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 Wizard Discussion v2, Come, all ye arcanists

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SUS2890
post Apr 18 2013, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 18 2013, 03:25 PM)
wah, can tahan MP9?? ARchon without teleport summore. I'm using teleport tho...may be should choose powderful Improved Archon
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Yeah, elites goes down within seconds man but have to depend on affixes la. I'll do more runs to test it. So far so good.

My fastest elite kill so far is 7seconds.
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post Apr 18 2013, 03:47 PM

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Best part is don't have to worry about plague/RD/Desecrator.

Only need to worry about frozen and archon timer.
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post Apr 18 2013, 10:00 PM

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^ No idea. Hopefully soon cuz i wanna go archon.

Bought a double speed Chant wand for 95m - 1187.6 DPS, 1.79 APS. Still doesn't feel right man. My life recovery sucks even though i'm at 3.06 APS.

Finally tak tahan just went blood magic.
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post Apr 18 2013, 10:54 PM

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Oh btw, I realize the wizard needs more skill slots. Last time with the DH, i just end up cincai pick one skill to fill up everything but i need more slots with the wiz!
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post Apr 19 2013, 11:54 AM

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Ran with 30 APoC and double speed chant wand with meteor in it.

MADNESS....
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post Apr 19 2013, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Apr 19 2013, 12:07 PM)
I'm able to reasonably cast Meteor -Liquefy (but not -Molten Impact) with 20 APoC and a Chantodo's Force -5 AP to Meteor, ...yeah!, it's fiery brutal.
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The -5 AP on source is soooooo pricey. I'll give liquefy a try.

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post Apr 20 2013, 03:06 AM

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MOBAJOBGOlmanpeinsamametalfreak

TQ for your guidance, advice and tips.

I found the rhythm and i'm doing fine. No deaths, disco-dancing arcane beams if needed, avoiding fire chains as well. Just handled phase beast + succubus combo.

Your fellow cm wiz

oh btw, electrified + nightmarish surely kena fear right no matter how high your APS?
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post Apr 21 2013, 08:13 PM

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Hi guys, i've been testing this that might be extremely awesome when new patch hits with the assist mechanics.

1. Go make friends with a DH and get him to use that rune that divides damage done to mark targets among enemies (dont remember how many yards)
2. Get a sever with socket and insert a ruby into it.
3. DH mark a target, you archon and watch the whole group explode.

Have fun.

p/s: oh for better efficiency, get a monk with cyclone implosion.

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post Apr 22 2013, 10:34 PM

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Did repeated runs in the past few days with DH and Wiz and now i'm pretty sure Blizzard have an in-game "screwyoumechanics"

I took my DH and Wiz for repeated runs on Act 3 Keeps 2 and each fought against 50 elites. To conclude, every time I run with my Wiz the most popular affix is electrified and nightmare. For DH, yeah everyone's favorite vortex and RD .

This can't be a coincidence.

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post Apr 23 2013, 04:25 PM

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Hey metal,

i've been checking out sleet storm build and i think is awesome man.

Anyway my thoughts on the Wiz class so far:

Pros:
1. Lots of build diversity
2. Challenging and requires constant prediction
3. Insane damage output despite what the paper DPS shows.
4. Fun to melt mobs/elites.
5. Can go lazy mode with archon

Cons:
1. FREAKING EXPENSIVE TO GEAR (yeah, coming from a former DH player)
2. Tired hands

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post Apr 23 2013, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Apr 23 2013, 04:55 PM)
2890 , y dont go for monk ,? i think with ur dex gear sure can get a GG monk
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I think you never see my dex gears last time. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

All DPS gears, total AR = around 350. how to play monk?

and i tried playing monk twice, rolled two lvl 60 monk and just didn't like the style.
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post Apr 23 2013, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 23 2013, 05:13 PM)
Now I wonder what will happen if I ported my monk's stuff over to DH.
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you'll have too much EHP and with gloom even more but your DPS will suffer.

but the DH is a pretty easy class to gear because is a range class and it has the OP gloom. So defensive wise, gloom lets you get away with a lot of things that you would have to otherwise have to consider. So you can focus a lot on your offensive side of the game.


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post Apr 23 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 23 2013, 05:15 PM)
Yeap. Looks freaking cool! Gonna try afew stuff when the patch comes out because I didnt download the PTR.

I'm gonna see how sleetstorm will work with a LS skorn(if there is any cheap one). I bought a cheap 8.5mill skorn with LS for my TR Monk.

