Yup lucky didn't end up as prototype. The 808 help make Nokia famous and set another record in camera phone history.

Actually, I believe those features like Shutter Priority can be implemented easily for them because they have all the access to the core of the OS codes. For 3rd party app, in easier to understand way, they may not be able to provide this function because they the original camera function or the coding already don't have this provided to those 3rd party app to access, so they can only access to what already available only. Those 3rd party app that offer "shutter speed", could be not a direct approach. For example, if you choose shutter speed of 1/125, the app will try to simulate what ISO to use so the camera will use shutter speed of 1/125 and choose the ISO, maybe that's why it won't always work.
For Nokia, they have access to the base source code and all the camera hardware and software, they can easily do it.
For N900/Maemo, it's a very open OS, and people was able to make changes to it more easily at base level.

WP7 was not that good with many limitations. WP8 is much better, so it will be nice to have proper PureView.
The best thing about WP for me is the Social Networks Integration.


This post has been edited by Andy214: May 8 2013, 03:44 PM

Hopefully your are right on that, i would like to see this happen, as many of us do. This will even the cameraphone capable on tackling some difficult situations when flash was restricted and shutter priority are high.

Bro, u do have a N900 rite? can request some shots from the camera ah? now Im interested on seing some shots from shutter priorities wan, mayb some cars/plane/birds(haha...izit possible?) Not for the sake of the quality, is just for the right shot to take at the right moment feel. If canot nvmd ya

Maemo is the only OS that i didn't have a chance to play around.. sigh...

will the price of 808 drop further from 999 after the release of EOS?

Yup, still have it using but at home. Will try to share some sample here.
But what others play with last time is suing long exposure, but the slowest shutter it can go is 1 second. So, those N900 owners used to play with those "effects" like air drawing with light, or capturing trail of lights, etc. For camera phones without shutter speed control can achieve this as well by adjusting the settings (even using ND filters or sunglass) to force the camera use the slowest shutter possible. The fun part of FCam is unlocking more controls over the camera, which makes photography more fun, even the camera itself is not very good, but because of the controls we have, it makes the difference.

I selalu nampak apa yang orang susah nak nampak.. I dunno.. I'm gifted ahahahahahha

they achieve 41mp into a phone makes the whole world stumped! even the DSLR fans were fascinated by it, Samseng dan Apeshit tak payah cakap lah.. semua suka nafikan kehebatan 41mp ini ahaaa

since I got my hands on L920, its ISO settings/shutter speed combinations are waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more complicated than 808.. f2.0 good lah but putting higher ISO in the night makes the shutter speed slower!! but low ISO in night produces the same shutter speed, only dimmer photos.. no options to off the damn frustating shutter speed.. but no weird noise is presence, and I like that!!

its pointless the issue here lies in nokia and not the devices. Nokia do not have full commitment in their devices if you notice they dont plan ahead on how to push the devices limit but end up limiting it.

Even Samseng sux they still have a proper pattern to follow

S1 ---> 1 year later ----> S2 -----> 1 year later S3--------> 1 year later S4

There a pattern and improvement we can see

while nokia lumia 900 come out -------> 4months later --------> lumia 920 --------> 5months later maybe ------> lumia 930. The biggest joke is its heck of expensive and the price can drop within few months.

The problem here nokia do not focus and design their flagship.

a very desperate marketing maybe?

Thanks to the OIS. Can it be turned off? Because OIS, the "auto-intelligent" camera of L920 try to be smart to use slower shutter.
This is OK if you're shooting still subject, no complains, very good indeed.

I guess it's still not stable and they don't have something good to sell. See L920, and the new L928... L928 is more or less the same like L920.... using PureView OIS technology only. And both running Windows Phone OS, both are really not much different unlike Androids, there will be different looking theme/UI for the different versions at least.

Sadly, the CEO remains stubborn to stick to only Windows Phone OS despite the shareholder hints or adopting Android OS.

nokia should just get out of the phone business with the pureview stuff and do a dedicated camera.

latest nokia promo for a new lumia...no mention at all on the phone

Sifu, my statement is there:

"808 served well as the last Symbian pioneer, out of the 5 years on making the PV project, 1 or 2 of the recent years Nokia has done a deal with MS, so im glad this phone not end up as a prototype. And as fated, most of the tech will move to their MS product, rather than focusing on Symbian"

I was mentioning Nokia not the device itself all the time, Im not sure which point i mentioned doesn't reflect to them. The reason i said that is because we know once Nokia has alliances with MS, no longer they will focus on Symbian (Not on hardware or software). Period. So how to push to the limit when there is no more people involve on Symbian? even apps developer already long gone...And Guru Damian..

