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post Jun 28 2008, 09:37 PM


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QUOTE(plplpl @ Jun 28 2008, 06:14 PM)
firstly, i am only a base technician....not offshore mudloggers....so i dunno if offshore pay is better....but i doubt it....mudlogging is the least priority on the oil field....it acts as an insurance only.....income is much less compared with sch, baker, hal....even people on rig look down on us....call us geocircus....

i made the mistake of accepting their offer as a technician....i tot that i could be promoted to engineer after few years....but after i joined...even some colleagues who have more than 15 years are still a technician....maybe u will say position is not so important....but pay also sux....

1st time i joined a company wer my colleague ask me to quit asap.....cos no future.....a colleague 8-10  years working exp there...he can be considered a specialist...his income only 2k plus....and guess his bonus....less than 2 months....including 13th month bonus....so u can imagine....an o&g company paying such low bonus....and some more last year was their record breaking year.....he cant leave cos old liao....so no choice....

haih disappointed....i din expect o&g company to be so bad....currently looking for other jobs....and one more thing....their offshore allowance is less than 100 dollars....will remain the same even after 10 years....so wer is the prospect?....

maybe not company not good.....but mudlogging cant earn a lot in this field.....i heard one day rental of mudlogging unit is only SGD or USD 50k....
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First of all, how long have you been with this company? and how long you have been in this current position?

Your company is a local company or mnc? Who and where is your client? I dont know much about mudlogger but i do know there is a drilling fluid engineer, in which i heard both are the same, and if i not mistaken they are working together with the drilling operation isnt it?

Anyhow if still the same position for more than 5 years, it is no good as i understand, either bad for your career or it is a bad company.

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QUOTE(am_eniey @ Jun 29 2008, 12:20 PM)
I was with Geoservices once, despite being called Geocircus, I also call it GeoTAMBI and GeoNEPAL if you know what i mean...... the most filthy job in any sector, the lowest pay and the most MF career one would find.....avoid GeoTAMBI at all causes....TAMBITAMBITAMBI......MF TAMBI.....You retards who is still with geotambi, do not pretend to your friend that your post is on top of the world, you are actually below the sewer system !


Added on June 29, 2008, 12:27 pmI'm glad that I quit Geoservices, if can, I want to remove the Geoservices portion from inside my head
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Yo, take it slow bro.
From your message, it seems a job to avoid big time. Mind to describe your experience on the geoservices? Either good or bad of it that made you to state the above statement.
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post Jul 7 2008, 09:41 PM


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QUOTE(comat @ Jul 7 2008, 02:17 PM)
Hi All

I'm seeking an advice from those who is work with Baker Atlas,I have been called to attend for a face2face interview on 22nd July 08,may I know what is the interview look like,I mean... is there so many technical questions they ask,what are their expectation,how is the format.ie 3 panel or 1 panel only..

please I do hope that somebody could help me on this.

I dont want to miss this chance. icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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if can be a lot of panel, i last time had 5~6 interviewer interviewed me. But that wasnt BH. Imagine you sitting with 5~6 ppl and all of them asking you question in the same time. rclxub.gif
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post Jul 18 2008, 05:56 AM


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Good day to all,

I would like to know is there anyone currently working in Nigeria, Warri Delta State?
I have been offered a job to work in this country/state as expatriate. But i worrying about the safety of the place, and i dont want to go up to international news that i become one of the captured hostage, or everyday have to worry being shot or bomb while working at site.

I really appreciate for those who had experience working at there especially with their onshore job reply.

Thanks.

(Damn, i really worry about being shoot by AK as i told by my friend who experienced that before while he escorted by his team of mercenaries with heavy fire arm just to cross the street. I rather stay in Malaysia with the low pay and inflation.)

