure if this signal is also IR or if they're RF signals but in either case, it'll likely not work well if you put the receiver somewhere deep in your car.

Here's a thought:
1. Lengthen the battery wire, solder it into a stripboard with an LM7809 and 2 capacitors then connect it by soldering some wire to an adapter for the cigarette lighter. This can be your permanent power source. The LM7809 will reduce the 12v from your cigarette lighter to a steady 9v into your SmartTag.

2. Desolder the buzzer from the smart tag and solder wires in its place then solder the other end of the wires to the buzzer. This is to offset the big buzzer from the tag allowing for a slimmer profile. Also you can get creative here by using lights instead of a buzzer or both etc. Also you can mount the buzzer or whatever combo you create anywhere you like in the car.

3. I can't be sure how thick the smart tag circuitry is from the picture but judging from the battery next to it, it's no thicker than a 9v battery. This means you can get the whole thing into a pretty slim casing - you can try getting any existing pre-made cases from electronics shops or you can craft your own using those pre-made cases. The name of the game here is to keep the thing slim but accessible. It needs to be transparent to let the IR through but the innards shouldn't be visible. Maybe you can reuse that dark plastic from the original SmartTag case? You also need to mount the smart card within the case using glue or something so that it doesn't rattle around in the case.

4. This is the part where it gets hard. We're working a line-of-sight restriction here where the transmitter (and probably receiver) must be line of sight to the reader at the toll plaza. 2 solutions I can think of are:
a. Mount the new case you've made behind the rear view mirror. The tinting would likely interfere with the strength of the IR light, so you need to remove some of the tinting. Since the front facing part of the case will also be dark, it shouldn't really ruin the aesthetics much but you be the judge of that. If you've made your battery wire long enough, you can get a mechanic or the body shop to run the wire through the ceiling material, down your A pillar, through your dash and to the cigarette lighter area.

b. See if you can get the body shop people to cut a slot somewhere near the front top surface of your dashboard where the windshield meets the dash that can fit your case tidily such that once your new case with the dark plastic top is in the slot, it looks as if the dark plastic bit was part of the dashboard. The grey dash / black plastic wouldn't look too messy if the slot is cut and shaped nicely. I'm not sure if the SmartTag works if it's pointed up vertically or if needs to point forwards at an angle. You can test it out with your normal smart tag if you wish by leaving it flat on its back on the dash and driving through the smart tag lane.


If you come up with a solution to the mounting problem, post it here! This is a good thread rclxms.gif

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Did this middle last year. Tried numerous way to powered by car power, but somehow can't detect when passing the toll, probably the grounding running on the car chassis somehow interfere with the signal.

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QUOTE(wei @ Feb 3 2013, 01:43 AM)
Did this middle last year. Tried numerous way to powered by car power, but somehow can't detect when passing the toll, probably the grounding running on the car chassis somehow interfere with the signal.

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Bro, what did you use to reduce the 12v to 9v when using car power?

Also how did you mount the main board to the windshield?
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QUOTE(DeniseLau @ Feb 3 2013, 01:53 AM)
Bro, what did you use to reduce the 12v to 9v when using car power?

Also how did you mount the main board to the windshield?
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Various ready made micro circuit I found online, volt meter reading says 9+V. Actually I've even tried connect direct car supply to it. Still won't detect, press button to check credit and battery all ok. As you can see on the photo there's a black casing where I put the main board, that part is glued to the windshield, right behind the rearview mirror where I have some clear space for it.

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Post #47 by wei , the top-left image with the cover dismantled. Look at the board.

The 4 transparent LED are IR-LED transmitter. These need line of sight for it to work. Therefore, it must be pointing upward (angled) towards the antenna at the toll lane. If put into another box, remember to cut a hole or it must be IR-light pass-thru enabled.

When there is a transmitter, there is the IR-Receiver also...

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i tried to modify and failed. 1 of the transmitters burned while i was soldering the wire for the battery. where can i get replacement for the transmitter?
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QUOTE(wei @ Feb 3 2013, 02:01 AM)
may i know what did u use for the body? aluminum foil? looks neat
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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Nov 10 2012, 07:20 PM)
There are several methods, but if done too frequent and the lane has camera, you'll be reported to police. Whether it is worth to break the law for rm1.xx for X numbe rof times, it is each individual call...  rolleyes.gif
u sure they'll report to police? bcoz i accidentally pecut n cucuk rapat behind my dad's car when he pass thru d smart tag. months has passed, n i have yet to receive any summons from d police. n yes, d lane has camera of course. (plaza tol from subang to shah alam)
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QUOTE(C.P.U @ Jan 7 2013, 01:54 PM)
I reading this post. Why not just hide inside tissue box at middle of dash board. smile.gif
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i think the tissue box will obscure the infra red signal
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cannot unweld the IR leds only and put into holder and leave on the dashboard while the circuit board put elsewhere
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I'm using 2.5" portable HDD casing, plastic type. Cut a window for the sensor.
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QUOTE(pelams @ Feb 11 2013, 03:54 PM)
u sure they'll report to police? bcoz i accidentally pecut n cucuk rapat behind my dad's car when he pass thru d smart tag. months has passed, n i have yet to receive any summons from d police. n yes, d lane has camera of course. (plaza tol from subang to shah alam)
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Yes, I saw operations people at their HQ preparing documentations to submit to police. They also show me some previously submitted police reports in thick file.