Next build to try is the Disintegrate tongue.gif Just saw some guy posted on Diablofans about this new build. ArchonWiz or something.
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buffs to ray of frost as well? wow.

but damn, why did Blizzard not make an LS chantodo wand? WHY!????? I think with the LS wand, cm wiz is close to immortality man.
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post Apr 23 2013, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(olman @ Apr 23 2013, 09:17 PM)
they didnt want to, its always  wants some lose some

if want A, u lose B something like that

example is like slorak madness, instead of puting a useful affix they went for It finds ur death humorous doh.gif
also wizardspike is actually a high end weapon, but it does not come with a single random affix  doh.gif

baba items are the most well made eg: IK, Stormshield

this is purely my own observation after trying out all classes.
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I'm making an insane cm wiz.

I'm selling my chant set, unity rings x2, bk pants x2 and mempo also. Sold double speed chant wand already.

Later i post the result. brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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post Apr 24 2013, 12:11 AM

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Wanted to abuse elemental damage but experiment fail.. Sigh..

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But i really think this can give you tons of DPS. My Chant Wiz DPS at 2.6k INT < My Dagger Wiz DPS at 2k INT

Dagger Wiz DPS = 231k
Chant Wiz DPS = 227k

Ran through d3up.com and if can push dagger Wiz INT to 3k, you're looking at an extra 100k DPS but chant Wiz DPS at 3k INT is at extra 40k DPS.

Downside is the EHP lost is massive. Around 200k EHP lost from d3up.com

But LS is awesome on Wiz man.
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post Apr 24 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 24 2013, 10:40 AM)
Good findings bro. But your dagger and zuni boot is damn good man.

Probably boost damage from other stuff? Amulet with avg damage

I'm viewing D3 profile page...not updated?
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oh that experiment tak jadi la. Fail cuz EHP wise is horrible and my INT too low to fully benefit from the spec.
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post Apr 24 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Apr 24 2013, 03:19 PM)
Of course, ...a 11 ias, cd, ls and os dagger definitely works with proper toon stats specs.

[Edited a few minutes later]
I'd tested such a dagger (is still in my stash) but with low dps in the past and was impressed by the result.
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I was able to maintain 2.79 AS with the 9 AS dagger and my idea initially was to abuse elemental damage to gain well over 350k DPS on the CM wiz but the extremely tricky part was the EHP balance with total INT.

I mention previously that despite losing out on more than 500 INT stats, my DPS was higher with the dagger. Now imagine same INT stats with the dagger.

Anyway, I saw this video on a dagger + triumvirate + Zuni + Storm Crow CM wiz with total 34% elemental bonus cutting through MP10 elites within 20 seconds. Madness man.

Oh btw, I ran a few CM wiz specs on a WW/CM calculator and it seems that Moba you have a 86% freezing capability and those with say 300k DPS CM wiz at my breakpoint are at 77% capability. So I guess we can either get above 3 APS to freeze or drop some freezing capability and melt them before they get nasty.
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post Apr 24 2013, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Apr 24 2013, 06:21 PM)
care to share your freezing calc? Or, just punch me into it and tell me the results. I hope can hit 60%
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Sure happy to help.

Attack speed calculator - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...R2bkN4SkE#gid=0

Wiz DPS Calculator - http://www.d3rawr.com/c

CM/WW Calculator - http://d3cmww.com

The calculations I made each time is against SINGLE target because what works against single target works better against multiple targets for CM wiz.

Well, I entered your details and got the following. (Bear in mind, results are for SINGLE target)

SHeet DPS: 166466.86
Average DPS: 494192.72
Amplification ratio: 2.97

DPS from WW: 94019.99 (19.02%)
DPS from CR: 123022.63 (24.89%)
DPS from SA: 87121.72 (17.63%)
DPS from Strom Armor Base: 86905.92 (17.59%)
DPS from Weapon: 103122.47 (20.87%)

Freeze uptime = 59.42%
Chill uptime = 100.00%

Average seconds per Frost Nova cast = 2.59 seconds
Average Frost Nova per fight = 11.57

Average seconds per DS cast = 2.83 seconds
Average WW cast per seconds = 0.68
Average active twisters = 3.62

Average CR cast per seconds = 0.75
Average cooldown uptime = 91.94%

Average CM procs per seconds = 3.45 (70.69& from WW)
Average APoC gain per second = 25.70
Average AP spend per second = 38.75

Average AP = 24.99
Average Life gain per second = 1478.92

p/s: You spending more AP than you gain. Maybe a storm Crow or Chant source with APoC.

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post Apr 25 2013, 06:50 AM

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Worth it?

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post Apr 26 2013, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 25 2013, 10:26 AM)
Not sure. I have a SoJ which also increases ET's CC.

Macam tak berapa effective when I tested last time. afew patches before 1.0.7.

Slorak + SoJ. o.O . I dont have slorak wand now sad.gif
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I got slorak wand but effective ka? lose lots of APS man

QUOTE(metalfreak @ Apr 25 2013, 04:32 PM)
Eh guys...for amulets...just craft for Intel?
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i crafted 300 plus int amulets already. All garbage man.

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