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post Dec 27 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 13 2012, 07:27 PM)
Must be ornate. Bought mine 7-8' @RM90.
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Hey, bro. Whr you buy ur ornate? Currently looking for it. All also selling rm100 over. Swt.


Added on December 27, 2012, 11:38 am
QUOTE(khairulanuar @ Dec 4 2012, 02:21 PM)
The price still can nego...YEAR END SALES smile.gif
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Stil gt bichirs?!


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post Dec 27 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 27 2012, 12:07 PM)
From a LFS here in Kota Bharu. Cindy's the owner, well-known already among local aquarists. But very far from u la.. Last time i bought mine they still have a smaller one @ rm75.

Good luck
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Tey hav delivery?
Btw, share some tips on hw u care ur bichir lk, hw many times water change, wats their diet, bla3. Me newbie o. My ansorgii n endli refuse eating pellets(massivore delite) haiz. And tey easily sked wen i on/off light or even a slight movement. Tey kip stuck at a corner. Any idea wats happening?
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post Dec 27 2012, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 27 2012, 01:26 PM)
I perform a weekly WC, sometimes every other week, even once in 3 weeks, when i got nasty to-dos.

Its normal for bichirs to refuse pellets, if they're used with live foods. Maybe u have to pellet-train them a while. Me i just enjoy giving them live foods.

Theyre nocturnal, so they might be passive during daytime. And also the feel secure in dark places. If u want to enjoy them, u probably have to turn off room light and keep on the tank's light. That way they wont notice ur presence icon_rolleyes.gif
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If let the bichirs poops stay in water, without vaccuming it out, wil it affect the water?
U feed small fish or shrimp? The prob is tey sked even the the tank light is on nia. (just bought the ansorgii last 2 week) nt yet adapt to the tank yet
perhaps? @@
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post Dec 27 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 27 2012, 03:05 PM)
Only small fish. Also they feed on leftover crickets & superworms.

They need to feel secure, hiding spots are most welcomed. Its okay give them more time.
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Hw is the superworm? Cn you post a pic? @@
Two weeks d worr, stil nt ut adapt. Swt.
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post Dec 27 2012, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 27 2012, 05:05 PM)
Superworm (SW)

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So biggg. Small poly cn eat arrr?
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post Dec 28 2012, 12:31 PM

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Anybody here knows wat to feed baby ornate(5 cm only)??? Helpppp.
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post Dec 28 2012, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Dec 28 2012, 02:41 PM)
can try with
1)feeder shrimp(ghost shrimp), if you only have 1 ornate, then dont put too many ghost shrimp as they will attack the fins of your ornate, keep those shrimp at another tank and feed some to your ornate everyday.
2)market prawn(cut to very small pieces) 
3)small feeder fish(better quarantine first or get from reliable source)
4)cut those pellet to small size, provided your ornate eat pellets or maybe is the time to train them if you want

I used to feed these to my 2 inch ornates.
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I want to train thm eating pellets though. I break massivore into pieces n feed thm cn? I hav 2 endli, 1 ansorgii and 1 albono senegal in the same tank.
My new ornate kip swimming against the aquarium wall lk trying to find a way out. Swt. Why?
Wat clour lighting do u use for ur ornate?

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post Dec 29 2012, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Dec 28 2012, 04:43 PM)
If you want to train them to eat pellets, then feed only pellet until they take pellets. I just break the massivore pellets into small pieces and feed them, after around 15-20 minutes, will scoop up those uneaten pellets. It is not hard to train them to take pellets, especially when they are young.

The ornate is like that, more active if compare with the endli/ansorgii..the senegal should be quite active to swim around also.

I just use white color lighting for viewing purpose as myself prefer white light, just a personal choice. Some others prefer puprle/red lighting.


Added on December 28, 2012, 4:52 pmby the way, if you feel that hikari massivore is too expensive, you can try hikari cichlid gold sinking pellets, smaller in size and cheaper. My bichirs like pthem too and easier for me to feed those medium size bichir as I no need to break the massivore. However, for those tiny bichirs like 2 ~ 4 inches, you have to break them too.
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My ansorgii, endli n senegal eating pellets. Bt my ornatr is nt eating! Emo at a corner thr. (jz gt him today). Swt.
The uneaten pellets mz be removed ot can be left thr???? Cz everytime i wan remove the uneaten pellets, all my bichirs wil get sked n swim lk mad. == i hate tis. Any way to make thm nt sked?
Yeaaa, massivore is damn expensiv! U bought for hw much?? U tried tetra monster pellet before? I cant get it anywhr here. Wic pellets cn make the bichir grow fastest?
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post Dec 29 2012, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Dec 29 2012, 01:27 AM)
ur ornate is still new to environment..give it some times to settle down..sooner or later it will take pellets..dont worry..the uneaten pellets better remove if possible as they are the source of ammonia also..which will effect your water parameters.