However, unless you break very often, they do not take action on it, but will just write down your car plate number for filing purpose.

QUOTE(rcracer @ Feb 11 2013, 04:26 PM)
cannot unweld the IR leds only and put into holder and leave on the dashboard while the circuit board put elsewhere
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Best is just use the whole-board as it is. Unsoldering components may burn it.
Just route the battery wire (longer) to somewhere else.

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any idea if the top/bottom right corners of the front windscreen would be a good place to position the transmitter?

planning to place it there masked with some black tint/decal sticker... anybody tried any of these combo yet?

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QUOTE(killerfly @ Mar 15 2013, 02:22 PM)
any idea if the top/bottom right corners of the front windscreen would be a good place to position the transmitter?

planning to place it there masked with some black tint/decal sticker... anybody tried any of these combo yet?
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No, centre line location (middle rearview mirror or middle of dashboard) is the best for RF signal-strength.
Cause the antenna is mounted to point middle of the lane, although it will still work if you put at side, but you will notice not so good detection every now and then.

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QUOTE(wei @ Feb 3 2013, 01:59 AM)
Various ready made micro circuit I found online, volt meter reading says 9+V. Actually I've even tried connect direct car supply to it. Still won't detect, press button to check credit and battery all ok. As you can see on the photo there's a black casing where I put the main board, that part is glued to the windshield, right behind the rearview mirror where I have some clear space for it.
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bro wei,

power supply from car still not working? My car already wired the power supply to a recorder at windshield just right behind the rear-view mirror. I wondering if car power supply can be treated like house by split the power (share share) from there. Then i dont need the hassle of pulling another wiring again. And also will be look neat. By the way, mind to share how to get the thingy you used to lower the 12v? I am not a tech-savvy, so have to follow using those already proven working stuff. laugh.gif

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Actually I tried many method, direct pull from fuse box, splice from room lights, with 12v step down to 9v, with 12v step down to 10.5v. All works while test with card reader mode. Meaning the SmartTAG get powered and works. But when passed toll booth, it fail to scan, says no TAG. So i guess there's some other problem. I sticking with the 9V battery. And it's almost a year now biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wei @ Jun 9 2013, 03:16 PM)
Actually I tried many method, direct pull from fuse box, splice from room lights, with 12v step down to 9v, with 12v step down to 10.5v. All works while test with card reader mode. Meaning the SmartTAG get powered and works. But when passed toll booth, it fail to scan, says no TAG. So i guess there's some other problem. I sticking with the 9V battery. And it's almost a year now biggrin.gif
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actually if you cleaned up the casing abit and made a nice battery/card holder...im sure ppl would buy biggrin.gif

lets say...rm250 lol

anyway, thks for the tips and vid..i go try now.

i lost 3 smartags over the last 4 years...damn sick of assholes breaking into my car
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QUOTE(pelams @ Feb 11 2013, 03:54 PM)
u sure they'll report to police? bcoz i accidentally pecut n cucuk rapat behind my dad's car when he pass thru d smart tag. months has passed, n i have yet to receive any summons from d police. n yes, d lane has camera of course. (plaza tol from subang to shah alam)
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yea they def do. I went tru smartag once without beeping because the barrier was up and lane not working. few months later at penang bridge toll, they waved me to 1 side and made me pay, big operasi, alot of truck dirvers kena hundreds of ringgit fine, for me, they accept that it was just a mistake, and i only had to pay the toll, no big deal
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QUOTE(jwrx @ Jun 9 2013, 04:35 PM)
actually if you cleaned up the casing abit and made a nice battery/card holder...im sure ppl would buy  biggrin.gif

lets say...rm250 lol

anyway, thks for the tips and vid..i go try now.

i lost 3 smartags over the last 4 years...damn sick of assholes breaking into my car
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Do you have the SmartTag windscreen holder stickered on your windscreen? hmm.gif

I have the sticker thing but I threw it away. Easy target for thieves, "This guy has the ST holder, surely got ST in the car." *breaks*


