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post Dec 1 2007, 09:14 PM

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For those who working in O&G industrial. Can i ask why the company pay you guys in USD? Is there something need to look at (like location of work) to determine the currency? Because i know some O&G company in Malaysia doing offshore work still paying in RM. I very confuse with this matter. Can anyone of you guys enlighten me? Thanks in advance smile.gif
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post Dec 2 2007, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(gatevalve @ Dec 2 2007, 05:33 AM)
that is simple answer my friend."cut cost."another thing is no union or government interference in in this matter.my kolik from brazil told me when they worke in brazil they have a standard pay.malaysia forget bout it.also location of your rig.outside malaysia you will get usd otherwise do not take the job.some company will pay u according the area you live.normally american and french will get the highest pay.lowest...i  would say african.
imagine oiler/motorman is getting usd450 only (applicable to indian national) and malaysian oiler is getting ALMOST three times bigger than that.
remember you need " luck and timing" to get the big bucks.
hope this helps.
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Thanks brother. But if the company that i am talking about is doing services for O&G industrial like cleaning and inspection stuffs, which mean the company is not the main oil driller or manufacturer. Are the standard pay still be the same as you stated above?

Because the workers will also go to onshore to do project in other asia countries for extended period of time and get their pay in RM. Is that an appropriate standard?

~Thanks~

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post Dec 22 2007, 02:12 AM

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Mechanical Engineer usually dealing with manufacturing, production, maintenance, facilities, equipment or anything got to do with physical. Basically anything except computer language programming, circuit board design etc, mechanical engineer can jump in. But i warn you, it is not as fun as you think to do mechanical engineering thing, especially when come to machineries, all the boys (including me) will start to think engine, turbo, stuffs like that. in the end, you will no way near those things that you think it is fun at the first place. Mechanical engineering is very strong on their physic, materials, force, fluid mechanics, dynamic force, thermodynamic, energy calculation, production calculation. So lets say you are at production field in essambly department, the ppl usually will just throw at you the productions' problems, you yourself got to go and figure it out the root cause of problem, correction solution provided and every single thing that you talk need to backup with facts, data, and results. Basically, you need to do every single things, from the start until the end with the exactly estimated answer. If anything gone wrong in between, your arse will be the one they going after. So you can imagine, if you at the field where you not familiar with or have never encounter before like oil rig, air plane, or marine ship. Every single time before you open up your mouth to talk or suggest, you better think deep deep in your head with the support of your engineering knowledge and calculation. Or else..... hihi

I hope you guys understand what is mechanical engineering like even through i only as a production engineer in the company that manufacture small and highly precise product. You have no idea that the one small thing can bring you so many headache. So imagine the thing that you dealing with cost a lot of money like millions.
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post Dec 23 2007, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(Myclamyra @ Dec 22 2007, 10:45 AM)
Apologies, my bad... I'm in upstream, and I can't remember any chem science degree holders here. We do have chemists, but those are usually diploma holders only. Maybe someone in downstream could advise.

As for the comment on mech eng, yes, in general they have about the right foundation subjects to work in O&G and are very flexible. In operations, they can fit into facilities/production eng, material/corrosion control eng, rotating equipment eng... if in projects, they can be structural eng, piping eng, and also rotating equipment eng... a little bit of training would allow them to go into reservoir management since they already have fluid dyn.

Remember, the degree is more of a key to get in. Once you're in, it's the people management and troubleshooting skills that will bring you further.

Important point by iDk is that most of the engineers hired in multinationals do not 'invent' things, rather 'engineer' things to keep things under control and running, usually by troubleshooting an existing set of products/equipment. When we 'design' a facility, it actually means sizing the equipment needed to run the facility safely and buy componenets from the manufacturers, kinda like Williams building their formula 1 car. If you want to make new products that serve O&G, then you probably need to join the vendor companies supporting the O&G industries. Sadly, the vendor companies in M'sia are usually agents for foreign companies, and engineers serving them are usually support/maintenance engineers, not design engineers. I can count with my fingers how many 'original' M'sian O&G product companies that design and make their own products.
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Design something out usually is not malaysian engineer job, i believe we dont really have the qualification to do that. Most of the time, the design or R&D parts are carried out by foreign engineer from the other side of the world. But sometimes, i still find out that their designs are not actually perfect, in deed got quite a lot need to be improve. That's why we are need to give them back the feedback of their equipment and they will send back an improved one. But there is also sometimes they just ignore your complain and we need to modify things ourself. sweat.gif
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post Dec 24 2007, 10:41 PM