Yes, i c how Sammy doing their flagship (and they do mean flagship as they topped their flagship every year), But when you are comparing some company who owns every component of the phone, we are way out of our league to compare. Nokia might look big on phone industry now, but Sammy is huge on all sorts of electronics industry. And they do not have to worry about the OS (applies to Sony, Moto, HTC...) Unlike Nokia, they have to work closely to MS, even on product launch date (Remember L920?)

Flagship is not always being about topping the device on all aspect every year(i can see Sammy is breaking the rules here, for now). Nokia acquire camera industry tech not for nothing. Until then we just see tomorrow what Nokia have to offer

I agree with Andy's statement on this, They currently have nothing much to offer, and they have to force some improper "flagship" to tease the market 1st. Since Windows Phone OS not able to steal the show, they have to rely on PureView Badge to do so.

This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 13 2013, 04:17 PM

btw one thing that really bugs me about the 808 is touchscreen sensitivity at the edges.

Reli? hmm... seldom face such problem, u mean on camera interface where it might mis-press some other options come out?

nah, like when editing sms etc.
everytime i want to press at the beginning of a first word on the left edge, the cursor always end up on the 2nd letter.
its the same for the right edge also.
takes a few tries to land the cursor right on the edge.

i get what u mean now, paiseh... i think is due to the sms interface which was too edge to the corner screen. It is hard to register the cursor precise on the left edge corner. If the text input corner are nested within a box (a few mm inwards). I think it will be better, and fp2 cursor sucks.. i rather exchange d smiley with cursors. Still, aint reli complaining coz i do have large thumbs ....

ya, but of cos not only sms la.
any textbox that opens up is the same, like thru opera.

i dont think its interface, it feels more like not calibrated properly at the edges...cos eg. samsung dont have this issue.
also doesnt help that 808 has no option to calibrate the screen yourself.

After testing with 2 andriod phones (lenovo s890 and samsung galaxy s advance) my experiences as follows:
Lenovo s890 : superb precision, never have any issue from any part on right to the left edge. (i think large screen got its advantages here, wild guess)
Galaxy S Advance : before calibration, hit rate is like 50%, after calibration 60%, but i think is due to my large thumb oso..haha

Im do not own any andriod phones, so nid to borrow for testing~

My conclusion: kindly refer to the blue triangle indicated on each phone model's keyboard, im not sure izit every android keyboard layout was different. For Lenovo S890 & Galaxy S adv, there are some gaps there, but in 808, there was actually the least gap from the screen edge (not from bezel) So Im suprised i still get 50% hit despite of how my thumb is going to squeeze in that space for fp2 keyboard , although i still think it might be the interface design issue, but dont take my word for it, as i yet to test all of the android phones...



This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 13 2013, 10:13 PM

yea, like i mention also...the drawback also is u cannot calibrate the 808 yurself.

anyway that FP2 keyboard is on new msg only right.
apart from that, replying to msg, using notes, etc...this is how it should look like...and the cursor to the edge is the same as on my SGS2...both at 2.5mm.
so same distance, but the 808 sensitivity at the edges isnt that good.


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Anyone know how to transfer whatsapp messages from symbian to android? Can't seem to find any..

This is how my 808 reacts.. tested on 1 hand while looking at N8 screen during recording session on the other hand (not looking at 808)

Mind my thumb~haha

I do not get much andriod experience as im the only one not using andriod in my community...sorry

This is just a simulation test, i think in actual the hit rate might be lower, since im using N8 as my primary (and still learning how to get used to FP1 QWERTY, my hit rates was reli low )

Note: i aint texter, so im slow on typing on touchscreens, miss my n97mini keyboard

This post has been edited by realjazzcoke: May 14 2013, 10:40 AM

ah k...my kb i use the swype one since i dont really 'type'.
so another thing that bugs me...sometimes when i hit space bar...it somehow detects it as the 'right arrow' below it...and the cursor jumps to the beginning...
and i cant tell if this is another calibration issue or software...