Normally if there is one bichir start to go frenzy and move here and there, others bichirs will act so also. Just give them so times, they will become more stable after they settle down. My bichirs sometimes will go frenzy mode also, but less frequent if compare with the time I first keeping them.

I cant remember I bought for how much for the massivore as I long time din buy it already. Curretly I using cichlid gold sinking pellets to feed them. I did not try before on the tetra monster pellet. You can feed more variety food to pump them up, market prawn/super worm/ frog are some food that can bulk them up. Just feed more variety food to them will do.

By the way, different species of bichir has different grow rate and max length. Even the same species of bichir, the grow rate also depends on individual. In your case, the endli should be grow the fastest if you feed them well.
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Kk. Thn u buy the chchilid gold for hw mucH? Anyways, you saw before whr gt sell tetra monster pellet?
U gt use air pump for ur tank? Using wat filter? Hang on? The fish watse mz sucked out ma? Or leave it innthe tank? Lol.
Whr u buy ur bichirs? Wanna add my collections.
And wil my senegal n endli eat my ornate? Cz ornate jz 5cm.swt.


Added on December 29, 2012, 2:44 amU gt any way to eliminate the smelly of the stinky water? Cz everytime after i feed massivore, sure the smell very strong d. @@


Added on December 29, 2012, 12:35 pm
QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Dec 28 2012, 04:14 PM)
Or bloodworm
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Or pellets
Saki Hikari Growth
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Quality Pellets are more expensive but cleaner and safer.
This Saki is 20kg.
LFS usually selling rm44/500g if not mistaken. Better buy 20kg. Cheaper.
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The saki hikari for koi or bichir wor? Whr to get 1? I dun see any in my lfs.

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post Dec 29 2012, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Dec 29 2012, 02:27 PM)
The cichlid gold I bought for RM26 for big packet(if not mistaken is 342gram)..price might vary for different locations. I not sure where got sell tetra monster pellet as I didnt intent to find for it. I using sump tank for my 5ft tank while another 3ft&2.5ft tank I using top filter. The fish waste suppose to go into ur filter and will stuck at those filter sponge(mechanical filtration), where you need to wash/change the filter sponge every certain periods. If the fish waste is not suck into filter, that means your tank might got some dead spot where the fish waste is stuck at those dead spot or maybe your filter not providing good/enough flows or some other reasons. In such conditions, you can just manually remove those fish waste. The main purpose to remove those fish waste or uneaten food, is to minimize the ammonia produced by them. As long as your tank has a very good biological filtration, then everything is fine.

How big is your senegal/endli? There will has a risk that the ornate eaten by tankmates if the tankmates is much larger than the ornate. Just make sure they all are well feed.

The massivore indeed produce very strong smell(one of the reason I stop using it), normally after feeding, the smells will be there for a period then only disappear, just make sure you dont over feed and your biological filtration is good. The cichlid gold got some smell also but not as strong as massivore. Normally the smell disappear in short period.

I bought my bichirs from lfs at my place. You can find bichirs easily in our local lfs for those common type, for those rare type, you might need to find some online fish seller as sometimes they do carry in some rare bichirs.
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Wat is sump filter? Me newbie. Haha. Massivore n cichilid gold provide same growth rate to fish arr?
Hang on filter provide biological filter or nt? @@
My senegal/endli is 15 cm. 0.0
Eh, ur lfs thr gt sell war type of bichirs? And do you mind tell the price? Hehe.


Added on December 29, 2012, 3:17 pmAny1 here know whr to get tetra monster pellets???

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post Dec 30 2012, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 29 2012, 10:45 PM)
Ur dragon looks fat and healthy. He's lucky to have a good owner.

Poor my fishes i feel like dont hv much time for them now, not as i used to have. Hope things will change later.
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Ur dragon so fattt? *envy* any tips to make thm lidattt?
Hw u put the tiles in ur aquqrium wor?


Added on December 30, 2012, 1:03 am
QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Dec 29 2012, 09:28 PM)
Boys!
I just got my moke and Teugelsi tonight!
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Frm who u bought??? And hw much??? Was looking for tat too.
Btw, send fren request to u a long time in fb le. Bt no accept. A black dog pic ryte?

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post Dec 30 2012, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 30 2012, 09:23 AM)
I fed them mainly on small live fishes. Sometimes both of them can finish 10-20 fishes in just one night  nod.gif

About tiles, u can refer to post #106 on this page http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2550437/+100, and post #123 on this page http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2550437/+120.

