Not a fan of WP, but as current version of Symbian on 808. WP will be a better choice, with proper tethering capability, apps, and other features.

808 is good enough, but I'm not able to share my internet connection to other Android devices. I don't really mind the apps as it's not my primary phones, but for those who use it as primary phones and actively using those apps (e.g. Android or iOS users), it'll be hard to switch to 808PV, but easier to switch to Lumia 1020.

As for OIS, not a necessity but nice to have regardless, useful when shooting still objects. Although I usually shoot moving subjects, but still OIS does come in handy.

Depending on the user, there're many people who love shooting food, toys, etc indoors, so the OIS will be great benefit to them. Having that said, OIS is a feature that other manufacturer easily catch up, even now there're other competitors offering OIS. The uniqueness is mainly the 41MP sensor +sensor size and the lens.

Finally, there is camera app for WP which allows manual controls...
Oh and... 808 has poor focusing, sometimes it just won't focus even you're > 15cm away, quite annoying. With the S3, I can easily focus. Hope they will fix this problem in 1020.

For video, OIS may cause "jelly effect". So need to understand and still maintain steady hands. Should not be compromise or taken for granted for having OIS.

Yes, sound is superb, but should not compared to camcorder. Comparing with any smartphones, the 808 sound recording is incomparable, too much noticable difference, not "slightly difference" but one that you can tell right away even for many people. And the sound output from 808 is also great.

As for drop, the 808 is tougher than 1020. I own N9 and used to own L800, it's not as tough as 808, dropping those will surely cause dent or damage, but 808 is tougher (but heavy). Nonetheless, it also depends how it's dropped.

There's something extra, when you shot in PureView Mode, it also save the full resolution image together. Usually with 808, I will take a full resolution and a PureView mode sample, with the 1020, just keep in PureView mode and you will get both sample.

Hope there's higher FPS for video, then can do slow-mo video. HTC One has it.

1020 comes with camera app which allows manual/advances controls, which is what I wanted for the 808 since the beginning and people been requesting it.

Something like that, but usually it happens more on video due to the "OIS" being taken for granted. Without OIS, normally the user will try their best to stabilize their hand and movement, pan slowly. But with OIS, the user tends to "take for granted" thinking that the OIS will solve the shake, etc, but it will cause the "Jello Effect"

The correct word should be "Jello Effect" or in another word, Rolling Shutter. In video, you will see it, the "jelly like effect" or "wobbling". If you try to "stabilize" a shaky video using software processing, you will notice this effect if you apply more harsh stabilization (or shake reduction).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter

They should allow user to turn off the OIS, but need those Lumia PureView with OIS users to confirm.


EDIT:
Off Topic: Your siggy eye-scroll, dammmm funny!!! This is also what happen when I see my friend testing it, somehow the head will also move, hahahah and the eye will like want to pop-out cause trying to concentrate, it's damm funny.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 15 2013, 03:06 PM

Thanks bro! Will check and try it out~

Fix at higher ISO so it will try to use faster shutter speed most of the time.

Another thing is, 808PV has minimal processing, it's more toward natural color, unlike others which tends to boost more contrast and saturation, which makes the image look nicer. So if people just look basic and plainly at the image may feel 808PV output image not so nice.
The key point is, you have more flexibility of enhancing the image that is less process or mildly processed; but then to most people then don't only see the "surface" of things, not everyone will check out the details, and so on.

Yup, even have noise, is not really big issue unless you want to view 1:1 or do heavy crop. For normal viewing, it's better than any other cameraphone, even digital camera. Plus, the noise is also there to maintain the details.

For those who are really particular about noise, can apply different type Noise Reduction via software, but this will in return causes the image to loose details. More strong noise reduction may make the image look like water color or painting.
The point is, if by default the camera apply strong noise reduction, then you can not get back the details again. But, if by default it is minimal noise reduction, you can choose to apply additional noise reduction.
Nokia should have just provide "noise reduction" option in the menu, so those users who lazy to edit, or prefer to apply more noise reduction by default can choose the option.

Yup, once it's processed, it's like cooked meat, you can't un-cook it. But if it's mild-ly cook meat, you can further cook it to your taste... or add your own flavorings.
OR, another way to put it for color, imagine your coffee, you prefer it no-sugar, or 1 spoon of sugar or more, etc.

A mildly process image is always better.

But these is already color-options provided in 808. User can choose other color-profiles to get those more vivid looks, even there is saturation boost, perhaps it should also provide vibrance control.

