Yes, not to mention after the phone jailbreaked
Even more tweak for it~

contrary to popular belief, many don't jailbreak their phones. they are the silent majority. even for android, many don't root or flash their phones. geeks are a very small percentage of users in this world. they are the noisy minority.

I remember I was at MacStudio Midvalley and there was this little kid that kept telling his father "We have to jailbreak our iPad, after that all our games will be free!!"...and I was thinking, Gee..what kinda mindset does his father instil on his child..
It's like saying, "It's ok to steal".

Hi there, thanks to you too.

About the overall performance, I'm sorry if I was wrong but isn't that what regular Android-only users are raving about models-to-models now and then? Just a glance on Android thread, and sometimes in Garage Sales thread, it's so apparent. It's absolutely a feature. If that's not, well, I'd say it will be pointless for them to upgrade from original Galaxy Note anyway. Better stick with the older model, much economical too.

And if you'd think that improved performance only showcase the snappiness for existing apps then you're absolutely wrong. You see, apps and games development on iOS do mimic the ones from game consoles, only that the transition is much faster by being annually. So as the newer apps are made available, it will be missing much feature while being ran on older devices. It's not just a question on how fast it gonna load.


Well, I don't see the XBox vs PS3 analogy to be appropriately applied for this iOS vs Android situation. On the fallacy, you're saying on how Xbox (Android) has great processing capability, while in reality it's the iPhone that does have the trait of better performance compared to other Android phones to date. And oh, abit out of topic, I'm also an avid Xbox player and I do love shooters, so I do know that they also got much exclusive titles, not counting the semi-exclusive ones like CODs and Bethesda titles.

Back on the topic, I'd say apart from increasing the performance and graphics of iPhone 5 by twofold, it's not like Apple is not innovating on the OS at all. Most of them are actually on the inclusion of new APIs for developers to tap into. In fact, WWDC does span in one week to outline those, and it's being done annually. By the new improvement being made behind-the-curtain, doesn't mean they're doing nothing at all.


Well, JellyBean is the biggest upgrade that happened to Android since, like, ever. You should try that since its vanilla interface (eg Nexus 7) isn't a mess like last time I've tried GB and HC (dunno if manufacturer's custom skins gonna be terrible, mind you), while it's less laggy than that of ICS. But just for the sake of comparison, WP7 is far smoother interface-wise.

But then, referring back to what I've mentioned above, it's all about app development. Using an Android device, I can't help to not notice that most of apps in Play store are optimised for up to 2.3.x. I mean come on, even games from big studios are targeting Gingerbread devices. Not that it wont run on JB at all (while some gonna break compatibility), but all the improvement which are OS-specific are gonna lost in translation. Well, I can't blame the developers though, since upgrade roadmap of the OS on devices themselves can get pretty messy.


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Btw, back on the thread's topic, I'd still say the poll is irrelevant. Both devices are clearly made to cater different markets, so don't be surprised if both do quite well. You see, people don't mix C-segment cars with B-cars right? That's just how irrelevant this poll was.

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No.3 the light notification for SMS, email etc I thought iPhone have it long ago. It's a flash light using camera flash.

No.30 offline reading. iPhone does have reader tab on safari right?

No.39 Double tap to top. iPhone got a better way so that's not an reason i guess...

And some other reason can be done using apps....

Ya Reason 47 is the one I've been dying wanna have it...

This post has been edited by noobie123: Oct 17 2012, 03:09 PM

i think u mean no. 5. led lights don't exist in iphone. even if screen is black you can figure out what message u have pending to be read. for example, white - whatsapp, green - viber, yellow - sms, etc. flash light only got one color

2. no. 30. offline reading iphone also got. so i dono what the presenter is talking about. but desktop mode and "porn" mode is unique to android. don't u hate it when u watch porn and forget, then your kids just go to your history and view your porn! embarassment of the century!!!

3. yes u are right. iphone does it better. double tap on samsung is crap.

4. reason 47 is the killer app for android. perdictive typing, swype to type, creating themes, and sizing your keyboard are great examples. keyboard is a very personal thing. i don't mind if u can't customize your icons, but keyboards, they are very very personal coz it translates to being productive on your phone.

This post has been edited by ramz: Oct 17 2012, 03:27 PM

iphone 5 bro!

Heh, dya think jailbreak is all about p!rating software??

