Yup, it should've come together in 1 package. Now 920 is nothing special already, the Z has catch up on it.
Besides OIS only good for static subject... good for video too.

But 808's 38MP resolution is not 1 mobile phone camera can come close, moreover it offers lossess zoom. Try using 3MP PureView mode, zoom to the max, take a shot (in daylight of course), then take any phone camera and zoom to the same range, take a shot and compare. It's just soooooo big of a difference. 808's quality is like truly able to maintain the great details.

If they have chosen the right path, today's 920 PureView might have been so much different.

Yup, that's the issue, they choose the wrong path from the start. Even if they have the time, they most likely are restricted by WP OS limitations and/or restrictions... and now Damian has left.

The main problem of 920 would be the default behaviour of using slow shutter speed because of the OIS. If the buyer/user has a family with children(s), the 920 will most likely be the worst camera; but if those who loves to take food, toys, then the 920 will be something really good and nice. Or say taking videos, but OIS may result in "Jello" effect in video.
For other camera phone you just have to switch to Night Mode to get the slow shutter speed, except that there's no OIS like the 920.

Sadly, the 920 uniqueness may easily or quickly outclass by others, unlike N8 and 808.

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Can.

He targeting ONE or Z

Use PureView 3MP mode, zoom to the maximum, shoot closeup mode outdoor with subject very close to your phone camera (as close as possible).

Although they want to call it Phase 2, but it is not actually correct, as Phase 2 should include Phase 1. But this is more like a different Phase.
Most likely the reason is they can't include Phase 1 because they adopted WP and due to WP limitation and they NEED to come out with a PureView Lumia to help market their WP, so they have to leave out Phase 1. Imagine if they waited and today Nokia will have nothing much special to promote about the L920.

Phase 1 is the one that's actually amazing. The current so called "Phase 2" is OK, it's especially good for those who love to take static objects (things that doesn't move because Optical Stabilizer can't help when your subject moves), but this "Optical Stabilizer" technology you can see other manufacturer's already beginning to overtake it or come close in just short time, but Phase 1, there's simply no competition.

Phase 1 lack of Shutter Speed control, if they allow this, then it will be easier to take less blurred photo due to shake.

I would love to see the PROPER Phase 2 PureView, which includes Phase 1.
Hope the next Lumia will actually have it, but then Damian already left.

808 PureView or Phase 1 has dedicated imaging processor, for this Windows Phone might not be able to support it yet during Lumia 920, besides Windows Phone still has no support for higher end processor, there's quite a lot of limitation of Windows Phone which they're slowly improving now. Moreover, I think it doesn't support the high megapixel of 808 PureView and other features that are available on the 808 PureView or Symbian OS itself. Due to the OS belongs to MS, Nokia can't make any modifications, so they have to rely on MS and it's up to MS whether they want to incorporate it into their OS and if they do, most likely it will not be specially for Nokia, which means others can have this features as well.

For camera phone with shutter speed control, I'm not sure about those "stock" camera software, but for 3rd party, yes. One of is the Nokia N900 with FCam mod. We can control the shutter speed and set to 1 second to play with slow shutter effects, we can even force the ISO to 6400.

808 PureView tends to use slower shutter speed so the result is usually blur due to shake or movement. Depends on what you shoot often, for me, I prefer to get the shot than get many blurry images. It makes the camera much more usable for most people, most of the time, we take the camera phone out we wanna take the shot immediately/quickly to capture the moment, not spending time to mess with the settings.
A good example would be my S3 vs 808, it's easier to take photo with the S3 even with no dedicated shutter button and taking the photo with one hand in lowlight, it gives higher hit rate with less blurred photo without messing with the settings at all. This is also why iPhone camera is preferred by many.
Lumia 920 have optical stabilizer, but the auto mode seems to favor slower shutter speed because it have this optical stabilizer, so... taking moving subjects is a no-no, e.g. taking your kids. Just look at test results or comparison reviews of L920 compared with competition, when it comes to moving subject, it fails terribly, but for those who loves to capture foods, toys, will love it.
Nokia needs to realize that it's more important to capture the moment than keep getting fail images; when taking foods, toys, usually these are not "action" moments, means the user can take their time to adjust the settings before shoot, or change the mode to "Food" (or some creative mode which utilizes the slow shutter speed, e.g. Night Mode in common camera modes). For "action" moments, usually you want to quickly capture the moment, you take the camera out and you want to capture immediately. (e.g. your kids doing something cute, your pet doing something cute, etc).