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post Jul 19 2008, 01:05 AM


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QUOTE(kslee79 @ Jul 18 2008, 03:14 PM)
Before even considering that, I would rather advise you to check the validity of that job offer. Call up the company or look up the websites to see if they tally with the vacancy offered. There are lots of oil job scams in Africa, please beware. I have encountered them a few but I managed to sniff out something was amissed before handing out cold cash for visa processing (that's where they trick you). I found out that TotalFinaElf (which was in my case) doesn't have vacancies in Congo, nor even they use any 3rd party recruiting firm/agency. Very fishy... Another famous one is New Caledonian oil jobs agency. It is already infamous...

I think reading this will help a lot of us in this forum: http://www.globaltarget.com/article/1/
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Thanks brother for pointing out this issue. Instead, i already confirmed my offer is a scam too.


Added on July 19, 2008, 1:16 am

BEWARE: Job Offer Scam and Tactic

This happened to me.

The offer is just way to good to be true, the pay they paying me is for people with more than 5 or 10 years experience involving in big project. For people like me, i must be admit to say that i do not desire that kind of pay and do not have that kind of qualification. That is where i started to think, check and ask around. I even went to the Nigeria High Commission in KL to help me to verify the offer, company and agent (verification still in process sweat.gif ). In the end, i surfed around the internet and found out the company is one of the scam company.

But i must say that they are very good in it, they make it so professional in the paper, until i also believe in it. They even called me up for the work and permit procedures (too bad for them, it is my turn to fool them up and down).

I will post up the documents and emails for everyone to refer to and be EXTREME careful for this kind of job offer scam. I do not want people think they are so lucky, so happy they found a very high pay job, but in the end got scammed or cheated for their hard earn money and they dream job go into drain.

One of the reason i so believe in it, because the scam company posted the job in JobStreet.com. I even called up JobStreet to report about this scam and JobStreet told me they have already banned the company. The reason the scam company still can continue their scam on me is because:

1) I applied the job early (i think right after they posted it) and the JobStreet not in time to stop them.
2) The scam company only need your information such as: your contact number, and email address.
3) I did not know what company JobStreet have banned or blacklisted (I never check for that kind of information)

But it is good to know that JobStreet.com do stop or block scam company, just that i think they need to improve their system (The system should be able to delete away the job application that we had applied which involved the blocked or banned scam company, or atleast alert the user to beware about it.)

The website told me the company is one of scam company. Here.


Below is picture of how their scam procedure or process:
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The job application is still in my JobStreet Account until today.

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They will post the job, job description and requirement etc on internet to get people information.

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They will initiate the contact with you to your email address. The first email they contact me for application and interview.

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They will offer the employment letter and contract agreement through email.

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The 3rd party (Agency) will come into picture to start their work permit etc and require money transfer via online.


Below is their very convincing documents and process papers.
1] The Application Form and Interview Question.
Attached File  Interview.pdf ( 61.35k ) Number of downloads: 61


2] The Employment Letter and Contract Agreement for the victim.
Attached File  Employment_Letter__Scam_.pdf ( 526.28k ) Number of downloads: 51

Contract Agreement [scam]

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post Jul 19 2008, 07:38 PM


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Exactly the point, there should not involve the 3rd party. But if you read the employment letter and contract agreement i put up carefully. They gave the reason on employment letter why they need the 3rd party, and the payment amount need to be pay to agency on contract agreement (this is where i straight spot the fishiness).
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QUOTE(slitz @ Aug 18 2008, 07:18 PM)
Yes!! i agree with Ddaniell...I'm working with SLB base in labuan, although ppl said SLB give highest paid for freshie,
but then it is still not enough....The rent here is so damn high, food....everything la....

Beside, SLB only best with their name and reputation...but once u get in, then u will know how 'Best' SLB is....
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Beside those you mentioned, how about the their management and working culture? Top of class and professional or just another endless war at hell going inside?
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post Aug 29 2008, 09:13 PM


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QUOTE(allenultra @ Aug 29 2008, 02:37 PM)
They did joined the oil n gas exhibition in KLCC on March 2008.
They have expertise in deepwater system design, I assume they have great capability in deepwater pipeline.

