One thing about the 808 PureView, the 38MP resolution @ 4:3 and lossless zoom.
Last week there was heavy flood near my office, I was able to capture full resolution and crop with amazing detail, and when using 3MP, I was able to zoom really far and the image capture detail is still very good.
When I share it among my colleagues, they were amazed and those that didn't know I have the PureView, actually asked whether I brought my camera to capture it.

I tried taking it with the S3, without zoom, when crop, it looks like CCTV low res video footage. That's not so bad yet, when I use digital zoom, that's when it gets REALLY bad...

So, I must say, the 808 PureView is very a unique camera smartphone! Really appreciate the high megapixel with good detail captured and the amazing lossless zoom (if you compared with another phone camera digital zoom, Gosh, the difference is just,... too far apart!)

Not an exact comparison, but see how bad the S3 when using Digital Zoom...

S3 (8MP, Digital Zoom, 100% Crop and resize down 70%):


808 (3.1MP PureView Full Zoom, 100% Crop):


This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 5 2012, 02:33 PM

Supposedly Phase 2 should be Phase 1 technology + Optical Stabilizer, but due to the adoption of Windows Phone OS with it's restrictions and rushing to introduce a Lumia Pureview, it has to drop Phase 1 out.
Just imagine if they were able to actually introduce a real Phase 2 (which means Phase 1 + Optical Stabilizastion) instead of a NEW Phase.......

On side note, I doubt they can focus back on Symbian after what they done to the entire team.
Also can Symbian catch up.

Hack? I thought it's officially available for Windows Phone 8, as their built in Maps.
Only Nokia Drive is Nokia exclusive... FOR NOW...
Or do you mean they hack Nokia Drive? If yes, nothing to be surprised of, it's bound to happen.

Try go to Messaging settings, switch your messaging to SIM Messages?

Thanks to the decision to adopt Windows Phone and make it their primary and only smartphone OS.

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Added on November 26, 2012, 10:55 amSadly, there isn't much apps, actually there's very little especially some older Symbian Apps and Games still not available for 808 PureView.

So, if you're into Apps & Games, 808 will not be a good choice.
It's my second phone, so I mainly use it for the camera purpose only (and sometimes GPS backup Nokia Maps/Waze and also CuteTube =P).

This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 26 2012, 10:55 AM

L920 depends what photo you take, if foods, or those still subject, you should feel and see big improvements, but if you're taking your kids or moving subjects, Don't matter what SUPER OIS, it's not gonna help. But for Video, it'll be a plus, but then if you use OIS during video and you shake, you may notice wobble effect on the video and also distortion or some sort.

Next 808? Now sure what will happen since Damian Dining already left. Plus, it also depend highly on what Windows Phone can offer.
If PureView Phase 2 is actually running on Symbian, most likely it will have Phase 1 included.
If it's running on Android, maybe it's possible as well, or at least something better than Windows Phone.
If they just had kept Maemo/MeeGo, it would've gone much further. Just look at what N900 can do FCam, despite it having a 5MP sensor.

ADDED:
Here's a comparison done for L920 against SIII and iPhone5, although not really a proper comparison but think of it as regular user taking these shots. Just as I predicted, actions shot it's practically useless, but in lowlight/dark areas, is where it excels.

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-920-p...s-iii-01255193/

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-lumia-920-p...one-5-05255660/

This post has been edited by Andy214: Nov 29 2012, 12:16 PM

Just imagine if 808 running of Maemo/MeeGo, or future PureView on Maemo/MeeGo with Phase I + Phase 2 + Phase 3.
And we have FCam....

LoL, N8 blows L920 out of water.

As for 808 comparison, they forgot the main strength of 808, the 38MP file or the lossless zoom.
They compare lowlight with static object which is the strength of L920 due to it's Optical Stabilizer, so of course it will be better than 808 because it's able to use slow shutter hand held. If 808 is on tripod and able to use similar exposure, then we'll see which can actually take better overall quality picture.
The main strength of 808 is the extremely high megapixel picture (38MP) or we can use lossless zoom, when you use PureView 3MP mode, you can zoom in quite a lot and yet getting true 3MP with amazing detail, try that with other phone cameras and see, you'll be shocked by the BIG difference.

Nah, it's not bad, just not as expected from the "next" PureView.

As for the phone, it depends on the users; Most people main concern are apps/games, the eco-system, then the OS stability and speed (it doesn't have to be the fastest, although some people can be very particular like open contacts took 0.2 seconds longer than XXX OS )

As long Windows Phone brings in most of the important demanding apps, and with good price, it will start gain more users; but then, they forgot that some people purchase and spend a lot of money on Apple Store or Google Playstore. Switching platform may not be a good choice, imagine they have to repurchase all again? Unless MS or Nokia can do something about it, this can be also one major key point.
Nokia itself already done something bad, those who actually purchase apps/games in their Symbian devices especially, all burned... (ooohhh, burning platform)


Cool! Nokia Malaysia got it already? Or you get from oversea site?

How come your Note2 so cheap?

But plan should be more cheap wo

Huh? Less or equal? L820? How you compare less or equal? Hardware?

Well, both OS are very different, one is a locked down simple OS, another is a flexible, customizable OS; it's not really fair to compare.
Comparing both OS, in terms of stability, smoothness, speed, WP surely wins, but it's restricted, little customization, etc. Both are very different in fact, WP is more toward iOS style but less restricted, more flexible and more customizable, more lively.