For ISO and Noise; depends on each user, those that capture human moving subject or moments, it's more important to capture the moment than blur shot. Beside, when resize to smaller resolution, it will not be so bad, usually people post to Facebook under mobile uploads, it's already resize to small resolution, moreover most people view it in their phones, it will usually look OK or good, not to mention photos do look better on those modern phone display... and viewing in small size/screen.

Anyway, 808 PureView is in a totally different league, if one appreciate it's 38MP it offers, and the PureView mode which offers true lossess zoom which gives equally good feature like an optical zoom with constant aperture. When I use 3MP PureView Mode and zoom to the fullest, it can maintain somewhat similar shutter speed, and with true lossess zoom, you get great amazing details even zoom to the fullest. On other phone cameras, you will see BIG difference when compared....

Below is a simple comparison I done previously, just look at how great is 808PV even when using it's MAXIMUM 3MP PureView Mode zoom and somemore at 100% CROP.... with S3, it looks like poor CCTV footage screen capture.

My pics mostly private family/kids photo ma, hehe

Previously was testing or trying out the 38MP and PureView Lossless Zoom, so got take more. There's always shifu aspire with all his amazing photos~

HTC ONE still have small sensor.
N8 comes with Carlz Zeiss too. Not sure how well HTC One performs yet, maybe you can do comparison later, also do comparison on 100% crop. 4MP vs 4MP.

Possibly this can start competing with years old Nokia N8.

http://www.gsmarena.com/alleged_details_on...e-news-5948.php

Yea, no need the best as long is good enough and can get a good shot. Between 808PV and S3, S3 have better hit rate with usable shot (disregard the noise and image quality), it's more important to get the shot most of the time, unless you're taking toys or have the time to slowly meddle with settings, usually for camera phone, you just wanna take the phone out and take that shot quickly and capture the moment.

For ONE quality, have to compare actual one only know the difference. It could be good, especially if the image is lower resolution, thus you won't see much even if you zoom 100%. My colleague is planning to get ONE too, but I have no N8 to compare, hehe, so leave it to you.

Same with 808 or most Nokia cameraphone? It tends to use slower shutter speed. That's why I emphasize that they should include Shutter Priority mode. It's especially important for those who shoot family photos, especially kids, they won't just stay there and let you shoot.

Talk about this, Nokia Malaysia FB did post a misleading photo for promoting L920, it's about 1 bird is trying to capture another bird and ask the bird not to move. Hello??? Optical Stabilizer won't help if the subject moves ler, in fact it will be worst because with optical stabilizer in auto mode, the camera may tend to use slower shutter speed most of the time.

That's why I emphasize Nokia should include Shutter Priority mode. It's also better in a way where while you're shooting you move around or lighting condition changes, then the camera auto choose lower ISO or higher ISO, while you're still maintaining the shutter speed, so when you move to a better lighting area, the ISO may be much lower and you may get better quality images. If you fix the ISO at highest, you're stuck with this, and if you need to change, you may not know the good ISO to use when it change or you may not have time to keep changing.


For small sensor, it's easier to do as there is much more DOF. And you see many of those apps which offer Lytro like feature, they usually produce smaller resolution photos which is easier to do and you need to capture few photo of the scene with different focus.
Another way is using VIDEO, focus at the closest then focus to the furthest, then extract out the images.


Small sensor easier, get those photos where everything seems to be in focus, generate into smaller resolution, sharpen it so everything looks clear and sharp. Now you wanna change focus, then use software to generate blur/OOF effect or bokeh effect on those not in focus. Kakaka.
The main issue is when people shoot closeup, how to get everything to be in focus, clear and sharp.

Personally, I don't really like the output of direct flash and shooting with flash can be quite distracting too and the delay is also there. Without flash you can fire multiple shots easily.
Noise is not that bad when you're capturing the moment because you will appreciate it if you can capture the moment than totally failed shot. The S3 still usable even the pic is noisy, if the 808 can do this well at capturing moment, it will be a fun and easy to use by many people. Too bad Damian left, in one of the user's comment, he replied to the user's request for Shutter Priority positively... but 808 may not have further improvement already anyway.