There is tone of free apps it appstore including game etc.
Im not gaming with phone, I need the full control to my iDevices
Thats all..

Hi there, your post is really long and informative, thanks for responding and sharing!

I understand your post about speed matters as it affects the application / game as a whole and not just load times. With better speed, we probably get better games. I see your point but on my personal level, I don't see the value.

The first smartphone I ever used was the HTC Desire on Eclair / Froyo. Over time, as Android OS develops, it stopped being backward compatible. OTA update was pretty limited and our only option at that time was to head over to xda-developer and try custom ROM. I tried several custom ROM but it was mostly buggy. I was pretty disappointed and made the switch to Apple - iPhone 4, which I am still using today.

To me, it was the right move. iOS was offering good user experience, I like the software and everything seem more organized. Till today, with iOS 6, it's still good. The difference between Apple and Google is that Apple takes care of older hardware but Google abandoned them.

So, I was using iPhone 4 for a year, then 4S came. Not much innovation except for Siri. Then Steve Jobs died and many said Apple went with him. I defended Apple against all my Android friends. Another year passed, and now iPhone 5, not much innovation again except it's longer. At this point, got bored of iOS, and Jelly Bean caught my interest and I'm tempted to look what's changed on the Android side of things.

I need something which can impress me and am curious about the progress Android has made. I am not looking for processing power. I know iPhone 5 have better camera (which I use a lot) and am used to the layout. I know iPhone 5 is faster and performs better, lighter, loo more premium (as compared to Note 2 plastic case). Somehow, they just don't appeal to me anymore cause Android got me curious.

I like the features offered by Note 2. The stylus, the multi-window, the notes you can scribble while on the phone with somebody, etc. But, you just made me pull the handbrake... I'm a little skeptical cause you said on PlayStore, most of the app are optimized for 2.3.x.

I am not a very technical person so my understanding failed me in some of the things you've wrote. Nevertheless, I appreciate your post. Sorry you have to read my story. I still think PS3 is the fair representation of iPhone and Xbox as Android. I'm not sure why I think this way but I just do. And Kinect is like Jelly Bean.

So far trying the note 2 for a week and really feel good. The most notable improvement is the battery life is not an issue anymore. Very impressive I would say. On screen 7 hours with no extra care like switch this and that off. Use like what it intend to be and it still have much juices left at the end of the day.
Jelly bean does really improve the overall smoothness and response. Virtually lag free.
The only thing I miss iOS is goodreader 1password readdledocs and awesome note..
Primary phone will now switch to SGN 2 , secondary will be either L920 or iPhone 5. Whichever come first lol.
Would say Note 2 will be a good buy. Will not regret can say. Resell value wise I think will be on downside. Lose around 45% to 50% because the device tend to become cheaper in few months time after release.

Thanks to you too. Glad that can have some healthy discussion with fellow LYN members.

Ok, about the better performance, I do understand on how you view it as something of not much significant although given that you've already understand some of my points. But personally, I'd say it's more about future-proofing (not really the correct term, though) over the course of the phone's first year span. Initially, all people can see is that it's faster and with potential of expanding further, but that's not the end.



So you may ask why the above. Just take example of some gaming app, FIFA13 and Sky Gamblers : Air Supremacy and get them onto previous devices pre-4S. Run them and all you gonna get is Sky Gamblers Lite. Run FIFA13 on iPhone 4 and it tends to have its animation lag (most likely gonna resolved in future through the "Lite" route, if you catch the drill).



To make it short, they make sure that the extra oomph in their hardware doesn't left untapped for the device's premiering year. And they're not throwing out new specs just for the sake of telling us "Wow, that's fast".

But still, if significant performance increase is still negligible for you, then I'd say the original Galaxy Note should already suffice. It also falls into JellyBean rollout, which makes more than enough for new buyers. Also if you do really notice, the upgrade from Note - Note II is actually a reenactment of iPhone 4S - iPhone 5 upgrade situation. Roughly twice the performance, while being physically taller. I'm not joking.


As for Note or Note II, it's still a solid device to own. What I'm just trying to outline here is that both falls under very different category. It's not like a good thing to make a poll on how a van fares compared to a lorry.

So my rumblings aside, judging from my personal view on performance, your current iPhone 4 is so much due for an upgrade, no matter for iOS or Android's latest. But then, going straight to either latest device will only further proves my point. And yup, either side do have their own pros and cons for sure.