Met a senior engineer and the HR Manager there.
The HR Manager said they only took 3 engineers on the previous "intake". They do send engineers for training at London.
They looking for high CGPA scorer  sweat.gif
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Yeah, my friend is one of them, worked in London for period of time (consider doing training). But they going to open an office soon (or maybe already open) in Malaysia, KL. They did something with design field or epcc.
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post Sep 5 2008, 08:43 PM


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QUOTE(easypeasy @ Sep 5 2008, 10:16 AM)
Hi guys. Any of you applied for the UMW Oil & Gas 'New Engineer Training Scheme'? I've been to the 1st stage, did some tests, and still waiting for the call for the 2nd interview. Has been 2 weeks now, and the programme is suppose to start in October.
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That's crazy scheme, you will put in probation period for 3 years. After the damn 3 years only they considering of confirm you. For me, it is like a gambling. In these 3 years, if any of the HR, evaluator, senior or supervisor dislike you or have problem with you. Your 3 years of hard work will be scrap.

But again it is just my opinion that, you need to please them all the time for the sake of your confirmation for 3 years. The training period is well too long and you might also only getting the freshie pay in this period of scheme.
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post Sep 6 2008, 09:15 PM


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QUOTE(zeusu @ Sep 6 2008, 12:44 AM)
good experience i think, if you become drilling engineer, the skills are transferrable, just that their pay is well below average man...2k+..I think you get higher in India even!

wonder if their training scheme is like Occidental Petroleum (OXY), where they first put you in the field where they let you work up the ranks yourself - from painter -> roustabout -> roughneck -> derrickman & maybe driller in 2 years, then only go into office.

and after long time as drilling engineer, you can become company man! 3k/day rates on some rigs!

here in middle east, a roughneck easily earns like US$1800/month.
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it is good to think of it for the furtune. But then again, we cannot work and leave our life on land abandon for few years. Hope you know what i mean. Especially those have commitment; loan, parents, brothers to support. For half or 1 year still ok, but then 3 years are crazy. If the company know what they are doing and the pay is adjustable like those permanent stuffs, then it is still ok. I know some companies take advantage of this and purpose give you some dirt cheap pay and yet doing their millions dollar job, have to work as hard as those permanent stuffs with high pay.

I would say the 3 years of observation period or probation period doesnt justify at all. Do not know which fellow think out of this idea.
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post Sep 6 2008, 11:27 PM


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I dont know much about the other company 3 years program thingy. But assume you are in this program, and you are being under probation period. Do you know what is the different between probation stuffs and permanent stuffs? For those who have experience, you most properly know it such as; PA, health care, annual leave, OT, car allowance, car loan and a lot more if you go and explore it.

In fact that i know for those who work offshore or outstation in O&G, 80% of the employee are facing divorce problem.
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post Sep 7 2008, 07:48 PM


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QUOTE(zeusu @ Sep 6 2008, 11:41 PM)
lol, the divorce problem is quite true....seen like some guys with 3 ex-wives in 3 continents, and gotta work just to pay the alimony & get some for their own retirement....very sad.
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woah~~~ serious sh!t?! That's really sad to do and happening in a man's life wei~ That's the story that i heard on an african white male, 3 ex-wives, but never heard of his alimony things.
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post Sep 10 2008, 09:04 PM


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QUOTE(zeusu @ Sep 10 2008, 03:10 AM)
well, Quasar, alot of companies call the same position different names.

But I suppose Shell's Wellsite Engineer should match what you said quite closely. And in other companies, it's what they call Drilling Engineer as well.