Anyway, the point for 1020 is, they should provide options for natural color or minimal processing like 808.


They can boost for default profile if they want, but they should provide options for natural color or minimal processing like 808.
Wonder why they didn't think of this but answer the questions like users have no choice but to accept what their research findings.

No, just let you experience Metro UI homescreen.

You tried which?
There's another app called Start8, this is not good
The one shown by andreakua should be the app name "Eight"

L1020 too pricey and there's only limited 32GB storage, and not really latest spec, still way behind yet asking so much. There's rumor of the replacement for L1020 already.

Moreover, there're quite a number or people selling it. If just for the camera, one can get 808 at much much cheaper price and spend the rest of the money on a better smartphone (if one doesn't mind carrying 2 device) and also save on the primary phone battery.

Special? I'm not sure, 1520 seems better except the camera, 1520 have high megapixel too, more than enough for general use. 1020 is way overpriced, too low on storage, no sd card option, not enough battery power. I'm waiting for the price to drop; at such price, it's just too unreasonable/unjustified, but seems Nokia/Microsoft wants to keep this device exclusive, which is unlike Nokia, so more likely Microsoft?

Then again, if you can wait... there're rumors on the 1020 successor... This should be much better I hope, with more battery, bigger storage and possible external storage (sd card), etc.

For those that don't have 808 and they're WP users, getting 1020 would be the better option.
But the specs and pricing, and the latest 1520, well... it's just doesn't justify or sound reasonable as the price for L1020 still sky high.

Well, anyway, there's nothing wrong to get it. As long the person appreciates it and willing to pay for it. Just enjoy it and don't look back.

You can google 1020 Successor, you can see several rumors. It's still just rumors, but for those not in rush or already have 808, can just wait for it; there "should" be one this year.

the blue might be due to white balance. With RAW, you can adjust them easily, while JPEG is processed and not much room for adjustment.

From the samples in L1020 thread, can clearly see the colors are too vibrant/punchy leading to unnatural colors, but people tend to like it because it sort of "pops".
L1020 with manual controls alone would already promoted it's usability factors, as a plus, the OIS.
The only issue is the "price", the phone spec isn't really good, there's limited storage available and no external storage options. Having such high megapixel camera and HD video capabilities, which purpose for photos and videos, lacking storage is a big factor, not to mention some limitation of WP in terms of files management.

Hope to see the L1020 replacement soon with most of the things improved, and priced competitively (especially since the Find 7 is now offering 50MP)

Of course RAW is better. I usually shoot RAW because RAW provides a lots of room for adjustment and flexibility.

Yes, and it needs to be processed.
Anyway, JPEG with minimal processing is good enough, but it will need some processing for different situations due to the minimal processing done.
That's why for DSLR, there is an advice for settings all adjustment to lowest/zero for JPEG.
JPEG is a processed file, think of it as cooked meat, if over-cook, then you can't really do much, but if mildly cook, then you can cook it further to your preference.

Then again, not everyone wants to always edit a photo, so a default processing has to be good and suits most people. I guess L1020 adopted more vibrant/contrasty processing on the JPEG was due to more people seems to prefer it. They have to follow the market majority, e.g. when people took a photo with the demo unit, "wow, it's so beautiful and colorful".
But as long there is option to adjust the settings and RAW option as a plus, it's very good already. Plus, the manual control is one of the main highlights.

The main issue with L1020 is the price, but then for those can afford or feels it's worth it, then go for it.
Another lacking is the storage options, for the price, if it's 64GB it's more worth it, but it's better to have external storage options; being a camera focus device, the user may use up many of the space.... Actually the external grip should comes with battery + storage.

Looking forward for the successor for L1020.

sifu, too expensive already and only 32GB and no external storage (somemore so expensive). Lumia 1520 cheaper and better spec, just lacking 41MP sensor.
Since already got 808, better wait for L1020 successor. If don't have 808, then maybe will highly consider L1020.

sifu, you also wait for L1020 successor better. Hopefully will have news soon.

Agreed. I guess they "move" towards "consumer choice" to get more people to buy it.

Didn't get L1020?
It's still stuck in V1.

Go Android....

But L1020 is way over-priced (especially now), and too little storage with no external memory option unlike newer Lumia Phones.
If getting solely for the Camera, then yes, L1020 is good, but price wise, functionality, flexibility and other apps/services wise, Android is still a better choice and the camera is good enough with many choices available.
Beside if you plan to invest on apps, it's better to invest on platform which is more likely be here to stay and you will stay. Another benefit is, when you bought an app/game, you can install it across multiple devices, smartphones, tablets, Android TV.
You can buy a good Android TV box range from RM200~RM500, which not only for watching movies, you can browse the web, install games, connect gamepad, etc.

