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post Apr 2 2008, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(blasturanus @ Apr 2 2008, 11:00 PM)
yupe.. u've to stand out from the rest during group projects too nod.gif
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i would say not necessary to stand up or outstanding during the group, but you need to be FIRM and communicate in group. Dont be like my case, where i having hard time to communicate with my colleague as i feel that he has no respect in me and trying to order me to do work most of the time even we are same level and i know his idea mostly go into drain and together kena f*ck.

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post Apr 3 2008, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(christine85 @ Apr 3 2008, 09:27 PM)
i think so too,  tongue.gif cause i never know about this course until the i was recommendation from a teacher when i got my sptm result...  sad.gif done really badly for tat public exam tat time, that makes me dun hav any other choice but to choose this course. Otherwise i'll be applying other courses like pharmacy or medic... but feel relieve after tat because its quite interesting plus it promise both the short and long term benefits smile.gif.....
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Can i know how is the pay for the 3 years program that you mentioned earlier? 3 years for the same amount or will increase or how it work out?
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post Apr 3 2008, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(christine85 @ Apr 3 2008, 10:38 PM)
im not sure... cause i've just went through the first interview.... but the manager said that ur future is determined in the first 5 years, whether u stay as the staff there, or u could become the CEO after tat, based on ur performance.. i dunno whether its true or not, but that is what the geoscientist told us when he came to interview us..
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Future depends on your first 5 years, which mean you have to work like dog and tomorrow never comes for the next 5 years just to see your capability and attitude towards the company, after promote you to something, you still need to work like superdog for day and night. I believe thats what he trying to tell you. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 4 2008, 12:51 AM

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This called creative, their interview will go in these kind of style.
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post Apr 9 2008, 11:18 PM

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O&G industry is very tough industry, not because of the physical environment, but the working environment. You always be at situation where you need to constantly improve yourself, perform, and get better result. It means that, today you can run 1km, but tomorrow you need to run 2km, and everyday keep increase and increase. This is the kind of environment that you need to face and prepare yourself with. This kind of environment will only make you tougher and faster.

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post Apr 10 2008, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Apr 10 2008, 12:30 AM)
i work somewhere in the middle east, field engineer but not in western geco, one of the other services.

As for land operations, there's the "empty quarter" which everyone's talking about now in saudi, russia, middle asia (all the "*stan"s) and maybe the arctic soon...lol

basically, in your early career, like someone used to joke with me, you can imagine SLB like the army, just with better pay...you might even earn more than your manager...lol, but it's not that bad!

The good thing IMHO is that there's a fixed step programme, where they try to accelerate your career, giving you a list of what to achieve and a suggested timeline to do it, so you get promoted based on merit. The faster you finish the requisites, the faster you get promoted & most ppl don't wanna stay in the field for too long. Average time is 36-48 months before you get into office. Fastest I've seen is only 2 years.

Also, the international exposure is great, so far I've made good friends in all the continents & countless nationalities.

But since they are paying you to goto UAE to experience something new, I guess it's best for you to face it positively & then come back and ponder about it.
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From what you said, then their system is very good. But i wondering what is the SLB's company structure running with? I mean pyramid system like hill high hierarchy to climb the ladder or another type of system since they are promoting all their stuffs with their system.
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post Apr 10 2008, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Apr 10 2008, 02:42 AM)
well, the structure's like several pyramids with ladders across them since SLB's made of alot of different services. At certain points of your career, you can get a "choice" to crossover to another division depending on your ability. "Choice" is subjective 'cos sometimes there are business needs which require your set of skills.

There's also a fast-track program for high potential employees, which they classify under a special group & these guys will be given alot of opportunities & all to groom them fast. And also, other career acceleration programs which identifies which area of the business critically needs manpower.

At the lower rungs of the ladder, there'll be alot of focus on technical training, etc and you'll reach a point where you need to go into operations management/R&D/production/sales & marketing/hr/learning centres/finance/hse/other technical roles or just choose to stay on in the field.

Once you've chosen the path you'd like to take, there'll be another pyramid again, and from here, it depends on how competitive/good you are to reach the top.

Anyway, internally, they have something like an interactive flowchart showing all the possible career paths, and you can choose what you would like to do & they'll try to fit it into your career path if possible. [this is in theory, i'm still too young in the company to know if it works]

Also, it functions as a tool to filter out those who don't see themselves suitable for any role and these guys will automatically cross over to other companies, etc.