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But i believe Malaysian is already able to do their own design and productions as there are a lot of talented Malaysian out there. The problem is that, they most properly will not stay at Malaysia and those big company have already put a hand on them. So the money is still the issue here at the end tongue.gif

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post Dec 25 2007, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(farizuan @ Dec 25 2007, 08:41 AM)
I'm PETRONAS scholar.just finish my study,currently waiting for my final exam result.people at KLCC already contact me.starting salary for engineer is RM2510.If work as Petroleum@Drilling ENgineer RM3500.Allowance is RM30/day at platform.This is consider very low compare to Service Company(Like SCOMI,SCHLUMBERGER,OPTIMAL) coz i heard they earn RM300/day for allowance.But PETRONAS is very good since it is the CLient.not much work to do and you can enjoy the salary that u earn.what point if your salary RM6000/m if u have to work hard since morning till night and no time to spend money that u earn.both have pros and cos i think.. nod.gif
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ask yourself, where in this world you get high pay and yet doing easy work and go back early?
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post Dec 25 2007, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(farizuan @ Dec 25 2007, 06:24 PM)
As my senior said,at PETRONAS there will be not much stress compare with when u work with service company.If u work at KLCC u even can punch in at 8 am and return home at 6pm.  whistling.gif  but for sure it will not benifitial to your own future..
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That's why Petronas is not growing as fast as the other o&g company, that's the place for ppl to grow old and fat until retired. I hope you get what i mean. 8~6pm already very late? How about 8am~1am continuosly for a week or 2?
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post Dec 28 2007, 09:25 PM

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so.... you are at which one? mwd or lwd tongue.gif
Recently i just found out my secondary school mate now working for Halliburton in their LWD team, currently at china now. He told me that about 2 years back when i still dont know what is that company about.

I'm curious to know that MWD engineer is from mech. engineering background or some other engineering field? Do they need to attend certain course or must have certain certificate to be able to do that job?
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post Dec 29 2007, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ezra @ Dec 29 2007, 06:23 PM)
Well, if it's Halliburton, you've missed the boat. They were recruiting a month or two ago, for MWD/LWD Field Engineers. Requirements include a degree in Geophysics or Petro Engineering and equivalent. (Hint, hint) smile.gif And Baker Hughes was recruiting too, on the same day in the same Classifieds.

I'm not too sure abut the special skills etc., but training is usually provided.

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Ezra looks like u r already experience in this field shakehead.gif
And your point is?

I'm not yet at the level where I can call myself experienced, so I'm just sharing what I know. What I can tell lah, of course.
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thanks brother for telling me about the recruiting. Well, when come to these international company, i always got the feeling that i cannot get it. It is not i dont want to try, because most of the time even before call for interview, i will be filter out just because of my qualification (lower pointer here). I prefer to be realistic, down to earth and start from somewhere there is possible for me to join in, like a service company, after a certain amount of experience, then only i think of these big company. Currently applying for a pipeline service company, now under their medical examination, for me which is a very tight examination, urine drug test, ecg stuffs like that.
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post Jan 9 2008, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(zeusu @ Jan 8 2008, 01:40 PM)
it's not based on your home country, based on the location you're sent to e.g. you're sent to latin america, then you'll be in Houston for training, etc, but there's always exceptions since the school in Houston could be fully booked and you have to goto Abu Dhabi & vice versa.


Added on January 8, 2008, 1:47 pm

i almost became a pipeline engineer but rejected it in the end. Mind telling us more about it? Like what the job entails, challenges, pros, cons, etc?
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your pipeline engineer is what job scope they offering you? Design or service?
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post Jan 9 2008, 07:25 AM

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Need to go for the MSTS training next week, HUET, EBS and some other things also. Can those experienced worker mind share some tips on this training? Is this training hard?
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post Jan 9 2008, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(speedfamgirl @ Jan 9 2008, 01:52 PM)
muhahahaha!

be prepared to swallow a lot of water using the EBS shit! nod.gif

bleh, me myself the safety training will expire on next june.
now feel so malas to renew my medical check up
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wah... you putting a curse a me ah? But you sure or not? as my fren told me that EBS help a lot in underwater le yawn.gif hahaha, hope that it is not hard for me, as i used to play power mask diving in the sea tongue.gif LoL, the medical check-up is really the mafan part, it takes quite long time for me to finish everything, 11~1pm. Take off shirt, wear back shirt, take off again, wear back again, and again sweat.gif Some told me that their medical check up took up to 6 hours.