Yup, looking forward for the next PureView, hopefully it will have Phase 1 + Phase 2, a proper TRUE Phase 2. But read rumors that it will have variable aperture lens?

Yup, usable, if you downsize and view at smaller resolution, it's very much usable. Anytime better than any camera phone; that's why I really hope it will give more priority to shutter to let us capture the moment.

The comment, later the user replied the purpose and reason for Shutter Priority and Damian agrees about and then give a positive feedback, something like it can/will be considered or something.
Actually, it's just a matter whether they wanna provide it, as a camera centric phone, it should stand out from the typical camera phone and offer good camera features. Shutter Priority is considered basic mode only, if they can offer Manual mode even better, if got more controls like detailed WB adjustment, then I think many photographer will loving the 808 and Nokia could have make a difference. Just too bad...

Yeah, really hoping it to be announce on May 14.

Yup lucky didn't end up as prototype. The 808 help make Nokia famous and set another record in camera phone history.

Actually, I believe those features like Shutter Priority can be implemented easily for them because they have all the access to the core of the OS codes. For 3rd party app, in easier to understand way, they may not be able to provide this function because they the original camera function or the coding already don't have this provided to those 3rd party app to access, so they can only access to what already available only. Those 3rd party app that offer "shutter speed", could be not a direct approach. For example, if you choose shutter speed of 1/125, the app will try to simulate what ISO to use so the camera will use shutter speed of 1/125 and choose the ISO, maybe that's why it won't always work.
For Nokia, they have access to the base source code and all the camera hardware and software, they can easily do it.
For N900/Maemo, it's a very open OS, and people was able to make changes to it more easily at base level.

WP7 was not that good with many limitations. WP8 is much better, so it will be nice to have proper PureView.
The best thing about WP for me is the Social Networks Integration.


This post has been edited by Andy214: May 8 2013, 03:44 PM

Yup, still have it using but at home. Will try to share some sample here.
But what others play with last time is suing long exposure, but the slowest shutter it can go is 1 second. So, those N900 owners used to play with those "effects" like air drawing with light, or capturing trail of lights, etc. For camera phones without shutter speed control can achieve this as well by adjusting the settings (even using ND filters or sunglass) to force the camera use the slowest shutter possible. The fun part of FCam is unlocking more controls over the camera, which makes photography more fun, even the camera itself is not very good, but because of the controls we have, it makes the difference.

Thanks to the OIS. Can it be turned off? Because OIS, the "auto-intelligent" camera of L920 try to be smart to use slower shutter.
This is OK if you're shooting still subject, no complains, very good indeed.

I guess it's still not stable and they don't have something good to sell. See L920, and the new L928... L928 is more or less the same like L920.... using PureView OIS technology only. And both running Windows Phone OS, both are really not much different unlike Androids, there will be different looking theme/UI for the different versions at least.

Sadly, the CEO remains stubborn to stick to only Windows Phone OS despite the shareholder hints or adopting Android OS.

WP Lumia PureView still has nothing interesting, with only OIS, others already catch up and offering the same (e.g. HTC One; HTC One has Ultrapixels as another added advantage). Samseng also rumored to kambing soon with OIS.
This technlogy easily catch up by others...

But... the TRUE ACTUAL PureView, which offers by 808 is still no match by ANY smartphone camera, not even digital camera TO DATE.

Nokia should truly reconsider what they have done ever since they join Microsoft.

Wonder when we will have something as good as 808. If Nokia don't take action and further improve this technology, later it goes to Samseng "again".
Also rumored that "Samseng" is planning on shutter functions. (Read that they plan to incorporate Optical Zoom but this will make the phone bulky)

Power of 808 PureView at 38.4MP

But the main problem is Nokia is stubborn-ness. If they have opted Android as ONE OF THEIR Smartphone OS, they may not have lost to Samseng. Why must they go SINGLE PATH, only use Windows Phone OS, and it isn't even UNIQUE only for Nokia, others can also have it.

Why does Nokia Fall? How does Samseng rise?
Where is majority of Samseng customers from? They're not born out of no where, it's the switch.
Nokia is indirectly contributing to Samseng's success.

Nokia is like "PaiKia" (in Hokkien means Gangster)
While Samsung becomes Samseng. So, the era of PaiKia has passed, it has lost to Samseng Kia
Just kidding!