But, if writing and drawing is your main priority then you may not even need to head to Play Store at all. Preloaded apps are already great to showcase its unique selling point. btw, apps being optimised for GingerBread doesn't mean it can't be run on newer devices though, so that doesn't sound so bad. It's just that newer improvement that are OS-specific aren't making way to the app, so they're not going for its total potential, while it's 100% working fine on the same time.

About physical appearance, this round it won't matter much. Since both aluminium and plastic are supposedly scratched-off easily, both will end up in cases most of time anyway.

So yup, go ahead and get the Note II if you might. It is the most powerful Android phone available on our shores to date. That tempted me to replace my current Android device (hey, I do droid too!) but then I'll be better off wait for the next Nexus device. I'm just not really convinced with manufacturer's own tinkering to the OS, but that's just me. Apart from the Exynos 4 Quad stuff that I've mention previously, though. And another thing I do despise is its charging time, especially if travelling only with its USB cable.

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Still, my most likely numero uno going-to device will be an iPhone 5. Well, each to their own. No devices are made equal, me guess?



This post has been edited by LaskarCinta: Oct 18 2012, 05:44 AM

Iphone 5;-))

How about the touch screen of samsung and apple? After years of using Iphone, do tried before Note 1 and S3 but yet the touch screen cant be compared to Apple(I meant the flowness and the sensitivity of it). For me Samsung is still far left . Maybe u can said im used to Apple. P/S : I"m not an IT geeks so, the flowness of touch screen yet to be important as whenever online or pressing somethings at the screen i felt smooth enough;-) Tries S3, still cant even compares to 4s flowness-.-"

i have both the ipad and s3. i think the ipad "flowness" is the same with iphone 5. once upon a time android device really cannot compare with iphone as far as "flowness". that was 2010. then come 2011, much better, but still a bit off. come 2012, with android ICS on s3, its 95% of iphone's "flowness". but with jelly bean it is now 99% good. i reserve 1% coz there are certain apps that launches slower by a fraction, although the "flowness" is still very good. android has become very competitive since 2010, and i see microsoft wm8 to be the next serious contender.

ultimately i want a mobile pc on my hands. and i see android and wm8 giving me this requirement. apple is still very stubborn on making their devices like a PC. i am a pc user since the 90's, so of course i am bias to a mobile device that behaves like a pc.

The more I read your post, the more I'm pulled back to iPhone. Maybe I should reconsider rather than regret. I'll reply a full post later tonight. Busy right now.

Finally back at home to reply to this post.

I think I'm gonna go with the Note II. I like the creativity and productivity part. I need a bigger phone (sign of getting old) and I like the big screen, the photos looks better though the camera lose out to iPhone 5 but naturally bigger screen = bigger photo = more appealing.

I'm probably at that point where I'm sick of iOS, I want to go back to Android, regret and come back again in iPhone 6 or 7. It's just a change but I really do appreciate your input as you've taught me things that I didnt know and I still dont understand but it makes a lot of sense to me.

I might regret getting the Note 2 but least I wont be bored with that same old iOS look. My friends are warning me that it will be very exciting to see my reaction when a custom ROM crash on me. I will probably root the device at a later stage but not flash it with customs due to bad experience during my HTC Desire days.

Let me go back and read what you wrote about the Exynoss 4 Quad stuff, I forgot... But anyway, once again, thanks for your input.

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Added on October 18, 2012, 10:43 pmBtw, I just realized all the spoilers you placed have contents in them. I've missed reading them! LOL!

This post has been edited by merchant9: Oct 18 2012, 10:43 PM

Iphone 5 goes for optimal screen size. If you want to buy note 2 for a bigger screen size, better go for ipad or note 10.1

the poll vote are apple threads surely more ipongs' supporter.. likewise in sammy thread confirm sammy voters for more

u're asking in apple iphone forum, obviously the poll will favour towards iphone 5, i mean.. isn't it obvious? LOL

seriously u come here and ask ah boss?lol.btw,if i was rich,i would definitely buy both!

for sure it will be ip5.. easier.. mac and iPhone will sync with my icloud.. yeahhhh!

in my hand, i used iphone 4 for 2 years...
everything smooth, easy and safe.

the best thing in Apple product - iphone - will cover your data in cloud, if anything happen, you'll not lost everything in your iphone.

but, make sure you buy for your own use... every person need different.