They try to promote within since this business requires alot of knowledge about the field & our technology before one really knows what's happening.
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It seems quite similar to my current company the SLB structure in which you have the opportunity to learn, explore and experience different field of job function. But my company dont really have the pyramid system, another word, no hierarchy but matrix system. You can explore into another department or division, of course provided you are doing good at your current job at first. Yeah, the business have so much technology, technical and other knowledge involved. It will take a long time to explore them and the world is keep on developing and advancing, seems like the knowledge cannot learn finish.
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post Apr 15 2008, 01:39 AM

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Aiyoh..... even through i'm not from big company like SLB, BH, Halliburton, but i roughly know they provide you food one de lar, you can eat until you die over there, accommodation also included but might be as nice as 5 star hotel. When you back to office, then you eat yourself lar (i guess since not at site). I dont think you wanna stay back at site, you will definitely want to get away from there the moment your off and if i not mistaken, you are not allow to stay at site for doing nothing, you must leave the site.

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post Apr 22 2008, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(crapster @ Apr 22 2008, 08:53 AM)
Guys, i'm supposed to go for this 'offshore medical' soon as I just got an offer. My question is, how different is this 'offshore medical' compared to a normal company medical? Apparently it's gonna be done at KLCC or thereabouts from doctors certified by clients (Shell, Petronas maybe). Also heard that this is where the doctor grabs your balls and gets you to start coughing (gasps)  cry.gif ... is this true?
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Are you high? Why would the doctor want to grab your hairy balls? For fun? LOL

I tell you my experience at Young & Newton doctor and parents (something like that). urine drug test, blah blah blah, come to a point, the doctor ask me do i smoke, yes, how many pack, 1 pack for 2 days, can you stand near the wall (he point his finger), i moved there, can you take off your shirt, i took off my shirt, you pants, my pants off, and also underwear, i pull it down to tell him that i am a normal healthy man, can you turn around, i turned, can you try to cough, i cough, ok that's all, i'm done and leave, it took me about 3~4 hours because there is a lot of tests going on also. I believe there is no point of graping my balls to know whether it is fake or what.

But please make damn sure no weed for atleast 2 weeks to be safe before the appointment. If long term user will surely need more longer time. The drug test of course not only limit to weed only.

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post Apr 22 2008, 11:31 PM

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LOL... I still think there is no need of touching balls, the point of seeing balls is just to make sure you are male, not shemale, or in between. That's my point of view. If a female checker still ok, but a male is a big no no, dont even come near me, my balls will shrink and go back inside biggrin.gif

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post Apr 23 2008, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(pc123 @ Apr 23 2008, 06:16 PM)
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i try to give you a simplify and easy answer to ease your understanding about O&G. But before this, you need to know what is P.E. stand for. Even through you finish study your degree in engineering, what is the difference between you and P.E. , dont ask me, find yourself.

In O&G, you need to work with all kind of ppl, you have no right of choice who to work with whether you like it or not. I would say that is the minimum requirement to join O&G as ppl there do not encourage skin color or racist. Skin color is not the thing for you to worry about, you should worry what type of ppl you are working with, most of the ppl who working on the rig usually is rough neck, hot temper.

Work in O&G is a very tough as you need to be physically fit and mentally fit as well. You might need to work physically for more than 24~36hrs, under the hot sun, cold weather, rough environment (whole body surrounded by metal and oil), and yet you need to do it without any doubt, no room for error, and after all you still need to use your mind to do paper work, reporting and the report need to be professionally presentable in everyday basis whether you got the time or not, you like it or not, you still have to finish it. You need to be communicating with other ppl all the time throughout your on shift or working hour.

That's what i encounter as a field engineer on site (not working in office), not sure about others. But i believe it would be the same or might be even worst than mine. That's all i can tell you.