Basically, for most of the time, you'll be based offshore on the drilling rig & you'll be kinda like an assistant for the company man (i.e. the guy from the operator side i/c of everything on the rig). You'll be there to assist & oversee all the operations from drilling -> casing -> cementing for all the different hole sizes & then finally perforation & testing i.e. coordinate everything with all the service companies on the rig so you get 0 downtime/lost time incidents if possible and try to complete the well way below the time & costs allocated.

If got downtime, try to find out who's fault, & charge the service company for it. Also, got to keep the crew alive, make sure the rig crew are aware of all the safety issues/hazards, etc.

These kinda positions, you'll normally be based on a certain rig for the whole campaign, working back-to-back with another wellsite engineer (i.e. you get rotations). Some companies also require their Wellsite Engineers to be on production platforms as well for some time, as part of their training.

Also, some companies prefer their Drilling Engineers/Wellsite Engineer to start from the bottom i.e. become the painter -> roustabout -> roughneck -> derrickman -> driller if possible. So, they give you 2 years on the rigs & let you work your own way as high up possible in the chain, then move you to become Drilling Engineer.

So, the good thing here is that you get a good overview of all the operations & will learn what needs to be done & all, which prepares you to be the Company Man (US$2-3000/day rate for the experienced ones).

As for construction engineer, sorry, don't know much about it.
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Good explaination there. But is the management style (or culture) practise by other company or rig? Or it is a must process to go through?
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post Oct 22 2008, 08:24 PM


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QUOTE(williamben @ Oct 22 2008, 01:55 PM)
Hi guys, I need some advice. Halliburton has offered me the position of field engineer (MWD/LWD). The basic pay is a bit lower than what I expected from an O&G company, but then again I'm a fresh graduate. The probation is SIX months long sad.gif

My question is, are there any long term prospects for this position? For example, could anyone give me an estimate on how much a MWD/LWD engineer earns after, lets say 3 years of experience? The reason I'm asking is because I might get an offer from Shell as well, if I'm lucky. They will probably pay better in terms of basic pay, but I won't be going offshore, and I really want to be a specialist with Halliburton. I'm just worried about the long term prospects in terms of pay. If I do get an offer from Shell, then I will have a very hard time deciding between the two tongue.gif Thanks, I hope someone can give me some information
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What position Shell going to offer you? If some trainee program and stuffs, then you gonna listen to me. Pack up your stuffs and go Halliburton to make it your home. If you listen to what i said here, you DEFINITELY making a right choice of your life for entering Halliburton. I bet you with my head.

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post Oct 23 2008, 02:32 AM


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QUOTE(williamben @ Oct 22 2008, 08:40 PM)
Lol, I haven't received the offer letter from Shell yet (I'm being optimistic here), but as far as I know, I'll be an Instrumentation Engineer, which is an on-shore job. Really, are you working in Shell or something? Could you explain why I should go for Halliburton? Thanks a lot for the fast response man biggrin.gif I'm just preparing myself for the possibility that I might get Shell (they will reply within this week), and to me, its one of the biggest decisions of my life.
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Oh... I dare to say that because my friend is doing the exact same position at Hallirburton and i know their rough pay scale, it is AWESOME! Especially when you know a lot and have a lot of certificate, you will be surprise for their daily allowance add up to be like. But again not everyone the same, who knows you screwed up and not able to perform.

Why not Shell, so far from the news i gather from friends or here and there. Shell do not offer high pay for fresh grad compare with other O&G player. So to conclude, after years of experience, then only you try your best to negotiate with Shell for higher price. Instrumentation engineer, if i not mistaken, it is an office work, you have to deal a lot P&ID, and know each of the instrument connections, spec, method for the whole process, i believe it is quite a hectic work.

Trust that the above clarifies.


Added on October 23, 2008, 2:37 am
QUOTE(zeliustitan @ Oct 22 2008, 11:11 PM)
he might be onshore to monitor the well condition in real time... maybe
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I doubt that the job function.