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QUOTE(forrest @ Jan 9 2008, 10:04 AM)
please read front page, i think around page 6-8

HUET is the most challenging part, others training such as fire drill, sea survival training, and escape from dark (smoke) room is not difficult.
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HUET at CONSIST:
1) straight ditch and escapes from the helicopter module
2) capsize and escape without doors and windows
3) capsize and escape with doors and windows fitted


I heard that the BOSET at SMTC, Miri is more difficult, they have the wave generator to make 1m artificial sea wave.



some told me that huet is:
1) dip half of mold-up chopper into water.
2) dip full chopper into water
3) dip full and turn the chopper upside down.

that is what confused me.

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post Jan 10 2008, 01:27 AM

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some say the static of divorce in O&G is 80%. smile.gif
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post Jan 11 2008, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(speedfamgirl @ Jan 11 2008, 09:17 AM)
hah you notty forrest tongue.gif

in case of divorce...no la...they 'makin jauh makin sayang'
but for sure these offshore men is productive, every year expecting new offspring biggrin.gif
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sweat.gif another word is horny?
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post Jan 12 2008, 04:06 AM

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QUOTE(Ezra @ Jan 11 2008, 07:52 PM)
Just got my confirmation to join Big Red as a MWD/LWD Engineer today, going to be based in kl/miri.  rclxms.gif

Still considering it tho, since the basic salary is way lower than what I'd expected. For a fresh grad/new entrants, the basic pay is slightly lower than that of a fresh grad PETRONAS engineer.

I always assumed that service companies give more basic salary than that of operators, but guess I'm mistaken this time. Their HR assured me that the total monthly pay (basic + offshore allowance) will be much more than that, but I dunno. Can someone give me advice on this?

Decisions, decisions. Chances like this don't come often, I know. But somehow the basic pay issue doesn't sit well with me.  hmm.gif
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they pay in what currency? what is the basic? what is the lowest allowance and highest allowance like?


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QUOTE(speedfamgirl @ Jan 11 2008, 09:19 PM)
more or less....

nope, they 'kegersangan' actually tongue.gif
that's why la so easy to make their feel horny brows.gif
once there was a joke, the father came home....looking nothing else but for the wife. although the children is there waiting for hug & kisses, but in the end "where's mom?" while hands pushing the children away.
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hihi.... maybe after that at mid night, he still got another flight to catch, so making child became the first priority task for him while at home tongue.gif

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post Jan 16 2008, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(speedfamgirl @ Jan 12 2008, 08:05 PM)
i thought that "safety is the first priority"? ohmy.gif
wink.gif  muhahahaa.....
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Maybe he still practicing the old culture, work-done-come-first basis.


Just finished my BOSIET at MSTS. At the training, quite a lot of middle~old age men (most of them are auto-pilot welder) attended the training also. But, i quite doubt that they understand much about the training, as some of them have the dont-understand-and-who-give-a-f*ck attitude. But for all, friend told me that once you saw them working on the rig, you better run far far away from them.


Is the BOSIET also class into 3 group? Basic, tropical and cool water BOSIET? Or all are just the same BOSIET.
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post Jan 19 2008, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(Ezra @ Jan 18 2008, 10:12 AM)
I can't say about the amount, but it's in RM. I'm going to be based in KL/Miri after all. Offshore allowance, well, I don't have the figures. An employee inside told me it's at least 6x what I'm getting now, so it's all good biggrin.gif
Shhhhhh!
Yeah, you're correct. To be honest, it is now or never, as they don't recruit regularly. And they seem to be picky since they rather hold 2nd round recruitment than just hire the numbers they need from 1st round. So I'm gonna close my eyes and take the plunge.
No idea. The cert is written as just BOSET, don't have weather classification also.
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That's weird, I though they already include the allowance table inside your employment letter? 6x of what you earning now is you work full one month offshore to get that figure or what?

The BOSIET as i know, they class them according to few types, so far i heard of typical water and cold water, the hardest should be cold water i guess as you know that cold water survive is different and the only place that i know is North Sea (They claimed there is the most dangerous rig to work).
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post Jan 19 2008, 03:36 AM

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ohh... is it call that way? bosiet, bosiet-t or bosiet-c? I just know the existance of them, not sure the actual name.
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post Jan 19 2008, 04:38 AM

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Another thing is the H2S awareness training and confine space training, is that a must have procedure to work at certain area of the rig? or it is just for the worker's own safety interest?
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post Jan 21 2008, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(feizalz @ Jan 19 2008, 05:40 PM)
H2S training is only needed at certain platform where the gas exist. As for confine space, I think it is included in the normal safety offshore training.
Correct me if I'm wrong.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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erm.... my bosiet does not include confine space training. Anyway, the H2S is too scary to listen to, and also the black sand (mercury in another form or something like that).

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