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post May 21 2008, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ May 21 2008, 11:33 PM)
Petronas is now extensively recruiting to fill up the empty vacancies. they have expand their business all over the world and currently short in loca man power as the veterans had been shifted over seas to handle oversea projects. Still, they are picky, unless you know someone inside whom can recommend you. Preferably HR department. Else you will have to go through the long evaluation.
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There are alot of OnG industries out there. The common ones are upstream and downstreams. Upstreams will fetch a better pay but you'll be playing dirty with mud. It all depends on service company and the position offered. Downstream on the other hand will be a less challenging as most of the work will be on plant. There are other firm which you can venture like design, construction and commissioning. E.g Construct platforms or jackup rigs, or setting up plants or pipelines or even manufacturing goods/tools. Generally everything applies. You will be surprised as most experience people are from roughnecks with highest pmr or spm qualifications. They do lack in education but the years of experience make them different from graduates or literates. If you throw them all the components, they can stack up built and even commence testing and work all by themselves, without the need of refering to all the running procedure manual booklet. Also there are builders and welders which too contribute to the success of rigs. In addition, chefs and catering also plays a major role on providing mouth watering daily cuisine. So basically there are alot of works which the rig requires. and If you don't mind hardship, learning the hard way with sweat and muscle aching work is one way of getting yourself equipped with the knowledge and skills of the future.
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I think you havent see before experienced degree, master holder people. Roughneck doesnt mean low education person, roughneck means he will break your neck if you trying to be stupid with him.

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I doubt that! Do you know what is PtW? Do you know what is procedure? and what is the purpose of it? Without knowing what is the procedure, i 100% sure you cant even step into the plant or platform.

Please do not feed ppl with wrong info.

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post May 24 2008, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(mikhail @ May 23 2008, 11:00 AM)
DST = Drill Stem Testing
TCP = Tubing Conveyed Perforation

Well testing is a pretty good segment, Grade advancement is fastest throughout all the segments but its rough work. You'll be dealing with a lot of radioactive materials, MPFMs (Multi-Phase Flow Meters) etc.

point of hire should be KL, SLB has a head office in KL, there is also SLB-EMC in Cyberjaya, although they take care of the Schlumberger Network (SiNet) worldwide, and bases in Kemaman, Labuan. There are also offices in Miri, but not sure whether that is just SIS or other segments as well.

What your manager said is true, SLB tries to fit employees to the job at hand, so rather than just spending time working at the base on tools and stuff, you're also becoming an all-rounder. Also if there is a shortage of skilled labour abroad, then there are possibilities to do STAs (Short term assignments) abroad.

Your package should be better than Christine's though! smile.gif LOL!

Side note: Another reason why I didn't take the field job is because of the attrition rate for FEs in SLB. 70% of FEs and FSs quit / fired within the first 3 years. Needed something a little more stable, although turning your back on 4.8k USD a month was pretty tough! Plus, rotation at the time was 8-2, 8 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Working 56 days in a row, 18 hour days is not something that I want to do! LOL! Now of course, its much easier, last I heard was 6-3 or 6-4, not so sure.
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I am really curious about the above bold sentence. Why is the rate so high (70%)? Is it the company standard too high? The job too tough? Too dangerous? Or simply the job's expectation of result is too high? Because i also a FE, but in inspection. Yes, for my FE's job, it is crazy and i am consider the boss at site, in-charge or everything but no one under me and only me =_=! Or can say, 1 leg kick ALL, from mob until demob.
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post May 27 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ May 26 2008, 03:02 PM)
longest for me only 30 days, after that go back to base for 4-5 days, do deliverables, then back offshore again for another 25 days, and it goes on...so far, i think it's about 3 months until i get vacations or get to go on training courses.

dario81, you don't try you won't know. i think service companies offer pretty good training if you wanna earn some pretty decent money, and they like ppl w/o much experience & still pretty young as field engineers.

iDk, attrition rate is high because this job is not for everyone. When you work this hard & most of the time sacrificing time with close ones, sometimes you'll think is the money worth it? worse still, if you're based somewhere remote, with not even internet connection/phonecalls so expensive to call home or too dangerous to even go out on your off-days, you'll start thinking again is it worth it? Also, it's not an office job - it's a test of both brains & brawns. Some ppl get exhausted, demotivated, performance goes down, so they either quit or wait to be fired.
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Do you have any experience in drilling operation or any of your friends involving in drilling operation? Or else you are just assuming their nature of work only, no point of talking about it as myself also need to go back submit deliverable, and off to site again or training. So i believe you and i is at the same field but doing different thing. I know how hell the site work can be in terms of physically and mentally, and i am talking about 48hours without sleep here.
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post May 28 2008, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ May 28 2008, 08:29 AM)
I'm doing m/lwd. Just finished a penta combo job with RT geosteering, went for some internal management training & now back on another rig (yes, writing here after my shift on the rig & i am probably like 15 ft away from the rotary table now). Worked in some locations in Latin America & Middle East, attended training in the US, Southeast Asia & Middle East. Currently have experience with about 12 tool families on M/LWD side in the various sizes. Same as you, longest hours without sleep is only 48 hours.