Wanted to reply for each point, but I think no point.
Each person have their preference for a platform. What you mentioned above seems to be more towards your preference. (e.g. apps/games, and how you use).

Generally, Android is a better choice for most people and has more future.
How many Windows devices are available currently? Android there is so many types and each types there is many choices to choose from. Even phone itself, you have so many choices in terms of brand, design and each brand gives their own look-and-feel through their customization. If you have used XiaoMi, it has the look-and-feel like iOS, it's simple like iOS yet flexible and more capable like Android.

As regard to "lumia phone easily satisfy most user", I think this is a big statement, LoL. I believe many people will disagree. Just look at the users of Windows Phone, and you can do a search, many people switch away from Windows Phone after they used it. Many of us were there during the early stages when Nokia is adopting Windows Phone OS.

Some of us used to try to convince people to switch to Windows Phone, even up to the extend of letting them try and use it for few days.
Not to mention recommend people to switch/use. Most of the existing smartphone users didn't really like it.
You can also see many Symbian owners didn't like Windows Phone.
What's the reason for the downfall of Nokia and how did Samsung rise to the TOP? Obviously, most the users are from Nokia. If Nokia had Android devices, they might still be No. 1. But somehow, the ex-CEO (which was from MS), didn't allow Nokia to use Android, Windows Phone only. While Samsung/HTC can have both Android and Windows Phone. When Nokia went down, MS bought over Nokia, the ex-CEO went back to MS, and suddenly, we have Nokia X. Wow, bravo... well played....

Have you tried Android phones? From your description, seems you're not into customization and flexibility and freedom to send files, browse your file system, multi-tasking (with Samsung phones, you have multi-window; With Galaxy Note, you can have Pen Window, you can have many Pen Window, this Pen Window is resizable and can be minimized, so you can do multiple things in 1 screen).
True Multi-Tasking is one feature I look forward to. Nokia N900 does this very well and I loved it. Using the N900, it feels like carrying a miniature sized netbook at the size of a handphone, you can do many things with it.
If you're looking for such devices, at the moment, only Android fit the bill.

However, from your description, seems you're not looking for these things, but more of a basic smartphone function and basic apps, and seems you're satisfied with Windows Phone.
Actually, when I was using N900, there is no WhatsApp and many apps were not available on Maemo OS platform (but we have integrated Facebook Chat, Skype, etc into our core messaging itself, no need to install extra apps. So, I would say, during that time, I don't really bother about those apps, but once I switch to Android and start to use those apps, it become "part" of the important apps to have. Game is optional, but nice to have.

Anyway, if you're used to iOS, you can try XiaoMi Android devices, and the price is also very cheap... and quality is good, even the lowest end model. The UI is very much look and feel like iOS, even the open-apps pop up is exactly like iOS but more function where you can clear all apps, or lock certain apps from being cleared, etc.
The phones by XiaoMi is really worth the money, it maybe from China, but the quality of the device is actually very good. The reason they're cheap is because they don't spend on marketing, they don't have dealers (customer buy direct from them, phone are shipped direct from the factory itself). Unlike other brand like say iPhone 5S, the cost of the phone is less than USD200, but customer's are paying USD640 for it due to all other "cost" which mostly does not benefit the customers.

Last I tried, Android can't play FLAC files. I'm not sure whether there're any 3rd party players available which can play FLAC files. There is VLC but it's still in Beta version if I'm not wrong.

Looking into future, I'm not sure how and where Windows Phone OS will stand. How many other manufacturer's will provide Windows Phone options, in terms of phone, tablets and other devices?
iOS and Android is moving into cars and other devices. I foresee more future with Android due to it's more flexible and open, and the users are gaining more and more.
Do you have kids? Many kids now have tablets, the apps can all be shared if under same account (they should do family account). There is educational apps, educational games, song books, story books, nursery rhymes, etc. many learning apps for kids.
If someone invest in Windows Phone, in future if they want to change to Android, they will be loosing all the previous purchases.
Moreover, if you also purchase Android TV, those that you purchase, you can play those educational videos, books, music, nursery rhymes, etc on TV itself for the kids.
Of course, that is good for those who actually invest and purchase apps or in-app-purchase.