And I put my ST in the glove box and/or door compartments, don't think they can see it.
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I put a piece of Velcro on my dashport and the other piece on the smart tag.
Every morning when I go to work I take the smart tag from my side compartment and the Velcro holds it in place.
As soon as I clear the toll I just remove and put it back to my side compartment.
If I don't do this sometimes I forget and this results in some angry drivers behind me during rush hours.
I also don't hang the smart tag holder on the windscreen because it is just telling everyone that I do have a smart tag in my car.
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You guy may look at this in car charger.
http://www.groupme.my/products/deal/Tick%2...paign=GMN130610
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QUOTE(uexpress @ Jun 10 2013, 09:51 AM)
You guy may look at this in car charger.
http://www.groupme.my/products/deal/Tick%2...paign=GMN130610
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Wtf bro Wei and some other member connect to car battery cannot work at toll, but they selling this power supply for smartag. hmm
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Don't understand why some people wants to go through the hassle of modifying it... but whatever makes you happy.
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Is it really so difficult to just keep the ST somewhere else in the car out of view and only take it out when you need to go through the ST lane and keep it back once you're done ? It's like a 10 seconds task.

Some really lazy people I guess.. tongue.gif But i do agree it's fun modifying stuff and the satisfaction when it works. rclxms.gif
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ok since everyone is discussing of concealing the smart tag unit...

what if we can just mod the unit put a switch?

We can just switch it on & off whenever required vice versa.

i have a prob.. when i put a switch on the unit... whenever i switch it to off..it drains the battery...

Can someone help what did i do wrong? Thanks in advance.
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QUOTE(unitron @ Jun 29 2013, 03:32 PM)
Don't understand why some people wants to go through the hassle of modifying it... but whatever makes you happy.
hmm.gif

Is it really so difficult to just keep the ST somewhere else in the car out of view and only take it out when you need to go through the ST lane and keep it back once you're done ? It's like a 10 seconds task.

Some really lazy people I guess..  tongue.gif  But i do agree it's fun modifying stuff and the satisfaction when it works.  rclxms.gif
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how is it lazy when you are hacking up a smart tag? i guess you are the lazy 1 for not hacking your smart tag icon_rolleyes.gif
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Denise,

Thanks for your comments and advices. Sorry for not replying for some time as I was so engaged with my day to day job. Will see if I could revive this old project of mine!
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QUOTE(wei @ Feb 3 2013, 01:43 AM)
Did this middle last year. Tried numerous way to powered by car power, but somehow can't detect when passing the toll, probably the grounding running on the car chassis somehow interfere with the signal.

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Am going to update this mod with lighted screen soon.
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I hate the pseudo banana shape of the current version.. the old school square box is better.. this one always slides away from the dashboard and crashes on to the floormat

So if anyone came up with an alternative housing for the smart tag I'd buy one!

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Smart Tag concealed icon_rolleyes.gif

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So far no issues with signal... sweat.gif
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Smart Tag concealed  icon_rolleyes.gif

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So far no issues with signal...  sweat.gif
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Wouldn't it be noticeable from the driver and passenger window?
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how is it lazy when you are hacking up a smart tag? i guess you are the lazy 1 for not hacking your smart tag  icon_rolleyes.gif
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laugh.gif because u burn more calories taking it out and hiding it back everytime you need to go through the toll both in the long run..
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Jul 2 2013, 09:38 PM)
Wouldn't it be noticeable from the driver and passenger window?
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No icon_rolleyes.gif

People walking by at the sides won't notice..unless the person is short, then only *maybe* can see lah laugh.gif

My tint is also borderline JPJ specs rolleyes.gif
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what about new model smart tag, can mod?
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I was using the new smart tag now.. Very small n thin..
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I just randomly use the anti-slip mat that usually can be found in car market, and place my Smart Tag there.

When going pass the toll, i do not need to stretch my arm to drawer to take my Smart Tag.

ONE THING I NEED TO REMIND :

DO NOT PUT YOUR SMART TAG THERE WHEN YOU PARK YOUR CAR AT PUBLIC CAR PARK, AND UNDER STRONG SUNLIGHT.
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Wow.I thought only me thinking this kind of mod.Looks like we are sailing on the same boat.I bought new IR LED's and tap it to the circuit via parallel connection.But the MOD failed coz didn't worked at the toll.I think the small squares are the receivers.Need to look on that.Doing some research.

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But why there are 6 IR transmitters while mine just 4 only.Is this new model?
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Hi any of the PRO over here ,


just wonder is there any possible way to find the TECHNICAL SPEC for both TNG CARD and also the SMRT TAG iof the internal spec ?


reasons is simple , as i was trying to do a small project , but then i unable to find the internal technical hardware SPEC of the documentation ,


so since pass by over here , so wonder is there anyone do know where to get the documentation of it ?