Good luck  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Means no pellet at all? Gt feed live shrimp?
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post Dec 30 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(antzz @ Dec 30 2012, 11:15 AM)
Its hard to get live shrimps here, so i stick to fishes. I do give them pellets as well, if live foods come short in supply. But they wouldnt like it much. And also, uve to give more effort to maintain water quality by feeding pellets regularly. This is the one i gave them (just occasionally) :

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Its Hikari Massivore Delite 1kg pack @rm120.
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Gt smaller pack de ma?
Cn gv mr ur fb link? WNna add. hehe.
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post Jan 1 2013, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Dec 31 2012, 08:22 AM)
you can google sump tank for more information as there are many websites that described how a sump tank function.

Hang on filter do provide biological filtration if you are using the correct filter material like ceramic ring/bio-home and etc. You can google more on those filtration that I mentioned before(mechanical/biological/chemical).

Below are the contents of the massivore and cichild gold contents that I found from Hikari website,

Hikari Massivore Delite Pellets:
Crude Protein Crude Fat      Crude Fiber  Moisture      Crude Ash Phosphorus
min. 47%          min. 5.0%  max. 3.0%  max. 10%    max. 17% min.1.0%

Hikari Cichlid Gold Sinking
Crude Protein Crude Fat      Crude Fiber    Moisture      Crude Ash Phosphorus
  min. 40%          min. 7.0%        max. 4.0%    max. 10% max. 15% min.1.0%

From the contents of both of them, massivore will better for the growth rate as it has higher protein than the cichild. Cichlid gold will be good for the growth rate of the fish too, so the choice is at your own, as for me, both are good.

Just make sure your tanks of bichirs are always well feed, then should be ok.

my lfs normally sell those common bichirs like senegal(4.50~9),albino senegal(5~9), endli(15~35), ornate(35~46),  delhezi(18~35), these few types are normally can be found in my lfs, there are more can be species can be find in KL/Johor lfs, but not at my place. The price of the bichirs will be vary if you compare with other lfs. But the price that I listed are the price normally I saw at my place, price also depends on the bichir size too, like previously, I saw before 1 ornate around 13~14 inch selling @200 at my lfs. So the pricing depends on many factors like the origin of the fish, WC or CB, size, quality, rareness, the lfs itself and etc.

By the way, I saw one of the lfs in JB got sell tetra monster pellets. So happen to saw it last few days when I visit there.
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Ur lfs provide delivery service ot nt? @@
Hw much do tey sell? Cheaper thn massivote?
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QUOTE(rickyfan8888 @ Jan 1 2013, 04:56 PM)
Nope..I dun think they provide delivery service. Actually where is ur location? I think around 70+- for a big bottle of the tetra monster pellets, not sure what is the weight of it but it is a large bottle.
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Too baddddd. Perak la, bro. Aduh.
Cheaper thn massivore la lidat. Haha.
Bt here din sell tetra monster. =(

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QUOTE(antzz @ Jan 3 2013, 07:29 AM)
Couldnt find anywhere online for now. Maybe u should try hunting in lfs, or request from them to order for u. Good luck  smile.gif

Spotted amazing bichirs from Arare Afish. Check out.

Long Fin Senegalus
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Short-body Senegalus
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*too bad i'm not ready for more commitments right now. Been busy with life cry.gif
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The longfin senagalus is their real pic?


Added on January 3, 2013, 8:37 am
QUOTE(antzz @ Jan 3 2013, 07:29 AM)
Couldnt find anywhere online for now. Maybe u should try hunting in lfs, or request from them to order for u. Good luck  smile.gif

*too bad i'm not ready for more commitments right now. Been busy with life cry.gif
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Thn wanna sell ur bichirs??? Hehehe


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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Jan 3 2013, 06:09 PM)
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6-10" in size some starting to color up already !!

In Sabah thou !!

Cheers
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For sale???!!!


Added on January 3, 2013, 7:42 pm[quote=antzz,Jan 3 2013, 11:25 AM]
I think it is. Feel free to ask them directly bro. Just like Arare Afish on FB. Good luck.
Hehe.. My dragons not for sale la.. Well at least not for now icon_rolleyes.gif
Haiyorr. Nvm la. If wan sell, first person to tell, is meee! Haha

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QUOTE(genielee_83 @ Jan 4 2013, 10:25 AM)
Jay Chua. Tetra monster and Hikari (colors) are available at
Pretty Pets and Aquarium (Jusco, Bercham Ipoh)
Hikari is rm120+ for a small 1kg + pack.
Didn't check out Tetra monster price though.

Antzz, i have 2 short body albino sens. ^^
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Means thr selling tetra monster arr? =) genie, accept my fren request in fb la. Haha. Usually u buy ur polys at whr? Online or lfs? If on9,mine.gimee the website. Hehe.
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Aww. So sweetee_83,Jan 4 2013, 09:37 PM]
I bought my birchirs from Arare. U go fb and search for him.
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I bought frm bluegrass aquatic and pets wonder..
Arare better arr? @@
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