If comparing price, all OS have it's own value, and it also depends on the user. So, to Mr. A maybe they feel all OS are the same, and which one is faster means better, but to Mr. B, he maybe looking for a proper smartphone, a true mobile computer OS, in this case, it will be different story.

But anyway, there's no right or wrong, as long as the person is satisfied with the device. In terms of hardware and classification of the device though, the L820 should be mid-range which should be below S3, L920 should be the more proper competitor against S3.
Just like cars, there is different category and classifications, like B Segment, C Segment, D Segment. New generation cars are bigger, but it's still the same category/segment.

Yes, should be RRP price, and RRP for S3 when launch is RM2199?

As long as it's popular, the price should be able to maintain and won't drop like crazy like the previous Lumias. The previous Lumia mainly due to WP7 and also the announcement that it cannot be upgraded to WP8.

There're many factors, but technicals aside, to make it simple.
If you create something SIMPLE, it will surely be easy to manage, smooth, fast, etc.
Imagine if there is a BIG concert, but there is ONLY ONE entrance, in terms of security and controls, it's very easy to control and you don't to hire many people (manpower and resources). If you open MANY doors, you need to have more security, more manpower and resources, you need to control and manage, update the list, sooo many more things and it's much more harder to coordinate and communicate.

In terms of OS, to make it simple, we use Windows as sample and imagine you're in IT department which controls user's priviledge, accounts, networks, etc. If you control strictly the each user account, means give them a very restricted and limited account priviledge so they cannot install software, they only allow to run and use "allowed" applications, they can only access certain folders/drives, they can only see certain file types, etc. The more strict and limitations you provide, the easier to control your user and less problems.
But would you want to use such computer as your personal computer at home???

Not sure, but those skin also don't do much because Windows Phone is using tiles which is controlled and restricted, unlike Widgets on Symbian, Android.
Windows Mobile is different from Windows Phone, Windows Mobile have proper homescreen and more flexible and less restricted.

As for your personal computer, it's depends on how each person use, understanding, RESPONSIBILITY, etc. A proper smartphone, which suppose to work like a mobile computer, will give flexibility, customizations, and this is important for the user to know, understand and be responsible.
Of course, nowadays PC are fast, powerful; Imagine those old days, how many user will complain the PC are slow and laggy, crash, etc, worst when many user are NEW to computer, and very impatience, they will bang the mouse, bang the keyboard, kick the CPU, etc. Imagine those days without even Streamyx, using dial-ups only, how those people bear with the internet speed? I used to play online games with dial-ups, Strategy Games still OK, imagine racing games, the cars will dissapear and reappear, etc. For those people who don't understand, impatience and just don't care, will complain to the max, which won't help or fix anything.

We have many choices now, go for the device/OS which suit your needs.
As example, don't get a "fuel-saving car" and try to race/speed like sports performance car, then complain the car has no power and not fuel saving. Similarly, if one gets a performance sports car, no point complain the car fuel consumption is higher than normal car.

For me, I don't need super smooth/fast smartphone. That's not the important thing for smartphone, smartphone is about mobile computing in a phone. smooth/fast is GOOD to have, but most important it it's able to provide me the flexibility, customization or like a mini computer. It's not a must to have like 0.5 seconds faster when opening Contacts, it's a NICE to have, but not a must. I would prefer to have the flexibility and customization, instead of being controlled and restricted. Imagine buying a entry level DSLR, but you cannot access manual mode.....

It depends on each user/customer, some don't need those flexibility/customization, hence there're different OS choice to suit different user needs; The problem here is, these flexiblity/customization is not something the OS cannot give/provide, is the company decides NOT to give to the customers/users, so in short, we're being short-changed, just like I said, imagine a entry level DSLR, and they remove the manual mode because they want to restrict and control the users. Imagine they come out with different versions of Windows OS for PC/Laptop, and default version they give with limitations and restrictions, you cannot see all files, you cannot simply install applications, etc. so now they can reduce "user issues".


This post has been edited by Andy214: Dec 17 2012, 12:55 PM

Yup, minimal is normal, or like acceptable performance/speed at least. As a user, the user should also know how to utilize and be responsible, it's the same theory to any products, if the person upgrades to a sports car, the person needs to know how to handle and utilize it, accept the harder ride (less comfort) to sacrifice for better handling, higher fuel consumption, etc. In terms of camera example, if one upgrade to a DSLR with bigger sensor, one needs to understand the changes in DOF, using and framing with the viewfinder, difference in auto-focus, lens, apertures, etc.

Let's say iOS, it's very restricted and limited, no homescreen, no file manager, not allowed to view other files types, everything goes through iTunes, no flexibility/customization and very simple/straightforward for the user. It's good for users to pickup and learn, but there's no room for them to improve and they will forever stuck and rely on these features and never thought they can actually do this or that with a real smartphone. With this mindset, when they see other smartphone which is more capable, flexible and customizable, it looks "complicated", "scary", "hard to learn and use". If a user use a simple camera without much buttons or dial, just point and shoot, it's simple and easy to use right? Pass them a DSLR with all buttons, modes, multiple dials, complex menu, lenses, etc. It "complicated" ,"scary", "hard to learn and use". But... actually, both can still use AUTO mode.

Hehe, all depends on each user, their needs and what they want. As long as the person buy thing that fit his/her needs or requirement, not buy because other people say it's good (which is pretty common, then after buy, if it doesn't satisfy them, they will complain this and that, right?).

Cannot, later all blur shots come out because optical stabilization only for slight hand/camera shake, not for moving subject or "action" scene