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Can this ETC for Japan work here in Malaysia?

http://www.keicarmania.com/forum/showthread.php?p=98258

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Found this blog

http://hcygrizzly.blogspot.com/2015/01/tea...rttag.html#more
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If u use 3m tint, can't get thru. Must cut out a part, usually resrview mirror to get it to work.
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with all mods of hardwiring ST to the car batteries,

have anyone tried wiring a mid size solar panel to a ST?
Like to charge the ST battery? (of course with a rechargeable battery in the ST)
so a constant low voltage charges the battery over time.
(voltage output will be regulated by the battery)

I have been using a snow bike solar charger wired to my car battery and my battery never dies.
(but who actually leaves the ST on the windscreen anyways laugh.gif )

With all seriousness,
why proton never have thought of incorporating/built-in a ST into their cars.
I mean, its a small chip, probably made in malaysia;
how hard is it to mount in into all proton cars hood/behind the rear view mirror?

Proton will have the market premium/advantage of having a TnG card slot near the coin box with a ST sensor in the dash/hood. How hard can that be? want a sketch?, I don't mind sketching it out..

Prolly somebody will take this idea after posting this on lowyat, but i don't care, it will benefit more people. Take it!
someone here with connection go rub some shoes in proton and pass the message to people in proton R&D..

It will end the madness of people smashing windscreens for a small 2nd hand device worth 50 doh.gif
my 4x4 in got smashed for a non existent ST in the car long ago doh.gif

proton will then have a premium feature that no imports will have.
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QUOTE(springfall @ Jul 19 2015, 11:14 PM)
with all mods of hardwiring ST to the car batteries,

have anyone tried wiring a mid size solar panel to a ST?
Like to charge the ST battery? (of course with a rechargeable battery in the ST)
so a constant low voltage charges the battery over time.
(voltage output will be regulated by the battery)

I have been using a snow bike solar charger wired to my car battery and my battery never dies.
(but who actually leaves the ST on the windscreen anyways  laugh.gif )

With all seriousness,
why proton never have thought of incorporating/built-in a ST into their cars.
I mean, its a small chip, probably made in malaysia;
how hard is it to mount in into all proton cars hood/behind the rear view mirror?

Proton will have the market premium/advantage of having a TnG card slot near the coin box with a ST sensor in the dash/hood. How hard can that be? want a sketch?, I don't mind sketching it out..

Prolly somebody will take this idea after posting this on lowyat, but i don't care, it will benefit more people. Take it!
someone here with connection go rub some shoes in proton and pass the message to people in proton R&D..

It will end the madness of people smashing windscreens for a small 2nd hand device worth 50 doh.gif
my 4x4 in got smashed for a non existent ST in the car long ago doh.gif

proton will then have a premium feature that no imports will have.
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QUOTE(springfall @ Jul 19 2015, 11:14 PM)
with all mods of hardwiring ST to the car batteries,

have anyone tried wiring a mid size solar panel to a ST?
Like to charge the ST battery? (of course with a rechargeable battery in the ST)
so a constant low voltage charges the battery over time.
(voltage output will be regulated by the battery)

I have been using a snow bike solar charger wired to my car battery and my battery never dies.
(but who actually leaves the ST on the windscreen anyways  laugh.gif )

With all seriousness,
why proton never have thought of incorporating/built-in a ST into their cars.
I mean, its a small chip, probably made in malaysia;
how hard is it to mount in into all proton cars hood/behind the rear view mirror?

Proton will have the market premium/advantage of having a TnG card slot near the coin box with a ST sensor in the dash/hood. How hard can that be? want a sketch?, I don't mind sketching it out..

Prolly somebody will take this idea after posting this on lowyat, but i don't care, it will benefit more people. Take it!
someone here with connection go rub some shoes in proton and pass the message to people in proton R&D..

It will end the madness of people smashing windscreens for a small 2nd hand device worth 50 doh.gif
my 4x4 in got smashed for a non existent ST in the car long ago doh.gif

proton will then have a premium feature that no imports will have.
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Should you start apply for engineering / design position there? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(buzdev2 @ Jul 20 2015, 12:40 PM)
Should you start apply for engineering / design position there? tongue.gif
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I'm in construction field leh.. no certs in engineering and design (cannot be hired haha)
and want to focus building my career so I don't mine giving ideas to people to follow up.

But if I happen to have coffee with dr. M maybe i can directly tell him
Im currently overseas and will be back in malaysia soon so
In the future if i meet him/or any higher ups in proton, i will definitely give some ideas to him/them.
or if i get some projects from those toll operators biggrin.gif

previous exp in malaysia is that unless u tell the top management, and they agree,
nothing can be executed. mid tier management will always fight and it goes nowhere.

anyways who ever in lowyat reading the post above and can execute it, cheers.
end the mass misery/fear of smash and buying ST/batteries.

 

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