Flipping now really hard

Reason is you are competing against AH tycoons and AH bots. I've seen so many awesome triumvirate, chant wand, chant off hand bidded at 2b on 1d11h.

I gave up on flipping since patch hit and i'm just farming. Sometimes lucky, sometimes not so.

Weird I run my spec with memPo and storm crow through d3up and yeah mempo with the 9AS gives me higher DPS but the weapon's damage range and average hit is higher with the 8% elemental damage.

I think u might have misunderstood me. No doubt AS will give you higher DPS but is pretty much inflated DPS. What i'm looking for is solid consistent damage and the elemental damage wins here IMO.

A good example was my DH and my friend's DH. both same DPS but i'm at 2.12 AS and he is at 1.6-1.7 AS. He hits harder.

Yeah blizzard + cold blooded seems viable but i've yet to test this spec solo.

Hmm, i tried all runes of disintegrate actually. I still can't make up my mind but so far the good ones while running with a CM seems to be convergence.

1. Convergence - wider beam
2. Chaos nexus - doesn't seem right unless u r at melee range
3. entropy - doesn't pierce or doesn't pierce enough and requires you to be at melee
4. volatality - nahh
5. intensify - nice but thin beam

i'm still mixing and matching. If you have a better one, let me know!

archon inferno friday? yeah saw his vids.

I'm checking out death blossom as well. Don't really get how it works. Is pretty random but I guess against ubers is a sure hit. Thanks for the tip!

Yes elemental damage is being multiplied into average damage first. So isn't it better to get a weapon with higher average damage?

The above example of Axe Vs Wand. AS no doubt make the beam ticks more in archon mode but here I think we should prioritize average damage because the DPS of a weapon is inflated with the base AS on the weapon. Good example is rare xbow vs manticore. Manticore's DPS is AS influenced so it will never hit as hard as a rare xbow with the same DPS.

My understanding is based on my DH experience so i'm assuming is probably the same with wiz. Harap harap not wrong la.

Yes formula don't lie and yes i agree that the AS influences the DPS output. But i'm trying to explain that paper DPS is not what you should look for in archon mode because archon's are dependent on weapon damage. A good example was my friend and my DH last time, same DPS but his Ball Lightning hits 100k harder than mine. My DPS was paper DPS as I stack tons of AS on my DH.

Boss, my understanding right or wrong? Might need to tweak if is wrong.

Davy123

Your math is right. I think we deviated from the original topic. We are comparing two weapons: A wand and A spear. Assuming NO ADDITIONAL average damage from other sources, two weapons with identical DPS, the weapon with the slower APS will be hitting harder PER HIT. I think we all know/agree on that and i have no idea why i'm bringing this up now. LOL

If you add in identical average damage coupled with the elemental damage then yes your math is right. The wand would be harder due to higher DPS. But bear in mind, we are comparing similar DPS setups here. (or are we?)

For example, a 200k DPS skorn wielding monk and a 200k DPS DW monk. The skorn user would be hitting harder per bells or per hit. Same goes to a manticore vs rare xbow DH, both with similar DPS. The rare xbow DH's BL would be hitting harder per ball.

I choose a slower but higher average damage weapon for archon because is gonna give more damage per hit or per tick or how ever it is called.

wlcling

yeah you are right as well. I think i'm confuse as well right now.

Anyway, happy hunting.

I'm not comparing with bow. Rare xbow as in rare crossbow

Bow are weak. haha.

So yeah BL hits harder on a rare xbow compared to a manticore because manticore's DPS is AS influenced where else the xbow is pure damage.

Hmm, yeah you are right. But what I wanted to clarify was is elemental damage better or AS better for the archon beam? Cuz my archon style is to stack:

1. Average damage
2. CC and CHD
3. Elemental Damage

then only AS. AS ranks the lowest because I felt that in archon mode, I wanna hit hard not hit fast. After reading what you wrote, it got me thinking maybe archon and say BL or other skill that relies on xx% weapon damage has different mechanics.

My understanding is if two char with identical DPS, the one with lower AS should hit harder per hit on skills that says xx% weapon damage i.e: Ball Lightning.

What about archon? Two chars with same DPS, one say 2APS one say 1.6 APS. Anyway to tell? Does it mean that 1.6APS archon hits harder per tick while 2.0APS archon hits weaker per tick but tick more often? Result is a tie???

flipping no longer possible with new patch cuz and cuz of AH bots and AH tycoons.

This post has been edited by 2890: May 2 2013, 08:44 PM

that you gotta do a simulation on d3up.com

boy now im confuse as well. LOL

Anyway, just get as much paper DPS as possible. THat's what i understood so far because davy123 is right, archon beam is channeling style so the damage calculation has to include attack speed as well.

yeah i missed out on that. Thanks man!

I found the answer to all the questions here.

Check this out.

http://www.clicktoloot.com/p/combat.html#offense

When you channel a skill with a continuous effect such as Disintegrate, it will deal damage based on cycles, which are equal in length to your swing speed, that is 1/APS value. The damage is calculated based on those cycles, then spread over the whole cycle duration so that it's dealt to the target continuously instead of once every cycle. Just as with DOTs, damage is shown as combat text every half a second, with rounded numbers.

A thing worth pointing out is that channeled skills deal same dps (when weapon's dps stays constant) over time no matter the weapon's speed. Their cost on the other hand is paid per attack cycle, therefore making faster weapons burn your resources at a higher rate compared to a slow one. As Wizard and Witch Doctor are the main users of channeled spells, and they do not have access to real resource generator abilities like the other classes' Primary Skills, considering weapon speed is of utmost importance for their resource management. This is really no different to any other skills, but people might find the continuous nature of channeled skills confusing.

This means that channeling's skill damage is independent of weapon AS but dependent on weapon DPS. A faster weapon only makes you burn your arcane power faster.

Okay i'm confuse.

oh btw, davy123 is right. Archon beam = char screen DPS. Okay, let's stack paper DPS!

I've been alternating between all the hydras. So far i think venom is better with CM. Your frost hydra is in solo mode? i'll give it a try but yeah blizzard sucks. I tried it during solo mode and don't think is good.

Intensify? the beam so thin and u got no problem triggering APoC?

oh the monk opinion was on bell damage per hit. don't remember but thanks!

how's your wiz going?

For real?

Need
To
Nerf
Blazing
Guardians!

I finally break 250k DPS.

Man gearing up Wiz damn hard.

I think 300k DPS is far fetch la after looking at chant off hand prices.

SNS > Archon.

And is harder to gear Archon for high MP. I think MP10 Archon much more expensive than MP10 SNS.

And besides gearing a 500k DPS Archon is so much more expensive then gearing a 250k-300k DPS SNS.

Noob. I help u later.

Lol why?

True true. Anyway good luck n good bye

Why???

I realize CM > ALL

I just free today. Sigh so busy lately. Barely play and my friend return acc to me. She say wiz damn lousy to play. Now I'm looking for new buyer.

Was bored this morning so I went to buy 6 Wiz SoJs just in case.

Now I have 6 x DH SoJs, 6 x Wiz SoJs and 1 WD SoJ