What about you, iDk?

and pinkdalmation, it depends on your contract, IMs only get 48 days vacation, can be rolled over to next year if not taken. ICs get rotations, HCR/HCMs might get rotations depending on local management. Also, although they hire you as FE locally, you could suddenly be IM & posted to another location. Compare the salary & what you wish to learn, operator companies usually treat you better though. Also, ask yourself if you feel suited for the job.

I rejected Shell last time but it was mainly 'cos of the pay & the difference in the position offered where I was hired and then really given.
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So you are at upstream and we are different, i at downstream and in NDT field (i also not sure where am i standing; up or down) I doing pipeline inspection (pigging) for onshore, offshore, platform, plant, or anything that has pipeline included cleaning, commissioning, integrity etc . But my area only limited to all the countries in Asia except Japan; Shell, Chevron, Petronas, PTT (petrol thailand?), PVGC (petrol Vietnam Gas Company), Exxomobile, BP, ...... etc.

How long have you been in the field that you are currently doing?

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post May 29 2008, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(nicole_nic81 @ May 28 2008, 11:50 PM)
when ppl hear about O&G, they will think that .. wow! good money.. but do u know that u need to suffer at the beginning?? offshore work is not for everyone.. unless u've set your mind to the job.. have to give your best concentration (101%).. offshore work is dangerous and u can't afford to make any mistakes.. 1 mistake and u'd be gone/vanish/ban in the industry.. and also ppl can die from the mistake (if u're in the diving field).. u need to work 12 hours a day, stuck at the oil rig/vessel.. no meeting your family, gf/bf/wife/husband and etc.. no social life no clubbing no shopping tongue.gif

yea, petroleum will be gone by the next 20 years or so.. there might be more companies trying to find/look for oil.. hence there's more jobs but it doesn't necessary guarantee that u'd have a job coz many ppl are joining the O&G carer.. it's harder to find for a job nowadays in the O&G industry now *sigh*

Added on May 28, 2008, 11:52 pmso which company are u working for now? smile.gif
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Why do you want to know the answer? If reasonable, i can pm you. Or else i prefer to keep it low and pnc. Unless you looking for ppl to work for you or your company at the site or field, then we can discuss about it privately.
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post May 31 2008, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(pc123 @ May 29 2008, 09:53 PM)
Yeah..tats definitely the life i want icon_idea.gif ..easy,relax,considered less pressure compared to offshorres..as a plus point, higher pay than other deciplines n u juz work in an office.. nod.gif .. hmm.gif no doubt most companies offer up to at least RM4k(plus allowance) for beginners....as beginners shudn`t xpect so much right biggrin.gif ..neway, thz for clearing my doubts for office life..

If i want to go offshore for sum time(shud get sum xperience), then hop back to office life izzit easy to do tat? I heard offshore xperienced seniors wil definite obtain mor $$ bt its rather hard to switch..i hope 2 at least be able to experience da life at rig b4 going for office jobs..Wat r the procedures involved for doin tat? is jumping here n there easy? vry keen on knowing all these things altho i havent start univ life..sry if i ask unwise ques.. laugh.gif
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You dint even enter Uni yet?! And you want to talk about offshore work, want to jump here and there? I would prefer you think about your foundation year first, and finish off your 5 years of degree study, then only think about working world and money. No point to discuss about it, as you are not able to understand or to realize the toughness and determination needed that we are talking about here. It was like talking about you want to be a racing driver and win the first placing, but you dont even know what is car at the first place.

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post Jun 5 2008, 03:24 AM

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Increased 0.78 cents. 40% increased. Prepare for the next coming impact on economic.

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post Jun 25 2008, 08:16 PM

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it is just a job bro, you still need to do your work to feed your stomach.
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post Jun 28 2008, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(plplpl @ Jun 27 2008, 08:24 PM)
Hi guys,

What ever you do, do not join Geoservices! Lousy pay and bonus. Regretted joining them.
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hi, mind to describe some of your statement?
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