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post Nov 12 2008, 10:59 PM


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QUOTE(cloudstrife07 @ Nov 11 2008, 12:54 PM)
is it true that oil and gas career prefer males than females?what needs to be done and need to be improved in order for a female to succeed in O&G field?

asking on behalf of my gf. she's taking degree in chemical engineering and is nearing graduation so she starts to worry about her career.
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I would recommend her to go refinery or plant or anything got to do with office task. I dare to say that girls CANNOT handle service work like man do. It is not about the hassle environment and physical work. It is about who you are working with. If you want to do service work, the people you deal with most of the time are hot temper people. It doesnt mean they f*ck you for nothing, they just dont like newbie, people ask stupid question or act smart in front of them. For newbie, no matter how smart you are, you will definitely ask stupid question once in your life. This is the time where you see people shout at you in front of everybody, and all the "f" words come out of the mouth or worst physical move. I know it, because i have been through it. It is really difficult to think straight especially at that time, that environment, and the emotion tends to come into play, and it effect everything of you, and you tends to screw up continuously for the rest of the day. This is the time people will ask you to f*ck off.

Another thing about girls is how long they would like to stay mobilize until? One point in their life before 28 or 30, they definitely have think of getting marry and have children. Do you think they can work like that when they are pregnant? Work under hot sun, noise, crazy sweating, crazy long working hour, chasing time, etc etc... Atleast for my work, and from what i see, girls are totally not suitable to do the job.

The reason people still want to hire girls is because without girls, the working place can become hell boring, need girls to handle tedious works like documentation, coordination, communication etc.. Another thing is that girls cannot handle stress, it is very bad for their health and emotion.


Added on November 12, 2008, 11:13 pm
QUOTE(mfharun @ Nov 10 2008, 08:33 PM)
guys, next year Jan, i'll be having my industrial training. So far 3 companies had approached me. It is my dream to work with oil and gas company, offshore especially. But, the company approached me seems to be not well related to offshore based.

1. Bureau Veritas (BV). The office is at Dayabumi, they offer me 500/month and 60/day if i go to site (river, factory). The problem is, this company business is mainly on SHE assesment. They provide certification for a company to passes the SHE requirement. If not, they will consult the company on how to pass the assesment. As i know, BV do sent their people to offshore just to assest the rig. But, if i work with BV, maybe the chance for me to be a petroleum engineer is so little as my experiences will be only regarding SHE instead of piping or any skills required for a petroleum engineer. They absolutely won't sent me to offshore in my training period.

2. Malakoff. They offer me RM 700/month. This is not an oil and gas company, it is an energy generator company.IPP. (INDEPENDENT POWER PROVIDER). I don't have any idea about the plant. what i know is they produce electricity from coal. My plant will be at Pontian, Johor.

3. Sedia Teguh. This company is a representative for company which manufacture equipment used in O&G industry. Such as control, mass transfer things. When i asked the officer there, thiis is what they tell me ..
"You will learn from application, sizing/selection as well as the business aspect of it: generating proposal/specification". Doesn't it seems like i'm going to be a sales engineer? Allowance : RM 500/month.

My question is : which company that i should join for my industrial training? For the sake of my dream to be in offshore (O&G) industry.
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Go for the company that do project such as PDMS or related. There is where you will learn the most. From what i understand, not every company will send intern out to offshore platform. You need to know your stuffs and know what you are doing only allow to go platform. Platform is a place for people to work, not learning. And it is a long process to go offshore, you need to have BOSIET, safety passport, training course or class etc. So it is very unlikely to send intern to platform.

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QUOTE(Xcat @ Nov 13 2008, 08:55 PM)
Dear Guys,

I really need some advice , and it has to be As soon as possible. I am about to make a career changing move that will shape my future. I am an Operations Engineer(aka Rig Engineer) in a drilling contractor company . I will be also be based in Jakarta (indonesia) My clients includes Hess and Chevron. Right now Hess. However , I have received another offer as a Project engineer in a Sime-Darby joint venture company (really new just 2 years old) which will be doing platform installation , they have a project in Qatar , initially i will be based here in Malaysia and maybe in the future will be in Qatar and offshore. Pay wise , my current job requires me to be permanently posted as an expat in Indonesia and is the same to the project engineer job offer that i recieved. However both are in totally different scope since 1 is in drilling the other is in EPCIC. So my question is which of these job offers a brighter future ? My pre sent company is small all though wellknown in the industry. However the offer is from a new company but gives me exposure in middle east in the future.

So please give me your opinion and i hope it would be a clear points . Referring to your own personal prefference (ie if you were me)
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Project engineer basically deal with everything about your project, from tip to toe, every single issue is your issue. I was project engineer before for EPC, which does not require me to go to site. I learned a lot from it; design, contract, shipping, procurement, all standard codes, communication with client and vendor or supplier. But this position's pay is peanut small, because i dont go site. I not sure what is rig engineer's job nature. But i got the feeling that it is better than project engineer in pay wise.
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QUOTE(crapster @ Nov 14 2008, 09:39 PM)
Kim C,

You sound pretty familiar with Technip's work. But you are wrong, majority of Technip engineers here in KL stay in the office. Safety engineers included. They are first and foremost a consultancy company, construction/fabrication etc are sub-contracted out usually to the likes of MMHE. It's only with abit of experience, usually after more than a year if you are lucky, that you get to go to site for a LITTLE visit. Even have guys with 2 years experience or more who have NEVER been out of the office, no site-visits, no nothing.

You said 'what on earth does a safety engineer need to do in the office'. Let me tell you what they do at Technip. As consultants, they prepare documents for design projects (FEED, Basic Engineering phases etc), liaise with other departments to understand their needs for a safety system (insulation for hot pipings, proper PPE location for confined zones or H2S prone areas, etc) and also chair safety meetings based on P&IDs prepared by Process Engineers. As you can see, these are ALL OFFICE BASED work.

If you are thinking about how come I'm so sure of all these, I was ex-Technip.
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spotted on. That's why i quit my ex-job as project engineer for fired heater. The job nature all about O&G technical knowledge, but never go to site, all are based in office and give commands and order to ppl at site to do the work. I dont know what kind of job is that as an engineer of my own "baby" i never get to see my own "baby" in real and actual. All things that i know is based on people's report and picture. Just like you said, EPC, EPCIC, EPCC, are just some consultant company (who will never go site, even have also just for MOM, that's all).
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As far as i heard, the statistic of diver died each year is 3 out of 10, which mean out of 10 only 7 survive at the end of the year. Another thing is that you need to be very fit to become a commercial diver. There is no insurance policy for this profession, and you will sign the "letter of death" or "surat mati" before you do the job. This profession only can be done when you are young or until certain age. After that, you are out.

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QUOTE(destroyer @ Dec 29 2008, 03:08 AM)
yeah... that's what i'm planning to do. take the risk and take the money. coz want to raise my own money to start my own business.

about the guys who do the maintainance on the platform/rig , normally, how much were they paid?
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Seriously, you are making it sounds like some McD part-time job, get in and get out. It is not as easy as you look at it. I simply ask you a very easy question, what is the requirement to be a diver, and what it needs to take for you to become a commercial diver?


Added on December 31, 2008, 2:38 am
QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 29 2008, 03:16 AM)
To be frank, pressurized and depressurized under deep sea diving is plain hazardous to the body. Rumor has it, some don't even live long, while others suffer from the side effects, e.g brain damage. Well its all rumours. Nevertheless, Its not something I would wish to gamble for. Lots of deadly creature lurking in the sea. Rather venture to RV.
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Under deep water pressure, you need to adjust your body to use the high concentration of N2 of oxygen. This is where thing get nasty, you can get high from this air supply. In the end, you will see some one chase after fishes or worst cut themselves with knife under water.

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